S07.E06: Double Down On Delusion

[selhars]

1) Ramona initially brings up the topic of Mario (in the limo) -- and then turns around and says she doesn't want to talk about him. SHE brought it up.

2) Sonja black shoes sooooo did not go with her silver dress.

3) Why can't Sonja shut up when people are talking to her...especially when Bethenney was talking to her -- trying to get through to her after her drunken night. Because she's Sonja, that's why.

4) Dorinda has her pluses. But I still think she's more bitch, than not.

5) Hate to say it but I loved Carole's boobs T-shirt.

6) As for all the arguing, in the limo and at the table...I dont' know WHAT to make of that.

7) Bethenney is a bitch, too. She got bent out of shape about Carole's dig against her, and she DID turn around and do the same thing to Sonja. oh, but she didn't want to hear that. Bitch.

[ryebread]

Sonja is going to be another Kim Richards mixing pills and alcohol. And I doubt the pills she's taking are all vitamins. She's probably taking prescription meds.

I did enjoy seeing Atlantic City, a place I'll probably never get to see.

 

Kim Richards has 70+ pages dedicated to her shenanigans.  But even at what was her supposed worst (Poker Night) she wasn't 1/10th as wasted as Sonja was. 

 

The Borgata looks nice for a hotel and casino.  The rest of Atlantic City is really kind of awful, though.

[Mozelle]

So basically, Sonja is an artist, and she's sensitive about her shit.

 

I love you for this!

[rehoboth]

I really loved Bethenny tonight.  Her talk with Sonja was so real and so necessary.  Maybe Sonja will get the full gist of what B was saying later on.

 

Also, can anyone explain what happened when they got to Sonja's house?  There was so much screaming that I could not really hear anything.

 

And then I think I tuned them all out til B peed on the street.

[ihartcoffee]

I can't believe what it is like in front of Sonja's house. All that construction and traffic! She didn't want them coming in because the place is falling apart is my guess.

[RedheadZombie]

Who was the genius who yelled, "We're in Vegas!"?

 

Most people get more honest when they drink.  Sonja just gets more deluded.  It's really starting to look like a mental illness. 

 

I don't care how tongue-in-cheek it is, bragging about your "amazing body at fifty", and how you wasted it on journalism instead of the stripper pole, is not a good look.

 

Carole paid for a pro to do her makeup before dinner?

 

Is "snatch guard" a thing?  Maybe I party with the wrong crowd.

[Rhetorica]

Gawd, Heather is like a self winding watch, the more she speaks the more she speaks! I couldn't be around her for more than five minutes. Sonja probably does party with John John. I'm sure he's at his great Aunt's house with Big Edie and her daughter Edith. I never want the job of a snatchguard...

[potato]

Wtf is a "pharmapsychologist"? Was Sonja confused or just embarrassed to admit she sees a psychiatrist? 

 

Either way her delusion and inner ugliness were truly displayed this ep. 

[racked]

This is the Bethenny I love! Throw her in with the crazy bitchy women and let her go wild. She was simultaneously making me laugh and say Amen during her multiple attempts to talk sense into Sonja.

Carole grows more embarrassing each week. I saw your neck lady! Nobody wants to suck on that mess.

[JoJoPowerRanger]

I can't believe what it is like in front of Sonja's house. All that construction and traffic! She didn't want them coming in because the place is falling apart is my guess.

The last time I shunned friends from entering my apartment, I had a stack of like 10 pizza boxes waiting for recycling and a massive amount of clothes strewn everywhere, but I can't afford a maid.  

 

Oh wait... I guess neither can Lady Morgan :/

[AnnA]

I did enjoy seeing Atlantic City, a place I'll probably never get to see.

 

If you don't get to see Atlantic City, you're not missing anything.  It's a dump.  The casinos are gorgeous but the rest of the city is terribly run down.   It's NOTHING like Las Vegas.  There are casinos all around the country.  If you haven't been to one, they're beautiful and can be fun but there's nothing in Atlantic City worth seeing.

[zoeysmom]

Kim Richards has 70+ pages dedicated to her shenanigans.  But even at what was her supposed worst (Poker Night) she wasn't 1/10th as wasted as Sonja was. 

 

The Borgata looks nice for a hotel and casino.  The rest of Atlantic City is really kind of awful, though.

I am thinking about 40 pages of Kim Richards were after her arrest.  She trumped Sonja there.

[ryebread]

Either way her delusion and inner ugliness were truly displayed this ep. 

I think she's delusional and I hope Kristen never needs to grandstand and announce it dramatically again because it's now obvious, imo, that there really is something wrong with Sonja. 

 

As far as inner ugliness, I'm going to have to side with Bethenny.  (Hell hath frozen over.)  I don't think there's a mean bone in Sonja's body.  She's sad and disorganized and is probably abusing booze and pills.  But she is no Kim Richards.  Now, that's what ugly insides looks like.

[JoJoPowerRanger]

If you don't get to see Atlantic City, you're not missing anything.  It's a dump.  The casinos are gorgeous but the rest of the city is terribly run down.   It's NOTHING like Las Vegas.  There are casinos all around the country.  If you haven't been to one, they're beautiful and can be fun but there's nothing in Atlantic City worth seeing.

Hear, hear! I totally agree, plus a bunch of the casinos have gone out of business.  The first thing I thought when I saw the ladies was that they're overdressed.  AC is the city of t-shirts and knee length jean shorts and velcro sandals. 

[Mozelle]

I am thinking about 40 pages of Kim Richards were after her arrest.  She trumped Sonja there.

 

Right. It's a low bar, but Sonja can at least say she never got so wasted that she kicked a police officer.

[lunastartron]

I understand that Sonja's lack of decorum can probably be infuriating - especially considering her talent for pretentiousness and attempts to style herself as a maven of manners. However, I did find Heather's indignation (or, more specifically, the way she elected to express it) rather rich and somewhat amusing. Last year, she and Carole decided that there was a problem with Aviva's declaration in St. Barth's that Sonja was "sad," "on a downward spiral," and would become the next Anna Nicole Smith. Now, when it's convenient, Heather has discovered it's appropriate to expound at length about the particulars of Sonja's escapades and how she had to "carry her up to her bedroom" (which is just not physically possible; I've had to carry drunks much smaller than me back to their living quarters and believe you me, there's no way Heather could lift Lady Morgan's dead weight) both in talking heads and to the other women. And it's gasp-worthy to call Sonja what she appears to be, an "alcoholic," but totes cool to label her a "fucking bitch." Also, why was it necessary to upbraid Bethenny for her tardiness when Sonja wasn't even in the car? I'm glad Bethenny called Heather out reciprocally because right now it just seems like Heather is desperate for some sort of moral high ground over B . . . I will reserve further judgment, but, additionally, if you're going to drama queen over your girlfriend's choice to get her swerve on because she brought back a "strange man" to a house in which many others were presumably staying, then you probably shouldn't let the drunk friend about whom you care so much wander off into the bowels of a hotel by herself. Glad Dorinda took the lead on ensuring Sonja safely got back to her room even if it's improbable that nothing would have happened to her. She - Dorinda - went out of her way to be kind when she didn't have to be and when Sonja was undoubtedly insufferable . . . The bunny ears? I felt uncomfortable for Carole.

[AndreaK1041]

So basically, Sonja is an artist, and she's sensitive about her shit.

If this genius comment is not one of the featured quotes on the front page of p.tv tomorrow, I don't know what the world has come to. Well done.

[applecrisp]

I really don't like Carole.

[Straycat80]

If you don't get to see Atlantic City, you're not missing anything.  It's a dump.  The casinos are gorgeous but the rest of the city is terribly run down.   It's NOTHING like Las Vegas.  There are casinos all around the country.  If you haven't been to one, they're beautiful and can be fun but there's nothing in Atlantic City worth seeing.

Good to know. Luckily I've been to Las Vegas several times and other casinos in the Midwest too.

Luann is on WWHL tonight. Here comes more trash talking Carole and her boyfriend!

[lunastartron]

This may be the one time I defend Carole, but I don't think she was actually contending that she had an amazing body; I thought she was attempting to be tongue in cheek because she had donned the cleavage tee shirt (which in itself is wince-worthy, but that's another story) and, thus, instantaneously was able to boast of a strip pole-worthy physique.

[AnnA]

Hear, hear! I totally agree, plus a bunch of the casinos have gone out of business.  The first thing I thought when I saw the ladies was that they're overdressed.  AC is the city of t-shirts and knee length jean shorts and velcro sandals. 

 

Whew!   I was so glad to read your post.  

 

When I saw that someone had quoted my post, I was concerned that I might have offended someone.

[SFoster21]

I liked Kristen's mismatched shoes. Was really cute, imo.

[crgirl412]

Wtf is a "pharmapsychologist"? Was Sonja confused or just embarrassed to admit she sees a psychiatrist? 

 

Either way her delusion and inner ugliness were truly displayed this ep. 

She said Neuropharmacologist.  I just learned what that was two days ago!  She is likely seeing one in private practice. 

 

Neuropharmacologists who earn a master's degree can expect job duties resembling those of research assistants or research associates. These include setting up and monitoring experiments, interviewing test subjects, recording test results and assisting with grant applications.

 

If you have earned a doctorate, your job duties will be a mix of research, patient care and teaching depending on whether you work for a government agency, hospital, university or private company. Positions with a government agency or private company emphasize research, with limited patient interaction and little or no teaching. Positions at a hospital revolve around patient interaction and research, with the potential for teaching informally through mentor relationships or interaction with medical students. University positions are oriented towards teaching and research. Neuropharmacologists may also need to attend conferences, write research findings for publication and apply for grants.

 

http://learn.org/articles/Neuropharmacologist_Frequently_Asked_Career_and_Salary_Questions.html

[ryebread]

Now, when it's convenient, Heather has discovered it's appropriate to expound at length about the particulars of Sonja's escapades and how she had to "carry her up to her bedroom" (which is just not physically possible; I've had to carry drunks much smaller than me back to their living quarters and believe you me, there's no way Heather could lift Lady Morgan's dead weight) both in talking heads and to the other women. And it's gasp-worthy to call Sonja what she appears to be, an "alcoholic," but totes cool to label her a "fucking bitch."

 

There was a lot in this episode.  That TH with Heather will get swept to the wayside because Sonja and Bethenny's parts were so compelling tonight. But yeah, I'll have to rewatch that and come back later.  But twice tonight I remember thinking, "What a raging bitch." The first time it was that TH with Heather and then when Luann told Ramona at the restaurant how much better she was without Mario.  It wasn't just what she said - it was the smug laughter and shoulder shrugging and hair tossing. Made me want to stand up and smash a glass on the table.

[AnnA]

She said Neuropharmacologist.  I just learned what that was two days ago!  

 

Damn!  It happened again!

 

Watching RH's turned out to be educational.   :)

There was a lot in this episode.  That TH with Heather will get swept to the wayside because Sonja and Bethenny's parts were so compelling tonight. But yeah, I'll have to rewatch that and come back later.  But twice tonight I remember thinking, "What a raging bitch." The first time it was that TH with Heather and then when Luann told Ramona at the restaurant how much better she was without Mario.  It wasn't just what she said - it was the smug laughter and shoulder shrugging and hair tossing. Made me want to stand up and smash a glass on the table.

 

Not too long ago there was a discussion here on the forum about the "new" LuAnn.  I never liked Miss Money Can't Buy You Class but even I thought she had changed.    Her remarks to Ramona about Mario and especially her demeanor were shades of the Countess from way back when.

[HunterHunted]

Last year, she and Carole decided that there was a problem with Aviva's declaration in St. Barth's that Sonja was "sad," "on a downward spiral," and would become the next Anna Nicole Smith.

To be fair to Heather and Carole, I think most of their irritation about the Anna Nicole Smith comment was that Aviva bizarrely insisted it was a compliment.

[motorcitymom65]

 

 

As far as inner ugliness, I'm going to have to side with Bethenny.  (Hell hath frozen over.)  I don't think there's a mean bone in Sonja's body.  She's sad and disorganized and is probably abusing booze and pills.  But she is no Kim Richards.  Now, that's what ugly insides looks like.

I agree. She is no Kim Richards, and she might not be mean, but she is thoughtless at the very least. According to Kristen's blog, she wanted for everyone to meet at her pad. They got there and lugged all of their luggage to her front door and she turned them away. She recommended that they take that luggage back down the street to a Starbuck's and wait for their transportation. In the rain. In the cold. I just cannot imagine a situation where I would do that to my friends. I would have been beyond pissed in the same situation and I would have been loud about it. The thing that would have really set me off, however, was her response, which was to act like it wasn't a really big deal. If there was a situation that made it necessary for her to not let the girls in, at the very least she should have been incredibly sorry and told them so. 

[ryebread]

Good to know. Luckily I've been to Las Vegas several times and other casinos in the Midwest too.

 

Believe it or not, Detroit has some decent casinos AND the downtown area is MUCH nicer and more vibrant than Atlantic City.   Now, in either city you wouldn't want to wander too far off the beaten path but Detroit has a lively nightlife aside from the casinos.  Atlantic City does not. 

 

Topic? I don't like Carole either. For someone who wants to portray 'laid back', 'carefree' and 'effortless', she tries harder than any one I've ever seen.  I'll bet even Adam doesn't find the bunny ears funny or sexy.  If he and Nicole are still friends and she's the type that wants to get in some digs about his new girl, Carole gave her loads of ammunition tonight.

[WireWrap]

I think she's delusional and I hope Kristen never needs to grandstand and announce it dramatically again because it's now obvious, imo, that there really is something wrong with Sonja. 

 

As far as inner ugliness, I'm going to have to side with Bethenny.  (Hell hath frozen over.)  I don't think there's a mean bone in Sonja's body.  She's sad and disorganized and is probably abusing booze and pills.  But she is no Kim Richards.  Now, that's what ugly insides looks like.

In her blog tonight, Kristen admits she thought Sonja was acting like she did last season on purpose but now realizes the woman is not well. Her blog was pretty good.

 

I understand that Sonja's lack of decorum can probably be infuriating - especially considering her talent for pretentiousness and attempts to style herself as a maven of manners. However, I did find Heather's indignation (or, more specifically, the way she elected to express it) rather rich and somewhat amusing. Last year, she and Carole decided that there was a problem with Aviva's declaration in St. Barth's that Sonja was "sad," "on a downward spiral," and would become the next Anna Nicole Smith. Now, when it's convenient, Heather has discovered it's appropriate to expound at length about the particulars of Sonja's escapades and how she had to "carry her up to her bedroom" (which is just not physically possible; I've had to carry drunks much smaller than me back to their living quarters and believe you me, there's no way Heather could lift Lady Morgan's dead weight) both in talking heads and to the other women. And it's gasp-worthy to call Sonja what she appears to be, an "alcoholic," but totes cool to label her a "fucking bitch." Also, why was it necessary to upbraid Bethenny for her tardiness when Sonja wasn't even in the car? I'm glad Bethenny called Heather out reciprocally because right now it just seems like Heather is desperate for some sort of moral high ground over B . . . I will reserve further judgment, but, additionally, if you're going to drama queen over your girlfriend's choice to get her swerve on because she brought back a "strange man" to a house in which many others were presumably staying, then you probably shouldn't let the drunk friend about whom you care so much wander off into the bowels of a hotel by herself. Glad Dorinda took the lead on ensuring Sonja safely got back to her room even if it's improbable that nothing would have happened to her. She - Dorinda - went out of her way to be kind when she didn't have to be and when Sonja was undoubtedly insufferable . . . The bunny ears? I felt uncomfortable for Carole.

Kristen's blog explained that both she and Heather did not get to take their kids to school because they were to be at Sonja's house at a certain time and when Ramona arrived she said Bethenny was late because she took her daughter crosstown to school/preschool and that along with waiting in the cold rain ticked them off. She suggested that all Bethenny had to do was text everyone she would be late because of that, the night before so everyone could adjust their schedules. Heather could have handled it better though but if the shoe was on Bethenny's foot, I am sure she would have been furious as well, rightly so, IMO.

[crgirl412]

 

Made me want to stand up and smash a glass on the table.

Don't do it Lisa!.... um......er......I mean, ryebread!!! 

 

I agree that her tone was very bitchy!  The Countess wasn't too broken up emotionally over the demise of her marriage as I think they did have an "understanding."  She was more upset about the loss of housing, money and status which makes her comment event worse since she knows that Ramona is really hurting since she loved Mario. 

[TVFAN]

I hope this "reality" show truly is anything but real.  Their lives seem to empty and sad.  There is a time for everything in life.  Most people are past getting stupid drunk and getting hickeys once they hit 30.  I'm not saying that age should be a barrier to having fun, but what they are doing just doesn't look fun at all to me.  

 

They have actually regressed over the years.  We used to see more of them at work, with their children, and at up-scale events like Fashion Week.   That was so much more interesting than watching the equivalent of spring break! 

[izabella]

I think my ears are still bleeding.  I wish I had thought to turn on closed captioning and muted this episode. But then,  I don't know if I can read as fast as Bethenny talks.  I do have to hand it to her - she managed to get Sonja to pay attention for 20 seconds at a time.  I don't think Sonja took it to heart, or even really heard Bethenny.  I guess Sonja needs to retreat to her delusions or she'll have a nervous breakdown, but she's not open to anything that requires her to face reality. 

 

This is shaping up into a dark season. 

Edited May 13, 2015 by izabella

[bagger]

Did Carol say that if she had known she'd have such a "great" body at 50 she would have been a stripper? Does she really think she has such a great body at 50? Maybe it's just me but to me she's just skinny. I know shallow but y'all have said everything else so well. I'll have to wait for a second viewing to come up with something less shallow.

I think my ears are still bleeding.  I wish I had thought to turn on closed captioning on and muted this episode. But then,  I don't know if I can read as fast as Bethenny talks.  I do have to hand it to her - she managed to get Sonja to pay attention for 20 seconds at a time.  I don't think Sonja took it to heart, or even really heard Bethenny.  I guess Sonja needs to retreat to her delusions or she'll have a nervous breakdown, but she's not open to anything that requires her to face reality. 

 

This is shaping up into a dark season. 

Sonja showed such a lack of self-awareness especially during her last scene with Bethenny that I'm astounded that she's managing to raise a child and manages to get herself dressed in the morning. She thought Bethenny was PROJECTING? Come on! Surely something of what Bethenny was saying must have rang some bells.

[LilaFowler]

Another thing that I find hard to believe is that Sonja is claiming that her $7M lawsuit is what's preventing her from moving on from her ex.  Nah.  I think even if she settled that thing tomorrow, she'd find something else to blame for still being hung up on him.  She's the queen of excuses.  And really, I don't think she misses him as much as she misses being Mrs. John Morgan with endless money and connections. 

[lunastartron]

I still crack up a little bit whenever I recall Aviva arguing that the Anna Nicole comparison was something to appreciate rather than about which to get upset. "She's an icon!" But I have to disagree that Heather and Carole were upset over that point. I remember specifically a scene in which Kristen was modeling outside and H/C had come to the conclusion, more than a year later, that they couldn't countenance the way Aviva "spoke to people." This was replete with hushed, scandalized whispers and Kristen's signature jaw-drops. "She said that?" Kristen asked incredulously even though she would go on herself to say that Sonja and Ramona were like her "drunk aunts." And I also had to roll my eyes at Ramona's exasperation tonight and protests that she couldn't be around Sonja. Girl, you've been every bit as sloppy (well, okay, not every bit because assignations in the shrubbery are a high bar to match) as Sonja on multiple on-screen occasions.

[motorcitymom65]

Believe it or not, Detroit has some decent casinos AND the downtown area is MUCH nicer and more vibrant than Atlantic City.   Now, in either city you wouldn't want to wander too far off the beaten path but Detroit has a lively nightlife aside from the casinos.  Atlantic City does not. 

 

 

Preach it Ryebread! Detroit is better than AC.  Come and enjoy our downtown and a casino or two. Please!!!

 

OK, I am in 100% GD pain because I am in a casino hotel in CT (work, not fun) and this hotel sees no necessity to offer Bravo among their 200 channel offerings. Therefore, I have to piece together the episode from all of you smart/funny people. Am I to understand that Ramona said something about not being able to deal with Sonja when she is drunk? Since when? Isn't she usually her side kick in these situations? Or has she realized from the many comments over the last couple of seasons that hanging with the sinking ship that is Sonja isn't so much fun when the feedback starts coming? 

[Mozelle]

So, I had a different takeaway of that final scene between Bethenny and Sonja. I kept getting the feeling that Bethenny wanted more to talk about the heartache and hardship she's endured since the demise of her marriage, and she had the perfect opening given that Sonja was going through what Sonja always goes through. Bethenny kept saying that she wanted to talk about Sonja, but there were too many times when Sonja drove the topic back to herself and you could see Bethenny's exasperation over Sonja (rightfully?) thinking that she (Sonja) was supposed to be the topic of conversation.
 
This talk differed from that in the first episode when Ramona and Sonja were supposed to be talking about how Ramona was doing now that she was separated from Mario while Sonja kept taking over the conversation and making it all about her. 
 
Like, the conversation between Sonja and Bethenny tonight where Bethenny managed to make many references to her own life was the verbal version of Bethenny making sure to get her Skinny Girl branded items within range of the cameras.
 

Did Carol say that if she had known she'd have such a "great" body at 50 she would have been a stripper? Does she really think she has such a great body at 50? Maybe it's just me but to me she's just skinny. I know shallow but y'all have said everything else so well. I'll have to wait for a second viewing to come up with something less shallow.

I'm going to bet that for the circles they run in, Carole's considered to have a great body. For me, a contemporary of Carole's who I think has a bangin' body is Angela Bassett, ya know?

Edited May 13, 2015 by Mozelle

[SFoster21]

Preach it Ryebread! Detroit is better than AC. Come and enjoy our downtown and a casino or two. Please!!!

OK, I am in 100% GD pain because I am in a casino hotel in CT (work, not fun) and this hotel sees no necessity to offer Bravo among their 200 channel offerings. Therefore, I have to piece together the episode from all of you smart/funny people. Am I to understand that Ramona said something about not being able to deal with Sonja when she is drunk? Since when? Isn't she usually her side kick in these situations? Or has she realized from the many comments over the last couple of seasons that hanging with the sinking ship that is Sonja isn't so much fun when the feedback starts coming?

There's a Bravo app that allows you to watch in real time on your phone.

[bagger]

So, I had a different takeaway of that final scene between Bethenny and Sonja. I kept getting the feeling that Bethenny wanted more to talk about the heartache and hardship she's endured since the demise of her marriage, and she had the perfect opening given that Sonja was going through what Sonja always goes through. Bethenny kept saying that she wanted to talk about Sonja, but there were too many times when Sonja drove the topic back to herself and you could see Bethenny's exasperation over Sonja (rightfully?) thinking that she (Sonja) was supposed to be the topic of conversation.

 

This talk differed from that in the first episode when Ramona and Sonja were supposed to be talking about how Ramona was doing now that she was separated from Mario while Sonja kept taking over the conversation and making it all about her. 

 

Like, the conversation between Sonja and Bethenny tonight where Bethenny managed to make many references to her own life was the verbal version of Bethenny making sure to get her Skinny Girl branded items within range of the cameras.

 

I'm going to bet that for the circles they run in, Carole's considered to have a great body. For me, a contemporary of Carole's who I think has a bangin' body is Angela Bassett, ya know?

Oh yeah! Angela Bassett is absolute perfection. Even in this crowd I'd say that Countess has a better body. I need to get off this subject because I'm becoming maniacal about it. I've had my husband now look at her 20 times in different scenes to validate my feelings :)

[hoodooznoodooz]

Ramona bitches at the driver, questioning how thorough he was loading their luggage, then when he's dealing with the luggage, she's shrieking about the wine opener. I just can't feel sorry for her, divorce and all.

Edited May 13, 2015 by hoodooznoodooz

[racked]

Hear, hear! I totally agree, plus a bunch of the casinos have gone out of business.  The first thing I thought when I saw the ladies was that they're overdressed.  AC is the city of t-shirts and knee length jean shorts and velcro sandals.

The Borgata is lovely though and not cheap at all. One of the best steakhouses I've been to, better than most in NYC. I wouldn't have minded seeing thus group hanging out at the Tropicana with the lifers though.

[LotusFlower]

OK, I am in 100% GD pain because I am in a casino hotel in CT (work, not fun) and this hotel sees no necessity to offer Bravo among their 200 channel offerings. Therefore, I have to piece together the episode from all of you smart/funny people. Am I to understand that Ramona said something about not being able to deal with Sonja when she is drunk? Since when? Isn't she usually her side kick in these situations? Or has she realized from the many comments over the last couple of seasons that hanging with the sinking ship that is Sonja isn't so much fun when the feedback starts coming?

She was really, really, really, really drunk. Zig-zagging through the corridors trying to find her room, blabbing about partying with Madonna and John-John, etc... And on top of that, I think it was even worse than what we saw because of how they were all talking about it the next morning at breakfast.

The saddest for me was when Dorinda finally got her back in the suite, Sonja went straight for the bar and started opening yet another bottle of liquor. She had been drinking all day and was completely toasted, yet she doesn't want to stop.

[SFoster21]

Ramona bitches at the driver, questioning how thorough he was loading their luggage, then when when he's dealing with the luggage, she's shrieking about the wine opener. I just can't feel sorry for her, divorce and all.

It was especially comical that she couldn't remember the word "corkscrew." And she sells wine!

[ryebread]

Am I to understand that Ramona said something about not being able to deal with Sonja when she is drunk? Since when? Isn't she usually her side kick in these situations? Or has she realized from the many comments over the last couple of seasons that hanging with the sinking ship that is Sonja isn't so much fun when the feedback starts coming? 

 

She did say that but Sonja was just too far gone at that point and Ramona wanted to stay up longer with the other women.  By then, Sonja was a total buzz kill so Dorinda took one for the team and took her back to her room for the night.  Had Ramona been as drunk as Sonja like she usually is, she probably would have hung in there with her bestie.  I didn't get the feeling Ramona was deciding anything or ditching Sonja for the long term - just for the night.  I don't blame her.  It seemed like the whole night was dealing with Sonja.  I'd've wanted to get away and hang out with the others, too.  I hope once they ditched her they didn't spend the rest of the night talking about her.

[LotusFlower]

I really loved Bethenny tonight.  Her talk with Sonja was so real and so necessary.  Maybe Sonja will get the full gist of what B was saying later on.

I don't think so. Did you catch Sonja say in a TH that while she appreciated Bethenny's intent, she felt B was projecting her own experiences onto her, and their situations are entirely different, as she (Sonja) has a close family, and the "proof is in the pudding." In other words, more denial and delusions from Sonja, with a dig thrown in for good measure.

[SFoster21]

I don't think so. Did you catch Sonja say in a TH that while she appreciated Bethenny's intent, she felt B was projecting her own experiences onto her, and their situations are entirely different, as she (Sonja) has a close family, and the "proof is in the pudding." In other words, more denial and delusions from Sonja, with a dig thrown in for good measure.

Not to mention that the quote is "the proof of the pudding is in eating" as in "don't judge a book by it's cover." The "proof is in the pudding" is a nonsensical thing to say.

[izabella]

I think Bethenny led into that conversation by talking about her own experiences to try to relate to Sonja, to show her that she understands the level of stress Sonja's under.  And that's why she wanted to get serious and tell her she needed to focus on herself (get some help with her issues). 

 

Sonja kept wanting to interrupt to tell Bethenny about her life, but B was saying, "yes, I got it, and I understand, and because I've been through it myself, please hear me when I tell you to get help."  With all the interruptions and backtracking, it was hard to follow B's point, but harder when Sonja's not even trying to understand.

[motorcitymom65]

There's a Bravo app that allows you to watch in real time on your phone.

Thanks SFoster. For some reason it wouldn't work on this show or WWHL tonight.

Did anyone catch WWHL tonight? I would love to hear what Lu had to say.

[SFoster21]

Yeah, she said she went too far in the tweets. And that it was over. And that she and Carole have a blow up later on the show.

[njmama]

Was I the only one who didn't get the "smokey eye, updo and shot"? WWHL mentioned it too but I didn't recall Sonja ever saying it. I promote people, yes, got that. I enjoy Sonja's delusions, it's when she doesn't listen and talks over people that drives me nuts. Let her talk about her non existent yachts and hanging with the Churchills. I beg someone to yell at her like Garth from Wayne's World "LIVE IN THE NOW!!". God, Bethenny is newly divorced compared to her. Ramona is just starting the process yet Sonja is still talking about it? I don't think she misses old man Morgan nearly as much as she misses the lifestyle. That's the 'death' she's mourning.

Ramona was hugely disrespectful to that poor limo driver. I don't give a shit who you are.

Edited May 13, 2015 by njmama