General True Crime Shows

[auntjess]

2 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Which show was this?  Thanks!

I think it was packaged as a stand-alone, although they've been doing that with things that were parts of series.
I believe it was ID, but not sure, and I've since erased it.  If I find it, I'll let you know.

[ButterQueen]

24 minutes ago, auntjess said:

I think it was packaged as a stand-alone, although they've been doing that with things that were parts of series.
I believe it was ID, but not sure, and I've since erased it.  If I find it, I'll let you know.

Thank you!

[ButterQueen]

On 2/12/2018 at 2:07 PM, auntjess said:

I searched the U-verse schedule for Golden State Murders, and find nothing.
It usually searches about 2 weeks ahead, but doesn't search for episode titles, so if it's part of another series, it wouldn't show up.
Yesterday, I saw my first forensic podiatrist--on Forensic Files, and then another FF featured the same guy.
First was an Outer Banks murder, and he proved by wear pattern inside the shoes, that perp had worn them.
The other was in Prince Edward Island, and he proved the same thing.
In the NC case, they also had socks, so I wondered why they wouldn't have tried for DNA.

Golden State Killer -- It's Not Over

Monday, March 5th at 9 pm EST

Special 2 night event

[ButterQueen]

I just finished watching Evil Lives Here - My Brother's Secrets.  Season 2, Episode 7

Wow, the delusion that mother had.  Her son was a serial killer, sentenced to death, but she refused to move to be near her other son and family, because she needed to stay and support her killer son on death row.  It caused a rift between her other son, and they didn't speak for 12 years -- after the killer son died from cancer in prison.  It was a rather boring episode, but that mother was nuts.  

[SunnyBeBe]

25 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

I just finished watching Evil Lives Here - My Brother's Secrets.  Season 2, Episode 7

Wow, the delusion that mother had.  Her son was a serial killer, sentenced to death, but she refused to move to be near her other son and family, because she needed to stay and support her killer son on death row.  It caused a rift between her other son, and they didn't speak for 12 years -- after the killer son died from cancer in prison.  It was a rather boring episode, but that mother was nuts.  

It's amazing how family will stick with family NO MATTER how terrible they are.  I recently saw where two children testified in court that a voice on a tape recording of their father planning their mother's murder, was NOT their father.  Of course, it was.  Anyway, he got off!  Later, he fled the country, but, came back on federal charges and some tax evasion stuff, but, he ended up with not so much time.  It's so frustrating. 

[KellsBells]

5 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Not being disrespectful, but has anyone else noticed how messy the homes of murder victims are --- in the ones they show the actual video?  Even homes that appear to be very upper class are so cluttered and messy.  Sometimes I have to rewind to look again.  It just amazes me.  

That's so funny, I have noticed that too! I tell my friends that the reason I keep my house spotless is so if I'm a victim of a crime and they tape my house, it'll look all sparkly clean. But seriously, some of those houses are so messy you wonder how they can get to their beds. 

[applecrisp]

2 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I just finished watching Evil Lives Here - My Brother's Secrets.  Season 2, Episode 7

Wow, the delusion that mother had.  Her son was a serial killer, sentenced to death, but she refused to move to be near her other son and family, because she needed to stay and support her killer son on death row.  It caused a rift between her other son, and they didn't speak for 12 years -- after the killer son died from cancer in prison.  It was a rather boring episode, but that mother was nuts.  

I really felt bad for the good son. To be picked over your killer brother has to hurt.

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the show Who killed Jane Doe? The time and effort law officers and just people put in to find the person's identity is great. I can remember on I think Murder Book where they tried to find the identity of Mavin the mummy. They worked for quite a few years. He turned how to be a drifter but it still makes me tear up. We are such a throwaway society. 

Now back to serious and stern Applecrisp.

[cooksdelight]

I watched the episode “My Brother’s Secrets” and I wanted to bitchslap the mom. Way to be in denial!

I also saw a rerun on a 20/20 or 48 hrs or something, about the guy in VA who was an asst. principal, killed his wife, then later sat the house on fire. I cannot remember his name, sorry. But what gave me cold chills.... they showed the house on Smith Mountain Lake, and the boat dock... I used to go RIGHT THERE with friends on weekends!! My friend’s family home was a few down the line from that asshole’s!

[SunnyBeBe]

1 hour ago, KellsBells said:

That's so funny, I have noticed that too! I tell my friends that the reason I keep my house spotless is so if I'm a victim of a crime and they tape my house, it'll look all sparkly clean. But seriously, some of those houses are so messy you wonder how they can get to their beds. 

What was that movie when the homeowner and her friend return to the home, walk in the door, the friend yells, OMG, you've been ransacked!  Owner says, no...that's how it always looks. lol

I have wondered how police would really execute a search warrant in some places.  I mean....how many days would it take to look through all that stuff? lol

[andromeda331]

25 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

What was that movie when the homeowner and her friend return to the home, walk in the door, the friend yells, OMG, you've been ransacked!  Owner says, no...that's how it always looks. lol

I have wondered how police would really execute a search warrant in some places.  I mean....how many days would it take to look through all that stuff? lol

On the TV show the Middle the family comes home to find the cops at their house. Their neighbor called them because their house looked like it had been ransacked. Nope, that's how it always looks and the parents are too embarrassed to admit that.  

[tobeannounced]

6 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Not being disrespectful, but has anyone else noticed how messy the homes of murder victims are --- in the ones they show the actual video?  Even homes that appear to be very upper class are so cluttered and messy.  Sometimes I have to rewind to look again.  It just amazes me.  

Ha! That very subject inspired this thread over in the Dateline topic.

[applecrisp]

1 hour ago, andromeda331 said:

On the TV show the Middle the family comes home to find the cops at their house. Their neighbor called them because their house looked like it had been ransacked. Nope, that's how it always looks and the parents are too embarrassed to admit that.  

The Middle , I am going to miss that show.

[andromeda331]

2 minutes ago, applecrisp said:

The Middle , I am going to miss that show.

Me too.

[KellsBells]

1 hour ago, tobeannounced said:

Ha! That very subject inspired this thread over in the Dateline topic.

Hilarious! Thanks for the link. 

[SunnyBeBe]

12 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

What was that movie when the homeowner and her friend return to the home, walk in the door, the friend yells, OMG, you've been ransacked!  Owner says, no...that's how it always looks. lol

I have wondered how police would really execute a search warrant in some places.  I mean....how many days would it take to look through all that stuff? lol

Got it. I think it was Second Wive's Club.  

[margol29]

I hope I am posting this in the right place. Does anyone watch See No Evil?

In See No Evil Ep. 05 Dead Man Walking, it was so sad to see the victim, Edward Lowery, celebrating his promotion and he was all by himself. He went out at 11:30 pm to celebrate. The video showed him entering a very empty casino, sitting by himself and drinking a beer. Then he left and went to another bar and drank a beer by himself. I felt so sorry for the guy. No friends or family were there to help  him celebrate and then in the next few minutes he winds up murdered for $200 in an empty parking lot. Just so sad. At least they caught the guys who did it and put them away.

[funky-rat]

I saw part of the show (can't remember which show it was - maybe Betrayed?) where the Amish man had his wife murdered.  That took place in Ohio - I live in PA and near a large community of Amish and Mennonite.  I wasn't surprised that he was using the internet and watching porn - Amish teens used to come in to a gas statin down the road from where I lived at one time and used to hang out there watching TV and taking Playboys off the shelf and reading them.  But I was surprised at who he hooked up with.  We have Amish drivers here too - it can be lucrative if you have a lot of clients.  But she wasn't really attractive, and she was older.  I had to leave before it was over, and I thought I hit record on the DVR, but apparently I didn't, so I looked it up so I could see how she died and how it all ended.  Everything I read said the driver was Ex-Amish, but every Old-Order Amish person I've ever known (and they said on the show that they were Old-Order) has strong body odor - especially the men - because they don't believe in deodorant, or makeup for the women, and make their own soaps and detergents.  I just can't imagine.  Maybe he did use it because he had a business?  Sometimes the elders will allow modern things if it's for the good of the order (and things to help facilitate a business would be good for the order).  But still.......

The show didn't touch on (that I saw, anyway) that Eli's wife Barbara was not born Amish.  She was born to a drug-addicted alcoholic, and put up for adoption.  She was adopted by an Amish family.  They stop their education at the 8th grade level and then go to work, but people who knew Barbara said that she was "slow", and had developmental delays, which makes more sense about some of her situation.  Divorce in the Amish is rare, but it can happen, especially if the spouse is abusive (and what I read said that there are many hints in the letters Barbara wrote to her counselor that he was abusing her), and is flouting the English world too much (Eli had been shunned at least twice by the Elders, which would beef up her case even more).  Even if there is no official divorce, they are able to separate, and Eli just should have stayed gone.  What I read supposed that he feared that continued shunning would permanently damage his business (but being a widower would get him sympathy), but he could have just gone full-on Ex-Amish and gotten a regular job.  There were a lot people commenting on that article I read saying that people should not judge Eli (which is typical of the Amish and Mennonite way of thinking) but they published excerpts from e-mails that Eli and his driver passed back and forth, and in one, Eli asks the driver to blow his house up.  She asks about his 5 kids there.  He says that it doesn't matter, because they're innocent and will go to Heaven anyway.  So, sorry, but I'm judging the heck out of him.

Edited February 22, 2018 by funky-rat

[KellsBells]

Bart Whittaker, that staple of crime shows who hired a friend(s) who killed his mother and brother and wounded his father is scheduled to be executed in Texas tonight. His dad has been pleading for his sentence to be commuted to life for many years, and the parole board recommended clemency yesterday. The governor of Texas has until 6 p.m. (CT, I think) to decide whether to offer clemency or not. Personally, I think he should change the sentence to LWOP, but that's just my opinion. On a related note, when I read the article about it this morning I scrolled down to the comments and one person said it was the most horrible crime they'd ever heard of. I thought, "honey, you don't watch enough crime shows." I mean, this is bad, but there are more horrible crimes. 

Edited February 22, 2018 by KellsBells
To clarify this was a murder for hire.

[ButterQueen]

A STRANGER IN MY HOME - MOMMY DEAREST

S1 Episode 9

Poor Mabel ...she was failed by everyone.  She sold her lovely Connecticut home to move to Florida and live with her dysfunctional daughter, Linda...who needed assistance.  Linda's lovely sons were in prison, so her sons introduced a fellow inmate being paroled soon to them so he could help around the house.  The ex-con ended up brainwashing Mabel and getting Linda legally removed from the home.  After taking Mabel for all her money, the ex-con killed her.  He never revealed where her body was, and received only 13 years!  ?? Mabel had all of these wonderful friends who loved her so much, but just let her fade away.  The daughter, Linda, was a piece of shit.  She didn't even try to get anyone to listen to her and explain that her mother was living with an ex-con and being abused.  None of her grandchildren or lovely neighbors checked on her.  A friend of Linda's put it best....Linda's life was ruined...she lost her money, her jewelry, her trust fund and her mother....IN THAT ORDER.   I wish I could have reached through the television and smacked everyone who supposedly loved Mabel so much.  ???

 

[Brattinella]

2 hours ago, KellsBells said:

Bart Whittaker, that staple of crime shows who hired a friend(s) who killed his mother and brother and wounded his father is scheduled to be executed in Texas tonight. His dad has been pleading for his sentence to be commuted to life for many years, and the parole board recommended clemency yesterday. The governor of Texas has until 6 p.m. (CT, I think) to decide whether to offer clemency or not. Personally, I think he should change the sentence to LWOP, but that's just my opinion. On a related note, when I read the article about it this morning I scrolled down to the comments and one person said it was the most horrible crime they'd ever heard of. I thought, "honey, you don't watch enough crime shows." I mean, this is bad, but there are more horrible crimes. 

I will be cheering when they plug that needle in his arm.

[KellsBells]

1 hour ago, Brattinella said:

I will be cheering when they plug that needle in his arm.

His sentence was commuted. 

[ButterQueen]

9 hours ago, margol29 said:

I hope I am posting this in the right place. Does anyone watch See No Evil?

In See No Evil Ep. 05 Dead Man Walking, it was so sad to see the victim, Edward Lowery, celebrating his promotion and he was all by himself. He went out at 11:30 pm to celebrate. The video showed him entering a very empty casino, sitting by himself and drinking a beer. Then he left and went to another bar and drank a beer by himself. I felt so sorry for the guy. No friends or family were there to help  him celebrate and then in the next few minutes he winds up murdered for $200 in an empty parking lot. Just so sad. At least they caught the guys who did it and put them away.

See No Evil is one of my fave shows.

58 minutes ago, KellsBells said:

His sentence was commuted. 

NOOOOOOO!!!!

[Brattinella]

1 hour ago, KellsBells said:

His sentence was commuted. 

Oh, no!  :(

Gov Abbott is usually better than this.

Edited February 23, 2018 by Brattinella

[Maizie131]

1 hour ago, KellsBells said:

His sentence was commuted. 

SHIT!!!!

[SunnyBeBe]

Someone please tell me the name of the show last night on ID Discovery where this man BEGS SOMEONE TO MURDER HIM! This was the sickest thing I've ever seen.  This guy got a big sexual thrill from sex and death.  He was attracted to this young man and he repeatedly, BEGGED, PLEADED, BRIBED AND COERCED  this young man to kill him! And not just kill him, but, cut him open and take out his guts in the middle of the desert!  OMG......I was speechless.  He even offered the guy money, which he left in a lockbox.  (He swallowed the key, so the guy would have to cut him open to get his key and the money!)  Eventually, the young man confessed and told them what happened. There was plenty of proof it happened that way. The first attempt the guy couldn't go through with it, but the victim kept pressuring him! The guy got 17 years in prison. They seemed to think the guy wasn't a killer and only agreed to do it after much pressure from the victim.  You can't make this stuff up.  Boggles the mind.

[funky-rat]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Someone please tell me the name of the show last night on ID Discovery where this man BEGS SOMEONE TO MURDER HIM! This was the sickest thing I've ever seen.  This guy got a big sexual thrill from sex and death.  He was attracted to this young man and he repeatedly, BEGGED, PLEADED, BRIBED AND COERCED  this young man to kill him! And not just kill him, but, cut him open and take out his guts in the middle of the desert!  OMG......I was speechless.  He even offered the guy money, which he left in a lockbox.  (He swallowed the key, so the guy would have to cut him open to get his key and the money!)  Eventually, the young man confessed and told them what happened. There was plenty of proof it happened that way. The first attempt the guy couldn't go through with it, but the victim kept pressuring him! The guy got 17 years in prison. They seemed to think the guy wasn't a killer and only agreed to do it after much pressure from the victim.  You can't make this stuff up.  Boggles the mind.

I think it was Pandora's Box (the show, not the name of the episode - not sure what that was - I came in to it a few minutes after it started - turned it on for background noise but quickly got sucked in).  That was some really sick stuff.  And in the end, he didn't even give him $2000 (he was supposed to give him $4000).  I didn't get the part about not wanting coyotes to eat him after he was dead...he wanted to be disemboweled, for pity sake.

[SunnyBeBe]

On 2/22/2018 at 8:24 PM, Brattinella said:

Oh, no!  :(

Gov Abbott is usually better than this.

 

I found this commutation of Bart Whitaker(murdered mother and brother, attempt on dad) quite interesting.  It doesn't sound like something you would expect to happen in Texas. They are pretty staunch on things like this.   My reading indicates it was due to the pleas of the inmate's father, who didn't want to lose his only last immediate family member.  I'm trying to see the justification......not sure I will.  

Edited February 24, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[Lizzing]

On 2/22/2018 at 1:33 PM, KellsBells said:

On a related note, when I read the article about it this morning I scrolled down to the comments and one person said it was the most horrible crime they'd ever heard of. I thought, "honey, you don't watch enough crime shows." I mean, this is bad, but there are more horrible crimes.

No kidding, that commenter needs to get a higher diet of news & true crime.  Hell, I can't even keep that case separate from the other "son gets someone to kill parents & dad survives" case of the Suttons. 

[partofme]

On 2/24/2018 at 7:47 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I found this commutation of Bart Whitaker(murdered mother and brother, attempt on dad) quite interesting.  It doesn't sound like something you would expect to happen in Texas. They are pretty staunch on things like this.   My reading indicates it was due to the pleas of the inmate's father, who didn't want to lose his only last immediate family member.  I'm trying to see the justification......not sure I will.  

I’m against the death penalty so I didn’t so much have a problem with this but I did wonder why him when the government is willing to kill so many who actually are innocent or whose guilt is at least much less certain.  

[KellsBells]

6 hours ago, Lizzing said:

No kidding, that commenter needs to get a higher diet of news & true crime.  Hell, I can't even keep that case separate from the other "son gets someone to kill parents & dad survives" case of the Suttons. 

Yes. Or the other cases where son hired someone to kill their mom and dad (or did it himself) and succeeded. 

 

1 hour ago, partofme said:

I’m against the death penalty so I didn’t so much have a problem with this but I did wonder why him when the government is willing to kill so many who actually are innocent or whose guilt is at least much less certain.  

I'm against it as well. I mean, there are terrible people who probably don't deserve to walk the earth, but I don't think it should be our job to decide that, especially since it's too easy to get it wrong. 

[SunnyBeBe]

2 hours ago, partofme said:

I’m against the death penalty so I didn’t so much have a problem with this but I did wonder why him when the government is willing to kill so many who actually are innocent or whose guilt is at least much less certain.  

Yeah, I watched a show about the death penalty last night where they asked for Texas Governor's intervention.  One guy was probably not guilty.  He was convicted of stabbing a prison guard to death while in prison, but, he didn't have any blood on his body, hair or clothes. Only word from other inmates that he did it.   Not sure how that happened, but, anyway.  He was executed.  With Whitaker, there is no doubt. He admits it.  Odd choice to commute his, imo. 

[cooksdelight]

My husband and I are watching “The Family I Had” about Paris Bennett. Please tell me he’s never getting out of jail. If there’s a poster child for psychotic killer, he’s it. And I notice the strangest things.... where does Charity get her money from? She’s got a helluva expensive Mac on her desk. Did her Dad have something for her in his will? She doesn’t seem to do anything other than that foundation she started in Ella’s name.

Grandma Bennett gave me goosebumps. That woman sure as hell had her husband killed. I’d love to know why a jury found her not guilty.

Edited February 25, 2018 by cooksdelight

[ButterQueen]

1 hour ago, cooksdelight said:

My husband and I are watching “The Family I Had” about Paris Bennett. Please tell me he’s never getting out of jail. If there’s a poster child for psychotic killer, he’s it. And I notice the strangest things.... where does Charity get her money from? She’s got a helluva expensive Mac on her desk. Did her Dad have something for her in his will? She doesn’t seem to do anything other than that foundation she started in Ella’s name.

Grandma Bennett gave me goosebumps. That woman sure as hell had her husband killed. I’d love to know why a jury found her not guilty.

 

The whole family is fucking crazy.  CPS needs to remove the youngest son from Charity's care, ASAP.

I hope Paris never sees the light of day outside prison bars.

ETA:  I think Charity received money from her mom.  She definitely wasn't going without.

Edited February 25, 2018 by ButterQueen

[rocketinu]

Charity is making Phoenix into Ella...earrings, long blonde hair. Poor kid. Does she just go out and find someone to sleep with when she wants another kid?

[cooksdelight]

2 minutes ago, rocketinu said:

Charity is making Phoenix into Ella...earrings, long blonde hair. Poor kid. Does she just go out and find someone to sleep with when she wants another kid?

Probably, and with the her batshit crazy mother passing along the killing gene, it would be wise for her not to have anymore.

[riley702]

On 2/24/2018 at 7:47 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I found this commutation of Bart Whitaker(murdered mother and brother, attempt on dad) quite interesting.  It doesn't sound like something you would expect to happen in Texas. They are pretty staunch on things like this.   My reading indicates it was due to the pleas of the inmate's father, who didn't want to lose his only last immediate family member. 

Considering it's his son's fault that he has no other living relatives...

[punkypower]

Did anyone watch Love and Hate Crimes last night?

I thought it was well done. One thing that bothered me was Mercedes' supposed friend kept referring to her by her male name, Michael.

Also, SO much YES to Charity making Phoenix into Ella!!

I realize taken outside of context, my post seems crazy on the TWO issues...**flees**

[riley702]

And yet, we all understand!

[Razzberry]

Good article on Paris Bennett, which covers a few things the show left out - like his semen on Ella's blanket.  I wonder why?

[cooksdelight]

Quote

Paris got quiet, then there was this whole shift in his demeanor,” Lee said. “It was like this whole other person took over. He just started laughing at me. He said, ‘Well it took you fucking long enough.’

Thank you for this article. It confirms my thoughts that this psychopath should never be let out of prison. And leaves me wondering about genetic makeup of a killer.

[ratgirlagogo]

3 hours ago, Razzberry said:

Good article on Paris Bennett, which covers a few things the show left out - like his semen on Ella's blanket.  I wonder why?

That's a really sad story.   There is no possible happy ending.

[Annber03]

Re: that article...okay, the thought of little four year old Ella fighting back as her brother attacked her is an image that'll haunt me for a good, long while :/. 

But yeah, it's abundantly clear that Paris shouldn't be getting out anytime soon. I do think he hit on an interesting point in that article, though, that prison doesn't exactly allow for a lot of room for introspection. I actually agree with that. Given how violent prison can be, and all the gang life and whatnot, I think that lends credence to the people in that article arguing for better methods to interact with and treat prisoners, to perhaps allow for potential opportunity to properly reflect on their crimes and the impact they left and so on. I think it's quite possible to work with prisoners while still acknowledging they should serve as much of their time as possible/necessary. 

(Plus, I seem to remember somebody saying in this thread some time back that the "flat affect" some prisoners have when talking about their crimes is actually a very common thing, because the way they learn to discuss their crimes, be it with lawyers or interviewers or whomever,  kinda winds up lending itself to them sounding almost rote after a while. Granted, in this case, I think Paris' emotionless attitude is largely due to his general issues, but I could see some of it being due to this other reason, too.)

The bit about whether or not to determine psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies in children was interesting, too. I do generally agree that it's harder to determine those traits at such a young age...but at the same time, how many times have we heard about killers who started out killing animals for fun when they were kids/teens, or violently lashing out at family members or kids at school or whatever? Whether one wants to put the "psychopath/sociopath" label on kids or not, it is worth reminding people that a kid who does things like that should invite closer scrutiny of some sort, and not be brushed off as just "kids being kids" (or, more specifically, "boys being boys"). 

But yeah. Just a very tragic story all around. I really do feel for Charity with the conflicted emotions she's struggling with. The bit about her sitting in the middle in the courtroom so she didn't have to pick a side spoke volumes. 

[funky-rat]

12 hours ago, Annber03 said:

But yeah, it's abundantly clear that Paris shouldn't be getting out anytime soon. I do think he hit on an interesting point in that article, though, that prison doesn't exactly allow for a lot of room for introspection. I actually agree with that. Given how violent prison can be, and all the gang life and whatnot, I think that lends credence to the people in that article arguing for better methods to interact with and treat prisoners, to perhaps allow for potential opportunity to properly reflect on their crimes and the impact they left and so on. I think it's quite possible to work with prisoners while still acknowledging they should serve as much of their time as possible/necessary. 

We toured the old Eastern State Prison in Philadelphia, and they had an interesting setup - in the early days, anyway.  Prisoners were brought in hooded, so they could not see or be seen by other inmates.  Their cells were all singles - no cellmates.  They had light from a skylight that let in natural light for as long as possible (pre-electricity days).  They had a small individual exercise yard, and could go in and out during the day.  They were given lots of reading materials, received counseling, and were taught a trade, so they could work when they got out.  No visitors, save for those who came to counsel.  Also, no mail.  When they were released, they went out the same way - hooded.  Hoods were also required if they had to move about inside the prison.  Granted, crimes were different back then, but being on their own gave them time for introspection.   Reading materials were carefully cultivated (nothing glorifying murder - looking at you Paris....and grandma).  Lots of time learning a real-world trade, so they had something to focus on (things like being a cobbler for shoes, etc).  The warden was required to meet with each prisoner at least once a day.  Guards or caretakers had to check in at least 3 times a day.  The goal was rehabilitation, for most.  Cell walls were thick, and so there was no communication between inmates.  They were also not permitted to all be out at the same time (in their individual yard - surrounded by high walls).  They ate meals in their cells.  Times were different then, and crimes (for the most part) were as well.  It's not best suited for modern times, but things need to change - modern prisons do little other than guarantee the person will be worse when they leave.

[Brattinella]

Okay, does anyone have a clue as to what "The Golden State Killer" is?  What crimes, where, who is he?

[Josette]

8 hours ago, Brattinella said:

Okay, does anyone have a clue as to what "The Golden State Killer" is?  What crimes, where, who is he?

The Golden State Killer is the new moniker given by the late Michelle McNamara to the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker (EAR-ONS).  Nobody knows who he is.  If you want to be creeped out, listen to the audio of his voice.  The first time I heard it was on the old Cold Case Files.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Josette
grammar

[Brattinella]

3 hours ago, Josette said:

The Golden State Killer is the new moniker given by the late Michelle McNamara to the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker (EAR-ONS).  Nobody knows who he is.  If you want to be creeped out, listen to the audio of his voice.  The first time I heard it was on the old Cold Case Files.

Thank you so much.  I remember now, he stacked dishes on the victim's backs to alert him of movement.  I am so amazed this DB was never caught.  I lived in California during this period, so I studied those sketches.  Haven't listened to the tapes yet.  He's a monster who needs to get caught.

[Razzberry]

I'm reading Michelle McNamara's book that came out yesterday.   It's good and has some new information in it, but I don't think she will have a suspect by the end either.

[bubbls]

Regarding introspection and prison, I think that’s an excuse. While I agree it’s more difficult in prison, plenty of prisoners manage to get degrees. That certainly requires time and effort to study and think. Most importantly what it requires is motivation to better yourself in spite of your challenging circumstances, something I don’t see in Paris relative to his issues. But he’s young and has a lot of years ahead of him to think. He can make all the excuses he wants, but he can’t run from the truth within himself. 

I always find it extremely interesting when murderers are ashamed of their sex crimes. It seems to be pretty common. 

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Paris is a psychopath, to me. Always will be, I think.

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6 hours ago, Razzberry said:

I'm reading Michelle McNamara's book that came out yesterday.   It's good and has some new information in it, but I don't think she will have a suspect by the end either.

I want to buy it and I don’t want to buy it because the case freaks me out so much.

If I can get through both episodes of the ID special I think I’ll get it....