House Hunters: Buying in the USA

[DkNNy79]

LI - I can't believe they picked the house with all the stairs - I guess they really, really wanted water views.  They had a $500k budget and that house was already listed for $499 and he said after all the renovations they were going to spend $650k.  A complete budget buster.  They should've just told the agent they had a $650k budget and maybe they would've been shown nicer houses that didn't require a 6 month pregnant women walk up so many stairs.

Nutley, NJ - the girl was annoying.  I would've gone for the house with the pool if they were gonna go over budget.  I get that it was a little farther out from their desired location, but they just got so much more bang for their buck and I don't think they were like a 15 minute drive away from their families (I don't think).

Edited May 19, 2017 by DkNNy79

[Kohola3]

The stairs?  Ridiculous.  I know millennials that bought brownstones with half that number of steps thinking it was so "cool" and the climb would keep them in shape.  Most bailed out after a year.  Lugging groceries up and baby equipment down?  That will wear thin VERY quickly. I want a follow up to see if they actually stayed.  I'm betting a big not.

[laredhead]

Thanks for the episode information.  The Long Island episode was not shown here.  Instead it was an episode of Las Vegas flipping.  The Nutley episode was on at 9:00 (central time here in Louisiana).  I wish HGTV or Uverse or both would get their act together and show the same show in every market. 

I also like the 3rd house better in the Nutley episode, but those 2 seemed to have a very close connection to their families and they said that her father (a mortgage broker) and brother "worked to make" that house happen, so I am guessing that influenced their decision on the 1st house.  Hope I can find the Long Island episode on-line or maybe it will air tonight.    

[camom]

I turned off the Nutley episode after the first house.  The woman's attitude when her brother the realtor didn't automatically take them to her dream home was awful.  I found myself not caring if she was happy or not.

[DkNNy79]

1 hour ago, Kohola3 said:

The stairs?  Ridiculous.  I know millennials that bought brownstones with half that number of steps thinking it was so "cool" and the climb would keep them in shape.  Most bailed out after a year.  Lugging groceries up and baby equipment down?  That will wear thin VERY quickly. I want a follow up to see if they actually stayed.  I'm betting a big not.

I also want to see what the house looked like after the renovation because they completely gutted out most of the house.

[camom]

With the Nutley couple, I had to laugh when she said she wanted a 2 story house because she didn't want anyone breaking in to the bedroom.  When her fiance pointed out that, even with a 2 story house, someone could break into the house, and she said that they couldn't.  I assume she meant that they couldn't break directly into the bedroom.  Apparently in her world bad guys are not capable of climbing stairs.

[mojito]

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Apparently in her world bad guys are not capable of climbing stairs.

And this couple must sleep like the dead. I would think a bedroom at ground floor level would be more of a deterrent to a thief than one that's upstairs. But I guess Nutley, New Jersey thieves like the challenge of breaking into a room where there are two sleeping adults. 

She was pretty annoying. The third house seemed odd to me in that the master had a half bath. That left three full bathrooms and an additional half bath, I think. I think I would've passed on all three houses. 

[ByaNose]

I have always been fascinated by people going way over the asking price. I guess thee house is the perfect house or the best location. Do they start below asking and the seller is the one who keeps raising it? Do the buyers automatically go way over to get it? Of course. It could be multiple bidders drive the price over asking, right? What's the general rule of thumb if you really, really want it? Go over asking price?

[Kohola3]

10 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

 

I have always been fascinated by people going way over the asking price.

 

Since we know how totally fake this all is, I always chalk it up to just manufactured drama.  Throw a dart a board with prices and pretend that's what you have to spend.  Then proceed to ignore it.

[juliet73]

5 hours ago, camom said:

I turned off the Nutley episode after the first house.  The woman's attitude when her brother the realtor didn't automatically take them to her dream home was awful.  I found myself not caring if she was happy or not.

I hated her too.  She seemed like a reject from The Jersey Shore tv show.  She only got worse as the episode continued.  "Where's my pool?", etc

 

4 hours ago, camom said:

With the Nutley couple, I had to laugh when she said she wanted a 2 story house because she didn't want anyone breaking in to the bedroom.  When her fiance pointed out that, even with a 2 story house, someone could break into the house, and she said that they couldn't.  I assume she meant that they couldn't break directly into the bedroom.  Apparently in her world bad guys are not capable of climbing stairs.

I think when her husband said they could break into a 2 story house, she said something like "Not while we're sleeping!"  She was an idiot!

 

17 hours ago, chocolatine said:

LI episode was a young married couple with a baby on the way, and they picked a house with great water views, but situated on the side of a hill with a bajillion stairs to even get into the house. They paid $500k and are putting in another $150k in renovations, and are claiming it'll be worth $900k afterwards. I'm a little skeptical given what I know about the area (I happen to be moving to that very area shortly, won't be buying right away though). The place is not that close to the water, it just has the views because it's so high up.

 

Those people were CRAZY!  Yes, it had water views, but they weren't that great!  I hope they are just in it to flip it because I can't believe they are okay with walking up 1000 stairs with a baby in a carrier, not to mention all the other gear and groceries, etc.  I would be so worried in the winter about slipping on those.  Of all the episodes where parents were freaking out because a house had interior steps/stairs that Junior could get hurt on, this is the one couple that should have insisted that it wasn't safe and/or practical.  How are they going to move their furniture up there? Didn't she have a piano?  I want to know how they afford a $500k house on LI...Actually a $650k house and LI property taxes on the salary of a music teacher and whatever job he had (ex navy?)  I look forward to the Where Are They Now of this couple.

 

2 hours ago, ByaNose said:

I have always been fascinated by people going way over the asking price. I guess thee house is the perfect house or the best location. Do they start below asking and the seller is the one who keeps raising it? Do the buyers automatically go way over to get it? Of course. It could be multiple bidders drive the price over asking, right? What's the general rule of thumb if you really, really want it? Go over asking price?

If you know the house will sell quickly -  the realtor could tell you or if you're familiar with the area, you would probably know, and it's the perfect house, you would go over asking so you have a better chance of getting it.  Multiple offers drive the price up over asking as well.  Some people will price their house lower just so it will go into a bidding war.   If you are the only one and offer less than asking, the owner can counter offer, but they can't counter over the original asking.  So if you're selling a house for $500k and I offer you $490k , you can decline my offer and we both move on or you can counter my offer back to $500k or below.  There are buyers that may go way over original asking because it's in their desired school district or in an affluent neighborhood (worst house in the best neighborhood scenario), etc.  IMO, the LI couple should have just found a better house with water views for $650K.  I'm sure they'll turn a profit after the reno, but I don't think it will be as high as they think.  If someone is going to pay almost $1,000,000 for a house in that area, they are going to want a view without electrical poles obstructing it.  Also, their buying pool is going to be limited because of those stairs.  

[ByaNose]

10 minutes ago, juliet73 said:

I hated her too.  She seemed like a reject from The Jersey Shore tv show.  She only got worse as the episode continued.  "Where's my pool?", etc

 

I think when her husband said they could break into a 2 story house, she said something like "Not while we're sleeping!"  She was an idiot!

 

Those people were CRAZY!  Yes, it had water views, but they weren't that great!  I hope they are just in it to flip it because I can't believe they are okay with walking up 1000 stairs with a baby in a carrier, not to mention all the other gear and groceries, etc.  I would be so worried in the winter about slipping on those.  Of all the episodes where parents were freaking out because a house had interior steps/stairs that Junior could get hurt on, this is the one couple that should have insisted that it wasn't safe and/or practical.  How are they going to move their furniture up there? Didn't she have a piano?  I want to know how they afford a $500k house on LI...Actually a $650k house and LI property taxes on the salary of a music teacher and whatever job he had (ex navy?)  I look forward to the Where Are They Now of this couple.

 

If you know the house will sell quickly -  the realtor could tell you or if you're familiar with the area, you would probably know, and it's the perfect house, you would go over asking so you have a better chance of getting it.  Multiple offers drive the price up over asking as well.  Some people will price their house lower just so it will go into a bidding war.   If you are the only one and offer less than asking, the owner can counter offer, but they can't counter over the original asking.  So if you're selling a house for $500k and I offer you $490k , you can decline my offer and we both move on or you can counter my offer back to $500k or below.  There are buyers that may go way over original asking because it's in their desired school district or in an affluent neighborhood (worst house in the best neighborhood scenario), etc.  IMO, the LI couple should have just found a better house with water views for $650K.  I'm sure they'll turn a profit after the reno, but I don't think it will be as high as they think.  If someone is going to pay almost $1,000,000 for a house in that area, they are going to want a view without electrical poles obstructing it.  Also, their buying pool is going to be limited because of those stairs.  

Thanks. That's true about the profit he thought he could make later. Someone who wants a million dollar view wants a house with actual million dollar view. There were a lot of electrical poles there which isn't exactly a sight to behold. Also, the stairs were crazy. Between luggging kids, groceries & the eventual senior citizen those steps are gonna get old pretty darn quick.

[chocolatine]

56 minutes ago, juliet73 said:

3 hours ago, ByaNose said:

I have always been fascinated by people going way over the asking price. I guess thee house is the perfect house or the best location. Do they start below asking and the seller is the one who keeps raising it? Do the buyers automatically go way over to get it? Of course. It could be multiple bidders drive the price over asking, right? What's the general rule of thumb if you really, really want it? Go over asking price?

If you know the house will sell quickly -  the realtor could tell you or if you're familiar with the area, you would probably know, and it's the perfect house, you would go over asking so you have a better chance of getting it.  Multiple offers drive the price up over asking as well.  Some people will price their house lower just so it will go into a bidding war.   If you are the only one and offer less than asking, the owner can counter offer, but they can't counter over the original asking.  So if you're selling a house for $500k and I offer you $490k , you can decline my offer and we both move on or you can counter my offer back to $500k or below.  There are buyers that may go way over original asking because it's in their desired school district or in an affluent neighborhood (worst house in the best neighborhood scenario), etc. 

That's exactly right, plus in a "hot" market it's almost impossible to get a house unless you bid well over asking price. For example in Seattle in the last couple of years most houses are selling $50k+ over asking price, with inspections and contingencies waived. It's that crazy.

[sskrill]

Philadelphia Dude Bros.

I liked the kid buying and I get wanting roommates to offset expenses but dragging those 3 along for your house hunt?  No.  Bring your dad. Or someone with a lick of sense.

The kid buying seemed really well informed about assets and deficencies in each house - and he had a good idea of what would be important in the market but the stupid friends complaining about the bannister ... omg stfu.

"This might be a good house if we were .... 33."  Yes, those 33 year olds and their retirement shacks.

[Pickles]

I liked the young guys in Philadelphia. Crazy, as you said, for them all to troop through the houses. Yes, bring a parent or someone with house buying experience. Hopefully, the parents were behind the scenes advising. I thought the guys came across as good kids (young men). No drunken frat boy vibes or entitled behavior. Pretty remarkable that the four seemed to get along so well. 

[mojito]

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The kid buying seemed really well informed about assets and deficencies in each house - and he had a good idea of what would be important in the market but the stupid friends complaining about the bannister ... omg stfu.

"This might be a good house if we were .... 33."  Yes, those 33 year olds and their retirement shacks.

I rolled my eyes a lot during this episode. These guys knew all the house hunting buzzwords. It almost seemed that they took time out of their 25-year old lives to study because they sure were spouting things like "cherry cabinets", "coffered ceilings", "laminate" vs "granite or quartz". 

They were nice enough guys, didn't seem like they were trying to establish a frat house. At the end, one older person (a parent, I surmised) stated that he was "proud" of the buyer. For the choice of house, I hope, not for scrimping and saving for years for the down payment for the home. 

[laredhead]

It was good business sense to have 3 roommates to help pay the mortage, but it seems to me that after a year or so, that arrangement could become a constant revolving door of occupants as the roommates move away for jobs or meet a woman and decide to marry, etc.  I agree with Mojito that the purchaser had taken a crash course in HH terms, or else he was a house hunting junkie.  I wonder if he put a door to his bedroom at the bottom of the stairs.  BTW, seldom are the other bedrooms in a house going to be as large as the master, so in situations like this roommates should not expect a large room.  I noticed that the guy who got the bedroom w/o a closet was making do with a clothes rack and some plastic containers.

[Ohwell]

Philly guys:  I noticed in the final scene when friends and family were there, the real estate agent was there also.  I'm guessing she was the buyer's relative (who may or may not have been an agent).

[Empress1]

10 hours ago, sskrill said:

Philadelphia Dude Bros.

I liked the kid buying and I get wanting roommates to offset expenses but dragging those 3 along for your house hunt?  No.  Bring your dad. Or someone with a lick of sense.

The kid buying seemed really well informed about assets and deficencies in each house - and he had a good idea of what would be important in the market but the stupid friends complaining about the bannister ... omg stfu.

"This might be a good house if we were .... 33."  Yes, those 33 year olds and their retirement shacks.

Those are exactly the kinds of guys who live in Manayunk - new residents tend to be very young. Very popular with recent college grads. The main drag through the neighborhood is literally called Main Street and there are a lot of bars, restaurants, and shopping there. You might indeed get tired of living in Manayunk by 33 (but that doesn't mean you'd flee for the suburbs!) Parking is a big issue there because the streets are really narrow and Manayunk is very hilly; it's a bitch in snow and ice. It's also right next to the river so there have been flooding issues. 

That arrangement will work through the remainder of their 20s, probably, until they start settling down. But that's the kind of area where there tends to be a steady influx of young people, so he'll be fine selling it if he doesn't want to stay. That negative comment about the bannister made me mad - I thought the bannister was gorgeous.

23 hours ago, Kohola3 said:

The stairs?  Ridiculous.  I know millennials that bought brownstones with half that number of steps thinking it was so "cool" and the climb would keep them in shape.  Most bailed out after a year.  Lugging groceries up and baby equipment down?  That will wear thin VERY quickly. I want a follow up to see if they actually stayed.  I'm betting a big not.

I lived in a 5th floor walkup rental for three years and I actually loved the apartment (it was a great deal price-wise and I loved the neighborhood so the pros outweighed the stair con) but it certainly wasn't something I was looking for in a place! And with a baby on the way, in an area that gets ice and snow?? No way, that was a stupid buy. And if they're flipping, those stairs are going to be a big deterrent.

[juliet73]

11 hours ago, sskrill said:

 

 

"This might be a good house if we were .... 33."  Yes, those 33 year olds and their retirement shacks.

I'm glad they weren't near a cemetery, he would have thought it was a neighborhood for 50 year olds. 

[chessiegal]

2 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Philly guys:  I noticed in the final scene when friends and family were there, the real estate agent was there also.  I'm guessing she was the buyer's relative (who may or may not have been an agent).

She is a real estate agent.

http://jenniferlebow.com/

[biakbiak]

The real estate agent used to always show up in the final scene even if they weren't related.

[chocolatine]

I thought the Philly bros were a nice bunch overall, even though they did say some eyeroll-worthy things. It's certainly smart for the 25-year old to start building equity now, so that when at the ripe old age of 33 he decides to move out to the 'burbs, he can sell this place and have a nice nest egg.

5 hours ago, laredhead said:

I noticed that the guy who got the bedroom w/o a closet was making do with a clothes rack and some plastic containers.

That looked functional but not very attractive. An armoire would have looked much nicer.

[Pickles]

Just now watching the Nutley couple. Her long hair and the kitchen scenes with her cooking. Ack! Put that hair up or tie it back. 

[twinks]

The Nutley couple: I don't remember hearing what town the 3rd house was in. There are so many options within  minutes of Nutley in their price range.  Not sure why they didn't look into neighboring towns. Obviously they were set on Nutley.

[KLovestoShop]

I tend to not like the shows where one guy is buying a house and then renting to a bunch of friends.  Yes, they're going to pay rent, but they're not putting out the large cash outlay, and they're not the one who's ultimately responsible.  If these guys want a hopping neighborhood, then go out on your own and live in your hopping area.  If you want a more modern, go find your own place.  And, if you need 5 bedrooms, you're not going to have 5 big bedrooms. These dudes want what really doesn't exist at their price point.  

Edited May 21, 2017 by KLovestoShop

[SanDiegoInExile]

On 5/19/2017 at 11:43 AM, camom said:

With the Nutley couple, I had to laugh when she said she wanted a 2 story house because she didn't want anyone breaking in to the bedroom.  When her fiance pointed out that, even with a 2 story house, someone could break into the house, and she said that they couldn't.  I assume she meant that they couldn't break directly into the bedroom.  Apparently in her world bad guys are not capable of climbing stairs.

I thought she made an excellent point.  One of the perks in not sleeping on the ground floor is that you can leave windows open, either at night or while at work during the day.  It's the one thing I loathe about my current single-level ground floor location. I always loved having my bedroom on the second floor or higher (in apartment buildings).  If a burglar/murderer is going to go to all the trouble of climbing in a second floor window, with no roof/tree access, I'll give him some props.  Even though I live in a very safe area, I would never dream of even leaving my tiny bathroom window open at night while sleeping on the ground level.

Edited May 21, 2017 by SanDiegoInExile

[AnnaRose]

18 hours ago, SanDiegoInExile said:

I thought she made an excellent point.  One of the perks in not sleeping on the ground floor is that you can leave windows open, either at night or while at work during the day.  It's the one thing I loathe about my current single-level ground floor location. I always loved having my bedroom on the second floor or higher (in apartment buildings).  If a burglar/murderer is going to go to all the trouble of climbing in a second floor window, with no roof/tree access, I'll give him some props.  Even though I live in a very safe area, I would never dream of even leaving my tiny bathroom window open at night while sleeping on the ground level.

That's what I've always thought too.  I hated having a bedroom on the first floor because I couldn't have my window open at night.  Of course someone could still get in an open window upstairs... but they'd have to have a ladder, which would cut down on opportunistic crime.  And sure, a criminal could break a window or kick in a door or something... but that's besides the point of feeling more comfortable with an open bedroom window when it's on the second or higher floor.

[Babalooie]

From Family of Five Seek Larger Home in Tampa S112 - Ep 11 repeating today from 8/25/16: 

As a teacher, it was irritating to hear the wife say, "My husband is not the most handiest in the world."  As much as the producers feed dialogue ideas to them, they should have caught that.  The houses were typical Florida houses.  I live in one a couple of hours away from them.

[mojito]

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As much as the producers feed dialogue ideas to them, they should have caught that. 

You give producers a lot more credit than I do.

[mojito]

San Jose couple.

Yes, I know people are coached into what to say. The wife delivered one of the more inane comments: she remarked that the shower didn't have a shower curtain.

They had pretty lousy choices.

[jcbrown]

I thought the San Jose couple should have bought the first home if they were interested in building equity. They were among the worst actors we've seen on this show. I'm sure I would also be terrible at pretending I had not already selected a house so I felt for them in that regard.

[DkNNy79]

48 minutes ago, jcbrown said:

I thought the San Jose couple should have bought the first home if they were interested in building equity. They were among the worst actors we've seen on this show. I'm sure I would also be terrible at pretending I had not already selected a house so I felt for them in that regard.

I'm with you.  I loved the interior of the first house, they could bike/take mass transit to work and it was under budget.

[camom]

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The wife delivered one of the more inane comments: she remarked that the shower didn't have a shower curtain.

Yes, that was pretty dumb.  I was thinking that if the cost of a shower curtain and rod are going to break the bank, perhaps you shouldn't be buying a house.  (If I was buying a house, I'd want to replace the shower curtain anyway.)

[msrachelj]

On 5/18/2017 at 0:16 PM, preciousperfect said:

Springfield is a very depressed area. We drive thru once a year because they have an awesome fair every summer. Other than that, not sure what else goes on there.

I have been there also and I'm surprised they cost as much as they did. The first house was disgusting, the other two were very nice though. 

[Pickles]

The St. Paul episode that just aired. They buyer had to be able to lie down in the shower, because he sleeps while showering. Seriously, he had to come up with this ridiculous quirk for the show. And, disgustingly, he would lie down in the shower in each house to test them out. He seemed like a total dope. His wife just kept smiling.

[AnnaRose]

2 hours ago, Pickles said:

The St. Paul episode that just aired. They buyer had to be able to lie down in the shower, because he sleeps while showering. Seriously, he had to come up with this ridiculous quirk for the show. And, disgustingly, he would lie down in the shower in each house to test them out. He seemed like a total dope. His wife just kept smiling.

Sleeps while showering?  WTF???

[AuntiePam]

2 hours ago, Pickles said:

The St. Paul episode that just aired. They buyer had to be able to lie down in the shower, because he sleeps while showering. Seriously, he had to come up with this ridiculous quirk for the show. And, disgustingly, he would lie down in the shower in each house to test them out. He seemed like a total dope. His wife just kept smiling.

He couldn't have been for real.  Not just the sleep-shower thing, but thinking that the walls in an old house would be so thick that the WiFi wouldn't work.   He had to be putting us on. 

[Pickles]

2 minutes ago, AuntiePam said:

He couldn't have been for real.  Not just the sleep-shower thing, but thinking that the walls in an old house would be so thick that the WiFi wouldn't work.   He had to be putting us on. 

I agree! His wife had this look on her face like she was in on "the game" he was obviously playing for the show--kind of like she was just amused by his quirky behavior. I thought he came across as an idiot. He also was hung up on living within walking distance to the hockey stadium. I just kept thinking who on earth would ever marry this guy, so I wondered about her too. Lol.

[camom]

He definitely came across as an idiot.    The whole having to be close to the hockey stadium was really odd.  I missed the first few minutes so I thought perhaps he worked there, but no, he's just weird.

[KLovestoShop]

The Minnesota husband was a giant idiot.  Who lays down in a shower to sleep?  And his lunacy about building a hockey rink in the back yard is insane.  Does he realize how expensive that would be?  We're hockey nuts, but we never gave the distance to the arena a second thought when we bought our house.  I question his behavior, in general.  

[KAOS Agent]

The guy wanting to be within walking distance of the X was the stupidest "want" I've seen on this show. It was like it was only in there so that they could pretend that the other suburban houses were not right. The wife is clearly attending classes on the St Paul campus, so why not act like they wanted to be close to school? The wi-fi thing was equally dumb, but I guess that was all they could come up with where the suburban homes met the criteria and the older home didn't. When they only looked at one St Paul house, it was clear that that was the one they were picking.

[mojito]

Coming from a drought-prone state, I just wanted to slap that shower sleeper silly. 

Also, he just didn't look like the kind of guy who could skate, let alone play hockey. 

[DkNNy79]

Yeah, that MN guy was all sorts of weird.  So many stupid quirks.  I knew they were going to pick the 1st house because of his "need" to be close to the stadium.

[juliet73]

Yes, MN husband was a complete tool! He bitched about the wifi, the distance to the stadium, the one car garage, etc. When his wife mentions she doesn't like the red paint, he tells her to stop being so negative. Seriously?! I knew they were going to pick that house just because of the proximity to the stadium. I didn't understand why he was soooo obsessed over it though. Did he work there? Did he want to walk to the games? Is he a total selfish jerk? No. No. Yes. Don't even get me started on the shower issue. 

[QuinnM]

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Yes, MN husband was a complete tool! He bitched about the wifi, the distance to the stadium, the one car garage, etc. When his wife mentions she doesn't like the red paint, he tells her to stop being so negative.

First, yes he is an idiot.  And the red paint remark was ack.  BUT - first he is right about the wifi on multiple floors with tin roofs.  It's weird but true.  And one car garage is crazy.  If two cars have to start you will spend a fortune and half you life plugging your car into a socket so it will start.  And I'm with the wife.  If it's not an attached garage that running with a baby on ice and snow in -4/-20 wind chill is all kinds of bad.

And many a lovely back yard is trashed every winter around here for the rink.  But if you don't have kids out there every day it's a waste of time.

Sleeping in the shower?  He needs therapy.

[laredhead]

Well, once again last night my DVR recorded a new Houston episode and not the St. Paul episode I was looking froward to seeing after reading all of the comments about the HH's.  

The Houston couple struck me as very level headed for a couple of first time buyers and at only 26 years old they had a budget of $400,000.  No drama from either of them, so the episode was definitely not as "exciting" as the St. Paul episode.   I was disappointed in 2 of the 3 choices they were shown.  The single family house for $300,000 needed some work to bring it up to date and make it more attractive on the inside.  The first place was a condo located next to the loop/interstate and the traffic noise was unreal.  It also had a monthly fee of over $400!!

I wish I could figure out the scheduling of HH in my area of the country.  I'll try to locate the St. Paul episode, because I certainly do not want to miss someone who likes to nap in the shower and must live within spitting distance of a hockey rink.    

[StatisticalOutlier]

Those two guys in Palm Springs are pinging my gaydar. 

The house they chose was impressive, but didn't really appeal to me.  It seemed kind of cold, even though I'm a fan of spare decorating.  And I think I would have preferred their previous neighborhood, where the movie stars had their houses--it's full of mid-century modern houses.  It was a feast when I drove around it a few years ago.

[mojito]

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 I'll try to locate the St. Paul episode, because I certainly do not want to miss someone who likes to nap in the shower and must live within spitting distance of a hockey rink.  

Red, I restored these two deleted programs on my DVR so I could get this program information just for you:

On Thursday evening, my DVR recorded two new episodes of House Hunters.

7:00. St. Paul. S124: E1

9:00. Houston. S126:E11

Stew on that for awhile. I have Frontier FiOS (fiber). Could it be the technology that makes my DVR able to record "new" programs despite conflicting program information? If you have fiber also, I'm out of guesses.

[laredhead]

Thanks for the info Mojito, but I looked at the TV Guide which seems to follow the AT&T Uverse (my cable provider) programming in my area and Flipping Vegas and Flip or Flop were aired here.  I have been checking the programming real time just to make sure I'm not missing new episodes of HH.  It's still my favorite.  I'm tired of all of the flipping shows because they are all alike in most cases - good looking wife with blonde hair, brawny or goofy husband and same formula.  I then went to the HGTV website to find the episodes and their website isn't very helpful.  There is a link to some of the episodes, but not all of them.  I have yet to figure out the rhyme or reason behind their organization, and when I tried to click on a few to watch them, the link was empty and nothing happened.  Oh well,when I'm 90 and in "the home", I'm going to instruct my son to turn the TV channel to HGTV 24/7 and maybe eventually I'll see all of the new episodes that I missed.   

[chessiegal]

If you have a tablet or smart phone you can download the HGTV app - they have recent programs there. You need to sign in through your cable provider, and you're stuck watching ads , but that's how I catch recent episodes I've missed.