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[SunnyBeBe]

3 minutes ago, auntjess said:

Me too, and I'd seen enough in the news, not to care about shows on them.  I skip the shows on the ones where I remember the original coverage, except for Brad Bishop.
I am alarmed to see the Natalie Wood show/shows coming up.  Don't mess with my youth, R.J. wouldn't have done it, and how dare anyone second-guess an autopsy done by Dr. Thomas Noguchi, "coroner to the stars."
I'm covering my eyes and ears on that one.

Yeah, I"m not sure I'd marry a man with the last name Peterson.  lol  Sorry to all those wonderful men with that name. I try to keep the famous murderers straight this way:

Drew/Murder/bathtub

Scott/Murder/lake

Mike/Murder/staircase

[Brattinella]

1 minute ago, auntjess said:

I am alarmed to see the Natalie Wood show/shows coming up.  Don't mess with my youth, R.J. wouldn't have done it, and how dare anyone second-guess an autopsy done by Dr. Thomas Noguchi, "coroner to the stars."
I'm covering my eyes and ears on that one.

I'm upset that they are dredging this up again.  Everyone on board was drunk (and probably high) and there was an accident.   She was pulled from the water and she was dead.  So after Noguchi did the autopsy, he called it accidental death.  Tell me how there are more bruises?  I know some bruises take a while after death to appear, but YEARS later?  I dunno.  I don't believe anyone killed her.

[SunnyBeBe]

Just now, Brattinella said:

I'm upset that they are dredging this up again.  Everyone on board was drunk (and probably high) and there was an accident.   She was pulled from the water and she was dead.  So after Noguchi did the autopsy, he called it accidental death.  Tell me how there are more bruises?  I know some bruises take a while after death to appear, but YEARS later?  I dunno.  I don't believe anyone killed her.

Someone please chime in if I'm not right on this, but, it's my understanding that the bruises were always there on Wood's body and they were incurred BEFORE time of death.  They were never really explained, but, police just seemed too afraid to push too much at the time.  Plus, those on board, other than her husband wouldn't be candid.  It was like they either kept hushed or supported husband's story.  I recall reading one time that husband speculated that the multiple bruises came about after Natalie tried to leave their boat on a dingy, went out and slipped, fell and got stuck by the dingy or in the water,......but, no one heard this or any cries for help.  In other words, no real explanation for her bruises was ever given.

NOW, so many years later, one man on board, I think the captain has changed his story and raised suspicions.  I'm not sure what they can prove, if anything.  Plus, by the time they get to trial, Wagner may be very old.  He's already pushing 90!  I'm not sure what they are going to accomplish, but, I'm just tired of hearing about it. Even if there is something new. Natalie deserves justice, but, I wonder if they have waited too late. 

[funky-rat]

35 minutes ago, Brattinella said:

I'm upset that they are dredging this up again.  Everyone on board was drunk (and probably high) and there was an accident.   She was pulled from the water and she was dead.  So after Noguchi did the autopsy, he called it accidental death.  Tell me how there are more bruises?  I know some bruises take a while after death to appear, but YEARS later?  I dunno.  I don't believe anyone killed her.

I tend to agree.  I think it was an accident.  Not everything is a conspiracy theory, but nowadays, it seems that way.

[ButterQueen]

Boo on ID channel.  Listed Evil Lives Here as new....nope...a rerun.  A boring one at that.

[applecrisp]

On 3/30/2018 at 11:55 PM, Fable said:

About Forbidden, that niece had opportunist written all over her.  She meets her uncle for the first time and can’t stop thinking about him?  Give me a break.  Based on everything she said, I feel she was inserting herself into his life and not the other way around.  Accidental shootings and suicides don’t happen to the back of the head either.  Another thing I found particularly strange was the fact that he left her all this money and property, yet they were struggling with bills in Belize.  No, just No!

I agree. We only heard her side of the story. I think she was manipulative and entitled. She gave up her daughter for this.  You have to know people are not going approve even if both are adults.  I thought she seemed very defiant and ultimately greedy. I am not sure if she killed him though.

Edited April 3, 2018 by applecrisp

[applecrisp]

On 3/28/2018 at 2:01 PM, ButterQueen said:

Yep, with the missing fireplace poker.  

They had a show on NBC called Trial and Error with John Lithgow as the Peterson character and it was really a funny little 10 episode show.  The owl killed her in the end.

Edited April 3, 2018 by applecrisp

[Queena]

Forbidden: Dying for Love. OMG, a man is on death row in Texas for a murder that he didn't commit, and it's Texas, and he's Black, so it's most likely that he will die. I'm so angry. This is a tragedy. One that can't be fixed because we don't have a fair and partial court system. 

[Queena]

On 3/28/2018 at 2:00 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Yeah, I think medical examiner determined that she didn't die from falling down the stairs, but, from being beaten. 

The real medical examiner said that he had never seen a beating that didn't effect the bones. I just watched the Dateline episode, and I don't think that the state could have proved murder. It was NOT Peterson who came up with the owl theory. It was actually the police, who used to joke about it. A neighbor is who kept pushing it to Peterson brother who is a lawyer. The neighbor had a owl problem and knew of 2 people in the neighborhood who had been attacked in similar ways (one person appeared on Dateline) by owls. The brother then reexamined the evidence and found the owl feathers in her hands and in her hair, and so on. 

 

Personally, I think that she was attacked by a owl, she did fall down the stairs.... But it didn't kill her. Peterson took the opportunity to finish the job. Or did nothing and watched her die. 

 

Wasn't the first death a neighbor and not his wife? Why would someone kill their neighbor for their kids? That doesn't make sense. The nanny and friend says there was a lot of blood, but the police says something different. I believe the police. ??‍♀️

 

Oh and I believe the guy on Autopsy. Natalie Woods was not killed. I wish that they would stop with that. 

Edited April 4, 2018 by Queena

[SunnyBeBe]

I am glad that Kathlyn's daughter got a handsome civil award in her wrongful death case against Peterson, though, she may not collect much. I found this interesting. 

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The truth is, the evidence collected by the Durham Police Department in the days after Kathleen Peterson's death painted a clear picture for the jury that, after four days of deliberation, convicted Peterson nearly fourteen years ago. And the case the state made against Peterson was sufficient for a judge to award tens of millions of dollars in damages to Kathleen's daughter, Caitlin Atwater, at the tail end of a wrongful-death suit.

But Peterson, again casting himself as a victim, didn't talk Friday about the autopsy report that revealed significant damage to his wife's head consistent with a beating and not a drunken fall down the stairs, as he has claimed. He failed to mention the bruises all over her body and the family's financial troubles, which might have been ameliorated by her $1.6 million life insurance policy. He opted out of discussing emails he sent to a male escort. He didn't make an affirmative case for his innocence but rather used his moment in the spotlight to accuse the police and the district attorney's office of stacking the deck against him.

 

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But why would an innocent man plead guilty a few months ahead of his retrial, which he was granted after Judge Orlando Hudson determined that a key blood-spatter expert's testimony should be removed from the record? Why not clear his name, knowing that several damning pieces of evidence have, in the period since his trial, been contaminated and deemed inadmissible?

If anything, the state's case against Peterson is much weaker in 2017 than it was in 2003—which is why prosecutors were willing to agree to an Alford plea, a legal contrivance in which Peterson admits the state has enough evidence to convict him but still maintains his innocence.

For Peterson, the plea had an inescapable logic to it. It meant certain immediate freedom, a sentence of time already served. There'd be no possibility of a conviction that could lead to him spending the rest of his days behind bars. Other than being a convicted felon, there was no downside, especially given the risks.

But Kathleen's sisters would tell you he took it because, deep down, he knows he did it.

 

https://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/after-fifteen-years-the-michael-peterson-case-concludes-but-provides-little-closure/Content?oid=5374214

[friendperidot]

I don't know where else to put this, I looked for a specific thread, I looked in Network, I looked in Genre, this is the closest. I keep saying it, but I just got a streaming service after a couple of years without any cable channels, well there was a couple of months of trying Sling, but I barely used it, I didn't care for their navigation. I haven't had OWN for 5 or 6 years, don't exactly remember, but it went away when Directv and OWN had some dispute over money and Directv moved it to a higher priced tier. 

I used to love the Police Women of ____ shows. I don't know, I'll have to look it up to see if any newer ones have been made. But I decided to check out Police Women of Dallas today. I remember all of these officers and even a few of the stories from before, but it's nice to revisit. Jeez some of the people the officers have to deal with are Stupid with a capital "S"! Since this aired, unfortunately and because of my teenage great nephew who lived with me off and on, I've had to deal with various police officers I personally love it when one of the officers asks the people she's questioning just how stupid are they? I asked that question of my nephew frequently and it never bothered me when an officer asked him that too. Because so much that they are doing is just plain ole stupid, teenagers brains have not finished developing and they just have some of the most messed up thinking, they can't think things through and figure out that there are consequences.

[SunnyBeBe]

This is great news.  So much for that police cover up of that woman's murder that they labeled a suicide.  I wonder how they could even say it with a straight face.

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Brother of billionaire whose girlfriend was found hanging naked at California mansion is found responsible for her death and ordered to pay $5m to her family despite coroner ruling it suicide

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5579073/Man-sued-California-mansion-death-responsible.html

[walnutqueen]

See No Evil : when will little old ladies learn not to trust derelicts down on their luck?  I know the temptation to be a good, kind, generous and caring person is desirable - but you are OLD, you have MONEY & NICE THINGS, and you LIVE ALONE.  When I was a sweet young thing (eons ago), a Sicilian farmer told me: "Some trust is good.  No trust is better."   The older I get, the less willing I am to trust anyone.  Sorry, nice, decent people; I watch too much ID to give you the benefit of the doubt.  ;-)

Murder Chose Me :  I just cannot trust any cop who claims "Every case I worked, I solved.  And every case I solved, I got a confession".  That's a perfect record.  And I don't believe in perfection.  Not even perfect assholes.  He toots his own horn far too much for my taste.

Rebecca Zahau suicide/murder civil trial :  I am glad her family received a modicum of "justice".  I hope they weren't seeking the actual $5 mil damages awarded (his brother's the rich one, not him), but were in it to receive some sense of vindication for Rebecca - who would NEVER and could never have taken her own life in such a manner.

[SunnyBeBe]

I agree about confessions.  Some are actually false and rendered due to poor and improper police work, so, I wouldn't brag on that. 

I definitely watch too much true crime, because I see things in a different light than most people, I think.  For example, isn't it commonly known that drifters, local criminals, sketchy individuals who do drugs, are not people you can safely allow to frequent your house?  They are OFTEN the people in true life who rob and kill you.  So, I get frustrated when I see some of my family and friends having multiple people like that knock on their door multiple times per week, asking if they have work or free money.(These are upscale neighborhoods.)  I warn them to not open the door. I wouldn't even go to the door, but, call police.  They tell me that they know these people, because they have seen them doing odd work in the neighborhood.  Okay.......I suppose I'm too paranoid. lol 

Edited April 5, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[ButterQueen]

Whoever does scheduling for ID needs to be fired.  Stop with the marathons already!!

[walnutqueen]

So, I'm watching a new series on A&E - "Marcia Clark Investigates the First 48".  It goes far beyond the first 48 hours of an investigation, and so far, isn't as awful as most of the crap ID recycles, despite investigating cases that have already been done to death.

There's some stuff about Drew Peterson I'd never heard before ... creepy!

[Lovecat]

23 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

So, I'm watching a new series on A&E - "Marcia Clark Investigates the First 48".  It goes far beyond the first 48 hours of an investigation, and so far, isn't as awful as most of the crap ID recycles, despite investigating cases that have already been done to death.

There's some stuff about Drew Peterson I'd never heard before ... creepy!

I'm enjoying that series.  It was *fascinating* watching Drew Peterson's defense attorney squirm.  First of all, he may have defended Peterson when he was on trial for killing Kathleen (wife #3, convicted for killing her and staging it as an accidental drowning), but I got the distinct impression that he wasn't drinking any of his own Kool-Aid.  What was truly remarkable was his response to the questions about Stacy (wife #4, still missing, but presumed dead by pretty much everyone).  He knows what happened to her, and he knows where she is, and he all but admitted that Peterson told him these things.  What I couldn't tell was whether he was genuinely struggling with what he could and could not say without breaking attorney-client privilege, or whether he was enjoying, in some sick way, being the guy in the know.  I don't remember it personally, because I didn't follow the case that closely, but it looks like he got a lot of camera time during Peterson's trial.  I'm not watching A&E's companion show (Grace vs. Abrams) because I cannot with Nancy Grace, but based on the previews for that, they had him on the hot seat, too.  That's another thing that makes me lean towards the "twisted game player" category--he doesn't seem at all reluctant to appear on these shows and dance around what he knows, which is attention whore behavior.  OTOH, maybe he's just hoping he'll drop enough hints that someone not bound by privilege will be able to pick up the ball and run with it?  I just can't find a place to land on this one. 

[walnutqueen]

59 minutes ago, Lovecat said:

I'm enjoying that series.  It was *fascinating* watching Drew Peterson's defense attorney squirm.  First of all, he may have defended Peterson when he was on trial for killing Kathleen (wife #3, convicted for killing her and staging it as an accidental drowning), but I got the distinct impression that he wasn't drinking any of his own Kool-Aid.  What was truly remarkable was his response to the questions about Stacy (wife #4, still missing, but presumed dead by pretty much everyone).  He knows what happened to her, and he knows where she is, and he all but admitted that Peterson told him these things.  What I couldn't tell was whether he was genuinely struggling with what he could and could not say without breaking attorney-client privilege, or whether he was enjoying, in some sick way, being the guy in the know.  I don't remember it personally, because I didn't follow the case that closely, but it looks like he got a lot of camera time during Peterson's trial.  I'm not watching A&E's companion show (Grace vs. Abrams) because I cannot with Nancy Grace, but based on the previews for that, they had him on the hot seat, too.  That's another thing that makes me lean towards the "twisted game player" category--he doesn't seem at all reluctant to appear on these shows and dance around what he knows, which is attention whore behavior.  OTOH, maybe he's just hoping he'll drop enough hints that someone not bound by privilege will be able to pick up the ball and run with it?  I just can't find a place to land on this one. 

He KNOWS where Stacy Peterson's body is.  The slimy fuck is enjoying his attorney-client privilege and his resurrected notoriety.

[Lovecat]

14 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

He KNOWS where Stacy Peterson's body is.  The slimy fuck is enjoying his attorney-client privilege and his resurrected notoriety.

Yeah, my head knows you're right.  My heart likes to believe that people are better than that.  Sadly, they are not...or we wouldn't have these programs to watch in the first place!

[ridethemaverick]

On 4/4/2018 at 11:15 PM, walnutqueen said:

See No Evil : when will little old ladies learn not to trust derelicts down on their luck?  I know the temptation to be a good, kind, generous and caring person is desirable - but you are OLD, you have MONEY & NICE THINGS, and you LIVE ALONE.  When I was a sweet young thing (eons ago), a Sicilian farmer told me: "Some trust is good.  No trust is better."   The older I get, the less willing I am to trust anyone.  Sorry, nice, decent people; I watch too much ID to give you the benefit of the doubt.  ;-)

Murder Chose Me :  I just cannot trust any cop who claims "Every case I worked, I solved.  And every case I solved, I got a confession".  That's a perfect record.  And I don't believe in perfection.  Not even perfect assholes.  He toots his own horn far too much for my taste.

Rebecca Zahau suicide/murder civil trial :  I am glad her family received a modicum of "justice".  I hope they weren't seeking the actual $5 mil damages awarded (his brother's the rich one, not him), but were in it to receive some sense of vindication for Rebecca - who would NEVER and could never have taken her own life in such a manner.

Agreed. To add, and this is probably sexist, but it really angers me when able bodied men mooch off of little old ladies and/or vulnerable womrn. This particular woman had two such loser parasites in her circle and it doesn't seem like either of them brought anything good to her life. 

[auntjess]

While I was cleaning out my "likes," on Facebook, I looked at Christine Mannina's page (from The Shift), and she'd done some crime podcasts, for anyone interested.
http://themanninafiles.com/

[SunnyBeBe]

The Staircase Murder series (documentary) is pretty good.  It's very fast paced.  Episode one was last night, tonight is Episode 2 at 10:00 p.m. I think there are 3 parts. I learned a lot about the couple's background, how they met, etc.  I was surprised at how vocal the victim's sister is in this thing.  OMG...I suppose now that Mike has finally pleaded, she has resolved it in her mind.  They showed crime scene photos that I had never seen.  

Separate show: I've never had a problem with Paula Zahn, but, I wonder why she can't pronounce the name Perez.  Odd. Do others say this like they are pronouncing Paris?

[Brattinella]

33 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

The Staircase Murder series (documentary) is pretty good.  It's very fast paced.  Episode one was last night, tonight is Episode 2 at 10:00 p.m. I think there are 3 parts. I learned a lot about the couple's background, how they met, etc.  I was surprised at how vocal the victim's sister is in this thing.  OMG...I suppose now that Mike has finally pleaded, she has resolved it in her mind.  They showed crime scene photos that I had never seen.  

Separate show: I've never had a problem with Paula Zahn, but, I wonder why she can't pronounce the name Perez.  Odd. Do others say this like they are pronouncing Paris?

I think Shimon Peres, the PM of Israel pronounced his name PAIR-ez.  Maybe that is how she remembers it.

[Mrs. P.]

13 hours ago, auntjess said:

While I was cleaning out my "likes," on Facebook, I looked at Christine Mannina's page (from The Shift), and she'd done some crime podcasts, for anyone interested.
http://themanninafiles.com/

I loved The Shift. Wish it was still in production

[psychoticstate]

On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 4:53 PM, walnutqueen said:

He KNOWS where Stacy Peterson's body is.  The slimy fuck is enjoying his attorney-client privilege and his resurrected notoriety.

 

On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 5:08 PM, Lovecat said:

Yeah, my head knows you're right.  My heart likes to believe that people are better than that.  Sadly, they are not...or we wouldn't have these programs to watch in the first place!

I can't say for certain whether or not the attorney is enjoying the attention but I can say that he cannot reveal what Drew Peterson told him.  It's obvious he knows exactly what happened to Stacy and where she is but he's taken an oath.  I hate that he can't say but if he discloses without a waiver from Drew Peterson, it demolishes the attorney-client privilege.  

I am enjoying Marcia Clark's new series though.  I was floored at what appeared to be a woman's body picked up by sonar and the local police did nothing.  And then claiming the bones found over a year later, which were initially said by the coroner to be female, were male.  I agree with the man Marcia spoke to - - that was/is probably what is left of Stacy. 

Really sad that both Kathleen Savio and Stacy wrote themselves off and predicted that Drew would kill them.  The local PD appear to have covered for Drew, and covered up for him, for years.  Absolutely shameful. 

[Jaded]

Oxygen Greenlights 10 New True Crime Series, Sets U.S. Premiere of ‘Serial Killer with Piers Morgan’

[auntjess]

Wish it was someone other than Piers Morgan.
  I like Ice T on Ice Cold Killer.

[MaggieG]

I've been watching Marcia Clark investigates and I really like it so far. I didn't know much about the Drew Peterson case. What a creep. I had no idea that Stacy was that young when they first got together

[GreatKazu]

As much as I loathe Drew Peterson's former attorney is not revealing where the remains are of Stacy, I am reminded it is the whole attorney-client privilege that keeps him from doing so. If he were to reveal any info, he is violating that trust. That is part of the job of an attorney. If attorneys ratted out their clients and reveal information told to them, the public would feel a sense of distrust. 

I was floored by the quote from the defense attorney who said about Peterson's first wife, "She's alive, she didn't die!" when asked to respond to her claims of emotional abuse and threats made to her by Peterson when she was married to him. He stated there was no veracity to her claims which is why her statements were not admissible. The mere fact the first wife chose not to go after Peterson's earnings and what was rightfully hers during the divorce is why she is alive today. Peterson made the same damning and threatening statements to her as he did to Kathleen and Stacy. She was the only one who was too fearful to ask the courts to grant her what was rightfully hers. 

[walnutqueen]

2 hours ago, psychoticstate said:

I can't say for certain whether or not the attorney is enjoying the attention but I can say that he cannot reveal what Drew Peterson told him.  It's obvious he knows exactly what happened to Stacy and where she is but he's taken an oath.  I hate that he can't say but if he discloses without a waiver from Drew Peterson, it demolishes the attorney-client privilege.  

Absolutely.  But it is still frustrating as hell that he can drop hints and teasers with that sly look on his face, while (just barely) remaining within the letter of the law.

[GreatKazu]

32 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

Absolutely.  But it is still frustrating as hell that he can drop hints and teasers with that sly look on his face, while (just barely) remaining within the letter of the law.

Right. It is pointless for him to even be on these shows and tease the fuck outta knowing where Stacy's remains are. He is not saying that outright, but it is more than an assumption since it was pointed out to him that he would have directed the authorities to where she was, if she was in fact alive, when defending his client. His client is the one who maintained she was alive, and for the attorney to then say he knew the information of her whereabouts only leads to the obvious fact that he knew she wasn't alive. Grace and Abrahams pretty much got the attorney to admit that fact through all that questioning and hollering, he didn't even see it coming. His face said it all as if he was thinking, "Shit! I screwed up."  

I wasn't too keen on watching the Grace and Abrahams show, but I have ended up liking it so far. 

Edited April 9, 2018 by GreatKazu

[SunnyBeBe]

Part II of The Staircase was pretty good.  I think Part III (final episode) comes on tonight. I learned some more new things. I never realized just how much of a resemblance Peterson's dead wife had to the family friend who ALSO met her death at the bottom of a staircase, like his wife did.  It's so eerie.  It's truly a fascinating murder mystery or maybe not so much a mystery. 

Have you seen the show called I Witness.  It's not bad.  Today there was one where the man's daughter was sexually abused by the father for years. Mother died.  She seemed authentic in her accusations and there was some corroborating evidence to support her claims.   A friend ended up killing him in the driveway.  

Edited April 10, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[KellsBells]

On 4/4/2018 at 8:15 PM, walnutqueen said:

See No Evil : when will little old ladies learn not to trust derelicts down on their luck?  I know the temptation to be a good, kind, generous and caring person is desirable - but you are OLD, you have MONEY & NICE THINGS, and you LIVE ALONE. 

I know I'm behind but I just watched that show and what struck me is that the daughter let an entire week go by without hearing from her mom and, even though she knew she should have been able to get in touch with her, did nothing. Crazy. She even thought her mom had been in an accident, but never called the police. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Well, I knew about the blood splatter expert who was totally discredited in the Peterson (Durham, NC) case, but, I do wonder why the state didn't just get another one.  I do suspect the victim's family knew that Mike Peterson would never stop the appeals and so that even if they won in the new trial, they'd have to continue worrying about him winning another appeal and having more trials.  Still, he didn't serve much time for murder. 

I wonder if his next house will be a ranch or split level.  He's pretty unlucky with staircases. 

[funky-rat]

18 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Have you seen the show called I Witness.  It's not bad.  Today there was one where the man's daughter was sexually abused by the father for years. Mother died.  She seemed authentic in her accusations and there was some corroborating evidence to support her claims.   A friend ended up killing him in the driveway.  

I looked her up the first time I saw that show, and there was definitely corroborating evidence against her dad.  I'm glad she seems to be happy, and that she married her boyfriend, and they're still married.  He was very supportive of her.

[SunnyBeBe]

4 minutes ago, funky-rat said:

I looked her up the first time I saw that show, and there was definitely corroborating evidence against her dad.  I'm glad she seems to be happy, and that she married her boyfriend, and they're still married.  He was very supportive of her.

What annoyed me was how her grandmother and aunt refused to see the truth and turned her sister against her.  I wonder if that relationship was ever repaired.   People just don't get how a child sex abuser can come in the form of a fine acting family man, who people don't suspect.  But, with the daughter having bruises, school counselor being told by her friends, etc.  Aren't they mandated reporters of child abuse?  There were a bunch of people who saw abuse and did nothing. 

Edited April 11, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[funky-rat]

2 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

What annoyed me was how her grandmother and aunt refused to see the truth and turned her sister against her.  I wonder if that relationship was ever prepared.  

I'm not sure.  She eventually made up with her sister.  
I don't recall the show mentioning she was pregnant:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/secret-turned-deadly-article-1.391507
I felt bad for her - a lot of people failed her:
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/19/nyregion/ex-detective-says-son-warned-of-abuse.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/14/magazine/murder-on-long-island.html

[SunnyBeBe]

I don't think the show mentioned her being pregnant either. Turns out it was by her boyfriend and miscarried. The shooter got out of prison some time ago and is working as social worker.  So, it seems this did not destroy their lives. 

[funky-rat]

27 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I don't think the show mentioned her being pregnant either. Turns out it was by her boyfriend and miscarried. The shooter got out of prison some time ago and is working as social worker.  So, it seems this did not destroy their lives. 

That was one thing that puzzled me.  She said on the show that she hadn't slept with her boyfriend, and I didn't think in 1986 there was any way, other than blood typing, to prove or disprove paternity.  Now maybe blood typing did it, but I didn't think that paternity tests were so iron clad like they are today.

[SunnyBeBe]

23 minutes ago, funky-rat said:

That was one thing that puzzled me.  She said on the show that she hadn't slept with her boyfriend, and I didn't think in 1986 there was any way, other than blood typing, to prove or disprove paternity.  Now maybe blood typing did it, but I didn't think that paternity tests were so iron clad like they are today.

That's a good point.  Maybe, they ruled it out by blood type.  The article also says that she got pregnant by her dad a couple of times, but, also miscarried. Her dad must have been pretty careless. 

Edited April 11, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[geekgirl921]

On 4/4/2018 at 8:15 PM, walnutqueen said:

See No Evil : when will little old ladies learn not to trust derelicts down on their luck?  I know the temptation to be a good, kind, generous and caring person is desirable - but you are OLD, you have MONEY & NICE THINGS, and you LIVE ALONE.  When I was a sweet young thing (eons ago), a Sicilian farmer told me: "Some trust is good.  No trust is better."   The older I get, the less willing I am to trust anyone.  Sorry, nice, decent people; I watch too much ID to give you the benefit of the doubt.  ;-)

Murder Chose Me :  I just cannot trust any cop who claims "Every case I worked, I solved.  And every case I solved, I got a confession".  That's a perfect record.  And I don't believe in perfection.  Not even perfect assholes.  He toots his own horn far too much for my taste.

Rebecca Zahau suicide/murder civil trial :  I am glad her family received a modicum of "justice".  I hope they weren't seeking the actual $5 mil damages awarded (his brother's the rich one, not him), but were in it to receive some sense of vindication for Rebecca - who would NEVER and could never have taken her own life in such a manner.

Yes, I was watching Criminal Minds one day where the unsub was hiding in the closet and I thought, it's good I have so much crap in my closet, there is no room for a killer to hide there!

That "every case, I worked, I solved" boast bothers me too? How is that possible. That's one of the reasons I don't like Homicide Hunter, he seems a little too pleased with himself.

[rlc]

Just caught up on The Staircase. What troubled me most about the next door neighbor was that he stated he was Michael Peterson’s neighbor at the time of the incident. Was he not Kathleen’s neighbor as well? That didn’t sit well with me.

[bubbls]

I made a sincere attempt to watch the Bobbi Kristina Brown episode of Mysteries & Scandals, but, wow, that family.......I couldn’t stomach most of them along with the host’s overly dramatic delivery. I remembering thinking the same thing about the family when I watched a couple of episodes of Whitney’s reality tv show. 

Edited April 16, 2018 by bubbls

[SunnyBeBe]

OMG! Anyone watch Breaking Homicide last night?  What  a show! What an investigation?  Is this stuff for real?  One of the investigators was balling his eyes out at the end, when he was telling the victim's mother what he discovered about the child's rape/murder many years ago.  This was riveting from start to finish.  That's why I'm wondering if it's real.  At the end, it said they had turned over all their evidence to the police.  Why no charges?  They really blew the case out of the water.  

Still, I had some questions for the father of the victim, even though, evidence seems to point to this other person.  My question is all about dad's story that he picked up his daughter to take her to get candy.  Nothing about that story makes any sense.  When he supposedly picked her up, the older brother had also gone to the store to buy treats.  So, he takes the daughter to buy candy, but, leaves a 5 year old younger brother and older cousin?  Why?  Where did he take her to buy candy?  Did he see the older son in the store? How many stores right down the street? Wouldn't they go to the closest store with candy?  Did store clerk confirm dad brought daughter in to store? WHERE was the candy? Was it found near girl's body? In her pockets?  In her digestive system?  What happened to it?  So, despite what the investigators found and it was HUGE, dad's story still has many holes that need addressing. 

https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/breaking-homicide-the-final-theory/full-episodes/michelle-norris

[Brattinella]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

OMG! Anyone watch Breaking Homicide last night?  What  a show! What an investigation?  Is this stuff for real?  One of the investigators was balling his eyes out at the end, when he was telling the victim's mother what he discovered about the child's rape/murder many years ago.  This was riveting from start to finish.  That's why I'm wondering if it's real.  At the end, it said they had turned over all their evidence to the police.  Why no charges?  They really blew the case out of the water.  

YES!  It was a fascinating and horrible story at the same time.  The poor cop crying with the mom broke my heart.  Those poor little girls.  I also am very interested in more being done with dad's letter.  All those misspellings IMO were done on purpose.  I agree that when he drove by, he recognized the man on the porch as his best friend, but didn't want to rat him out.  Terrible story all around.  I hope they can get justice for that poor family, Michelle deserves some justice.

[SunnyBeBe]

10 minutes ago, Brattinella said:

YES!  It was a fascinating and horrible story at the same time.  The poor cop crying with the mom broke my heart.  Those poor little girls.  I also am very interested in more being done with dad's letter.  All those misspellings IMO were done on purpose.  I agree that when he drove by, he recognized the man on the porch as his best friend, but didn't want to rat him out.  Terrible story all around.  I hope they can get justice for that poor family, Michelle deserves some justice.

Since the candy story, nor how he dropped off Michelle made no sense to me, made me wonder if he dropped off Michelle with the man on purpose.  AND that's why the little friend says Michelle wasn't dropped off there with her step-dad standing with her. She denies that happened. Maybe, it was just stepdad to her friend who was standing there and not the little friend.  I mean, if dad saw this loser, mean guy, why allow your kid to be dropped off without proper supervision?  What's the purpose? 

[walnutqueen]

Wow.  I had a totally different reaction to this show.  I saw a younger famewhore ex-cop with an older famewhore ex-cop who consistently belaboured the most disgusting salacious points of a poor young child's degradation & torture in an inappropriately lurid manner, all for dramatic tv posturing & self aggrandization.

[auntjess]

Glad I checked.  I think this episode can be erased without watching.

[Vivigirl10]

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Wow.  I had a totally different reaction to this show.  I saw a younger famewhore ex-cop with an older famewhore ex-cop who consistently belaboured the most disgusting salacious points of a poor young child's degradation & torture in an inappropriately lurid manner, all for dramatic tv posturing & self aggrandization.

At times they were so over the top it was hard to stomach.  At the end, when the cop was telling the Mother what had happened to her daughter (and really, this is the first she's hearing of it???), his details and visual descriptions were so absolutely unnecessary I found them horribly cruel.  Good Lord. 

When they talked to witnesses, their "thank you's" and compliments ("you are so brave", "how hard for you", etc.) were delivered more in a way to make the cops look soooo understanding, than as a genuine expression.  Tammy, the poor woman raped by her monster of a Stepdad, gave them a look of, "are you kidding me with this"?  She was so over it.  

Sorry, focusing on the irritating parts here....when they were chasing the Stepdad in the car and the two cameramen were in the back, the camera footage seemed deliberately shaky and unfocused as to amp up the drama.  Here's a snap of the side of the driver's seat!  Quick move to the ceiling!  Sudden glimpse of the outside!  After the chase, the camera work was perfect. 

They started to lose me in the end so my attention wasn't 100%.  Is the thought really that these guys have uncovered evidence and a new suspect that was never considered by the police/investigators??

[hoosiermom]

1 hour ago, walnutqueen said:

Wow.  I had a totally different reaction to this show.  I saw a younger famewhore ex-cop with an older famewhore ex-cop who consistently belaboured the most disgusting salacious points of a poor young child's degradation & torture in an inappropriately lurid manner, all for dramatic tv posturing & self aggrandization.

I second all of this. I can’t stand Derrick. (The younger ex-cop turned famewhore) When they went into the horrific details of that poor child’s death the FIRST time I ff thru most of it just to hear them repeating it to the mother! I saw no purpose in that and it made me sick. Especially when there was still no conclusion! Don’t think I will be watching this shit fest in the future.