Episode Discussion: TFGH

[TeeVee329]

Challenge accepted.

 

Helena, of strong brain and feeble body, dies on the exact day that Carlos is revealed alive? Carlos, who may have been fished of the harbor brain dead from lack of oxygen, but body fixable. What's five bulletholes.  I'm pretty sure Heather and Jerry Jax have each ben shot at least five times during one of their 12-story building falls.

 

Do I need to state the obvious?  GH is coopting Friends' own spoof of soaps where Joey Tribiani's soap character get Susan Sarandan's soap's character brain.

 

And now I'm imagining Constance Towers playing...

 

Carrrrrrrrrrrrrlos (in Helena's body): My Sabrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrina, I have rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreturned for youuuuuuuu.

[ulkis]

Oh God, you think that can't happen but it can. On AMC when Gillian died, Gillian's ghost possessed Tad's mom and she and Ryan kissed. Pretty sure that was written by Jean Passanante.

 

ETA: Yes! It was! Let's all be afraid!

[Box305]

Oh God, you think that can't happen but it can. On AMC when Gillian died, Gillian's ghost possessed Tad's mom and she and Ryan kissed. Pretty sure that was written by Jean Passanante.

 

ETA: Yes! It was! Let's all be afraid!

 

Whaaaaaaaat? Oh God. 

[HeatLifer]

Oh God, you think that can't happen but it can. On AMC when Gillian died, Gillian's ghost possessed Tad's mom and she and Ryan kissed. Pretty sure that was written by Jean Passanante.

ETA: Yes! It was! Let's all be afraid!

Omg.

[peachmangosteen]

Ye gods! This show is shitastically hopeless at this point.

 

Another t-shirt idea!

 

Oh God, you think that can't happen but it can. On AMC when Gillian died, Gillian's ghost possessed Tad's mom and she and Ryan kissed. Pretty sure that was written by Jean Passanante.

 

Honestly that might be a step up from what we've been getting. At least it's kind of entertaining in it's horribleness.

 

I really have nothing to say about this ep. It was mostly boring. Although I did feel the rage bubbling up when Michael was saying how Sonny and Jason taught him how to be a father or whatever.

[TeeVee329]

Oh God, you think that can't happen but it can. On AMC when Gillian died, Gillian's ghost possessed Tad's mom and she and Ryan kissed. Pretty sure that was written by Jean Passanante.

 

ETA: Yes! It was! Let's all be afraid!

 

OMG, Ryan kissed Opal?!?!?!

[CPP83]

I know I heard them right but I surely must have heard them wrong because why in the hell are Sabrina and Michael tossing around ILY's at each other already?

 

She was his sister's nanny for a month, they pushed each other into a pool, felt up each other's private bits a few times and...what? Now they're suddenly in love? Sabrina is telling him that she's never loved another (Carlos: Girl please) as she loves him...? Does she even know his birthday?

 

The way they speed these couples along is just...ugh.

[Sugarbaker]

Oh God, you think that can't happen but it can. On AMC when Gillian died, Gillian's ghost possessed Tad's mom and she and Ryan kissed. Pretty sure that was written by Jean Passanante.

 

ETA: Yes! It was! Let's all be afraid!

HAHA! I remember that, Jean P even had Opal fluttering around in a long white gown, and speaking in a breathy babyish voice

[dubbel zout]

I know I heard them right but I surely must have heard them wrong because why in the hell are Sabrina and Michael tossing around ILY's at each other already?

 

I hate how quickly everyone says ILY on soaps. And that she's never loved anyone like she's loved him? Please.

[ulkis]

OMG, Ryan kissed Opal?!?!?!

 

Yup. It was only once though.

 

Honestly that might be a step up from what we've been getting. At least it's kind of entertaining in it's horribleness.

 

To be honest, it actually was kinda poignant . . . in general though the whole storyline was pretty poorly done though, not the ghost possession stuff, but the way they killed that character off in the first place.

[jsbt]

It was awful! I hated all of that. Jesse's ghost rewound time to save Tad! And Jesse wasn't even dead!

Edited November 23, 2015 by jsbt

[ulkis]

It was awful! I hated all of that. Jesse's ghost rewound time to save Tad! And Jesse wasn't even dead!

 

I forgot about that part. The whole cirque de soleil heaven was ridiculous though, as was asshole-ghost-but-not-really-ghost Jesse shouting YOU DEAD! in Gillian's face, like damn buddy, GIVE HER A MINUTE.

 

I remember thinking it was sad that Gillian was right there though and she and Ryan could only talk through Opal. 

 

But it probably won't happen on GH, because I don't think even they would have the balls to have Sabrina/Helena make out.

[TeeVee329]

To be honest, it actually was kinda poignant . . . in general though the whole storyline was pretty poorly done though, not the ghost possession stuff, but the way they killed that character off in the first place.

 

Didn't Gillian get shot by mistake by someone thinking she was Finola Hughes (Anna or Alex, I can't remember which?).

 

Full circle!

Edited November 23, 2015 by TeeVee329

[ulkis]

Yes she did. It was Anna at that point.

[fishcakes]

Why are they dragging out the full Jason reveal? Do the new writers not understand sweeps? I was counting on Liz and Nik becoming pariahs before the holidays and spending their respective Thanksgivings eating alone straight out of cans.

 

I've always loved Carlos and I'm glad he's back, but if he's actually been wearing that "Carlos and Sabrina" necklace all this time, then Anna was right to shoot him.

Edited November 23, 2015 by fishcakes

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Wasn't Sabrina just about as pregnant with Patrick's Shamois when she was in the car accident and lost him? Will Carlos be the one this time who helps birth the little runt and marathons it to the pediatric NICU at GH? Sabrina seems to be SOL when it comes to birthin' babies.

 

I swear this Show is so cheap!! Helena dies in one scene and in the next we see Carlos Redux!! Those two actors are obviously splitting that part of the budget.

 

I'm glad the Show has decided to portray people needing to see a shrink and being helped. Anna gives the story dignity and verisimilitude. But please spare us the sobbing for DEWQ! Dewq was mobbed up, and he had a history of being involved in violence with bad people. He tried to be a double agent and failed. I'd much rather see Anna at the shrink's because of her conflicts and guilt about how she neglected Robin, running off with Scorpio etc, and her part in Robin's adult fate and suffering. Also her fear for the impact on Emma. Anna's love for Dewq leaves me cold, because I know the real love of her life always has been Robert!Fucking!Scorpio! Dewq was nothing next to Robert. Show don't try to tell me that Dewq can hold a candle to Robert.

[Tiger]

Epiphany (to Sonny): You're no saint, but you have never hurt your own children.

 

Me: The fuck you say?

 

Network exec: we want you to do stories featuring black characters.

 

Uncle Frank: Okay, great!  We'll have Sonny adopt TJ and then hire Epiphany as his physical therapist.  

 

Network exec: But TJ's parents are alive and Epiphany is a nurse.

 

Uncle Frank: hashtag, fallin in love with GH!

Edited November 24, 2015 by Tiger

[Bringonthedrama]

Come on, don't be like Sonny and forget about the girl-child. :-)  He blew up a car that Kristina was in.  Sonny doesn't hurt his children my ass.

I didn't include that because Kristina didn't actually get in the car IIRC - Johnny figured out there was a bomb attached to his car and pushed her away/threw her down so she thankfully ended up with just scratches/bruises. What Sonny did was evil but it wasn't with the knowledge of her possibly getting into the car. I felt the Michael and Dante situations were different because Sonny took Michael to the warehouse with him knowing that he's always a target (plus of course the shooting was retaliation for having Johnny beat up/tortured when he was actually innocent), and of course Dante got shot at point-blank range by Sonny's hand.

[Tiger]

Challenge accepted.

 

Helena, of strong brain and feeble body, dies on the exact day that Carlos is revealed alive? Carlos, who may have been fished of the harbor brain dead from lack of oxygen, but body fixable. What's five bulletholes.  I'm pretty sure Heather and Jerry Jax have each been shot at least five times during one of their 12-story building falls.

 

Do I need to state the obvious?  GH is coopting Friends' own spoof of soaps where Joey Tribiani's soap character get Susan Sarandan's soap's character brain.

 

I love me some Constance Towers, but just the idea of JVP playing Helena has me howling with laughter.  Constance should let him borrow her white queen furs.

[backhometome]

Does Dante even acknowledge Sonny shooting him, anymore? Or did he hand wave it away like everyone else, including his mother.

[Badsamaritan]

I am completely serious when I ask, what in the ever loving fuck is Frank's thought process behind delaying the Nic/Liez reveal? It's sweeps, what the fuck is he waiting for? And Carlos is alive? CARLOS??? THAT'S your big Thanksgiving week story??? I know why they buy all that damn grey paint, cuz it's prolly shitty ass cheap illegal lead based and Frank has huffed so much of it in his office he's killed more brain cells than well, Morgan.

Any ideas why? Anything to make sense of this putrid pile of poo. Anyone? Bueller?

Edited November 24, 2015 by Badsamaritan

[ulkis]

I hate how quickly everyone says ILY on soaps. And that she's never loved anyone like she's loved him? Please.

 

I think this is a fairly recent phenomenon, done under Ron. Guza had a couple of rushed ILYs when he didn't give a shit but overall couples said "I love you" at a normal rate. It took Scrubs a year. Great episode too.

[Gigi43]

Does Dante even acknowledge Sonny shooting him, anymore? Or did he hand wave it away like everyone else, including his mother.

Sonny acknowledges it for humor these days with Dante's okay. Back when Dante told Sonny about Rocco being alive and he didn't realize it was his own son he'd seen with Britt, Sonny was all "at least ya didn't shoot him!" And Dante didn't punch him out. Good times. That still really pisses me off.

[TeeVee329]

And Carlos is alive? CARLOS??? THAT'S your big Thanksgiving week story???

 

And I'm not looking forward to what's likely coming next - Michael hypocritically railing, "We have to ensure I raise this baby and not Carrrrrrlos, not the dangerous mobster who shot my father!"

Edited November 24, 2015 by TeeVee329

[CPP83]

Sonny acknowledges it for humor these days with Dante's okay. Back when Dante told Sonny about Rocco being alive and he didn't realize it was his own son he'd seen with Britt, Sonny was all "at least ya didn't shoot him!" And Dante didn't punch him out. Good times. That still really pisses me off.

 

 

 

And not too far into the future Sonny will replace that with, "Hey, at least you didn't sleep with his bitch!whore!slut!tramp! girlfriend inside of a crypt and get her pregnant! Love ya Avery!". Or better yet, this is sure to be a classic, "At least you didn't shoot and kill his unarmed birth father and paid absolutely no lasting consequences for it!".

 

Oh that Sonny...such a cheeky character...

[lencidoll]

Funniest line of the day, "No one wants Kiki!"

[ciarra]

 

"No one wants Kiki!"

Truer words were never spoken.

 

Please someone (Jakeson, Sam, Lizzie) pinch the old lady, 'cause no way in hell is Hells dead. 

[P3pp3rb1rd]

I was dreading the moment when Morgan would put that loaded shotgun to Kiki's head and all bi-polarlike take a page out of the Sopranos and force her into sex on that couch. Luckily, we were spared the experience when the Intervention Team piled in through the front door. It is a pain to endure Carly yelling and dragging him off to the shrink (sobbing), but she and Sonny have reaped what they sowed. I hope Kiki counts her blessings and keeps a low profile as a waitress from now on, dating only Boy Scouts.

[CPP83]

Carly: "No one wants Kiki!"

 

Michael: "Everybody already knew that, Mom."

 

Kiki: "Hey! I have friend people who want me!"

 

Michael: "Invisible friend people-we never see them! They're not real!"

 

Morgan: "Everybody quiet!!! I hear something!!!!" 

 

Everybody: "OH JUST SHUT THE HELL UP MORGAN!!!"

[BestestAuntEver]

Network exec: we want you to do stories featuring black characters.

Uncle Frank: Okay, great! We'll have Sonny adopt TJ and then hire Epiphany as his physical therapist.

Network exec: But TJ's parents are alive and Epiphany is a nurse.

Uncle Frank: hashtag, fallin in love with GH!

Funny and sad at the same time. I think the same thing happens when the Q's or hospital are brought up.

TPTB : more hospital stories

Frank : okay, we will have Sonny Corinthos shot again and put in the hospital.

TPTB : no hospital stories.

Frank : okay, we will put Morgan Corinthos in the hospital and have the entire Corinthos clan there.

TPTB : more Q's

Frank: we will add Paul and make him an evil mobster

TPTB : no we want Q stories.

Frank: Okay we will have Greenlee interact with Tracy before we make the ELQ takeover all about Greenlee.

TPTB: never mind (calls up GMA and requests 3rd hour for 2016)

Edited November 24, 2015 by BestestAuntEver

[tvgoddess]

Watched Friday's show and then today's show with a glass of wine in between. Not nearly enough alcohol for this dreck.

 

Nik wasn't kidding when he said he needed a minute. Like it was under a minute. He's just chock full of warm fuzzies, ain't he?

 

Fin was flawless and phenomenal. She deserves so much better.

 

Gag at everything Sonny and Carly. I hate them both so much. Michael would almost be tolerable if he wasn't back to being such a suck up. And it's not surprising that Morgan now has bipolar or that BC still has a job. He's very close with MB, so he won't be going anywhere if Maurice has anything to say about it. And I think we all know, he pretty much controls this show.

 

Previews: Leave her worthless ass in jail, Ava!

[LexieLily]

So since we have Patrick's exit story confirmed for December/Christmastime that that coincides with Robert and Robin's returns, can we please assume that this is when Jason gets his memories back (restored by Robin?)? And Liz gets outed? Because I cannot take much more of this story draaaaggginnng on.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Hard to believe that Helena died, since the whole time Nik is talking to her corpse you can see her chest rising and falling as the actress breathes. Show, why didn't you take one still shot of Helena after she "expired," and display it each time the camera cut away from Nik to Granny? That way, we would never see Granny "breathing" while Nik talks about her like she is in the past.

 

Also, Nik had a head injury from his fight with Neanderthal Jason. Why didn't the doctor notice it or offer to clean and dress the wound for Nik?

[ulkis]

Watched Friday's show and then today's show with a glass of wine in between. Not nearly enough alcohol for this dreck.

Nik wasn't kidding when he said he needed a minute. Like it was under a minute. He's just chock full of warm fuzzies, ain't he?

Fin was flawless and phenomenal. She deserves so much better.

Gag at everything Sonny and Carly. I hate them both so much. Michael would almost be tolerable if he wasn't back to being such a suck up. And it's not surprising that Morgan now has bipolar or that BC still has a job. He's very close with MB, so he won't be going anywhere if Maurice has anything to say about it. And I think we all know, he pretty much controls this show.

Oh, I don't think Mo controls the show. If Frank wanted BC gone, he would be gone. What's MB gonna do, quit? He's not gonna quit over BC.

[tvgoddess]

Well, here's an even more unpopular opinion then. It's not just because of MB. LW hand picked BC out, so as far as I can see it, they're not ever getting rid of him unless he quits. What kind of attachment does Frank have to BC? He brings more trouble than he's worth. He can always go grab another one of his cardboard cut-out Ford brothers / Private Mayo guys.

 

I hate how this show just pretends that things either did or did not happen. And I really hate when they try and force a narrative that they want us to swallow. Franco spouting about let's show the haters, we're good people, etc. etc. Um, STFU Serial Killer.

[UYI]

I forgot about that part. The whole cirque de soleil heaven was ridiculous though, as was asshole-ghost-but-not-really-ghost Jesse shouting YOU DEAD! in Gillian's face, like damn buddy, GIVE HER A MINUTE.

 

I remember thinking it was sad that Gillian was right there though and she and Ryan could only talk through Opal. 

 

But it probably won't happen on GH, because I don't think even they would have the balls to have Sabrina/Helena make out.

 

On OLTL in 1999 after Dorian's husband Mel died, this psychic named Delphina (a woman) had Mel inhabit her body so Dorian could talk to him one more time or something, and they actually shared one kiss. This was when JFP was both producing and essentially wrote the show herself for almost a year before ABC was basically like "No bitch, we're going to need a REAL writer for this job", and forced her to hire Megan McTavish. I saw this years later on YouTube and was like O_O.

 

So, you know, never say never.

 

(And Dorian saw Mel as a ghost--in his regular male form--years later anyway, so yeah.)

Edited November 24, 2015 by UYI

[Mrs OldManBalls]

Epiphany (to Sonny): You're no saint, but you have never hurt your own children.

 

Me: The fuck you say?

 

I started yelling at the tv(my throat hurt after), and came up with seven things off the top of my head. My son had to remind me Sonny isn't real. 

 

 

Carly: Nobody's here for Kiki. Nobody wants Kiki.

 

Me: Damn straight.

 

That had to be intentional. If only LW broke the fourth wall and winked at the camera. 

 

 

So now Nik is sad about her Helena being dead AND he respects her. K.

 

I'm sad, and I respect her. Helena suffers no fools, gets stuff done and is elegant as fuck the entire time.( Personally I don't understand why she hadn't given up on Nik years ago)

 

 

This probably should go in the unpopular opinion thread, but I like Carlos.  I love JVP's telenovela style of acting. Go big or go borg, I say.

 

I want Carlos to stay and romance any woman in Sonny's orbit.

 

I want Carlos to be a GH hospital medic who makes each and every ambulance call a grand event.

 

I want him to sit next to Tracy at the Quartermaine Thanksgiving dinner. Just because.

 

It would give me so much joy.

 

I can only upvote you once, so I quoted you too! I adore Carlos and would watch the hell out of this if it would happen! 

[NutmegsDad]

It just occurred me that about this time a year ago, Michael was shredding Carly and signing the papers to make his name Michael Quartermaine.

 

And now...

 

I swear, if Show has Sonny singing Edward's Thanksgiving Song, I'm going to slap it so hard, it'll turn black-and-white and Steve Hardy & Jessie Brewer will appear.

 

I will take Carrrrlos singing it, in Spanish.

 

Oh, and Hells isn't dead. Tea mixed with a neurotoxin to simulate death. Only her doctor knows for sure (and Nik is 50/50 on being in on it). Book it, done. I'm not dumpster diving to check for a body.

[fishcakes]

Are we supposed to think Nik killed (or rather "killed") Helena? Because he wasn't exactly all weepy, "DON'T LEAVE ME GRANDMA" when he was talking to her corpse ("corpse") but we didn't get the obligatory, "you left me no choice I had to do it" speech either. I wish they would pick a personality for Nik, just not this one.

 

I'm liking the new psychiatrist and hoping they embiggen his role, but he's going to need a love interest and I'm afraid it's going to end up being either Valerie or Liz and then he'll be ruined.

[OhioSongbird]

I kept waiting for Helena to open one and eye..."Are they gone?"  She ain't dead...no way...no how.  Nik's in on it.  He was checking his watch a few minutes before it happened.  And the Dr. was really quick to declare her dead.  CT is too good to lose.  I have seen her in a lot of old TV shows and she always brings it.

 

"I will take Carrrrrlos singing it, in Spanish"......Me:  preferably naked!

[rur]

 She ain't dead...no way...no how.  Nik's in on it.  He was checking his watch a few minutes before it happened.  And the Dr. was really quick to declare her dead.  CT is too good to lose.  I have seen her in a lot of old TV shows and she always brings it.

 

Nik gave the doctor a long, lingering glance after saying "I know you did everything you could." That look made me suspect something was up. 

[ciarra]

I'd just like to go on record saying Anna finding the dropped pendant engraved with Carrrlos & Sabriiinna's names was such contrived b.s.  Anna didn't have Spinelli's webcam feed of everywhere in Port Charles, including the docks in the dark to show Carrrrlos was not a ghostie, but really, what stupidity to advance plot.

Edited November 24, 2015 by ciarra

[lizzbert]

It was awful! I hated all of that. Jesse's ghost rewound time to save Tad! And Jesse wasn't even dead!

This quote encapsulates everything I love/hate about soaps. Thank you!

Super glad Carrrrrrrrrlos is back, 'cause that guy could get it! ;)

[OnceSane]

I think Nik slipped a sedative into Helena's tea…or, yeah, some drug that simulates death. And the doctor gave her the antidote after everyone left.

If Carlos doesn't do an interpretive dance about possibly being Sabrina's baby daddy, I'm going to be sad.

[dubbel zout]

Personally I don't understand why she hadn't given up on Nik years ago

 

He's the Cassadine heir. Hard to believe some rival hasn't popped out of the woodwork by now.

 

If Helena ever truly dies, for once and for all, it won't be with an oxygen tube in her. It'll be some grand opera buffo death.

[Mrs OldManBalls]

I'm liking the new psychiatrist and hoping they embiggen his role, but he's going to need a love interest and I'm afraid it's going to end up being either Valerie or Liz and then he'll be ruined.

 

I don't know about acting-wise, but he and Nina would look good together. They need a chem test, stat. 

 

I will take Carrrrlos singing it, in Spanish.

 

With an acoustic guitar. And the wind blowing in his hair. 

 

 

He's the Cassadine heir. Hard to believe some rival hasn't popped out of the woodwork by now.

 

I know! The way these people hump around and lie about paternity, he can't be the only option. 

Edited November 24, 2015 by Mrs OldManBalls

[P3pp3rb1rd]

 

 

I kept waiting for Helena to open one and eye..."Are they gone?"  She ain't dead...no way...no how.  Nik's in on it.  He was checking his watch a few minutes before it happened.  And the Dr. was really quick to declare her dead.

 

Yes that whole scene was playacting. IMO Helena was chugging her laced tea and procrastinating, waiting to pass out. She and Nik had a plan. Doc may or may not have been legit--I thought he was chiding Nik, saying the old girl should've lasted longer. And then he didn't help Nik by fixing the head wound. Maybe Helena is going to play ghost now with Hayden or Liez to drive a point home.

 

For  a short period when Anna and the new shrink were talking, I wondered if they are going to be an item in the future. I sensed chemistry and interest from his side.

 

[OhioSongbird]

ITA....Anna and he would work well,  Hope they go there.  Anna has no one and he's new on the scene, they're bonding and she trusts him.  Would work....plus they would bring the pretty.

[Oracle42]

I...really don't enjoy psychiatrists having relationships with their patients. It's incredibly unprofessional and gross

[CPP83]

I know! The way these people hump around and lie about paternity, he can't be the only option.

 

 

 

This is what makes me think Becca (Hayden) would have made a fine newly discovered Cassadine heir. Instead of having her romance, fake or not, the man who tried to kill her, she could have been brought on to inject some new, desperately needed imo, life into that family.