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[Jacqs]

There are female cult leaders too, who have been just as abusive as Jim Jones or David Koresh. The notion "but there are fewer of them!" doesn't really work when you remember that that's largely because of societal pressures and socialisation of women. As that disappears, you will see more girls and women acting on their bad and evil impulses. 

[Brattinella]

I can't think of any female cult leaders except that one in Australia, and Aimee Semple-McPherson, but they didn't kill anyone.

1 minute ago, Brattinella said:

I can't think of any female cult leaders except that one in Australia, and Aimee Semple-McPherson, but they didn't kill anyone.

Ahh you are in Australia.  Did she kill anybody?

[Jacqs]

No she didn't but i said "just as abusive", The Helen Reddy stereotype was the worst thing to happen to victims of female criminals, particularly children injured or murdered by female relatives or care-givers.

[mochamajesty]

On 9/2/2018 at 7:09 AM, renatae said:

That would be interesting to see. Several pages back, I posted the surgical report, which did not describe the wounds at all as superficial. I watched the whole series on Reasonable Doubt about Darlie, and there was footage of her from the time it was filmed, this year or last year, I believe, and you can still see the scars on her neck in shots that were taken several feet away at least. With all due respect to Dr. Santos, if those are superficial wounds, so are my surgical scars. Superficial wounds disappear after a short period of time; they do not remain after 20 years.

Which episode was this? I don’t see Darlie’s episodes on Seasons 1 or 2 of the ID channel. 

[funky-rat]

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There are female cult leaders too, who have been just as abusive as Jim Jones or David Koresh. The notion "but there are fewer of them!" doesn't really work when you remember that that's largely because of societal pressures and socialisation of women. As that disappears, you will see more girls and women acting on their bad and evil impulses. 

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No she didn't but i said "just as abusive", The Helen Reddy stereotype was the worst thing to happen to victims of female criminals, particularly children injured or murdered by female relatives or care-givers.

I've removed linking to their profile because I'm about to block them.  I did so on another forum I belong to where I belive they post under another name.  I saw an almost indentical Samantha Smith post there (except it was a granddaughter - not a niece - who wonders "how she can move her torso in that dress".  They have made some posts that lead me to believe they have an issue women and feminists, and while I am not a feminist, I don't care for the posts, and don't wish to have them quote me, insinuate that I said things, etc.

But yes, this person is correct that there are females who have co-run cults, or took them over after someone else founded them.  Bonnie Nettles co-founded Heaven's Gate with Marshall Applewhite, but it wasn't until her death that the suicide talk started to come up, along with the castration talk, and the group really ran off the rails.  Lois Roden ran the Branch Davidians after the death of her husband, but again, it was David Koresh who forged documents (essentially "stealing" the group) and took it completely off the rails.  Susan Alamo ran Alamo Christian Ministries, which eventually became Tony Alamo Ministries, and again went off the rails after her death.  Deborah Green helped run Army Of God.  Tiffanie Irwin took over Word Of Life after her father died.  And you could argue that Marcellene Jones was complicit in what Jim Jones did, as she turned the other way, and per their surviving son, often self-medicated to just check-out.  The list goes on, but those are some well-known examples.  At no time did I ever argue that women can't be cult leaders, but there are examples where things like child brides and molestation weren't the "norm" until after the woman in leadership was gone (either left, or died).

And as for disgusting actions against children being unforgiveable, that's absolutely correct.  Parents and cult leaders shouldn't be forgiven for that.  My diatribe about cults preying on seekers and the weak willed/weak minded was directed at adults.  Kids have no say, and that's terrifying.

[renatae]

5 hours ago, mochamajesty said:

Which episode was this? I don’t see Darlie’s episodes on Seasons 1 or 2 of the ID channel. 

I'm sorry, that was so long ago that I don't recall. I think around that time there was also a stand alone couple of programs about her.

[MissAlmond]

Nancy Grace of all people is vowing to expose wrongful accusations?   The same Nancy Grace who was ready to send the "Runaway Bride" fiancé to the big house?  Ah, the lure of money. 

https://deadline.com/2019/07/nancy-grace-vows-to-expose-wrongful-accusations-in-new-oxygen-series-1202642603/

[badhaggis]

6 hours ago, MissAlmond said:

Nancy Grace of all people is vowing to expose wrongful accusations?   The same Nancy Grace who was ready to send the "Runaway Bride" fiancé to the big house?  Ah, the lure of money. 

https://deadline.com/2019/07/nancy-grace-vows-to-expose-wrongful-accusations-in-new-oxygen-series-1202642603/

Yeah that is a hard pass for me.

Has anyone else watched Terry Dubrow's show on Oxygen "License to Kill"? The first episode was about Dr. Christopher Duntsch aka Dr. Death. I had never heard of him before. He was grossly incompetent. That one really stayed with me. Episode two was Dr. Christine Daniel who marketed herself as a woman of God and said and said she could fire incurable cancer among other diseases. However she was nothing more than a snake oil salesman. I started watching out of curiosity and the first episode pulled me right in. The dedication and perseverance of the two doctors that made it their mission to make sure his license was revoked so he could not hospital jump after killing and maiming patients was amazing. We really need a better system to block them from moving to another city to do it all over again.

Edited July 7, 2019 by badhaggis
Cat on lap demanding attention needed to add more.

[Razzberry]

I had to cut down on watching these shows because it really started to get to me.  But HLN's "Inside Evil with Chris Cuomo" tonight will be about Paris Bennett, the kid who murdered his baby sister.

[funky-rat]

17 hours ago, Razzberry said:

I had to cut down on watching these shows because it really started to get to me.  But HLN's "Inside Evil with Chris Cuomo" tonight will be about Paris Bennett, the kid who murdered his baby sister.

I DVR'd that.  Will watch it likely tonight.

[CrazyInAlabama]

I read an interview with Paris Bennett's mother, and she still visits him in prison, but is terrified of him at the same time.    He's eligible for parole in seven or eight years, and if he gets parole she's thinking of taking her remaining son, and going into hiding.  

What kind of monster stabs his four year old half sister to get revenge on his mother?    Too bad he didn't get life without parole, instead of 40 years.   I agree with others on here, that was just his excuse, and he wanted to kill someone.  

Edited July 11, 2019 by CrazyInAlabama

[funky-rat]

12 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I read an interview with Paris Bennett's mother, and she still visits him in prison, but is terrified of him at the same time.    He's eligible for parole in seven or eight years, and if he gets parole she's thinking of taking her remaining son, and going into hiding.  

What kind of monster stabs his four year old half sister to get revenge on his mother?    Too bad he didn't get life without parole, instead of 40 years.  

He was a juvenile, and they were unable to try him as an adult (I'm sure they would have if they were able), and that's the maximum sentence they could impose.  As intelligent as he is, he knows to be a model prisoner so they can't add time to his sentence.  At times, it sounded like he had some awareness, but then I really listened, and realized he's just saying what everyone wants to hear.  Then when he said he wouldn't do mental health therapy, it cemented it for me.  He should go from prison straight to a maximum security mental ward where he can't harm anyone else.

IMO, the "revenge on his mother" was something he overheard a lawyer or doctor say, and he's running with it.  I'm not sure I buy it.  It doesn't make sense.  I think it's just a thrill killing - he wanted to kill someone, and his 4 year old sister was an easy target.

Edited July 9, 2019 by funky-rat

[smittykins]

On 7/7/2019 at 9:17 AM, MissAlmond said:

Nancy Grace of all people is vowing to expose wrongful accusations?   The same Nancy Grace who was ready to send the "Runaway Bride" fiancé to the big house?  Ah, the lure of money. 

https://deadline.com/2019/07/nancy-grace-vows-to-expose-wrongful-accusations-in-new-oxygen-series-1202642603/

Whenever I see her on a 20/20 rerun, I change the channel.

[Jeeves]

5 hours ago, smittykins said:

Whenever I see her on a 20/20 rerun, I change the channel.

Me too. She's scum.

[Brattinella]

5 hours ago, smittykins said:

Whenever I see her on a 20/20 rerun, I change the channel.

When I see her face, I think "Tot-Mom" and change the channel.

[MissAlmond]

21 hours ago, smittykins said:

Whenever I see her on a 20/20 rerun, I change the channel.

Nancy Grace was always ready throw people in prison and refused to listen to even theoretical opposing viewpoints.  Now I'm suddenly supposed to believe she's championing wrongly convicted people?  She probably put them in prison in the first place!

Edited July 10, 2019 by MissAlmond

[funky-rat]

Long time ago, I liked Nancy Grace.  Then she became someone who changed her show set-up and personality to suit whatever the trend of the time was.  Now the trend is toward freeing innocent people (there are other shows out there for the same thing), so she's jumped on the bandwagon.

The show "The Soup" used to alternately refer to her as "Vesty Pansuit" and "Maude" (a nod to Bea Arthur's character, who often wore pantsuits and long vests).

[walnutqueen]

Last night's "Till Death Do Us Part" was interesting - especially the parrot part (African Greys are excellent at mimicking their owners' voices).  The daughter was shady as shit; the best friend was sincere; the drug connection, forensics and the wife walking around hiding the gun after shooting herself in the head - twice - before returning to the bedroom to lay down beside her husband certainly raised some doubts.  But what struck me was the incompetence of the firefighters first on the scene, who apparently didn't bother to ascertain that the wife was still alive before calling in two DOAs.  Then it took the cops 50 minutes before it dawned on them to check pulses and find the wife was alive.  Yikes!!!

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Last night's "Till Death Do Us Part" was interesting - especially the parrot part (African Greys are excellent at mimicking their owners' voices). 

That bit was weird. I couldn't decide whether to laugh at the image of a bird cussing up a storm, or be really creeped out at the whole, "Don't shoot!" thing. I love that the local newscasters reporting on the story seemed just as weirded out :p. 

[LuvMyShows]

2 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Last night's "Till Death Do Us Part" was interesting - especially the parrot part (African Greys are excellent at mimicking their owners' voices).  

That part was fascinating!  I have never heard of anything like the detail (switching voices) that the bird was able to do, and for such a long stretch of dialog, and to have only heard it once yet repeat it so well.  It almost makes you think it was fake, but that would some insanely elaborate scam with very little certainty that it would actually pay off!

[Brattinella]

That parrot was so traumatized by seeing (and hearing) his people get shot, I am not surprised he remembered it verbatim.

[walnutqueen]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

That part was fascinating!  I have never heard of anything like the detail (switching voices) that the bird was able to do, and for such a long stretch of dialog, and to have only heard it once yet repeat it so well.  It almost makes you think it was fake, but that would some insanely elaborate scam with very little certainty that it would actually pay off!

I had the pleasure of knowing a few African Greys - one was an uncanny mimic, who could perfectly replicate the voices, accents and inflections of each member of the family he lived with (as well as others who struck his fancy), and switch back and forth between them.  They are incredibly intelligent and sensitive creatures, and I have no doubt that the recording was authentic.

[hoosiermom]

I still have a problem with the woman shooting herself in the head twice, hiding the gun and walking back to bed. And then when the kids finally admitted to stealing the money right before trial? I was really surprised the jury came back with a guilty verdict. Don’t think with the info we were given that I could have.

[sskrill]

The Richard Slatkin murder - Johnny Whatshisface was guilty as hell.  And his stupid sister "Self Defense!"   Another blind, lying family member ...  how do you defend your brother hunting that man down??   He just wanted his washer and dryer ... and his exwife made a point to let him in the house to get them.  Your brother repeatedly being told by 911 to stay away from the house, but going there anyway, he deserves to die in prison.

Christina Slatkin was a tramp and I'm not at all surprised someone ended up being killed because of her.  Granted, I don't think she thought he would end up dead, but she knew she was playing with fire.  

And she wasn't even attractive ... to have reasonably successful, wealthy men end up fighting over her like that...  I guess some people just live (or die) for drama.

[LuvMyShows]

I'm looking for some suggestions as to where to watch old episodes of Dominick Dunne's Power Privilege and Justice episodes.  I've exhausted what I could find on Amazon, You Tube, Daily Motion, and iTunes, and those are the only places I found anything.  

I have found episodes on Justice Network, but they are not available on replay.

Edited July 12, 2019 by LuvMyShows
added about Justice Network

[atlantaloves]

Luvmyshows: There were only four seasons of Dominick's show made, it is on the justice channel, on demand if you have Comcast. Starting this Monday morning there will be four episodes of the 4th season. If you have a dvr, you should be in hog heaven. 💋

[SunnyBeBe]

I used to be a fan of Nancy Grace, then I wasn't, then was again. lol  She can be a little off putting, however, I do give her this.  She had one of the only national shows who actually focused on missing girls and women and put them on the tv five nights a week, imploring people to keep their eyes open, to call with any tips  and who would not let their memory die.  I'm not aware of anyone else who does that now and it's really needed.  There are so many missing people.  Some are no doubt victims of domestic violence and are lying somewhere in a shallow grave. Others are being held against their will in basements or attics.  Someone has to know something about their whereabouts.  

Anyone know where Jan Valez-Mitchell is?  

[SunnyBeBe]

Did anyone see Women Who Kill with Piers Morgan? (I could find no thread for this show.)   I'm no fan of his, but, happened to catch a couple of these shows on A&E.  This one young woman who is in  prison for a VERY long time was convicted of murdering a 15 year-old when she was also 15.  It was said that she was the mastermind, but, I think this other guy who she liked was more hands in the brutal murder and burning of this boy's body. It was her and some other co-defendants. I think that several of them are serving long sentences.   Her name is Amber Wright.  You really do have to watch these teen killers, imo. While we want to rehabilitate, I'm not sure it's possible with some of them. It's like something is just not there.  During this interview she was solemn and contrite, saying that she wasn't an evil person. She took responsibility for her part and seemed to take things seriously, but, something just didn't ring true. I don't recall any tears, though, that's not all that difficult to fake.  THEN, Piers mentioned the prospect of communicating with her ex-boyfriend (co-defendant) and her face lit up.  Obviously, he was what she was really excited about. The only smile to come to her face, though, she tried to cover it up and denied that she would know what to say to him.    To me, it showed just how unchanged this woman is. She's still excited over a killer.  

Edited July 13, 2019 by SunnyBeBe

[LuvMyShows]

Breaking Homicide was interesting this week.  If the episode is to be believed, Derrick broke the case wide open in a totally unexpected direction by interviewing the guy who used to work at the restaurant that was a front for the illegal business being run by the cop's dad.  Prior to that, it was the cop that was presumed guilty, since he was mean.  But since the cop's dad was basically a big-deal evil kingpin, it sure seems like the local detectives would have known all about him.  And since Sharon (?) was apparently involved in some of those nefarious pursuits, along with the other victim who was a prostitute for the cop's dad, the detectives would seemingly have encountered both these women in that capacity, and maybe realized a connection between all three.  But instead it sure seemed like the detectives thought Sharon was 100% legit for working at Harrah's.

[renatae]

On 7/6/2019 at 2:26 AM, Jacqs said:

No she didn't but i said "just as abusive", The Helen Reddy stereotype was the worst thing to happen to victims of female criminals, particularly children injured or murdered by female relatives or care-givers.

Can you explain "Helen Reddy stereotype?" I'm completely clueless. Thanks!

[Jacqs]

The Helen Reddy song "I Am Woman (Hear Me Roar)"

[Shriekingeel]

My goodness, I had to stop watching ID’s new Impact Of Murder show after 20 minutes. It consisted of unrelieved grief and anguish and pain and nothing else. Too hard to take.  

[Annber03]

Oh, my god, tonight's "Evil Lives Here"...I remember hearing about those crimes in the news when they happened. .Those towns are only a little over an hour away from where I live. 

Wow. What a creepy backstory on that guy. 

[LuvMyShows]

I was confused by something on the new show Murder Board, "Death in the Cemetery".  (BTW, it's stupid for them to have called the show that, because the Murder Board was just something that the showed a few times, but it was not integral at all to the solving of the crime.)  Early on in the ep, they cleared the step-brother (?) because he drove a red truck but it wasn't seen leaving the scene, and he was working at the neighbor's house all day so he had an alibi.  Later when they got info about a motive for him, they started reconsidering him, and it turns out he did it.  But unless I missed it, they never circled back to the issue of him driving a red truck but the day of the crime he was driving a green truck, or to whenever the alibi must have been disproved.

[LuvMyShows]

Very weird.  I just watched Forbidden: Dying for Love, "Together Forever, Forever Together," and it was the first time that I've been unsympathetic to the narrator.  Her daughter in 9th grade met a boy in 12th grade, and for that reason alone, she adamantly didn't want the two of them to be together, to the point that she apparently never even got to know him.  She had also arbitrarily decided that the girl couldn't date until she was 16, and by her own admission, refused to actually have a conversation with her daughter about why. 

They never showed even one character trait about him that was even moderately undesirable, nor did the mother mention one, which I've never seen happen on any true crime show where we were supposed to sympathize with the narrator (who suffered a loss).  She kept talking about protecting her daughter, but she never said from what...it sounded more like a control based in fear.  Sure as a parent, I wouldn't have liked the situation either, but none of her forbidding them did any good, so why not try to at least get to know who he is as a person?  Then she could be making decisions from a position of knowledge and rationality rather than from fear and raw emotion.

[funky-rat]

5 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

Very weird.  I just watched Forbidden: Dying for Love, "Together Forever, Forever Together," and it was the first time that I've been unsympathetic to the narrator.  Her daughter in 9th grade met a boy in 12th grade, and for that reason alone, she adamantly didn't want the two of them to be together, to the point that she apparently never even got to know him.  She had also arbitrarily decided that the girl couldn't date until she was 16, and by her own admission, refused to actually have a conversation with her daughter about why. 

They never showed even one character trait about him that was even moderately undesirable, nor did the mother mention one, which I've never seen happen on any true crime show where we were supposed to sympathize with the narrator (who suffered a loss).  She kept talking about protecting her daughter, but she never said from what...it sounded more like a control based in fear.  Sure as a parent, I wouldn't have liked the situation either, but none of her forbidding them did any good, so why not try to at least get to know who he is as a person?  Then she could be making decisions from a position of knowledge and rationality rather than from fear and raw emotion.

I didn't see this one, but I agree.  When I was in 9th grade, an 11th grader showed interest in me and wanted to know if we could go out.  My mom was iffy on it, and tried to explain how there's a big difference between 14 and 17 year olds, but she didn't flat-out say no.  I could meet him at the movies, provided it was an early show, and she would pick me up afterward.  I was also able to invite him along on family outings.  I was under no circumstances to go out with him in his car.  She had several friends who had lost teenage children to car accidents, and I'm an only child.  The kids I knew who got in trouble (legal, pregnant, etc), were the ones who had ultra-strict parents who clamped down with nothing more than "Because I say so".  My parents enabled me to make decisions, but also equipped me to make good ones, and I did.

[SunnyBeBe]

I had a different take on Forbidden Love, Dying for Love. I thought the mother didn't follow up or properly supervise the daughter.  Sorry, but, if you are not allowed to be socializing because you have lied and been involved in an illegal relationship, then, you wouldn't be out socializing. Her mom didn't seem to know how to confirm her daughter's location after school.   And, the mother was so gullible.  OMG, I thought mothers knew when their kids were lying.  She just kept buying all the lies.  And, to me, it's not appropriate for an 18 year old to date and have sex with a 14 year-old, which is what it was in the beginning. Plus, it's also a felony.  I'm not sure why someone didn't explain this to the young man and the girl for the beginning.  Often it's statutory rape if the girl is 15 or under AND the other person is more than 3 years older than the victim.  So, when she was 14 and he was 18, that was a felony, every time they had sex.  He could have gotten a lot of time for it, though, it's not often prosecuted.  I know of a few people in my parent's community who have been prosecuted for it, though, and they had to register as a sex offender.  These were consenting girls who they thought were older, but, it made no difference to police.  

[LuvMyShows]

38 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I had a different take on Forbidden Love, Dying for Love. I thought the mother didn't follow up or properly supervise the daughter.  Sorry, but, if you are not allowed to be socializing because you have lied and been involved in an illegal relationship, then, you wouldn't be out socializing. Her mom didn't seem to know how to confirm her daughter's location after school.   And, the mother was so gullible.  OMG, I thought mothers knew when their kids were lying.  She just kept buying all the lies.  And, to me, it's not appropriate for an 18 year old to date and have sex with a 14 year-old, which is what it was in the beginning. Plus, it's also a felony.  I'm not sure why someone didn't explain this to the young man and the girl for the beginning.  Often it's statutory rape if the girl is 15 or under AND the other person is more than 3 years older than the victim.  So, when she was 14 and he was 18, that was a felony, every time they had sex.  He could have gotten a lot of time for it, though, it's not often prosecuted.  I know of a few people in my parent's community who have been prosecuted for it, though, and they had to register as a sex offender.  These were consenting girls who they thought were older, but, it made no difference to police.  

Yes, that's exactly it.  The mother was effectively putting her hands over her ears and eyes and saying "La la la", rather than have a talk with her daughter where all of that could have been discussed.  The mother was gullible AF, but she was also unwilling to actually confront the situation as it was.  The couple wasn't having sex right from the jump, so there is a chance that the mother could have affected things for the positive.  And either way, she was reacting without actually knowing the young man in question, and it still seems as though she doesn't think that was a problem and that she still thinks the way she handled everything was optimum.

[SunnyBeBe]

Too bad they lost their lives. Both were very immature. I don't think they really understood how death would work.

[nokat]

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 3:43 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Too bad they lost their lives. Both were very immature. I don't think they really understood how death would work.

This show, I had so many thoughts about it. I both thought the guy was too old to be dating a fifteen year old, and also that the mother should have gotten to know him a bit.  When you're that age you think no one has ever loved this way before, so deeply, do truly. Of course it's nonsense, and any teen who isn't dumb from hormones should realize that you're not the only two to be 'in love.' Any parent would know the more you say no, the more in 'love' that you are.

To be honest, I'm glad they decided to end their own lives and not kill parents.
 

[Annber03]

On 7/16/2019 at 3:45 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

I had a different take on Forbidden Love, Dying for Love. I thought the mother didn't follow up or properly supervise the daughter.  Sorry, but, if you are not allowed to be socializing because you have lied and been involved in an illegal relationship, then, you wouldn't be out socializing. Her mom didn't seem to know how to confirm her daughter's location after school.   And, the mother was so gullible.  OMG, I thought mothers knew when their kids were lying.  She just kept buying all the lies.  And, to me, it's not appropriate for an 18 year old to date and have sex with a 14 year-old, which is what it was in the beginning. Plus, it's also a felony.  I'm not sure why someone didn't explain this to the young man and the girl for the beginning.  Often it's statutory rape if the girl is 15 or under AND the other person is more than 3 years older than the victim.  So, when she was 14 and he was 18, that was a felony, every time they had sex.  He could have gotten a lot of time for it, though, it's not often prosecuted.  I know of a few people in my parent's community who have been prosecuted for it, though, and they had to register as a sex offender.  These were consenting girls who they thought were older, but, it made no difference to police.  

This is pretty much how I feel as well. The 18 year old may well have been a decent guy, but yeah, I wouldn't feel comfortable letting a 14 year old date an 18 year old, either. Just too much chance for issues and risks, and I find it hard to believe that the 18 year old couldn't possibly find other girls his age to focus on instead (unless, of course, they notice that he doesn't seem to be mature enough for them, if he's showing interest in a 14 year old). 

I also think we really need to impress upon people that Romeo and Juliet is NOT a how-to guide. It's called a tragedy for a reason. 

[nokat]

1 minute ago, Annber03 said:

I also think we really need to impress upon people that Romeo and Juliet is NOT a how-to guide. It's called a tragedy for a reason.

Impress upon children and adults.  That is NOT a romance.
 

[Persnickety1]

On 3/8/2019 at 10:36 PM, kathyk24 said:

I absolutely believe Jeffrey MacDonald is guilty. A group of murderers wouldn't kill a two year old and leave him alive to testify. 

Playing catch up on this thread and grabbed your quote, @kathyk24, but there are many posts about MacDonald.

Back in the mid 80s, I worked with a girl whose husband was a Long Beach police officer on the special forces or SWAT team, something higher up in the department.

She informed me that MacDonald was heralded by the LBPD as the greatest surgeon ever to walk the earth because he had saved quite a few of the boys in blue...

In fact, MacDonald was so highly regarded by LBPD that they would make arrangements to have him perform surgeries on wounded officers...whilst he was in prison.  She said her husband told her they would escort him out of the prison and return him after the surgeries were completed.  

I was appalled to think that monster was being allowed "working vacations" out of his cell to practice medicine.

She was a sweet gal, and I can't think of any reason she would have to be less than truthful about what her husband had confided in her.  

Equal justice my ass.  

[Annber03]

2 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

In fact, MacDonald was so highly regarded by LBPD that they would make arrangements to have him perform surgeries on wounded officers...whilst he was in prison.  She said her husband told her they would escort him out of the prison and return him after the surgeries were completed. 

...the fuck?!?!

That'd make quite the premise for a horror movie. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Does anyone recall the special called Who Killed Angie Dodge on ID Discovery?  The wrongfully convicted man has finally been released.  The victim's mother was instrumental in fighting for his exoneration. 

https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/who-killed-angie-dodge-keith-morrison-investigates/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7264885/Man-served-20-years-prison-rape-murder-cleared.html

[partofme]

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Does anyone recall the special called Who Killed Angie Dodge on ID Discovery?  The wrongfully convicted man has finally been released.  The victim's mother was instrumental in fighting for his exoneration. 

https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/who-killed-angie-dodge-keith-morrison-investigates/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7264885/Man-served-20-years-prison-rape-murder-cleared.html

Thats' such great news!  Angie's mother is awesome.  I never understand families who just seem to want anyone convicted and seem okay with the wrong person being convicted when that means their child's killer is still on the streets.

[SunnyBeBe]

7 minutes ago, partofme said:

Thats' such great news!  Angie's mother is awesome.  I never understand families who just seem to want anyone convicted and seem okay with the wrong person being convicted when that means their child's killer is still on the streets.

OH, that's right. I don't get it, either. Also, I don't get when the killer is obviously guilty with loads of evidence and the family members continue to staunchly defend them as innocent!  Boggles the mind. Makes me wonder if they are afraid of them. That, they might get killed if they are honest.  I saw a show recently about this teen girl who murdered her mother, but, this one family member aunt or something totally disregarded the evidence against her.  No matter how incriminating it was, she would come up with an excuse.  OMG, the rest of the family did not defend or support her.  Sad thing is that there was an error in the trial and the girl was released from prison.  So, she only did a few years for first degree murder of her mother!!! NO justice in that case.  I can't recall her name...anyone know?  She went to a drug store in the middle of the night and was caught on camera buying something that linked her to the murder, AND, she had a cut on her finger from the stabbing, which she gave 6 different versions of how she got it.  

[Razzberry]

23 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

In fact, MacDonald was so highly regarded by LBPD that they would make arrangements to have him perform surgeries on wounded officers...whilst he was in prison.  She said her husband told her they would escort him out of the prison and return him after the surgeries were completed.  

I think her husband was pulling her leg.  MacDonald was in a Federal prison and wasn't even allowed to practice medicine on other prisoners.

I swear if I see that Todd Kohlhep preview one more time I'm gonna scream.  A 3-parter, really? Enough on that slob!

[CrazyInAlabama]

McDonald probably did do surgeries before he was retried, but not after he was in custody.   

[LuvMyShows]

Watched the latest Breaking Homicide episode A Deadly Encounter.  And I don't at all think that the brothers committed the murder, although I have no guess as to who did.  The MO for the murder/rape that they did do later that morning, is nothing like what happened to Amber.  And Amber's sister said that when she heard Amber outside saying "Don't" (or whatever she said), she thought it sounded like Amber was talking to someone she knew...and I would add that if two black male strangers rolled up on Amber at 2 in the morning in her sister's driveway and started trying to rob her (prior to shooting her), that she would have been screaming a lot more than just "Don't".