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ChicksDigScars
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“I wish the Shibutanis were [in Milan] because last year I gave them my medal,” Donohue said, “and I don’t plan on doing that this year.” Uhhh..what? Yeah, and they gave you their National title

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I get that figure skating is a jumping sport right now, and Alyssa Lui is the best chance for competing with the Russians, but damn, Mariah Bell’s free skate is the reason I find this sport so compell

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I do love the Shibs, but it still would have been an obnoxious thing to say about any team, not just them. It implies that they didn’t earn their medal. That they didn’t work for it. That their two cl

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iMonrey

iMonrey

Just finished watching the pairs final. Miura and Kihara skate with such amazing speed. I think I probably would have given it to them over Stellato-Dudek & Deschamps but I'm still happy for them. Really liked Hocke & Kunkel too, wish they had place higher than 5th.

Teams from Russia skating for other countries. Seems like a bit of cheat to me, but I don't make the rules.

Something I noticed just now is that pairs don't do side by side spins in the long program anymore. I wonder why. Probably something to do with points I guess but it seems like an important element for pairs. 

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iMonrey

iMonrey

13 hours ago, Avaleigh said:

Amber...I just want her to realize one day that she can do this.

Can she? When? How many chances does she need? How many years have people been talking about her "potential" only to see it unrealized season after season? I knew she'd blow it. She always does. She only won Nationals because Isabeau fell all over the place. She actually had a better free skate here than she did at Nationals. It speaks to what a weak field of ladies' singles we have in the US. 

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Avaleigh

Avaleigh

38 minutes ago, Good Queen Jane said:

Very glad to see Donovan do so well. He’s had such a series of unfortunate events. I hope he’s able to stay around through the 2026 Olympics. 

I don't follow Donovan--did he have an injury? I think he's really improved the past three years. 

As far as the skating countries that don't get as much attention, I feel Italy and Estonia both have a nice group of skaters right now. Georgia is basically Russia lite, but collectively they seem like they'll be competitive in the team event. 

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CeeBeeGee

CeeBeeGee

I was absolutely BLOWN AWAY by Ilia's free skate! God, he's incredible! I can't believe he made one of those combinations--in the second half, I believe!--even harder! So proud of him and all the other medalists (go, C/B!!!!!). What a great Worlds!

(And I didn't miss the dopers one bit. I feel bad for the kids that don't know what they're getting into and whose coaches pushed them into it but that stuff has to be punished. And yes, I know the reason they're banned is because of the war. Still.)

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iMonrey

iMonrey

14 hours ago, Avaleigh said:

Adam jumped from 19th to third!

And NBC didn't even show it. Is it on Peacock?

Ilia was amazing, I was on the edge of my seat through the whole thing. I had a feeling Shoma was going to be in trouble, you could see him popping jumps and looking tense in the warmup. Yuma is amazing too but there is something slightly frantic about the way he skates, it's almost like he's going too fast.

2 hours ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

Well, I guess we know who is going to win the Gold in the Olympics in two years…

Don't jinx it. A lot can happen in two years, especially in a sport like this. All those quads are going to take a toll on his body. 

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annzeepark914

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You'd think NBC would've shown Adam's skate-from-hell, 19th to the podium--an athletic achievement just made for TV, right? But no. I guess this was their way of thumbing their noses at those of us who won't pay for Peacock. Unbelievable 🤬. I sure do miss the days when ABC covered skating. Better camera work and better coverage. ABC would've have loved playing Adam's LP over & over...a Wide World of Sports miracle type of coverage. What was that show's motto?

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Maelstrom

Maelstrom

51 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

You'd think NBC would've shown Adam's skate-from-hell, 19th to the podium--an athletic achievement just made for TV, right? But no. I guess this was their way of thumbing their noses at those of us who won't pay for Peacock. Unbelievable 🤬. I sure do miss the days when ABC covered skating. Better camera work and better coverage. ABC would've have loved playing Adam's LP over & over...a Wide World of Sports miracle type of coverage. What was that show's motto?

I haven't gotten to watch the men yet - did they not show Adam's LP on broadcast?

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annzeepark914

annzeepark914

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46 minutes ago, Maelstrom said:

I haven't gotten to watch the men yet - did they not show Adam's LP on broadcast?

Nope. Last night they had two hours (bless their hearts) to cover Men's LP. The first half hour, they showed some SP's of men's & a couple of the women's LP's. And C/B's FD. To me, this shows their lack of interest in this sport. They could've made it an exciting 4 minutes, a sort of "wait'll ya see this!" moment of unforgettable athletic determination. 

Just found Adam's LP - link is below.  It looked much better on my phone than on my laptop.

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SeanC

SeanC

On 3/22/2024 at 10:40 PM, iMonrey said:

Something I noticed just now is that pairs don't do side by side spins in the long program anymore. I wonder why. Probably something to do with points I guess but it seems like an important element for pairs. 

The 2018 rules changes cut time from the men's and pairs free programs so that they're the same length as women and dance, and as a result each lost an element; for men in was the eighth jumping pass (they now do seven, like the women) and for pairs it was the side-by-side spins.

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CeeBeeGee

CeeBeeGee

23 hours ago, SophiaD said:

I don't think I've ever seen a program like Ilia's.  That was remarkable.  He completely nailed all of those quads and his artistry is coming along brilliantly.  

I'm just glad I was able to witness that.  

YES. I feel privileged! I was standing in front of the TV just awestruck, utterly engaged.

 

11 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Don't jinx it. A lot can happen in two years, especially in a sport like this. All those quads are going to take a toll on his body. 

A part of me wants to get a Stars on Ice ticket if he's on the bill but then I realized--it's because I want to see the 4A in person. But it's not worth it for Ilia to throw such a difficult jump for an exhibition tour. Stay safe and healthy, Ilia!

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17 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

You'd think NBC would've shown Adam's skate-from-hell, 19th to the podium--an athletic achievement just made for TV, right? But no. I guess this was their way of thumbing their noses at those of us who won't pay for Peacock. Unbelievable 🤬. I sure do miss the days when ABC covered skating. Better camera work and better coverage. ABC would've have loved playing Adam's LP over & over...a Wide World of Sports miracle type of coverage. What was that show's motto?

I found it weird too.  I found it on YouTube but could not believe they skipped that one.

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Good Queen Jane

Good Queen Jane

I wonder if NBC had its own cameras at Montreal. Peacock shows the ISU World feed (with their wonderful commentators) and covers all competitors, but if NBC just uses the ISU cameras, they might not have had the time or the rights to edit the feed to show Adam's free skate (which took place a little over an hour before.) Even if they had their own cameras, they may not have been filming the Not Ready for Primetime skaters in the first two groups. At Nationals, the NBC camera crews usually don't even show up until the "name" skaters are scheduled.

Adam's free skate is why I always watch the earlier groups. There are often fantastic performances from little known skaters. They may never make it close to the medal podium, but there are some great innovators out there. It's well worth spending the money to watch them on Peacock.

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ML89

ML89

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8 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

If we take up a collection, do you suppose we could enforce a moratorium on Johnny using the words "marshmallow knees" and "sprinkles?"

Also, what the hell was he talking about when he was calling specific jumps 1620 or 1530 or whatever the hell he was going on about? I assume it's some sort of sports analogy I'm not familiar with.

He was referencing skateboard/snowboard terminology - those sports call their rotational jumps by reference to 360 degree multiples instead of just single/double/triple rotation.

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Tippi

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This was a very good Worlds competition.  I thought the medalists in each category skated diverse and enjoyable programs.  Can't quibble about the results, each was a deserving winner.

What can I say about Ilia's skate that hasn't already been said?  It was just mind blowingly phenomenal.  Quad God for sure! Major props to him for doing this under pressure.  Where does he go from here?  Unimaginable to think of what more he can do technically.  A quad-quad combo is probably on tap.

I was very glad to see Isabeau put out two excellent programs and win the silver.  Her beautiful balletic style is so lovely to watch!  I noticed that her tech score in the long program dropped from around 74 in the boxes prejudging to 68 after.  Far be it from Johnny or Tara to explain that, so I am thinking she got hammered in GOE and/or judge discretion on what to take off for edge calls on the lutzes.  I wish Raf could help her with her jump technique, she's got everything else down pat.

 

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annzeepark914

annzeepark914

1 hour ago, ML89 said:

He was referencing skateboard/snowboard terminology - those sports call their rotational jumps by reference to 360 degree multiples instead of just single/double/triple rotation.

Sheesh. Figure skating is not skateboard or snowboard and JW shouldn't be using those sports' terminologies. As commentators, he and Tara need to be carefully explaining what skaters are accomplishing, what mistakes they're making, so that viewers have a better idea what the scores are reflecting. Not all viewers are familiar with scoring, what GOE's are, etc , and throwing in these other terms is confusing.

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ChicksDigScars

ChicksDigScars

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On 3/23/2024 at 8:52 PM, Avaleigh said:

As far as the skating countries that don't get as much attention, I feel Italy and Estonia both have a nice group of skaters right now. Georgia is basically Russia lite, but collectively they seem like they'll be competitive in the team event. 

Is that who Eteri's daughter is skating for now? First Russia, then the US, and now Georgia? Keep switching countries until you land on one that needs a Dance team (which made their jump to the U.S. odd. Yes, I know she was born here, but they didn't have a prayer of breaking onto the World Team at U.S. Nationals). Switch to Pairs if you want that, honey.

What a World's!! It was loaded with great performances in each discipline. Kind of makes the Russia Stans on social media, claiming that skating was dead without Russia and no one would watch without them, eat a huge bags of d*cks. 

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ML89

ML89

3 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

Sheesh. Figure skating is not skateboard or snowboard and JW shouldn't be using those sports' terminologies. As commentators, he and Tara need to be carefully explaining what skaters are accomplishing, what mistakes they're making, so that viewers have a better idea what the scores are reflecting. Not all viewers are familiar with scoring, what GOE's are, etc , and throwing in these other terms is confusing.

I’m guessing that he or someone thought that more young folks come over from those sports so it sounds cool for new viewers but could we get say Ben Agosto to make us an explainer on all of it? Although I watch snowboard stuff and am confused (I still don’t know how slalom works either). Sports need more explainer content, which seems to me to be a perfect thing to put on the NBC Sports website. 

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ML89

ML89

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9 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

Ben Agosto would be a perfect commentator. No silly remarks. Pure objective observations with simple explanations that all viewers could understand, no matter how into fs they are. 

My vote, since they did NOT take my suggestion that we should have seen Terry playing some basketball with Nathan Chen, is that they have Terry ask Ben to demo various edges and Johnny some jumps, for video. I know that they did that in those various "Ice" shows during the Olympics, and that should be posted somewhere. I think Scott or Brian or Ashley did some footwork demos. Why wasn't that extracted and posted?

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iMonrey

iMonrey

18 hours ago, Tippi said:

I noticed that her tech score in the long program dropped from around 74 in the boxes prejudging to 68 after.  Far be it from Johnny or Tara to explain that, so I am thinking she got hammered in GOE and/or judge discretion on what to take off for edge calls on the lutzes.  I wish Raf could help her with her jump technique, she's got everything else down pat.

One thing Johnny and/or Tara did point out is that Isabeau really lunges into all of her jumps. It's something I hadn't really noticed until they pointed it out. And afterwards I couldn't unsee it. It's sort of ungainly. I don't know if that affected her technical score or not though.

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ML89

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2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

One thing Johnny and/or Tara did point out is that Isabeau really lunges into all of her jumps. It's something I hadn't really noticed until they pointed it out. And afterwards I couldn't unsee it. It's sort of ungainly. I don't know if that affected her technical score or not though.

I know she usually lands them, but she leans so far forward on some of those takeoffs, I keep waiting for her to pitch forward!

justmehere

justmehere

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I was so sad for Shoma. His skating is so beautiful, so fluid, and I hoped he'd at least be on the podium. Maybe the pressure of trying for a 3rd World Championship was an issue; who knows. But he was all smiles, even right after, which is amazing. I remember - I think it was 2019 - where he sat alone in the K&C after having fallen multiple times, crying. Working with Stephane has been a really positive thing for him. --It's selfish, but I hope he doesn't retire and can skate next year without pressure. 

I loved Deniss' blues FS and was dismayed when I read that he was changing it for Worlds, but his performance was amazing. It was Lion King wasn't it? Much higher energy than Hallelujah would allow.

Congrats to Jason for maintaining 5th at Worlds. 

Edit to add: Here's a translated interview with Shoma. He sounds so good and so at peace with himself:

 

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