Episode Discussion: TFGH

[LeftPhalange]

70s porn with out of control bushes would have far better writing than this show. 

[truthaboutluv]

Personally I think some of the people complaining about the the Jason and Sam love scene on twitter were probably people who hate the couple and also those who hate them and maybe ship Jason and Elizabeth. My years of being in soap opera fandoms taught me that it is amazing what is suddenly the worse thing ever when it's happening with a ship a person hates that was surprisingly not a problem when it was with a couple they ship. Personally I think shipping on soap operas is the most pointless thing ever because the writers will inevitably trash every pairing at some point or another for drama. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by truthaboutluv

[KerleyQ]

Jason Hulking out was hilarious. But it was super gross that it led to sexy times for him and Sam. Just as gross was Rebecca Budig ministering to Nik's wounds. 

 

What is wrong with these women?!

 

So much for Sam not being more into "bad" Jason. 

 

Billy Miller has a health condition that he takes prednisone for. It can make you gain weight. SK has been on prednisone as well. Prednisone weight is hard to control, and these guys aren't by any means fat. If an actress were on prednisone, I'd say the same thing. If we aren't going to body shame the ladies, shouldn't we not body shame the guys for real?

 

I've had to take that on and off, and had one really horrible stretch where I had to take 100 mgs a day for four months (and then taper off of it over another few months).  My face looked like a freaking moon, and I had stretch marks from the weight gain.  It was awful.  Billy honestly does not look that bad for taking prednisone (or that bad for a normal human being).  

[mybabyaidan]

I didn't see them getting turned on by the fighting. I saw Sam getting emotional about the year she lost with her husband already and the fact that if he had gone to jail she would have lost more. I saw it as 2 people realizing time is precious and just giving in to what they were feeling. It was beautiful. I loved every second of it. And Billy is one sexy mofo.

Everything else I wanted to say has been said, so I won't write a novel. But I covet SAMs underwear set.

[In2You]

A DOOL love scene would probably give them the vapors

I don't find the sex scenes on DAYS any different than the ones on every soap. DAYS just loves to throw some porn sax over theirs.

[IWantCandy71]

Personally I think some of the people complaining about the the Jason and Sam love scene on twitter were probably people who hate the couple and also those who hate them and maybe ship Jason and Elizabeth. My years of being in soap opera fandoms taught me that it is amazing what is suddenly the worse thing ever when it's happening with a ship a person hates that was surprisingly not a problem when it was with a couple they ship. Personally I think shipping on soap operas is the most pointless thing ever because the writers will inevitably trash every pairing at some point or another for drama. 

 

 

I don't have a Twitter account, and I didn't watch the scenes. I just know that IF Sam got self righteous with Nikolas over trying to murder Hayden, then went home and had sex with someone who actually HAS murdered people...........

It makes her look like a hypocritical idiot with extremely bad judgement, at the very least. That's all.

If Sam's problem with Nikolas wasn't about the attempted murder, all right then. I still think Sam can do far better than Jason, but I don't really have a horse in the race.

[truthaboutluv]

Okay but I said some people and specifically some people making the comments like the one quoted from Twitter. So I'm not sure why if you're one, not on twitter, two, didn't watch or comment on the actual love scene, my comment would have anything to do with anything you said. It was specifically in response to a comment that was apparently posted on twitter that called the love scene soft-core porn. That is all. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by truthaboutluv

[LeftPhalange]

Personally I think some of the people complaining about the the Jason and Sam love scene on twitter were probably people who hate the couple and also those who hate them and maybe ship Jason and Elizabeth. My years of being in soap opera fandoms taught me that it is amazing what is suddenly the worse thing ever when it's happening with a ship a person hates that was surprisingly not a problem when it was with a couple they ship. Personally I think shipping on soap operas is the most pointless thing ever because the writers will inevitably trash every pairing at some point or another for drama. 

 

I wonder if the people complaining about Sam and Jason having sex were upset when Carly was shot in the head while giving birth, or when Ava had her baby ripped out of her, or when Dante was shot point blank in the chest, or when AJ was shot and killed, or when Duke was shot and killed, or when Franco stabbed Heather in the stomach, or when Heather stabbed that man to death, or when Heather jumped off a roof with Danny, or when Heather stabbed Steve, or when Heather pushed Olivia down the stairs, or when Ava shot and killed Connie, or when Ava shot Olivia, or when Johnny shot and killed Anthony. 

[teenj12]

I do think it was the wrong time for the Jasam sex. Like everyone said, it didn't jive right to have them sexing after Jason almost killed someone. But I won't lie, the scene was HAWT. And Billy Miller's body is just an A+ , lol. Aren't KeMo and Billy dating in real life (I know for sure there were rumors)? I was thinking that was the reason they were able to bring so much steam to the scene :P .

Edited April 7, 2016 by teenj12

[Sake614]

I think Finn's comment to Griffin that he will be watching him during the surgery is an omen that Griffin is going to screw something up. He may be good at making a diagnosis, and have a great bedside manner, but I bet he's lousy at cutting people up.

 

 

 

I certainly hope not. I mean, he's a neurosurgeon. That generally means he actually performs surgery.

[Oracle42]

I didn't see them getting turned on by the fighting. I saw Sam getting emotional about the year she lost with her husband already and the fact that if he had gone to jail she would have lost more. I saw it as 2 people realizing time is precious and just giving in to what they were feeling.

I agree that that's what the writers were aiming for - but they've spent most of Jason/Sam's scenes talking about Nik/Hayden instead of talking about themselves, their lives and their child. The writers aren't bothering to build the connection that would lead to that moment of realization and fear of loss. I hope they'll do that going forward because I like KeMo/BM together

Edited April 8, 2016 by Oracle42

[tallyrand]

I don't get the comment about the person on twitter.  Not everyone that says something negative about the golden couple is a secret liason fan.  Maybe they just didn't like it or thought it was shot oddly? Is everyone that criticized a liason love scene a rabid jasam fan that deserves  to get called out? Is not liking a Jasam love scene so unbelievable that the opinion has to come from someone with a bias?

 

Everyone, and every couple, gets criticized.  For some reason whenever its Jason or Sam, people feel free to blame Liz/Liason fans and make it seem like they are crazy.  I don't get why that's ok.

 

I thought BH and BM had no chemistry, and I didn't like them. And I'm a Liz fan who ships Liz with basically everyone but Sonny! But I am not going to judge fans for what they like or don't like.

[LeftPhalange]

I don't get the comment about the person on twitter.  Not everyone that says something negative about the golden couple is a secret liason fan.  Maybe they just didn't like it or thought it was shot oddly? Is everyone that criticized a liason love scene a rabid jasam fan that deserves  to get called out? Is not liking a Jasam love scene so unbelievable that the opinion has to come from someone with a bias?

 

Everyone, and every couple, gets criticized.  For some reason whenever its Jason or Sam, people feel free to blame Liz/Liason fans and make it seem like they are crazy.  I don't get why that's ok.

 

I thought BH and BM had no chemistry, and I didn't like them. And I'm a Liz fan who ships Liz with basically everyone but Sonny! But I am not going to judge fans for what they like or don't like.

 

No one is saying everyone has to love Jason/Sam. Some of us just find it odd that the twitter person is acting like the sex scene was borderline porn. It was a standard soap sex scene. 

[HeatLifer]

I've always thought the importance placed on TV sex scenes was interesting. I mean, there's obviously a place for them, and if the actors are willing to go for it and are comfortable (which is how GH does it; what are the actors willing to do/are comfortable doing), why not? But I've also watched hotter scenes where two people are fully clothed and just...staring at each other. Or two people just share a...kiss.

At the end of the day, though, what all fans should want is better storytelling. The show can air 5786545 love scenes and it won't mean a thing without substance and depth and real emotion.

[truthaboutluv]

For the last time, I said SOME people so clearly my comment was not in relation to EVERYONE. Two, I said that some could one, just not like Jason and Sam period...as in irrespective of any other pairing. They're simply not a fan of the couple and so of course they would be turned off or simply not interested in the love scene. And then yes I said it could also be that being a fan of Jason and Elizabeth they hated it and I used that pairing because this whole storyline for the past year has involved Jason/Elizabeth/Sam. That is all. 

 

As I noted, I've watched soap operas long enough and been in fandoms in the past, so I do know how shipping can create biases in some (again note the use of the some) and how they respond to certain storylines. Case in point, I remember reading comments that thought it was hilarious how Jason seemed to not give a crap about Sam and especially poor Danny, right after the reveal of his identity came out and he stayed with Elizabeth. Yet fast forward to after the split with Elizabeth and suddenly Jason is the worse father in the world who doesn't give a shit about Jake at all simply because he was shown by Sam's bedside after the explosion. Never mind the dialogue clearly stated that he'd gone back and forth between Jake and Sam's rooms the whole night. 

[Cheyanne11]

Speaking of Danny, where is the little borg in training?  Maybe Audrey took him on, too.*

 

*I actually don't GAF and get that all children are off-screen unless needed for plot reasons, but since Elizabeth gets hit over the head with the "where are her kids" stick...

Edited April 7, 2016 by Cheyanne11

[Oracle42]

 

So now Nikolas is trashed.  HayNik is trashed too.

 

And for fucking WHAT? So he can pick on poor Jason? So he can not give a shit about Sam, a person he should NEVER have given a shit about the minute he saw what she tried to do to Alexis' family?

 

 

 

These are the times when I miss Guza and our old writers. I'm betting he'd follow up that Jason/Sam lurve scene with Molly finding out about Sam's history with Ric and there'd be lots of messy drama with script writers capable of making it compelling. 

[truthaboutluv]

Speaking of Danny, where is the little borg in training?  Maybe Audrey took him on, too.*

 

*I actually don't GAF and get that all children are off-screen unless needed for plot reasons, but since Elizabeth gets hit over the head with the "where are her kids" stick...

 

Last we heard I think he's still with Monica. 

[mybabyaidan]

For the last time, I said SOME people so clearly my comment was not in relation to EVERYONE. Two, I said that some could one, just not like Jason and Sam period...as in irrespective of any other pairing. They're simply not a fan of the couple and so of course they would be turned off or simply not interested in the love scene. And then yes I said it could also be that being a fan of Jason and Elizabeth they hated it and I used that pairing because this whole storyline for the past year has involved Jason/Elizabeth/Sam. That is all. 

 

As I noted, I've watched soap operas long enough and been in fandoms in the past, so I do know how shipping can create biases in some (again note the use of the some) and how they respond to certain storylines. Case in point, I remember reading comments that thought it was hilarious how Jason seemed to not give a crap about Sam and especially poor Danny, right after the reveal of his identity came out and he stayed with Elizabeth. Yet fast forward to after the split with Elizabeth and suddenly Jason is the worse father in the world who doesn't give a shit about Jake at all simply because he was shown by Sam's bedside after the explosion. Never mind the dialogue clearly stated that he'd gone back and forth between Jake and Sam's rooms the whole night.

FWIW I get what you are saying, and I agree. I hate Liz, so most of the shit she does annoys me. I can freely admit that. And I love Sam so even though I do call her out when she does something really dumb, I tend to overlook other stuff. Like I wasn't bothered by her reaction to Nikolas. Again, he is supposed to be a good person...so I think a lot of her anger was not *really* about the hit, but the fact it was Nikolas that ordered it.

[Oracle42]

Which is a valid point - but I think Sam is maybe one of the worst characters to make that point.

Plus, we're also dealing with writers who have Liz & Laura trying to protect Nik from the woman HE TRIED TO MURDER.

Nothing about the way these characters are reacting to this situation has been written well or in a way that makes sense - not for the characters specifically and not as a story generally

Edited April 7, 2016 by Oracle42

[OnceSane]

Keep it to the show, please.

[truthaboutluv]

Which is a valid point - but I think Sam is maybe one of the worst characters to make that point.

Plus, we're also dealing with writers who have Liz & Laura trying to protect Nik from the woman HE TRIED TO MURDER. Nothing about the way these characters are reacting UO this situation has been written well or in a way that makes sense - not for the characters specifically and not as a story generally

 

Even if they just wanted to drag out the Jason mystery, they should have just had Hayden shot and leave whoever did it as a mystery. They still could have had Nikolas take advantage of her amnesia to keep her close and make sure she didn't reveal the truth about Jason. It would still be icky but slightly less so and definitely less disturbing. They could have then just said some person her dad swindled is who shot her when this whole reveal of who she really is happened. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by truthaboutluv

[Oracle42]

I think RC was trying to be 'edgy' and 'shocking' instead of being, y'know, a good storyteller

[dubbel zout]

The Parker/Alexis stuff was handled with grace. They sat like two adults and discussed the situation.

 

Too bad the person Alexis should be talking to is her daughter. I hate that both Mommy and Daddy had to go try to bail out Kristina. Typical of them, but I'd be more interested in seeing Kristina clean up her own mess. She is, supposedly, an adult. (TM Silas Clay.) So let her try to act like one.

[TwistedandBored]

Oh.

My.

God.

I won't say it.

I won't even.

But seriously, show.

How dare you waste KeMo and Billy all this mothertruckin' time.

I could have been watching THAT this entire time?

Ajkskskskakowkakakak.

 

Basically, this was me yesterday. 

[ulkis]

Canada to Ecuador: thanks for taking one for the team, bro.

[tallyrand]

I get that soaps create biases. But why are the only biases being highlighted here biases against jason and sam? It happens to every character every day and we all come into this show with biases.

Personally I thought it was a good love scene but all soap loves scenes are awkward with the weird cutting. They are laying on each other in the middle of the bed and then all of a sudden they are straddling on the edge of the bed. Kemo was great and looked banging. BM as usual left something to be desired. Does he know how to show emotion? He was just going through the motions and relying on the choreography to bring the sexy.

Oh and Nik is a pig.

Edited April 7, 2016 by tallyrand

[dubbel zout]

Ava, Scott is a lawyer, not a professional bodyguard. I don't know why she expects him to be proficient at making sure she doesn't get hurt. Good grief.

 

The Sonny and Anna follies have got to stahp.

[ulkis]

I get that soaps create biases. But why are the only biases being highlighted here biases against jason and sam?

 

They're definitely not the only ones.

[Bill C.]

While Alexis and Kristina's meeting-in-the-middle was definitely the highlight of the episode--or at least it was until Anna Fucking Devane went "Yeah...no, Paul, you're not ruining my crusade"--I have to ask: the first time we met Hammer, didn't Julian tell him then he would be stepping back in on the DL as the head of the Jerome organization?  I guess he was just making it overt now so they'd lay off Ava?  Maybe?  I got nothin'.

 

That said, Carly running straight to Jason after he finally got done banging (and banging, and banging, and I think there was one more bang in there--damn, man) Sam rated all the eyerolls.  All of them.  As if Sonny allying with Anna wasn't enough fuckery?

[dubbel zout]

News flash, Sam: I don't think too many people aside from maybe Liz will care that you and Jason slept together.

[tallyrand]

They're definitely not the only ones.

All due respect, but I see liason/jiz fans called out on this board all the time. I don't see anyone saying that because someone doesn't like carly they must be a brenda fan with a secret agenda.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

I was so upset that Kristina's professor made Alexis felt less like a mother. Feck that. If Kristina gets to be suspended for misconduct, she should lose her damn job.

 

I now understand why Sam hadn't lit into him enough all this time. She was willing to overlook keeping her in the dark for the sake of Spencer, but finally realizing he was willing to murder an innocent woman to keep his secret, for greed was her threshold. As she said, she gave him every benefit of a doubt.

[tallyrand]

No one is saying everyone has to love Jason/Sam. Some of us just find it odd that the twitter person is acting like the sex scene was borderline porn. It was a standard soap sex scene.

I get that. But why were liason fans brought into it? It could just be someone with more reserved sensibilities.

[dubbel zout]

She was willing to overlook keeping her in the dark for the sake of Spencer

 

And willing to screw her son in the bargain. Ugh.

 

To say something nice about the show: Carly's dress was great, and LW looked great in it.

Edited April 7, 2016 by dubbel zout

[SlovakPrincess]

Perhaps Anna is just adjusting to the realities of her dystopian universe. The Plot Point Gods prevented her from getting justice from Faison, Dr O, or Julian, and she ended up getting fired, ridiculed and heartbroken over the last three years.

Sonny, on the other hand, always comes out a winner, somehow. Maybe allying with him is the best option for surviving in the Hellmouth?

[truthaboutluv]

I get that. But why were liason fans brought into it? It could just be someone with more reserved sensibilities.

 

With all due respect, I think you are trying to create an unnecessary back and forth. I made the comment and I have explained exactly what I meant with no room for misconception. Jason and Sam were the characters being discussed at the time so of course that is who the comment was about. Also the moderator said to move on so yeah maybe let's all move on now. Now I apologize for going off topic and will happily exit the thread right now because frankly this is beyond silly at this point. 

[ciarra]

 

Too bad the person Alexis should be talking to is her daughter.

Offscreen.  On twitter. 

[ulkis]

All due respect, but I see liason/jiz fans called out on this board all the time. I don't see anyone saying that because someone doesn't like carly they must be a brenda fan with a secret agenda.

Then you just haven't seen them. They're there, although maybe not as frequently. If you think only Liz fans are being accused then my best suggestion would be to message a moderator and speak to them about it.

Edited April 7, 2016 by ulkis

[Chairperson Meow]

Last we heard I think he's still with Monica.

Danny being with Monica gives me hope for that kid. He's shown more emotion since he's started spending all his time with her.

[Ambrosefolly]

I think RC was trying to be 'edgy' and 'shocking' instead of being, y'know, a good storyteller

In his defense, I don't think this is exclusive to just him.

[yowsah1]

Watch out, BM! You don't read on screen as a stick, so by GH logic you are"fat". And we all know what happens to "fat" guys on this show!

I see the shit-flinging monkeys that pass for writers on this show are Re-Ronning again. The Jasam we-got-so-hot-beating-up-someone-we-just-HAD-to-fuck is basically a slightly toned down retread of Ron's patented "He's dead! Let's fuck!" scenes he did with Carly/Franco, Maxie/Nathan, and a number of others I don't wanna subject myself to remembering. Hey idiots, you trashed three veteran characters for the sake of your two uber-pets, could you kindly make their big sex scene NOT GROSS?!

[dubbel zout]

Last we heard I think he's still with Monica.

 

Monica's been at the hospital because of Tracy. Alice is probably showing Danny wrestling holds to use on his half-brothers. Hee.

[Lillybee]

Monica's been at the hospital because of Tracy. Alice is probably showing Danny wrestling holds to use on his half-brothers. Hee.

 

If that is the case, I hope that he takes down DNA Jake/

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

I didn't so much mind Parkar said to Alexis. It should have came from anyone but her. Diana should have enlightened Alexis.

 

Not that I think she needs to be "there" for Kristina anymore than she has been. What is with kids being so needy these days lol

 

And willing to screw her son in the bargain. Ugh.

 

To say something nice about the show: Carly's dress was great, and LW looked great in it.

 

I guess the stock doesn't factor too much for Sam where Danny is concerned. They don't need the funds and the ELQ heritage is more about Tracy than any Q alive. 

[LeftPhalange]

STFU Ava. So sick of her whining about how bad of a job Scott is doing protecting her. Maybe that's because he's not a bodyguard? Maybe you could hire someone who's trained? Or not. I don't care. Just STFU.

 

Julian and Ava are not believable as mobsters. I wish they would both just give it up and do something else with their lives.

 

Sam wondering what to tell people about her and Jason was stupid. The only person who might have some sort of negative reaction to them having sex is Liez. No one else would care that she's having sex with her husband. 

[Cheyanne11]

 

Sam wondering what to tell people about her and Jason was stupid. 

Why is she thinking of telling anyone anything?  Her fahhhhh-mily already knows they've been seeing each other, so unless Port Charles has some law where you have to register your sex partners...

[Oracle42]

I'm guessing Alexis is going to respond by saying "... And that's why I didn't file your dumb divorce papers"

[dubbel zout]

I guess the stock doesn't factor too much for Sam where Danny is concerned. They don't need the funds and the ELQ heritage is more about Tracy than any Q alive.

 

It's more than not caring about ELQ. Sam being okay with Nik keeping the secret for his own selfish reasons meant being okay that Danny was deprived of his father for that amount of time. 

 

Julian and Ava are not believable as mobsters. I wish they would both just give it up and do something else with their lives.

 

I wish the show would get rid of the mob aspect all together. It's been so played out for years.

Edited April 7, 2016 by dubbel zout

[KerleyQ]

Watch out, BM! You don't read on screen as a stick, so by GH logic you are"fat". And we all know what happens to "fat" guys on this show!

I see the shit-flinging monkeys that pass for writers on this show are Re-Ronning again. The Jasam we-got-so-hot-beating-up-someone-we-just-HAD-to-fuck is basically a slightly toned down retread of Ron's patented "He's dead! Let's fuck!" scenes he did with Carly/Franco, Maxie/Nathan, and a number of others I don't wanna subject myself to remembering. Hey idiots, you trashed three veteran characters for the sake of your two uber-pets, could you kindly make their big sex scene NOT GROSS?!

 

Don't forget Sonny/Carly with the "you killed AJ?  That is so hot we need to fuck on this couch that belongs to our son, who is also his son!" sex.