Episode Discussion: TFGH

[TeeVee329]

How?

 

She was basically prodding him to admit that he did have feelings for her and was badgering him to stay.

[sometimesfan]

She was basically prodding him to admit that he did have feelings for her and was badgering him to stay.

 

I'd want to know myself, but I never had problems with salt.  ;)

Edited December 29, 2014 by sometimesfan

[Chairperson Meow]

Dude, Silas and Sam took up too much of my time for it to be a rebound. It had to be more than that. Because damn.

I need more Johnny Z. I wonder who cleans Duke's tea set. Does he live at Sonny's house? Is there tea time at the Corinthos Manor? Why do I care? Oh because this show got boring in one month.

[HeatLifer]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've had problems with how it's been written (mostly Patrick being a dick about Robin problems), but I'm vastly more entertained by them than Sam/Silas and Patrick/Sabrina.

Yep, I totally get you. It's the writing. It's Patrick's non-caring about Robin and Robin being held captive that ruins it for me. I'm mad the show didn't give me a chance to fully be on board with Samtrick. Didn't have to be that way.

[Lillybee]

Anna's hair almost achieved original Kate Howard's level of perfection.

[sometimesfan]

Dude, Silas and Sam took up too much of my time for it to be a rebound. It had to be more than that. Because damn.

I need more Johnny Z. I wonder who cleans Duke's tea set. Does he live at Sonny's house? Is there tea time at the Corinthos Manor? Why do I care? Oh because this show got boring in one month.

 

It always seemed like a rebound, I'm glad the writing finally acknowledges it. 

Anna's hair almost achieved original Kate Howard's level of perfection.

 

I thought her hair looked great too. She looked younger!

[ulkis]

There was no Franco, Sonny, Kiki, Silas, Carly, or Nina. I think that's like a record! Usually one of those 5 is in the mix.

 

 

I don't think Silas is on that much, in fact I was thinking today how he hardly seems to be on very much.

 

 

This is true, but to me, it's hard not to think of Silas as part of the Howarth/Alderson/Easton "you WILL like them, damn it" package, so whenever he pops up it's like I feel Kiki and Franco just around the corner. Sorry, Silas/Easton! Not his fault but there it is. I don't hate him at all these days though.

 

Dude, Silas and Sam took up too much of my time for it to be a rebound. It had to be more than that. Because damn.

 

It took too long to be a rebound if the previous relationship we're talking about is the Sam and McBain one. If it's the Jason/Sam one, then Sam and Silas are totally a rebound imo.

[backhometome]

Nathan and Maxie seem so juvenile. Maybe its because Maxie acts like a high school teenager than her actual age.

 

Sam/Patrick are pretty to look at. I like them much more than the borefest that was Silas/Sam. And Sabrina/Patrick.

 

Does Lulu have an actual purpose on the show besides being a sounding board to Dante and Maxie. Its hard to believe this is the daughter of Luke/Laura.

 

Liz and Jake are so damn boring. Did Piph really send her home from work to deal with her man troubles. JFC.

[ulkis]

Does Lulu have an actual purpose on the show besides being a sounding board to Dante and Maxie. 

 

I'll take this kind of sounding board stuff over being sexually menaced by Stavros. Or, like you said, acting empty-headed like Maxie.

Edited December 29, 2014 by ulkis

[jsbt]

I think that Ron and Tony were hell bent on Fluke being Bill but when too many people not only figured it out but called Ron on how out of character that would be for Bill, they began to scramble. Tony's illness and Ron's inability to write around it made it worse

 

That had nothing to do with the audience figuring it out - that was because TG had a serious medical issue and has been laid up for months. I am willing to lay money down that whoever Fluke is, it has never changed. Unless he has absolutely zero choice, RC takes great pride in many of his long, long plays on certain story points - he will never give them up no matter how tiresome the storytelling pace becomes for the audience, no matter how many teases and fakeouts he must do. Fluke is one such case. He has reset the entire story a year in just so he can go back to the start and "do it right" now that Geary has returned. I will bet hard cash that the identity of Fluke has never changed and that it is Bill Eckert. In fact, given the Ashton/Faison/Barrett connections I am 99.9% positive.

[Fylaki]

 

I will bet hard cash that the identity of Fluke has never changed and that it is Bill Eckert. In fact, given the Ashton/Faison/Barrett connections I am 99.9% positive.

See this is why I say it is not...too many things pointing to it...I think it is Damian Smith with Plastic surgery or an outside shot at Harlan Barrett

[tvgoddess]

 

Not a bad episode. There was no Franco, Sonny, Kiki, Silas, Carly, or Nina. I think that's like a record! Usually one of those 5 is in the mix.

 

While grateful to get a break from these Dreaded Six, I thought the episode was boring. Jordan and Anna were good, but the rest was a giant steaming pile of meh.

[FilmTVGeek80]

 

 

'Cause if I turn off the part of my brain that thinks Patty is a dick and the story makes NO sense, and damn, it makes NO sense, Samtrick are cool and pretty and have enough chemistry to make it work. I see why people like them.

 

Unfortunately for me, them looking pretty together doesn't help me because I think they have nice friendship chemistry, but no romantic chemistry. And their kisses leave me feeling nothing, except thinking of seen more passionate kissing on a Saved By the Bell episode. I definitely preferred Sam/Silas.

 

 

Sam bit Patty's lip today. Would love to know if that was in the script because, yeah, KeMo is totally putting some extra-ness in every scene with JT, whereas I don't think he is.

 

She might have been trying to keep herself awake by biting his lip. Lord knows, I sometimes wonder if one or both have them have lapsed into a coma in the middle of their kisses.

[mybabyaidan]

I swear, if one more fucking person tries to SHAME Anna over locking Faison up, I will root for her to burn the whole damn town to the ground.

 

This man has tortured her for half her damn life.  She should have shoved the psycho in a hole, buried him, and called it a day and the whole town should have thrown her a parade.  She has a lot more restraint than most people.

 

I was REALLY hoping Julian would have opted not to kill Jordan on his own, and not because of threats.  I am not liking where this story is headed.

[HeatLifer]

Unfortunately for me, them looking pretty together doesn't help me because I think they have nice friendship chemistry, but no romantic chemistry. And their kisses leave me feeling nothing, except thinking of seen more passionate kissing on a Saved By the Bell episode. I definitely preferred Sam/Silas.

She might have been trying to keep herself awake by biting his lip. Lord knows, I sometimes wonder if one or both have them have lapsed into a coma in the middle of their kisses.

Don't get me wrong. I think they have enough chemistry; just like I think most of the couples on this show have enough. Like, OK, I'll deal with this...I see why they're appealing. But they're light years away from having JT/KMc chemistry or even the chemistry KeMo and ME had years ago. Edited December 29, 2014 by HeatLifer

[hypnotoad]

 

Fuck you Julian. You can pull a gun on Jordan but you can't shoot Fluke? Idiot.

 

But Fluke is threatening Julian's family! How could shooting and killing Fluke stop that?!? Oh wait ....

 

 

I swear, if one more fucking person tries to SHAME Anna over locking Faison up, I will root for her to burn the whole damn town to the ground

 

Right? That crap is so tiresome. Sure RC the whole audience will believe Anna is a monster for her actions! She's really the bad guy not all the mobsters and serial killer! She no better than them now! Get the fuck out of here with this nonsense.

Edited December 30, 2014 by hypnotoad

[shadowpup]

I swear, if one more fucking person tries to SHAME Anna over locking Faison up, I will root for her to burn the whole damn town to the ground.

 

This man has tortured her for half her damn life.  She should have shoved the psycho in a hole, buried him, and called it a day and the whole town should have thrown her a parade.  She has a lot more restraint than most people.

[jennifer6973]

I need to acknowledge the House of Rage and Laundry. Lol. Didn't that come from Liz and Nik and "rutting like farm animals "? I do wish Billy Miller was Lucky or super younger AJ or a secret AJ kid. He would own that line like a mofo. Like, I don't even hate Liz. But that's a fav nickname.

!

 

 

Actually I think Jason bought the house for her, or she bought it and Jason paid off the mortgage and gave her some extra money that she lost on a bad stock deal, as a good gesture after having Jake.

[sunnyface]

Today's episode was a total waste of time.  Once again we are entrenched in a pattern of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENING.

 

 

FH seemed to be enjoying herself (well at least her eyeballs seemed to be doing some dancin).  Frisco gets redeemed.  Nathan looked excited to remember his lines.  The wallpaper in Maxie's apartment didn't go so well with her lipstick.  There seemed to be just as much space in the rundown motel than at the hospital.

Y'all can have at it with the mob and guns. 

 

Dear Writers:

Jane Elliot, Tony Geary and Derivatives.  Bravo!

[Tiger]

Anna's hair almost achieved original Kate Howard's level of perfection.

First, as far as I'm concerned MWa was the one and only Kate Howard. KSu's character was just some whacko who thought she was Kate. See, Ron isn't the only one who can pick and chose which history to use.

Second, I think Fin's cut is even better than Megan's 'bringing peace to the Middle East' bob. It's like hair porn. Frank need to send the entire cast to whoever is doing her hair.

[CPP83]

When I see Patrick and Sam "bonding" all I can think of is how Ron is already rubbing his hands together gleefully as he prepares to blow their lives all to hell when Jason is finally revealed and whenever Robin is allowed to fly back in from Paris to get dragged into all that worthless nonsense as well.

 

I'm not watching a couple blooming naturally, all I can see are the plot holes.

 

Ron has put the pedal to the medal on this supposed relationship so he can have that mighty explosion detonate, he doesn't seem to want very many couples to have steady, long term relationships, he wants fire works and complete melt downs and total WTELF moments that are so impossible to believe or comprehend you're left gobsmacked for weeks.

 

I just think that no couple really at this point feels very organic. I see more that the couples are put together for the sake of the script writing than the other way around, which to me is the only way the real magic can happen.

 

Ron and company write a whole bunch of crap and then suddenly couples are born from the mire as unholy and wretched add-ons.

[HeatLifer]

I'm trying to think of a couple that's not currently dealing with a plot point and I always go back to the same couples: Mac/Felicia (rarely on-screen), Molly/TJ (rarely on-screen), Dante/Lulu (like to talk on cellphones).

Every other couple or pairing is all about the shitstorm coming.

Edited December 30, 2014 by HeatLifer

[Turtle]

Yay, more mob stuff that I do not care about at all!  It just occurred to me that I don't have any idea how many "mobs" there are on this show.  I suppose I should draw up some Venn diagrams to figure it all out, because lord knows there is some crazy and nonsensical overlap.  There's Fake Luke's mob, which may or not overlap with Helena's mob and / or Julian's mob, all of which seem to have some relationship to Sonny & Duke's mob, plus there's Johnny's mob which also overlaps with several of those in some way or another.  Am I missing any "mobs"?  This is so dumb that it hurts.

 

I'm still enjoying the Nathan/ Maxie stuff, because to me it seems like old-timey romance hijinks, and because it's not mob-related at all.  I think they're fun, and it's nice to have relationship conflict that doesn't involve murder or rape or kidnapping or betraaaayyyyaaalll.  

 

I usually don't mind Liz, and have even been known to defend her on occasion, but today she was infuriating.  She must know that Ric wants to spend NYE with her, and yet she insists that Jake also spend NYE with her?  Even though he's expressed that getting involved may not be the best idea and was trying to back out graciously?  It drove me nuts because it seemed like she was intentionally setting up it to spend the holiday with two men who are interested in each other, without any regard for how uncomfortable that will be for *them*.  I have no problem with her not being able to immediately choose between the two, as lots of people date a couple of people at a time until they figure out which relationship is best for them, but forcing the two guys to awkwardly spend time with her and each other is uncool.  

 

Oh, also - did any of see this?  http://blindgossip.com/?p=68496#more-68496

Edited December 30, 2014 by Turtle

[TeeVee329]

I'm trying to think of a couple that's not currently dealing with a plot point and I always go back to the same couples: Mac/Felicia (rarely on-screen), Molly/TJ (rarely on-screen), Dante/Lulu (like to talk on cellphones).

 

Lucas/Brad (who?).

[HeatLifer]

Lucas/Brad (who?).

Dammit, I keep forgetting them! Because they're never on-screen!!!

Edited December 30, 2014 by HeatLifer

[TeeVee329]

Oh, and how can we forget the sizzling supercouple of Piph and Milo (who?  why?)!

[boes]

Hmmmm, today's episode, what to say, what to say......

 

Anna's nemesis had a dye job, I see.  He's just as big a douche with darker hair as he was with a lighter shade.  Cept not was big a one as Duke.  He deserves Lucy.  I hope his kilt rides up on their date, and I hope she swallows her own hair.  Duke laughs like he swallowed his tongue.

Anna can dance on their graves.

 

Luke is just tiresome.   He looks far more like an ad for Flomax than a big bad moobster.  Though god knows he's flatulent enough to be Sonny and Duke's company.

 

Spinelli is still annoying - but he's not as bad as half of the ones still on the show.  NEVER thought I'd say that.

 

I know a lot of folks like Jordan but I don't care about her.  She's another clog in the moobster mess, and she's attracted to that slab of ham called Shawn.  I wish Julian had shot her.

 

Sam and Patrick make as much sense as Monica and Spencer, just not as attractive a couple.

Edited December 30, 2014 by boes

[CPP83]

I'm trying to think of a couple that's not currently dealing with a plot point and I always go back to the same couples: Mac/Felicia (rarely on-screen), Molly/TJ (rarely on-screen), Dante/Lulu (like to talk on cellphones).

Every other couple or pairing is all about the shitstorm coming.

 

 

Giant unnamed baby and her bottle? I mean really, try and separate those two and you'll probably lose an arm.

 

 

 

Lucas/Brad (who?).

 

 

Huh? Never heard of them before...

 

 

 

Oh, and how can we forget the sizzling supercouple of Piph and Milo (who?  why?)!

 

 

When? How?

 

Oh and Max and Diane surely go on double dates with them.

 

 

Anna's nemesis had a dye job, I see.  He's just as big a douche with darker hair as he was with a lighter shade.  Cept not was big a one as Duke.  He deserves Lucy.  I hope his kilt rides up on their date, and I hope she swallows her own hair.  Duke laughs like he swallowed his tongue.

Anna can dance on their graves

 

 

 

Dance lady dance!

 

That idiot agent is useless. The actor is no good and the character stinks to high heaven.

Edited December 30, 2014 by CPP83

[Turtle]

I know a lot of folks like Jordan but I don't care about her.  She's another clog in the moobster mess, and she's attracted to that slab of ham called Shawn.  I wish Julian had shot her.​

 

I don't know that I wish her dead, but I wouldn't mind if she left town with Shawn and never showed her face again.  She never did much for me, and her character has only slid drastically downhill, as far as I'm concerned.  

[HeatLifer]

Sam and Patrick make as much sense as Monica and Spencer, just not as attractive a couple.

LOLs. But seriously. I have to pretend like I've never watched the show before to get through their scenes. It's much better that way.

[ulkis]

Yay, more mob stuff that I do not care about at all!  It just occurred to me that I don't have any idea how many "mobs" there are on this show.  I suppose I should draw up some Venn diagrams to figure it all out, because lord knows there is some crazy and nonsensical overlap.  There's Fake Luke's mob, which may or not overlap with Helena's mob and / or Julian's mob, all of which seem to have some relationship to Sonny & Duke's mob, plus there's Johnny's mob which also overlaps with several of those in some way or another.  Am I missing any "mobs"?  This is so dumb that it hurts.

 

I'm still enjoying the Nathan/ Maxie stuff, because to me it seems like old-timey romance hijinks, and because it's not mob-related at all.  I think they're fun, and it's nice to have relationship conflict that doesn't involve murder or rape or kidnapping or betraaaayyyyaaalll.  

 

I would like them okay if he didn't stink so much imo. I don't know, someone pointed out that his deep voice made him seem more robotic than he actually is and maybe that's it.

 

Every other couple or pairing is all about the shitstorm coming.

 

 

I don't think Naxie is, but they haven't even had sex yet, so as soon as they do that then some disaster will probably strike.

 

Molly and TJ haven't had sex yet, right?

[CPP83]

Molly and TJ haven't had sex yet, right?

 

 

 

I don't believe so, at least they dropped the conversation after mentioning "condoms" one billion times back when Alexis caught them at the Metro Court. I think they decided to "wait".

 

I was glad to see them drop it especially since the actress playing Molly is still very much underage and the TJ actor is a young adult.

 

 

I don't think Naxie is, but they haven't even had sex yet, so as soon as they do that then some disaster will probably strike.

 

 

 

It'll probably have something to do with the Nina. She won't like that Maxie is taking her "Jay" away from her.

Edited December 30, 2014 by CPP83

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Spinelli is 'saddled' with raising his own child???? The horrors! <sarc>

 

I meant that Maxie is being financially supported by Mac and Felicia, while Spinelli is raising their daughter. Maxie shrugs off adult responsibilities wherever she can. Very immature. Additionally, her go-to "emotion" when thwarted is a childish temper tantrum at:

 

• the weather (as she jerks the curtains nearly off their hooks)
• the airlines (who have the gall to cancel flights to protect the flying public)
• coincidence (she and Nathan trying to surprise each other and missing each other in consequence)
• boring people who are in the way

 

I'm sorry, my go-to emotional response to Maxie would be a well-placed bitchslap that would smudge her already messy lipstick. Then, to bed without supper, grounding for a week, and loss of allowance. Multiple prom dresses would need to be pared down to one; the rest would go to Goodwill. No usage of the cell phone and texting after 10 PM. Forbidden to talk with bestie Lulu, who has an equally empty head.

[DayPlayerAtKellys]

I have to agree that Maxie/Ryan (whom I enjoy more and more all the time) are enjoying an old school romantic story and it's refreshing. Keep 'em together and keep 'em in trouble and on the go like Felicia/Frisco and Anna/Robert/Holly/Luke .... but the timey wimey airplane stuff is making my head hurt. Was good to see Spinelli again even if he was just a 'talk to'. Surprisingly, I actually realized that I missed him. But Spinelli can only return to PC if he brings Ellie (cuz she's the best; her reactions at Big Dramatic Soap Events were priceless).

 

Killing Jordan would "start" a mob war with the Corinthos organization? I thought the Jeromes were already in a mob war with the Corinthos organization. Isn't that the whole point of Julian's return in 2013? Or have the characters lost interest like the viewers have?

 

Dear Jason - damn, that snow shoveling must really have paid well for you to be able to afford to move out of Liz's house. I need to change careers (or, at least it needs to snow in NYC some day)

 

I feel that the news that the Metro Court was redesigned/repainted warranted more conversation than that Frisco is the new head of the WSB, but whatevs.

 

I want to fast forward to February when, hopefully, the Fluke story will wrap up. I am with you Jordan, I 'just want this to end'. In the meantime, writers, having more TJ on screen in the coming weeks will make the "Jordan is DEA" reveal have a greater impact (because we won't be going.. who is TJ? since he's on only for a few minutes every few weeks).

Edited December 30, 2014 by DayPlayerAtKellys

[Box305]

 

I feel that the news that the Metro Court was redesigned/repainted warranted more conversation than that Frisco is the new head of the WSB, but whatevs.

 

The Metro Court was repainted weeks ago. 

[Cattitude]

Okay so today was lame. Even my det Special Kitty couldn't cut it, but his ralph lauren shirt is awesome.

 

Fluke/Luke or who ever someone please kill him with fire!

 

Liz and Jakeson seriously have zero chemistry and make both look like fools.

 

Patrick and Sam, just seem so staged and all the anvils with Jakeson and his "possible" family, yah that's going to blow them all to hell.

 

I hope the new year picks up for PC. STAT!

[CPP83]

The Metro Court was repainted weeks ago. 

 

 

The gray on gray with gray and a hint of gray with that surprising splash of black, really I don't know where they got the gall to take such a risk with the colour choices...

[loveigniting]

I am embarrassed that I watch a show where a grown woman is written to call another grown woman 'Boobie'

[OnceSane]

I am embarrassed that I watch a show where a grown woman is written to call another grown woman 'Boobie'

I'm embarrassed I still watch this show for many reasons…"Boobie" doesn't even rank in the top 50. Why do I do this to myself? I must be a glutton for punishment.

So many questions,.so much stupidity.

Why would killing Jordan cue a mob war? Aren't they already at war? And who goes to war over a mid-level (at best) drug dealer? Yeah, Jordan's hot, but Helen of Troy she ain't.

Why must Fluke still be around? Where's Dr. O and a parapet when you need them?

Why is Toonces the Cat Scottish? Why is Lucy? Seriously, woman, you want a man to adore only you, but when you had that you fucked Scott behind his back.

Why is Liz so thirsty for Jakeson when she and Ric plan to ring each other's bells through the new year?

Why should I care about Sam/Patrick when Jason anvils are falling harder than Carly when Rock did us all a favor?

Who do I have to [insert obligatory sex act here] to get a new head writer?

[yowsah1]

This is true, but to me, it's hard not to think of Silas as part of the Howarth/Alderson/Easton "you WILL like them, damn it" package

 

While I agree with you about Howarth and Alderson, it always seemed to me that Ron wasn't, or wasn't as, invested in making us love whoever Michael Easton was playing.  Therefore he has been able to make a place for himself on the GH canvas.  It probably also helps that his character is a doctor rather than a.) a psycho or b.) a mooch.

 

 I am willing to lay money down that whoever Fluke is, it has never changed. 

 

I think there is a definite endpoint in mind with this storyline also.

 

I will bet hard cash that the identity of Fluke has never changed and that it is Bill Eckert.

 

This I am not so sure of.

 

 

I usually don't mind Liz, and have even been known to defend her on occasion, but today she was infuriating.  ... It drove me nuts because it seemed like she was intentionally setting up it to spend the holiday with two men [Ric and Jason] who are interested in each other

 

Well, that would certainly be an interesting twist.  ;)

[Bringonthedrama]

 

Why must Fluke still be around? Where's Dr. O and a parapet when you need them?

Why is Toonces the Cat Scottish? Why is Lucy? Seriously, woman, you want a man to adore only you, but when you had that you fucked Scott behind his back.

Why is Liz so thirsty for Jakeson when she and Ric plan to ring each other's bells through the new year?

Why should I care about Sam/Patrick when Jason anvils are falling harder than Carly when Rock did us all a favor?

 

I love these questions so much. They make me smile. I appreciate the gifts on the 5th day of Christmas, thank you! 

[CPP83]

I am embarrassed that I watch a show where a grown woman is written to call another grown woman 'Boobie'

 

 

I passed embarrassed so long ago...I've pretty much abandoned everything from my sanity to my sense of dignity.

 

 

Why would killing Jordan cue a mob war? Aren't they already at war? And who goes to war over a mid-level (at best) drug dealer? Yeah, Jordan's hot, but Helen of Troy she ain't.

 

 

 

Julian may have taken Jordan's bullets but someone is holding his balls ransom, I swear to god...it's beyond beyond ridiculous.

[HeatLifer]

Patrick and Sam, just seem so staged and all the anvils with Jakeson and his "possible" family, yah that's going to blow them all to hell.

Jase: "I could have a family out there!"

Sam: Macking on the ex-husband of the woman she knows tried to save her husband's ass.

Ron: "Muhahahahaha!"

Edited December 30, 2014 by HeatLifer

[Turtle]

OnceSane, I also have So. Many. Questions about this show.  I've been trying to just not think too much about anything, and it's alleviated a lot of stress.

 

I usually don't mind Liz, and have even been known to defend her on occasion, but today she was infuriating.  ... It drove me nuts because it seemed like she was intentionally setting up it to spend the holiday with two men [Ric and Jason] who are interested in each other

Well, that would certainly be an interesting twist.  ;)

 

 

 

Yowsah1, I think I accidentally came up with what could be a great storyline!  I thought about going back to edit it, but decided that I like it this way better.

[CPP83]

Jase: "I could have a family out there!"

Sam: Macking on the ex-husband of the woman she knows tried to save her husband's ass.

Ron: "Muhahahahaha!"

 

 

Ron: She never bit Jason's lip like that! 

 

It all just makes me feel ill. I need Carrrrrrlos to do an interpretive dance of my pain.

[twoods]

Fuck this shit. Silas was not a rebound- too much time was invested in them and it got Sam to move on from Jason. I am not believing this shit, especially if it's propping the ridiculous Sam/Patrick crap. Stupid writers!

This Jordan stuff is going on for way too long. TJ needs an emoting scene soon instead of being shoved offscreen.

Liz is really rich to try to goad Jakeson into staying. Her and Jakeson are ff material- actually much of his scenes are ff (I want to like BM but I don't).

The writers have ruined Maxie and Nathan with this juvenile storyline. Kissing at midnight- seriously?

[KerleyQ]

Yeah, I can't see the rebound thing there.  From what I recall of their relationship build up, they didn't jump right into bed, they eventually said "I love you" to each other (they did, didn't they?), and it wasn't her jumping from Jason's death right to Silas.  And if it's a rebound from McBain, she and McBain never really had a relationship established, and the Silas thing lasted longer.  But, they have to plot point the Samtrick stuff to death so that it's oh, so dramatic when she finds out Jason is alive.  So, any relationship that came between Jason and Patrick has to be insignificant.  It's like a different twist on the whole "I've never loved anyone as much as I love you" line spouted on soaps to current love interests, even when we viewers know damn well that the character has loved a couple people at least that much in the past. 

[movingtargetgal]

This Luke/Fluke and the Super Villains Alliance (phrase as such:  Diana Ross and the Supremes, Katrina and the Wave, etc.) has ruined almost every storyline on the show's canvas.  It began over a year ago and the pause button was hit for SIX MONTHS while TG recovered.  Now it is not only boring it's aggravating.   

[annabel]

I remember on AMC when Ryan and Kendall were first getting together after Gillian was killed and it was really refreshing that there was a lot of attention paid to the fact that Gillian had been the love of his life and he was really unsure that it would be fair to Kendall. And this was after like a year!!!

[HeatLifer]

Ron: She never bit Jason's lip like that!

It all just makes me feel ill. I need Carrrrrrlos to do an interpretive dance of my pain.

Patrick: "Oooooh! Pretty shiny Sam hair pretty!"