S07.E12: Lord Of The Manor

[izabella]

This would be so much easier to examine if Sonja was the Kim Richards type. Belligerent, loud, mean drunk. But I see two sides to Sonja when she does scenes on this situation with Bethenny and her talking head. I couldn't believe how she deflected all what Bethenny said into Bethenny's problem when it's her drinking in question. She didnt even listen to a single thing Bethenny said any how. I felt semi gaslit! Im just trying figure out why it was the time, on day 1, of the trip to have intervention. Unless I missed something in the editing was Sonja already wasted especially when she and Ramona started to argue. Im confused! Is Sonja drinking to self medicate from her troubles? Is she functioning alcoholic? Or does she drink to let loose once in awhile?

 

I'm not at all surprised that Sonja claimed that Beth was projecting her issues onto Sonja.  That's exactly the same thing Sonja said the last time Beth talked to her about her batshit crazy behavior in Atlantic City.  Sonja didn't listen to a word and certainly took nothing in.

Ramona and the yellow bikini

 

Ramona has a beautiful body for any age.

She definitely toned up with her vigorous apres Mario work outs.

 

I think it was the yellow bikini that was the problem.

It was the cut, color, and the fit.

Ramona is petite and curvy.

The bathing suit - wasn't tied right - and she ended up looking like she was shaped like a 2 by 4

 

The heels didn't help, she bends her knees and braces for balance...and it doesn't help that she walks like Mrs. Whiggins

 

She doesn't have a gut, muffin top or pooch...the cut of the bikini and the macrame dress make her look bloated - and she definitely is not, I've seen her many times in the UES - she be tiny and a skinny mini

 

Ramona looked barrel-chested in her bikini.  I have no idea how she managed that since she is actually fit and toned (and probably strategically lipo-sucked), but she totally looked like those guys with skinny legs and barrel chests.  I think the heels were a MAJOR problem because of the way they changed her center of gravity and she had to stick her chest out and ass backward in order to stand upright. 

Edited June 24, 2015 by izabella

[trimthatfat]

Why are Ramona & Sonja so afraid of getting their hair wet?  Do they have extensions or weaves or full wigs on their heads?  If my hair gets wet accidentally and I plan to go somewhere, I use a blow dryer.to fix it.  Is it a phobia thing that they don't like water on their faces?  So many things about these two baffle me, but this freak out over wet hair is in the top 5.

 

I don't get it either, particularly since Ramona got into the pool with no issues. I'm pretty sure her hair got wet and she didn't complain about it.

[izabella]

Didn't you love how {Ramona] apologizes to Beth and tells Lu she doesn't count so no apologies for her. That's one of the reasons I don't care if Lu takes shots at Mona.

 

Oh, yes, I caught that.  Ramona made it very clear who is the star of the show and who she needs to suck up to.  Beth rates a (fake) apology, but Lu and Kristin do not.

[barbedwire]

Ramona and the yellow bikini

 

Ramona has a beautiful body for any age.

She definitely toned up with her vigorous apres Mario work outs.

 

I think it was the yellow bikini that was the problem.

It was the cut, color, and the fit.

Ramona is petite and curvy.

The bathing suit - wasn't tied right - and she ended up looking like she was shaped like a 2 by 4

 

The heels didn't help, she bends her knees and braces for balance...and it doesn't help that she walks like Mrs. Whiggins

 

She doesn't have a gut, muffin top or pooch...the cut of the bikini and the macrame dress make her look bloated - and she definitely is not, I've seen her many times in the UES - she be tiny and a skinny mini

Yes!  I was trying to think of what her weird walk reminded me.  Good old Mrs. Whiggins.

 

Lu - luv ya but that song so much NO!  Victoria looked good and dances well.  Hated Lu's outfit too and she is my favorite Howife.

[ScoobieDoobs]

In case anyone missed it, here is the fabulous Luann performing her new single 'Girl Code' on WWHL w/ the adorable Victoria:

http://www.bravotv.c...os?clip=2876773

 

Oh my goodness, thanks for posting that dreadful thing.  I haven't changed my mind on second viewing.  And no, Lu, there will be no third viewing for me, thank you.  Horrible, horrible. horrible.  And not fun horrible.  Just painfully bad horrible.  Poor Victoria.  Why does it look so painful for the girl to break into a smile?  And that dress on Lu -- where her va-jay-jay is ready to come out & say hello?  Oy.  Even those cute boy dancers looked uncomfortable.  Maybe Satan Andy was hitting on 'em?  Did he book 'em for a private session later on?  Oh, those poor guys.  Maybe that's why they looked miserable.  Never knew or noticed bout Satan Andy -- he has zero rhythm.

[ryebread]

Where is this great edit that Bethenny is supposedly getting?  She's looking almost as bad as Heather at this point.

 

I agree her 'nurturing' of Sonja was more acceptable for lack of a better term than Heather's 'nurturing' of Beth, but the whole bit about the active wear was weird. 

 

Amy Phillips is soooooooo good. I loved the pic of the baby in utero as Sonjas boyfriend!!

I think Amy does Bethenny and Heather DuBrow (RHOC) the best.

 

Her Shannon Beador is my fave. Hands, face, voice = spot on.  "You can never close the BeaDOORS."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpZ0MQim_H4

[archer1267]

They were really hanging out in that "high end" Michael Kors dress.

 

 

OK, hoping someone more "in the know" with fashion can answer this. Since I routinely see Michael Kors in Macy's…and heck, even TJ Maxx at times…I'm not sure that talking about wearing a Michael Kors dress is all that impressive. Is it? I think Ramona knows that it isn't particularly so and that's why she threw "high end" in there. She's so gauche.

[biakbiak]

I don't get it either, particularly since Ramona got into the pool with no issues. I'm pretty sure her hair got wet and she didn't complain about it.

No, she was floating on pool noodles with her head dry and above the water and Sonja on some inflatable whale when she was in the pool. Ramona even said that they didn't want to get their hair wet.

[ZaldamoWilder]

OK, hoping someone more "in the know" with fashion can answer this. Since I routinely see Michael Kors in Macy's…and heck, even TJ Maxx at times…I'm not sure that talking about wearing a Michael Kors dress is all that impressive. Is it? I think Ramona knows that it isn't particularly so and that's why she threw "high end" in there. She's so gauche.

 

It tickles right? LOL!   I was like girl you're wearing a fishnet maxi dress, calm down.

[ScoobieDoobs]

And finally, Dorinda continues to be the best. I so enjoy her commentary.

 

She's OK.  I'm not sure if the luv, luv, luv for her is cuz we're only getting her in small doses.  Well, this is THE BETHENNY SHOW now, so we're mostly getting everyone in small doses, except maybe Moaner & Sonja.  And it looks like Sonja's role on this trip is to be roasted & toasted.  Guess it beats being stuck in NYC heat & humidity with no air conditioning.  Anyhoo, I'm wondering if Dorinda would start bugging me if they showed more of her.  Not sure.

 

I do know one thing,  Dorinda should ease up on posting on Twitter.  It's overload.  Makes her seem like a loon.  And if it really is Miss Eyebrows who is responsible for this nutty shit, then she should tell her to get a fuckin' job or make herself useful & volunteer with a charity.  When you're posting on Twitter 800 times a day, maybe someone has a wee bit too much free time?

Edited June 24, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[mwell345]

I fail to see how traveling anywhere with Ramona and Sonja could ever be considered a vacation.  They would wear me out, and I would have shoved that camera of Carol's where the sun doesn't shine.   It'd be enough that Bravo was sticking a camera in my face, must less one of my castmates.  Whatever point Carol is continually trying to make remains lost on me.

 

Bethenny, Bethenny, Bethenny  - ok, she tried (again) with Sonja and yes, I will give her credit because I would have walked away after 30 seconds but she doesn't need to be rude to LuAnn who's trying to get them to dinner.  And she doesn't need to "help" Heather with her clothing line. 

 

I'm pretty close to being over the whole lot of them. 

[trimthatfat]

No, she was floating on pool noodles with her head dry and above the water and Sonja on some inflatable whale when she was in the pool. Ramona even said that they didn't want to get their hair wet.

 

Okay.

 

OK, hoping someone more "in the know" with fashion can answer this. Since I routinely see Michael Kors in Macy's…and heck, even TJ Maxx at times…I'm not sure that talking about wearing a Michael Kors dress is all that impressive. Is it? I think Ramona knows that it isn't particularly so and that's why she threw "high end" in there. She's so gauche.

 

There's the Michael Michael Kors line (lower end) and Michael Kors (high end). The MMK line is what you see at TJ Maxx and Macy's. MK is what you see at high end stores like Neiman Marcus. Michael is worn by Heidi Klum and Jennifer Aniston on the red carpet - that line can go for 1K-2K for a dress.

[ScoobieDoobs]

So Bethenny goes out of her way to explain the crying again?  What the what?  Why even bother?  You know, someone in the thread for the last ep noted B probably actually only cried maybe 3 times this season.  And maybe that's true.  So why does it feel like she's cried 50 billion times?  If you know we hate seeing it, Bethenny, and you figure it's probably a big part of what's driving ratings to plummet into the toilet, why the excuses, hun?  Why include it at all?  And yeah, I am assuming B also had production control included in her contract with Satan Andy.

Edited June 24, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[ryebread]

In case anyone missed it, here is the fabulous Luann performing her new single 'Girl Code' on WWHL w/ the adorable Victoria:

http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-12/episode-12104/videos?clip=2876773

 

That skirt was an inch shy from showing everyone Luann's vagina.  Not attractive on anyone, regardless of their age, IMO.

 

Dude. Victoria looks wasted.  I imagine I would have to be too, in order to watch my mother do that on national teevee and to be her backup singer.  Girl has no rhythm.  And the male dancers.  Damn.  I always feel sorry for the young men that get humiliated in Andy's basement.  You just know that they're starving mactors that will do anything for a small paycheck and a little exposure. 

[trimthatfat]

Dude. Victoria looks wasted.  I imagine I would have to be too, in order to watch my mother do that on national teevee and to be her backup singer.  Girl has no rhythm.  And the male dancers.  Damn.  I always feel sorry for the young men that get humiliated in Andy's basement.  You just know that they're starving mactors that will do anything for a small paycheck and a little exposure. 

I honestly think the guys in the background were just plucked out of the street. They could not dance at all.

[Otherkate]

I found it really annoying how Sonja and Ramona were searching for the best room. Hello, ladies...this is clearly a gorgeous private home with enviable access to the water. You will not end up in a room in the basement covered in cobwebs and mysterious stains. Every room was the same. I did laugh when it was revealed that Lu, who was the slowest to choose a room, ended up with a private bathroom with a TUB. Hahaha. I've vacationed with a group and you know what we did when it came to room assignments? We walked around to each room and discussed who would sleep where. People were gracious and kind - 'Oh, you would prefer to be on the first floor because of your bad knee - no problem!'. We didn't throw our bags in rooms and yell 'MINE! ALL MINE!'. I can't believe these ladies are in their forties and fifties, but act like selfish children.

 

Oh dear lord, this is the most bizarre behavior. It's completely insane that they behave that way and think that it's excusable. I would have done exactly what Lu did - you're in a large, private house in T&C - how bad can it be? 

 

I was really confused at Bethenny telling Heather she should get into workout wear while holding Heather's Yummie workout wear in her hand, the Yummie workout wear she received in the Yummie gift bag.

 

I thought what she was getting at was more of a brand focus thing. Like, don't make 5 different types of clothing - shapewear, jeans, leggings, activewear, etc. and spread your brand so thin, but instead go all in on activewear because the market is prime and your activewear is really on point, it's a strength of yours. She also mentioned that she had a pair of Heather's jeans in black and loved them. I think that's what she was trying to say and I actually think she's right, however, it made me laugh since there are about 5 kajillion different products out there right now with the Skinnygirl brand on them. Frankly, she should take her own advice. It's rarely a good idea to dilute a brand.

 

 

Why are Ramona & Sonja so afraid of getting their hair wet?  Do they have extensions or weaves or full wigs on their heads?  If my hair gets wet accidentally and I plan to go somewhere, I use a blow dryer.to fix it.  Is it a phobia thing that they don't like water on their faces?  So many things about these two baffle me, but this freak out over wet hair is in the top 5.

 

Lu looks fabulous and so do all the ladies. Bethenny is a little on the skinny side, but these women can rock some fashions. I think Ramona's macrame dress would have looked better on Kristen, but she looked good.  Whoever said Ramona needs to learn how to walk is absolutely dead on.  No matter where she goes or what she's wearing Ramona always looks like she's clomping down a football field.  There's no elegance to it!

 

I hated Ramona's bikini and god knows I hated her tacky ass shoes and hair, but yes she looks great for her age. They all looked amazing, but I loved B's bikini. I agree with the poster who said Kristin would have looked better in Ramona's dress. I really hated that dress on Ramona, but Kristin would rock it like nobody's business. She's got the right hair for it too.

 

Bethenny must be crazy to think she actually got through to Sonja, because no you did not. I think Lu and Heather were both clearly thinking that and they're right. I mostly just wanted B to stop talking to Sonja so that she would get back to the table with the others. Lu and Bethenny are a favorite combo of mine and I wanted more of it. 

 

My favorite part of the night, by far, was the insane  moments at the pool. There's Ramona looking like a barrel in her yellow bikini and stripper heels, doing freaking squats with a weight like a god damned lunatic, while Sonja floats around on a dolphin that everyone is calling her whale. The whole thing was so surreal. This morning I thought back to that moment which was intercut with Bethenny asking Lu "where are we, Muscle Beach?" and I could not stop laughing. 

Edited June 24, 2015 by Otherkate

[sasha206]

If y'all think that's a gut, I'd hate for you to see my two c-section belly at 34.

 

Amen.

 

She's got a fantastic body at any age in my opinion.  She has a small gut that I think is just accentuated by her walking like a linebacker.  To be her age and have only that be her body weakness is pretty incredible. 

 

The only thing I will critique her on body wise is that I think she's strutting around in the bikini, hooker heels, doing the weights thing, then being nude under a macrame dress is her  wave to Mario:  "See how good I look!"  It sees a little desperate.

[Rottiemommie]

 

which is pretty funny since her own personal life is in shambles

 

 

Maybe that's exactly why.  She knows she can't fix herself so she is trying to fix Sonja. I've seen it happen before. It's like an addictions counselor who is still using or a marriage therapist in the middle of getting their own divorce.  They know all the tools but are unable to apply them to themselves.

[KungFuBunny]

Thank you for saving me paragraphs of writing.   Because I spend way too much time thinking about what ya'll are gonna say lol, I woke up this morning knowing that these interactions were different but wondering how so.  Stick with me for a minute:  the difference is the (legal) demarcation that determines whether an interaction at work meets the standard of sexual harassment or is simply an unfortunate misunderstanding.   That standard is whether or not the attention is welcome.  Why this is important is because in every instance in which Bethenny and Sonja have interacted, it is at Sonja's behest.   Sonja invited B to that sad ass dress marketing meeting thing.  Sonja turned to Bethenny in the club in Atlantic City when no one else would bother with her drunken ramblings.  The next morning, Sonja went to B's room to talk.  Last night Bethenny hadn't said or offered shit, Sonja turned to her and asked why everybody was being so mean.   It's not the same thing at all.   Bethenny has never once asked for Heather's attention nor intervention and, in fact, refused it when it was offered.    I'm not justifying B losing her patience with Sonja over and over again, because by now she's the one with enough sense to know not to keep fucking with her, BUT, I know how she gets to level 10 and I can't fault her for it.  Essentially yeah, if you're not going to shut the fuck up long enough to listen, what are you asking me anything for?   Not to cross-talk but on WWHL Andy asked Sonja if she were embarrassed by any of her episodes.  She said all of them.  And yet, she still looks at advice that she seeks as being attacked.  Girl. Bye.

Hi ZaldamoWilder:

 

Applause to your post.

I do think Bethenny came from a place of concern....as much as you can on a Reality TV show.

I don't think Bethenny was telling her to stop partying.

I think Bethenny wanted to tell her to be careful as she is crossing into dangerous territory but Sonja was too busy babbling and not listening

When the other ladies in this group are not around and you are out getting so shit faced and trying to make out with anything and everyone...you might pick the wrong person and have no backup. You might try to kiss a guy who has a girlfriend that WILL punch your lights outs OR worse...take a stranger home and not be able to get rid of him OR worse he could attack you, take your keys and let himself back in anytime he wants.

 

Sadly Sonja wasn't going to hear Bethenny or anyone else as she does NOT think she has a problem because nothing bad has happenned yet.

Even if Sonja is at that place of self awareness....she will never admit it ON camera...her persona for this show is rich socialite.

[sasha206]

Okay.

 

 

There's the Michael Michael Kors line (lower end) and Michael Kors (high end). The MMK line is what you see at TJ Maxx and Macy's. MK is what you see at high end stores like Neiman Marcus. Michael is worn by Heidi Klum and Jennifer Aniston on the red carpet - that line can go for 1K-2K for a dress.

 

Am I the only one that laughs when I see women with the tote bags and "MK" emblazoned on it?  Maybe they are THE BEST made totes for $200 gbut they look butt ugly to me and screams "I bought this with totes with MK because I want you all to be ipressed that I spent $200 for a tote bag."  I know $200 isn't much for people but $200 for someone's initials seems silly to me.  

Even though I don't think Bethenney is nearly the mess that Sonja is, it would be really hard for me to take a woman counsel me if nearly every time there is a gathering, she's in tears and defensive.  It's like "See how well I deal with hard times?  I tense up into a fucking mess so like you should totally take my lead here."

[WireWrap]

According to Carole? Cause of course she definitely has accurate information. It seems ABSOLUTELY believable that dude was still having the occasional fuck with Lu's niece right up to when he met Carole. Let's get real people. I find it so annoying when people use semantics as a way to justify things.

Both Carole and LuAnn say that the niece and Adam dated but broke up a year before Carole met him. The problem arose because the niece/Adam attended a birthday party together 6 months before filming, LuAnn assumed that meant they were back together and Adam claimed they went as friends only.

 

IMO, LuAnn thought she could use this, Adam/Carole dating, to turn fans away from Carole now because of something that happens in T&C, so we will soon find out what really pissed LuAnn off.

 

She's OK.  I'm not sure if the luv, luv, luv for her is cuz we're only getting her in small doses.  Well, this is THE BETHENNY SHOW now, so we're mostly getting everyone in small doses, except maybe Moaner & Sonja.  And it looks like Sonja's role on this trip is to be roasted & toasted.  Guess it beats being stuck in NYC heat & humidity with no air conditioning.  Anyhoo, I'm wondering if Dorinda would start bugging me if they showed more of her.  Not sure.

 

I do know one thing,  Dorinda should ease up on posting on Twitter.  It's overload.  Makes her seem like a loon.  And if it really is Miss Eyebrows who is responsible for this nutty shit, then she should tell her to get a fuckin' job or make herself useful & volunteer with a charity.  When you're posting on Twitter 800 times a day, maybe someone has a wee bit too much free time?

IMO, it is Dorinda tweeting most if not all of the time. She is not very nice on twitter and it seems she is quick to ban anyone that questions her. LOL

Edited June 24, 2015 by WireWrap

[ScoobieDoobs]

Where is this great edit that Bethenny is supposedly getting?

 

Not sure if anyone said she's getting great edit.  No, that ain't what I've noticed.  It's that the focus of the show is directly, directly, directly on Bethenny now.  Everything revolves around her & what she thinks & what she does.  Nobody else seems to matter much -- or they might, but only in terms of how they relate to Bethenny.  Yup, this is now officially THE BETHENNY SHOW.  Thanks a ton for that, Satan Andy.

[sasha206]

I just watched Luann "perform" her new song on last night's WWHL.  What in the sweet holy hell was that?????  My eyes and ears are bleeding now.  And I'm sorry, but that was not a flattering look for Luann.  That skirt was an inch shy from showing everyone Luann's vagina.  Not attractive on anyone, regardless of their age, IMO.

 

Oh Lu, time to give up the Ghost. I have second hand embarrassment for her.  She's a great looking woman who should be doing elegant things.  Not putting on a disco mini skirt and lip syncing to her autotuned dance music.  Awful.

[KungFuBunny]

Awesome description!! These moments are why I can never quit Ramona completely. She's not trying to be entertaining - she just IS by nature of her being a wackadoodle.

 

The shower explanation was weird, but I remembered that Ramonja "broke" the Dreschers' shower in Miami. I think it's all about keeping their hair dry, but there are shower caps and adjustable shower heads. It's not a foregone conclusion that your hair will get all wet.

 

The ladies (Ramona & Sonja) are not as well travelled as they claim - at least to 5 star accommodations.

The showers at the nicer hotels are like stepping into car washes for the body...there is a jet stream aiming at every crevice of your body along with the cascade coming straight down. Sounds to me like Sonja and Ramona are used to 2 knobs...one for hot and one for cold.

 

Do you remember Sonja at the market in Morocco? She was clutching her bag like she was going to be robbed. Not the behavior of a well seasoned traveller

[Pollock]

They had split up six months or 24 weeks before Carole started dating him. What I find funny is LuAnn sure doesn't act mad at Carole during filming, she waits, until the season starts and then acts all pushed put of shape.

LuAnn certainly knows how her job works. She has products to push, she needs publicity, she knows Carole is, well... hmmm... controversial amongst viewers to say the least so she's THE easy target for a feud where Luann has (or could have) a valid point for being pissy.

Sonja is sick and you can't fight with a sick woman without being the bad guy ; Heather and Bethenny are too intelligent for her ; Ramona is too crazy and will "go there" if she's pushed ; Dorinda is new so the jury is still out and Kristen is a non entity. 

Clever girl. 

[Mozelle]

According to Carole? Cause of course she definitely has accurate information. It seems ABSOLUTELY believable that dude was still having the occasional fuck with Lu's niece right up to when he met Carole. Let's get real people. I find it so annoying when people use semantics as a way to justify things.

 

From "The Chef is Out of the Bag":

 

LuAnn: He told my niece today, and I'm, like, going 'Oh, my God.'

Carole: I know, but they, like, broke up a very long time ago.

LuAnn: They did break up a while ago.

 

Where is this great edit that Bethenny is supposedly getting?  She's looking almost as bad as Heather at this point.

 

 

I get this image of Andy sitting in the editing bay with the editors, just cracking up at everything Bethenny says because she's his friend. He's probably, like, "Yeah, keep that in! It's hilarious!" Meanwhile, a segment of viewers are like, "What in all the hell? More Bethenny?!"

Edited June 24, 2015 by Mozelle

[WireWrap]

 

I thought what she was getting at was more of a brand focus thing. Like, don't make 5 different types of clothing - shapewear, jeans, leggings, activewear, etc. and spread your brand so thin, but instead go all in on activewear because the market is prime and your activewear is really on point, it's a strength of yours. She also mentioned that she had a pair of Heather's jeans in black and loved them. I think that's what she was trying to say and I actually think she's right, however, it made me laugh since there are about 5 kajillion different products out there right now with the Skinnygirl brand on them. Frankly, she should take her own advice. It's rarely a good idea to dilute a brand.

 

 

Heathers "active wear" line is still based on her "shape wear" line. They do the same things, shape, smooth out any lumps/bumps/lines. Both her shape wear (underclothes) and her active wear are very popular it seems and she is adding in a "lounge wear" line lather this year but everything ties back to shape wear.

 

Bethenny tried to do her own line of shape wear and it failed so she may have some shape wear envy going on LOL

[Midnight Cheese]

Ramona's got fabulous skin on her body but I'm positive she has newish, post-separation implants (that rack is much higher than it used to be, and rigid), and gets laser treatments and lipo or a lipo equivalent. '  (Sonja's belly skin shows me that she's had lipo - a less dramatic version of what happened to Tara Reid.)  I agree that Ramona's 'gut' is created by her cowboy-just-off-the-horse walk.  She cannot rock a pair of exquisite Lucite heels, manage a door, manage her towel, manage her blood alcohol content, and walk.  It's a gift she lacks, like brains and discretion and the ability to feel compassion for anyone not her or maybe her daughter. 

 

I keep forgetting Sonja was the hostess.  What an asshole!  Instead of just dealing with rooms herself, she and Ramona start their campaign.  I kind of hate that Ramona gets more blame - just because Sonja's chickenshit, why isn't it her fault too that these trips always begin with 'WE matter, you don't, that's the deal!'  She was the host or 'host'! 

 

I don't really understand how Sonja is viewed as having such a big heart or as Ramona's mere unwitting sidekick.  She is grossly selfish, classist and competitive (at LuAnn's launch, criticizing the party and the mannequin when she was only on Diet Coke!  Can't blame that bitchery on a blackout).  I assume it's a pass because she's pathetic?  I think that's worse not better a lot of the time.

 

TH of the episode was Sonja whining about her unfair treatment, where she said it was assumed by 'the girls' that 'Sonja will just marry a rich guy [again].'  HAHAHAHAHAHA!   Oh Sonja.  No one assumes that but you.  You think your divorce didn't send out the bat signal to every rich old dude in NYC that you aren't worth the legal fees?

Edited June 24, 2015 by Midnight Cheese

[Primetimer]

The New York gals' vacation to Turks and Caicos delivers everything you could want in a Housewives Bitch Trip: booze, screaming, and bugs crawling into nether regions.

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[KungFuBunny]

According to Carole? Cause of course she definitely has accurate information. It seems ABSOLUTELY believable that dude was still having the occasional fuck with Lu's niece right up to when he met Carole. Let's get real people. I find it so annoying when people use semantics as a way to justify things.

 

If we are to believe Carole - that Adam and Lu's niece broke up six months before the Hamptons gathering...we need to question why was Adam on RHNY to begin with? Did Luanne approach Adam to pretend to be her chef? Or did Adam approach Luanne to be on RHNY. I think Luanne/Adam/Lu's niece got together and came up with a plan to have him on...let it be known he and Lu's niece used to date, and somehow get Lu's niece on as a "friend" of HW and watch their reconciliation on screen. All to give Lu's niece and Adam a shot at placement on a Reality TV show. Carole screwed up their plans and made Adam a better offer as he would definitely get more airtime dating an actual HW than sticking with the niece of a HW.

 

Even if Lu's niece and Adam weren't scthupping anymore...I think she still had feelings for him.

[Leroux]

Thank you for saving me paragraphs of writing.   Because I spend way too much time thinking about what ya'll are gonna say lol, I woke up this morning knowing that these interactions were different but wondering how so.  Stick with me for a minute:  the difference is the (legal) demarcation that determines whether an interaction at work meets the standard of sexual harassment or is simply an unfortunate misunderstanding.   That standard is whether or not the attention is welcome.  Why this is important is because in every instance in which Bethenny and Sonja have interacted, it is at Sonja's behest.   Sonja invited B to that sad ass dress marketing meeting thing.  Sonja turned to Bethenny in the club in Atlantic City when no one else would bother with her drunken ramblings.  The next morning, Sonja went to B's room to talk.  Last night Bethenny hadn't said or offered shit, Sonja turned to her and asked why everybody was being so mean.   It's not the same thing at all.   Bethenny has never once asked for Heather's attention nor intervention and, in fact, refused it when it was offered.   

You nailed it!

Bethenny has never asked or wanted Heather's advice or fake concern and has been very clear about it since the get go.

Whether Sonja and Bethenny haven't seen each other in years is irrelevant, they have filmed together for a whole season before, they have reconnected, they have invited to each other meetings, they have had heart to heart conversations, they have bonded about their circumstances , their relationship is completely different that the non relationship that Bethenny has with Heather.

It was Sonja who included Bethenny in this discussion after Ramona stirrer the pot , it is okay if Ramona has concerns but she should have that talk with Sonja instead of revealing her disgraceful moments for fodder with the others, but once Sonja asked for Bethenny's input she is the one who asked for it, she didn't like what she was hearing but Sonja indeed involved Bethenny in that conversation.

IMO Bethenny was coming from a place of care and concern after hearing the other ladies talk about how Sonja behaves when she is drunk, she tried to get to her but obviously failed miserably because only Sonja can help Sonja.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Ramona's got fabulous skin on her body but I'm positive she has newish, post-separation implants (that rack is much higher than it used to be, and rigid), and gets laser treatments and lipo or a lipo equivalent. '  (Sonja's belly skin shows me that she's had lipo - a less dramatic version of what happened to Tara Reid.)  I agree that Ramona's 'gut' is created by her cowboy-just-off-the-horse walk.  She cannot rock a pair of exquisite Lucite heels, manage a door, manage her towel, manage her blood alcohol content, and walk.  It's a gift she lacks, like brains and discretion and the ability to feel compassion for anyone not her or maybe her daughter. 

 

I keep forgetting Sonja was the hostess.  What an asshole!  Instead of just dealing with rooms herself, she and Ramona start their campaign.  I kind of hate that Ramona gets more blame - just because Sonja's chickenshit, why isn't it her fault too that these trips always begin with 'WE matter, you don't, that's the deal!'  She was the host or 'host'! 

 

I don't really understand how Sonja is viewed as having such a big heart or as Ramona's mere unwitting sidekick.  She is grossly selfish, classist and competitive (at LuAnn's launch, criticizing the party and the mannequin when she was only on Diet Coke!  Can't blame that bitchery on a blackout).  I assume it's a pass because she's pathetic?  I think that's worse not better a lot of the time.

 

I have to go Zapruder the episodes because I haven't noticed anything about Moaner's rack but as one with some *cough* recent experience with surgical pursuit of milfhood lemme just say those could be hers - she might've had a lift, which, in the right surgeon's hands (intended) won't noticeably alter your size but will take your shit all the way up to kiss Jesus.  I'm just saying.

 

Sonja as the unwitting rube - the thing is, she's not malicious, bless her heart, so the stuff she voluntarily does with Ramona looks, to me, like she's enjoying herself, not even really aware that she's volunteering for co-assholery.  I don't know, the way friendship works in my circle, my real girls would not only refuse to engage in my foolishness, they'd stop me in my tracks.  I just don't think Sonja is the type.  A flouncy floozy inappropriate drunk, sure, but she's not assertive enough to deal with the likes of Ramona.  A damn sledgehammer couldn't do that.

[abbottrabbit]

The recap reminded me of my favorite line -- Dorinda's "that does not sound amenable" vis Sonja's Swami Priest friend. I'm going to start using it in my day to day life. 

 

"Can we get this project done today?" 

"That does not sound amenable." 

[KungFuBunny]

Yes!  I was trying to think of what her weird walk reminded me.  Good old Mrs. Whiggins.

 

Lu - luv ya but that song so much NO!  Victoria looked good and dances well.  Hated Lu's outfit too and she is my favorite Howife.

For a HW song...not so bad. Certainly better than On Display On Display and Google Me.

 

I can't wait for the video...might we see Jill Zarin - maybe Bawbee paid Luanne XXX to let Jill be part of the video

Victoria reminds me of Kristen Stewart...sulky face

 

Luanne's performance was delicious on WWHL...I couldn't stop laughing.

I think she wore that short skirt - so she can now say that's why I couldn't dance cause I'm classy

[zoeysmom]

I so want Ramona to be sentenced to a etiquette school.  There is just no way she has been able to survive this long in life without the words please and thank you in her vocabulary.  She has obviously watched herself for seven years and it doesn't hit home.   Just one of the rudest, loudest people I have ever seen. 

 

I have to go Zapruder the episodes because I haven't noticed anything about Moaner's rack but as one with some *cough* recent experience with surgical pursuit of milfhood lemme just say those could be hers - she might've had a lift, which, in the right surgeon's hands (intended) won't noticeably alter your size but will take your shit all the way up to kiss Jesus.  I'm just saying.

 

Sonja as the unwitting rube - the thing is, she's not malicious, bless her heart, so the stuff she voluntarily does with Ramona looks, to me, like she's enjoying herself, not even really aware that she's volunteering for co-assholery.  I don't know, the way friendship works in my circle, my real girls would not only refuse to engage in my foolishness, they'd stop me in my tracks.  I just don't think Sonja is the type.  A flouncy floozy inappropriate drunk, sure, but she's not assertive enough to deal with the likes of Ramona.  A damn sledgehammer couldn't do that.

i felt bad for Sonja when straight out the gate  Ramona claimed Sonja sleeps with everyone.  That is just no way to talk to a friend.  I can only imagine any man who has tried to have sex with Ramona had to deal with her flapping jaw, her attention span of gnat, her comparing them to Mario.  Rumor has it those who dared down the Ramona path of banging ended up lighting their hair on fire and taking a vow of abstinence.  

 

I am not certain how bad the mouth raping was by Sonja on the stylist's boyfriend but it would seem an able body man or woman would be able to tell her to knock it off and to take her lips elsewhere.  I can see where Sonja could feel encouraged to dance and kiss and if the others are offended they should individually tell Sonja, before she has had a drink they are offended when she starts hanging on them or trying to kiss her.   I think it would register with Sonja. Sonja doesn't like rejection sober or drunk.  For any of these women to go backwards and scold her is wrong.  BTW they had all been drinking before dinner and we saw a very mean Bethenny who had a few drinks and then at dinner sounded just like Ramona going on and on about ice in the wine.  Use a spoon take it out or ask for a new glass of wine.

Edited June 24, 2015 by zoeysmom

[KFC]

On the WWHL Aftershow, a caller asks Luann what she thought of Sonja and the swami shading her clothing line. For a moment, it looks like Luann is going to confront Sonja, but then everyone (Andy, Luann, and Dorinda) all seem to realize that it'd be yet another exercise in futility and that Sonja only remembers what the swami said.

 

About 50 seconds in:

http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-12/episode-12104/videos?clip=2876775

 

I kept hoping Sonja's brain hiccups were largely exaggerated for the show (you know, like Ramona's asshole behavior in picking a room), but if that clip is any indication, the delusion is real.

[Midnight Cheese]

I know it's just me and my deceased horse but I don't think Sonja is literally delusional -- she was cushioned by Morgan's wealth and then her settlement for a long-enough time to decide that is what she deserved.  Everything is someone else's fault.  Everyone else throws shade, not her.  She doesn't even remember what she said!  I don't think she's ruined her brain yet, just her character.

[ScoobieDoobs]

OK, something that I hadn't even thought about before, but -- WTF is Resident Magazine?  Is that one of those free throw-away thingies?  Sigh, the doormen in my building banished those things, so I don't get to see 'em anymore.  But I think they're avail in those dingy-looking rusted-out bins I'm kinda afraid touching.  Oh well, guess I'll never see a print-out of Lu's cover op.  

 

Er, and I guess I shouldn't ask this question, (but you know I will anyway), certainly given Sonja being on the cover of Latina Show Magazine -- but why exactly is Lu on the cover of Resident Magazine?  Maybe Resident Magazine just puts any random person on their cover and I actually might have a shot at it too -- given that I am "famous" here for witnessing & reporting back on the status of whether Sonja's windows are open?

 

Honestly, I just luv how these broads keep getting their mugs on the covers of mags I've never heard of.

 

Oh, one other question -- and this one's really, really, really troubling me -- and I'm not even sure I wanna know the answer to it.  Just asking it is important to me tho.  Er, um, um, um, just who is Lu having this "mind-blowing" sex with -- and how old is this person?  Sonja young?  Oh, maybe I don't wanna know the answer.  Wait -- could it be Harry?  Ew.

Edited June 24, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[ZaldamoWilder]

I know it's just me and my deceased horse but I don't think Sonja is literally delusional -- she was cushioned by Morgan's wealth and then her settlement for a long-enough time to decide that is what she deserved.  Everything is someone else's fault.  Everyone else throws shade, not her.  She doesn't even remember what she said!  I don't think she's ruined her brain yet, just her character.

 

Is this something we can really hold her accountable for in good faith though?  I mean if she keeps herself anesthetized at least 60% of her day, there are some legit (long term?) cognitive issues going on.

 

Scoobs, I got you.  http://resident.com/   Looks like it's basically an "upscale" version of TimeOut.    Building lobby magazines. You called that one. lol!

[Midnight Cheese]

Maybe you're right, Zaldamo, I don't know.  But she says a lot of mean stuff.  She also started up the Kristen/Bethenny thing, and later accused Kristen of being on the cusp of telling LuAnn about that fraud 'swami''s fashion critique.  I mean, I think Sonja really IS mean in so many ways, in many scenes across RHONY.  Some of it is because she's not smart or sophisticated with language and says things in a crass, coarse way - but she is obviously angered by feeling any criticism coming her own way. 

 

I think Ramona is a bad person.  She's really cruel.  But she's also an idiot, so I imagine to her, it's not malicious to say 'You get no apology, you don't count,' or 'Your room isn't as important as ours.'  Yet I think Sonja has said the equivalent stuff many times over and is much more aware of things than she's given credit for, and is glad to have Ramona take the 'mean girl' hit. 

[RedheadZombie]

A place of care?  I feel for Brynn if that is actually true.  Getting in Sonja's face, screaming her head off, and then telling her to shut the eff up?  Hm. 

 

Bethenny hasn't seen Sonja in years.  They aren't friends, they are cast mates on the show.  Bethenny is butting in and randomly trying to control Sonja's crazy life which is pretty funny since her own personal life is in shambles and she has a crying or screaming fit every other day.  Bethenny needs (real) therapy and meds as much as Sonja does.  She doesn't really care about Sonja and probably doesn't know anything more than what's been said on the show and told to her by the others.  She just wants to be the one who is "right" and gets to "fix" Sonja.  Because she is so, so smart and accomplished and she can do that while others have failed.  She's realizing now that she can't get through and lost her mind over it.  Her temper is atrocious. 

 

The only real friendship that I believe to exist away from show are Carole, Heather and Kristen. 

 

She was also pretty grabby with Sonja.  She's lucky that Sonja is a very touch feely person.  If Beth were grabbing at someone like herself, things would have gone down a little differently.  I have a larger than average personal space, and if I was being screamed at, told to shut the fuck up, and physically grabbed, I would have walked or probably run from her.  I don't know how much I believe in astrology, but I'm a Scorpio just like Beth, and I think we would clash big time.  I'm very self-aware of my stereotypical Scorpio attributes, and I realize I'm an acquired taste.  It took me years to figure this stuff out, and it's really easy to drive people away.  I'm just not sure Beth is self-aware enough to realize she's the one who sets the tone of her relationships.

 

Number one on Sonja's list was a bath tub.

This makes sense she probably is behind on her water bill in NYC

 

Bathing is a luxury for Sonja right now.

 

Currently in NYC, Sonja stands under the hole in the ceiling and waits for it to rain for a shower....

Pickles, Pickles!!!....bring the shower curtain and a tarp for the floor

 

I'm thinking Sonja wants the bathtub because it's a practical place to crash, when she comes home messy drunk and blacks out.  She can wake up (you know she must sleep nude) and immediately hose herself down.

 

You know, I find myself really disliking Dorinda.  She's quiet but her actions are loud.  I dislike how she assumed a well dressed black guy was a waiter and not a patron of the restaurant she was in.  I dislike how she uses a disabled slur to refer to her dog's behavior.  I dislike how she assumed a guy in a wheelchair was a beggar at a bus stop and gave him money.  He was an attorney waiting for the bus.  She's quiet but her behavior screams.

 

The ableism and racism aside, I dislike the way she lets John treat her.  He's excessively touchy-feely with her, which she dislikes, and he's excessive with every woman he interacts with.  He allows women to be sexually forward with him and he encourages it.  Dorinda says she doesn't care who touches him, she just cares who he touches.  If he truly respected her she wouldn't have to worry about it at all.  For whatever reason she stays with him and excuses his behavior.  No one deserves to be treated without respect.

 

She talked about how difficult it was to move on after her husband died.  I think she deliberately keeps a bit detached from John because it's a comfortable relationship, and she won't be devastated if he died.  She doesn't seem to want an all encompassing relationship, and she's keeping her heart guarded.

[Lakewood27]

I do love me some crazy bat shit vacation Ramona.

 

Yup. It's not a RHoNY vacation until Ramona goes batshit over something, wears a giant roller in her bangs, and floats in the pool with her noodle.

[Teddybear]

 

The shower explanation was weird, but I remembered that Ramonja "broke" the Dreschers' shower in Miami. I think it's all about keeping their hair dry, but there are shower caps and adjustable shower heads. It's not a foregone conclusion that your hair will get all wet.

I'll never understand her bizarre fear of getting wet.  I'm sure we all remember "who are you to get me wet??!!" 

 

As far as her body, she looks great, but seems to have no control over what it does.  Maybe she should put down the weights and take a yoga class to work on a mind-body connection (I've never taken one but I think that's what happens!)  The way she carries herself, Lucite heels or not, is just so awkward.  

 

I'm confused why Carole is video recording everything.  It looked so odd with the ladies talking and she's lying on the couch holding a video camera --wtf? 

[trimthatfat]

I'm confused why Carole is video recording everything.  It looked so odd with the ladies talking and she's lying on the couch holding a video camera --wtf? 

I don't get it either. I thought maybe it was to avoid having to pay for cameramen to fly first class with the ladies since Carol was recording in the air plane, but she also recorded in the home while a full camera crew was in the space. Bravo had the same thing going on during RHoATL's Kandi's spinoff 'Ski Trip'. Her daughter and step-daughter recorded their trip.

Edited June 24, 2015 by trimthatfat

[Crikey]

For a HW song...not so bad. Certainly better than On Display On Display and Google Me.

 

I can't wait for the video...might we see Jill Zarin - maybe Bawbee paid Luanne XXX to let Jill be part of the video

Victoria reminds me of Kristen Stewart...sulky face

 

Luanne's performance was delicious on WWHL...I couldn't stop laughing.

I think she wore that short skirt - so she can now say that's why I couldn't dance cause I'm classy

I would have more than a sulky face if my birthplace had a chance of  appearing on national TV and who knows what might drop out, a pirate's eyepatch, a collapsing telescope  (read dildo)  :)

I do give it to Lu, she takes full advantage of her stint on HW's.

[SFoster21]

Yup. It's not a RHoNY vacation until Ramona goes batshit over something, wears a giant roller in her bangs, and floats in the pool with her noodle.

There's Turtle Time to look forward to!

Don't care how long since Adam was close to the niece, Carole is a bitch, afaiac. I will not be moved.

Edited June 24, 2015 by SFoster21

[Sincerely Yours]

Both Carole and LuAnn say that the niece and Adam dated but broke up a year before Carole met him. The problem arose because the niece/Adam attended a birthday party together 6 months before filming, LuAnn assumed that meant they were back together and Adam claimed they went as friends only.

 

 

 

 

 "Breaking up" and "Not fucking anymore" are entirely two different things. I'm guessing that they were still fuck buddy's where Adam's definition of the term was friend with benefits and her definition of the term was possibly reentering into a relationship in due time. Admitting to the fuck buddy version is not something anyone involved is eager to cop to so there's no choice but to accept the semantics version of the whole thing but not me. I will happily continue to believe this instead.

Edited June 24, 2015 by Sincerely Yours

[Bossa Nova]

So anybody have an leads or theories on just why the Turks & Caicos trip gets really crazy in the next few episode? Andy C said as bad as or almost like Scary Island.

 

What's coming up? Sheesh, what could they possibly do that hasn't already gone down on any of the HW shows?

 

And why has this site gotten so wonky and so slow lately?

Edited June 24, 2015 by Bossa Nova

[Crikey]

So anybody have an leads or theories on just why the Turks & Caicos trip gets really crazy in the next few episode? Andy C said as bad as or almost like Scary Island.

 

What's coming up? Sheesh, what could they possibly do that hasn't already gone down on any of the HW shows?

So anybody have an leads or theories on just why the Turks & Caicos trip gets really crazy in the next few episode? Andy C said as bad as or almost like Scary Island.

 

What's coming up? Sheesh, what could they possibly do that hasn't already gone down on any of the HW shows?

So anybody have an leads or theories on just why the Turks & Caicos trip gets really crazy in the next few episodes?

 

Andy C said as bad as or almost like Scary Island.

 

What's coming up? Sheesh, what could they possibly do that hasn't already gone down on any of the HW shows?

 

And why has this site gotten so wonky and so slow?

At the end of Lord of the Manor episode they showed some previews.  I thought i saw Dorinda upset at Heather and Heather saying don't yell at me.  Might explain why Dorinda is so annoyed with Heather in her blogs and on twitter.  I have to watch again.

[ghoulina]

I was really confused at Bethenny telling Heather she should get into workout wear while holding Heather's Yummie workout wear in her hand, the Yummie workout wear she received in the Yummie gift bag.

 

I took what Bethenny was saying to essentially be, "Your workout is so great, you should just do that and that alone". Not sure why she thought Heather would respond well to that unsolicited advice, however.