S04.E21: Headache

[formerlyfreedom]

While investigating a grisly murder, Nick and Hank  get closer to uncovering the identity of the serial killer while Wu's life is put in grave danger. Having turned down Monroe and Rosalee's offer, Juliette solidifies a new alliance as she works to get her revenge. Elsewhere, Trubel makes a surprising return to Portland.

[LittleIggy]

I want that effing bitch to die a horrific death.

Thanks for the shirtless Renard...

[Actionmage]

Wow.

 

Upside: only one more episode I ever have to watch again.

Downside: Pretty much everything else.

 

Too angry just now. Just... no.

[officetemp]

Well, that's it!  I was hoping that the Juliette thing was going to resolve some other way, but now I just want Juliette to die a slow, tortuous, horrible death.  I want her to be aware of everything that's happening to her as she's dying and I want that fricking Kenneth to die just before she does.  And I want both Nick and Diana to be the ones to take her out with an assist from TRubel.

 

Oh, and not only that, Juliette gets half the neighborhood killed in their own houses!!  Strictly for her own stupid revenge!!

Edited May 9, 2015 by officetemp

[Morrigan2575]

Die.Juliette.Die

Hi, Trubel! Always liked her.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Morrigan2575

[jmonique]

Thank God for this board, since I can't really tweet this:

Bitsie doesn't have the chops to put any shades of gray into going evil.

 

One episode of an unwittingly evil Renard was 10x more compelling than 10 episodes or WHATEVER it's been of batshit crazy Juliette, who's all jaw and hair flips to show how bitchy she is now.

[mustbekarma]

Oh no, they didn't. They brought Kelly back only to kill her. As much as I love Juliette, it's time for her die. If Juliette can't be saved, it's time to kill her off after this betrayal. I know she's possessed by the Hexenbeiste and not acting entirely of her own volition, but I can't see Nick or any of the gang forgiving her for this. I keep thinking she only agreed to get Diana so she could kill her in front of Adalind. I don't want to see Juliette as a villain. If I can't have her good, then I don't want her evil. And alive.

 

Oh well, at least they saved Sean Renard. And didn't kill Wu.

 

Adalind just better turn back to evil, because her acting all weak and helpless is getting on my last nerve. Yes, Nick. Kill her. I can't believe that everyone is taking Adalind's word that she's pregnant with Nick's baby. I'd be demanding a DNA test.

 

Would it be wrong for me to hope that Diana learns Grandpa had her Mommy Kelly killed and Diana decides to explode Grandpa's head along with the rest of the Royals? What's the point in having a specially powered baby if she doesn't have awesome powers?

Edited May 9, 2015 by mustbekarma

[Morrigan2575]

Thank God for this board, since I can't really tweet this:

Bitsie doesn't have the chops to put any shades of gray into going evil.

One episode of an unwittingly evil Renard was 10x more compelling than 10 episodes or WHATEVER it's been of batshit crazy Juliette, who's all jaw and hair flips to show how bitchy she is now.

She really doesn't. I have to give major props tonthe director. Evil Juliette was great in the Kelly murder scene because of the lighting/imagery.

[spaulding]

As much as I love Juliette, it's time for her die. If Juliette can't be saved, it's time to kill her off after this betrayal. I know she's possessed by the Hexenbeiste and not acting entirely of her own volition, but I can't see Nick or any of the gang forgiving her for this.

 

I still haven't watched the last two episodes, and I caught the last 20 minutes of this episode, but I don't think that Juliette is possessed by the Hexenbiest.  Unlike Renard. 

 

Monroe said that "this isn't Juliette" during a recent episode.  It's the writers who want Juliette to be some badass victim.  It's a way to justify her actions without condemning her for what she's done. 

 

I always hated this character, and she is absolutely irredeemable.  After the Grimmibago.  And definitely after setting up NIck's mom.  She is the worst. 

 

It was absolutely horrifying that the camera panned slowly to Juliette's boots and face while Mama Grimm was fighting for her life.  Ugh.  I'm not sure if it was for more screen time for Special Snowflake Juliette/Tulloch.  It was all!Juliette. 

 

She needs to die.  Bring the Reapers.  Bring the Wesen Counsel.  Bring that hot dude who helped Mama Grimm and Adalind escape from Europe.  Make sure her death is permanent. 

 

I don't know if I want to watch the entire episode.  I can't believe that a fictional character is making my blood boil.

 

Love Teresa.  I want a Grimm spin off.

Edited May 9, 2015 by spaulding

[jmonique]

She really doesn't. I have to give major props tonthe director. Evil Juliette was great in the Kelly murder scene because of the lighting/imagery.

I thought so, too, but then they showed Bitsie's face, and her eyes, and I couldn't tell what she was trying to convey.

 

Was she regretting what she had done?

Was she drunk with power at the idea of being in control of the Royal baby? (I like this show, but still don't get WTF the big deal is with the Royals, BTW.)

Was she passing gas?

I really just can't tell with Bitsie.

[chrisvee]

I still think Juliette may be setting Nick up to kill her before she becomes too powerful. I saw some flickers of conscience.

However I just want to see her head in a box at this point.

Darn a lot happened in this episode after weeks of nothing.

I love Adalind's explanation of what was wrong with Renard. It was a portal and a hitchhiker just like I thought!

[Free]

Wow.

 

Upside: only one more episode I ever have to watch again.

Downside: Pretty much everything else.

 

Too angry just now. Just... no.

 

The title was accurate, "Headache".

 

Yes another female character with potential goes down pathetically.  Shameful.

[beadgirl]

I'm hoping that Diana at the very least takes out Henrik, in spectacularly grisly fashion.

 

I actually thought Bitsie was good in this episode; there were moments where Juliette looked liked she realized she had gone way too far and was doing something unforgivable.  Which makes me wonder if they are actually planning to redeem her, which worries me because I don't see how Nick (or a decent Juliette) can ever get over this.  Ugh, why did they do this to her character?

 

So Adalind really did lose all her powers? Again? After all the nonsense she went through to get them back?  She really is The Worst Witch, and while she was helpful in her info about what happened to Sean, that's not enough to make up for her crimes.

 

Teresa!  A bright spot in the episode!

Edited May 9, 2015 by beadgirl

[Eliza422]

Well they have definitely hit the point of no return with Juliette...as much as we all hated her burning the trailer, she has now been instrumental in killing nick's mother. There is no way in the world she could come out of this - there is no redeeming her now.

Oh happy day!

I was so happy to get Trubel back. I do admit I was biased against her when they had first introduced her, but I quickly grew to love her character!

The whole Renard thing was anti-climactic, really....but I'm super glad that lame story is done....AND he again had to look at his chest.....arghhhhhh.....

Edited May 9, 2015 by Eliza422

[AntiBeeSpray]

I want that effing bitch to die a horrific death.

Thanks for the shirtless Renard...

 

Word. Damn that guy's abs. /shallow comment :P

[Morrigan2575]

I thought so, too, but then they showed Bitsie's face, and her eyes, and I couldn't tell what she was trying to convey.

Was she regretting what she had done?

Was she drunk with power at the idea of being in control of the Royal baby? (I like this show, but still don't get WTF the big deal is with the Royals, BTW.)

Was she passing gas?

I really just can't tell with Bitsie.

I got nothing. Best I could figure was empty. However, I think Bitsie has one look/emotion in her acting so I doubt it was intentional.

I haven't been watching since Juliette killed the guy from The Mummy so I'm a bit confused on something. Does Juliette care aboutDiana? Did she really care or want the child or was she pretending to keep the girl from freaking out?

[Shanna Marie]

there were moments where Juliette looked liked she realized she had gone way too far and was doing something unforgivable.

That's what I was thinking, too, and I kept expecting her to suddenly Biest out and take out the assassins. But alas. Still, there seemed to be some flickers of conscience or regret.

 

I'm just glad Wu is alive. When Jack the Renard took him, I was afraid he was going to die.

 

And Rosalie again proves to be the real badass of this show. Last week, it was her managing to dissect Adalind's mom's corpose while everyone else was too grossed-out. This week, she takes action on Jack the Renard when everyone else is frozen. You can just see the thought balloon each time: "Damn, do I have to do everything around here?" Or was that all part of the plan to trick Jack into thinking he was dead, since they were using rubber bullets anyway?

[thuganomics85]

Wow, this episode is actually titled "Headache"?  That is so, so fitting.

 

At least Hank saved Monore, but that is it for me, when it comes to Juliette.  She fully attended to shoot him.  I can't see her coming back from that.  No way I can excuse it away with the whole Hexenbiest thing.  It just doesn't make any sense.  She was fully attending to wound and maybe kill someone, who was nothing but supportive of her.  Bullshit!  That is evil.  And, I'm glad the gang seems done with her.  I usually don't like the word, but it was so satisfying when Rosalee snarled "That bitch!", because that was Juliette was in that scene.

 

And, now she totally just set up Kelly's death.  But wait!  She was showing regret!  I think so at least: it's hard to tell when it involves Bitise's style of underacting.  But I'm guessing all those flashbacks and numerous close-ups of her face, was suppose to be conveying that.  Which, whatever, Grimm.  I ain't biting.  If you attempt a redemption arc here, you are worst then I thought.

 

Oh, and I'm guessing she slept with Kenneth.  If does live, she is totally getting pregnant, right?  Fuck this...

 

At least they got Jack the Ripper out of Renard. Got worried for Wu there for a second, but it all worked out.  I liked seeing the gang working together to solve a case, and not deal with the Royal crap.  Moving on.

 

It was hilarious how they kept shooting around the fact they totally didn't get Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio to come back.  I wonder if they even bothered trying.  Of course, if I was her and read the script, I would have been like "You want me to come back, just to get murdered by Juliette and a bunch of Royal tools?  Thanks, but no thanks."

 

Things are really going crazy, when Adalind ends up being one of the smartest people in the episode.  She actually really helped!

 

Thank goodness Trubel is here.  It's time to start decapitating these fools.

 

Finale next week.  Show no mercy, Nick!  But I'm already preparing for them to somehow "redeem" Juliette instead.  This show likes to act like they're risky and game-changing like that, but in reality, they are just the same like other network shows.

Edited May 9, 2015 by thuganomics85

[mustbekarma]

The whole Renard thing was anti-climactic, really....but I'm super glad that lame story is done....AND he again had to look at his chest.....arghhhhhh.....

 You say that like it's a bad thing. Renard's chest, that is. I don't mind that man shirtless.

[AuxArx]

When Rosalee leaned in to look at Sean's chest (while the wounds were closing, I think?), I just thought, "Yeah, I'd be taking a good long look, too...to make sure he was okay, you know."

[Free]

Well they have definitely hit the point of no return with Juliette...as much as we all hated her burning the trailer, she has now been instrumental in killing nick's mother. There is no way in the world she could come out of this - there is no redeeming her now.

 

There better not be, the finale is a make or break for me and she's gotten worse in each episode.

 

 

Wow, this episode is actually titled "Headache"?  That is so, so fitting.

 

At least Hank saved Monore, but that is it for me, when it comes to Juliette.  She fully attended to shoot him.  I can't see her coming back from that.  No way I can excuse it away with the whole Hexenbiest thing.  It just doesn't make any sense.  She was fully attending to wound and maybe kill someone, who was nothing but supportive of her.  Bullshit!  That is evil.  And, I'm glad the gang seems done with her.  I usually don't like the word, but it was so satisfying when Rosalee snarled "That bitch!", because that was Juliette was in that scene.

 

And, now she totally just set up Kelly's death.  But wait!  She was showing regret!  I think so at least: it's hard to tell when it involves Bitise's style of underacting.  But I'm guessing all those flashbacks and numerous close-ups of her face, was suppose to be conveying that.  Which, whatever, Grimm.  I ain't biting.  If you attempt a redemption arc here, you are worst then I thought.

Oh, and I'm guessing she slept with Kenneth.  If does live, she is totally getting pregnant, right?  Fuck this...

 

Finale next week.  Show no mercy, Nick!  But I'm already preparing for them to somehow "redeem" Juliette instead.  This show likes to act like they're risky and game-changing like that, but in reality, they are just the same like other network shows.

 

I hope not for another pregnancy subplot, that's beyond exhausted.  Thankfully the characters had enough of her bs though.

[Eliza422]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Renard's chest, that is. I don't mind that man shirtless.

I'm not begrudging us the man-candy...it's the repetition of the action that kills me.... It's not like he's going to find flowers growing out of his nipples this time!

There better not be, the finale is a make or break for me and she's gotten worse in each episode.

 

 

 

I hope not for another pregnancy subplot, that's beyond exhausted.  Thankfully the characters had enough of her bs though.

Omg...someone needs to airdrop some god damn contraceptives over this town....

[Actionmage]

If this is some weird-ass nightmare that Sean is having in post-op, then I can deal. That is the only really acceptable excuse for this season and what happened in this episode.

 

*Why didn't Diana do something to the hundjagers who were attacking Kelly?

*Why did the neighbors have to die? Is Ken really that limited in his thinking? Why not have a gas leak in the neighborhood?

*I know it was supposed to be "because they were working the case/ trying to find an answer to Jack" but since they can't really help Rosalee better than Monroe and Nick and Hank are better equipped to handle a possessed Renard, why exactly did they send Wu? (I love Wu to pieces and am glad he had a bigger than usual role to play, but there has to be a better way to utilize him.)

*We knew Trubel was called and that she was coming; why not let us see the lovely Ms. Toboni a bit more?

*Why are supposed to believe that you respect strong women in all types when you keep killing them off, Show?! (MEM is signed to a show CBS picked up, I know; Kelly didn't have to die. It's called recasting.)

 

And Kelly's death was indeed an insult, just like Ken wanted.  She had no chance to go out heroically. She was ambushed and Diana, of the Amazing Powers Since Before Birth, let a pack of hundjagers take her mom while she is left sitting on the floor with her bunny like it's no big thing.  She trusted Juliette when she maybe shouldn't have any memory of this woman. If Kelly is "Mom", why isn't she more upset or scared or secretly giving everyone "Oh, you're gonna pay!" looks?

 

Great idea to kick off Mother's Day weekend this way, Show.  Now I can add "Also, Mom? I'm thankful you haven't been beheaded as a combo trap/take that. Love you! XOXOXOXO!!!" to my card.

 

Jack the Renard

 

Hee!

Edited May 9, 2015 by Actionmage

[anarchyangel84]

That was heartbreaking.

••It's now official. I HATE Juliette!!!

I hope she dies next episode. I'm really, really hoping it's slow and very painful. I've never been one for a lot of gore- but I wouldn't mind seeing her black heart being ripped out. I'd like for Nick killed her but I'd love to see Rosalee do it.

•• Now I see why Adalind was so mean. Now I think I understand the Hexenbiest...

It's like drinking a LOT of alcohol but instead of getting tipsy, you get more and more drunk with power. Your emotions are heightened x10 like when you're drunk. Oh and you ALWAYS have your period.

•• What I don't understand- I'm sure Kelly taught Diana how to use her powers for good and not hurt people. But when Diana saw that they were hurting Kelly, her "mommy", I thought she would've protected her.

•• Glad Renard's ok. But I'm sad we probably won't be seeing him ripping open his shirt anymore.

•• So... Anyone else waiting for Nick to say, "What's in the box?" In all seriousness, it was disturbing how much that head really looked like Kelly. After some of the bad make-up we've seen on this show, I didn't expect that. Anyone else shed a few tears? It was sad!

[Prevailing Wind]

"Jack the Renard."  Thanks, Shanna Marie.  I love that.  Which is more than I can say for the episode.  I was wondering if the Señor Wences box with Kelly's head (which, BTW, didn't really look like her...if I were MEM, I'd sue...) was one of the boxes Nick sent the reapers' heads in.  Reuse/Recycle...

 

I kept hoping those boots walking around while Kelly was being killed was really Trubel here to save Mom.  Damn, they belonged to the worst actress in the world.  I swear, CHARO could play the part better.  (And that shows you how freakin' old *I* am...)

[Zahdii]

Thanks to all you East Coasters for watching this for me.  I've never minded spoilers, but with this show and a couple others I've fallen into the habit of finding out through here if a show's something I want to put myself through.  For several weeks now I've skipped watching Grimm intending to catch it up online, and didn't do so.  For the last couple of weeks I just checked in and decided not to even bother to pretend I'd look for it online.

 

Tonight I've decided that I don't care anymore.  I can't guarantee that I'll never watch again, but I probably won't.

[spaulding]

I haven't been watching since Juliette killed the guy from The Mummy so I'm a bit confused on something. Does Juliette care aboutDiana? Did she really care or want the child or was she pretending to keep the girl from freaking out?

 

I can't tell because Tulloch can't act.  She has one look--dead eyes.  She didn't even have chemistry with Diana.

 

And, now she totally just set up Kelly's death.  But wait!  She was showing regret!  I think so at least: it's hard to tell when it involves Bitise's style of underacting.  But I'm guessing all those flashbacks and numerous close-ups of her face, was suppose to be conveying that.  Which, whatever, Grimm.  I ain't biting.  If you attempt a redemption arc here, you are worst then I thought.

 

If the writers want a redemptive arc for Juliette, I'm out.  They would be fools to consider it.  I don't like the character.at.all.  I don't want more screen time for Miss Dead Eyes.  I don't want a love-hate relationship filled with drama between Juliette and Nick. 

 

She knew what she was doing when she set up Kelly.  She confirmed to Kelly that the door was unlocked.  Diana was with Kelly and would be in the center of violence.  The camera panned slowly to Juliette's face and boots like it was some porno.  All to showcase Juliette. 

 

I can't imagine how horrible Mama Grimm's last moments were.  It could have lasted five minutes, but it would have felt like forever.  It could have been a excruciating murder. 

 

If Juliette is trying to emote regret after calculating Mama Grimm's death, she's stupid and still the worst.  So many thing had to come into play for Mama Grimm to be murdered.  The writers can't weasel out some Juliette victimhood or regret for her role in murdering Kelly, who is liked in the fandom. 

 

I didn't even buy the S3 blu ray.  The same thing happened with How I Met Your Mother.  The backlash to what happened for the series finale hurt the showrunners's bottom line.

 

And Kelly's death was indeed an insult, just like Ken wanted.  She had no chance to go out heroically. She was ambushed and Diana, of the Amazing Powers Since Before Birth, let a pack of hundjagers take her mom while she is left sitting on the floor with her bunny like it's no big thing.  She trusted Juliette when she maybe shouldn't have any memory of this woman. If Kelly is "Mom", why isn't she more upset or scared or secretly giving everyone "Oh, you're gonna pay!" looks?

 

Yes! to all of this.

Edited May 9, 2015 by spaulding

[bentley]

In my opinion the flickers of conscience they showed tonight only makes what she did worse. She had several chances tonight to call it off, and the director took pains to show us that she was in her right mind during those times, reminiscing about Nick, remembering happy moments in that house. The devil wasn't driving her, and it wasn't done in a cold rage. She flashed back to meeting Nick's mother, and then calmly picked up the phone and invited Kelly in to her death. And there were 2-3 moments like that when she had time to think it over, remember who she used to be and how much she loved these people, and in the end it didn't matter. I'd say there's no way anyone can be redeemed under these circumstances,  unless it's the kind of redemption that comes by sacrificing herself in one final good act on this earth. Saving the child, for example. But they've really built this up to where it seems like only a really violent death will satisfy the audience. The betrayal of destroying the trailer pales in comparison to everything she did tonight. There should be no coming back from it, and I'll be unhappy if they try.

The only thing that makes me less than 100% certain that there can be no redemption is that BT is the star's girlfriend and I'm not sure anyone has the stones to actually write her off the show. Whatever they try to do with her, from now on, she's dead to me.

Trubel was looking very chic and mature. She seems to be in a good place now.

[DeeDee79]

Well, that was an interesting episode. I'm glad that Renard is finally cured & that we got an explanation for what was happening to him. I guess his mother wasn't to blame for his condition after all. I can't wait to see how they explain the closing of the case; if it warranted a press conference with the mayor they can't bullshit their way out of it as they usually do with Wesen crimes. I still hate Juliette; no way to come back from setting Nick's only living relative up for slaughter.

[Shanna Marie]

Anyone else shed a few tears? It was sad!

I thought David G. did a good job of showing the shock and then the grief creeping up on him, and that was the part that made me a little teary-eyed. I felt like I was intruding on his private moment.

 

Am I a bad person if I cheered and gave a little fist pump when Trubel beheaded the Hundjaeger?

 

I actually used to like Juliette because she was the most sane cop significant other I think I've seen on TV -- no freaking out if he had to deal with a case even though they made plans, realizing that his job required long and sometimes odd hours, and then she was even pretty cool about learning about the Grimm stuff. And now I don't know what the hell they're doing with her. There's a tendency that makes me uncomfortable to demonize the main character's girlfriend on TV shows. Even if the show isn't doing it, the fans tend to do so. If she doesn't take an active role and have a lot of skills, then she's useless and he should dump her or she should be killed. If she has any useful skills and gets involved at all, then she's a horrible Mary Sue and she should die. And then way too often the writers pick up on this or end up not knowing what to do with this character, and so she gets turned into the villain. But usually when the fans hate the girlfriend character, it's because they ship the main character with another character on the show, and I didn't get the feeling that there was a huge outcry shipping Nick with Adalind or anyone else. Juliette wasn't necessarily a popular character, but now they've destroyed her, and I'm afraid they've taken her too far to bring her back unless it's a situation of her having had a total blackout where there was no Juliette involved, just the Hexenbiest, and she has no memory of any of this. I suppose that's a possibility, given that's what was happening with Renard in the parallel story line. But even so, I can't imagine Nick being able to get over it.

[officetemp]

. . .

Oh, and I'm guessing she slept with Kenneth.  If does live, she is totally getting pregnant, right?  Fuck this...

. . .

 

 

. . .

Omg...someone needs to airdrop some god damn contraceptives over this town....

Seriously.  It's almost as if the writers are like, "There's not enough stuff happening!  We need to make things more interesting!  Let's make [insert character name here] pregnant!'

[Prevailing Wind]

 

Nick's only living relative

...that we know of.  I wouldn't put past these bozos to spring a surprise relative on him.

[AntiBeeSpray]

That was heartbreaking.

••It's now official. I HATE Juliette!!!

I hope she dies next episode. I'm really, really hoping it's slow and very painful. I've never been one for a lot of gore- but I wouldn't mind seeing her black heart being ripped out. I'd like for Nick killed her but I'd love to see Rosalee do it.

•• Now I see why Adalind was so mean. Now I think I understand the Hexenbiest...

It's like drinking a LOT of alcohol but instead of getting tipsy, you get more and more drunk with power. Your emotions are heightened x10 like when you're drunk. Oh and you ALWAYS have your period.

•• What I don't understand- I'm sure Kelly taught Diana how to use her powers for good and not hurt people. But when Diana saw that they were hurting Kelly, her "mommy", I thought she would've protected her.

•• Glad Renard's ok. But I'm sad we probably won't be seeing him ripping open his shirt anymore.

•• So... Anyone else waiting for Nick to say, "What's in the box?" In all seriousness, it was disturbing how much that head really looked like Kelly. After some of the bad make-up we've seen on this show, I didn't expect that. Anyone else shed a few tears? It was sad!

 

^ You hit the nail on the head.

 

I HATE Juliette as well. There's not enough redemption for her, let alone Adliene (sp?). I hope both of them get killed off tbh.

 

Glad Reynard is back to normal.

[DeeDee79]

Am I a bad person if I cheered and gave a little fist pump when Trubel beheaded the Hundjaeger?

 

Nope; that was an awesome entrance!

[Actionmage]

no way to come back from setting Nick's only living relative up for slaughter.

 

Nick has an uncle. He's been mentioned briefly, but he's alive and, iirc, has kids.  

 

Well, I think I just figured out part of next season. Aunt Marie just became Uncle Nick. ( I hope not, as I haven't read any spoilers, but, as we say on the Once Upon a Time boards: This Show, These Writers.)

[AntiBeeSpray]

In my opinion the flickers of conscience they showed tonight only makes what she did worse. She had several chances tonight to call it off, and the director took pains to show us that she was in her right mind during those times, reminiscing about Nick, remembering happy moments in that house. The devil wasn't driving her, and it wasn't done in a cold rage. She flashed back to meeting Nick's mother, and then calmly picked up the phone and invited Kelly in to her death. And there were 2-3 moments like that when she had time to think it over, remember who she used to be and how much she loved these people, and in the end it didn't matter. I'd say there's no way anyone can be redeemed under these circumstances,  unless it's the kind of redemption that comes by sacrificing herself in one final good act on this earth. Saving the child, for example. But they've really built this up to where it seems like only a really violent death will satisfy the audience. The betrayal of destroying the trailer pales in comparison to everything she did tonight. There should be no coming back from it, and I'll be unhappy if they try.

The only thing that makes me less than 100% certain that there can be no redemption is that BT is the star's girlfriend and I'm not sure anyone has the stones to actually write her off the show. Whatever they try to do with her, from now on, she's dead to me.

Trubel was looking very chic and mature. She seems to be in a good place now.

 

Fair point. She could have not went through with it. But she did. 

[Shanna]

Ok episode until the end.

What the actual fuck? I want Juliette dead. Was that the point of this story?

[DeeDee79]

Nick has an uncle. He's been mentioned briefly, but he's alive and, iirc, has kids.

 

Is this something we learned when he reunited with his mother? I thought his Aunt Marie was the only relative he had left before his mother found him.

[callmebetty]

I hate that they had to "Seven" Kelly just to further the Juliette is evil and must die storyline.

That stand in was so ridiculous that I almost believed Kelly had used a double when she went to the house.

Glad to see Trubel and ecstatic to see Renards abs.

[Actionmage]

Is this something we learned when he reunited with his mother?

 

Yes; iirc, it was S2, and either in the first or second episode.  ::off to check S2 dvds::

[DeeDee79]

Yes; iirc, it was S2, and either in the first or second episode.  ::off to check S2 dvds::

 

Oh, that's why I don't remember this. The 2nd season is the only one I haven't rewatched due to the amnesia arc.

[shapeshifter]

...I actually thought Bitsie was good in this episode; there were moments where Juliette looked liked she realized she had gone way too far and was doing something unforgivable.  Which makes me wonder if they are actually planning to redeem her, which worries me because I don't see how Nick (or a decent Juliette) can ever get over this...

I too thought Bitsie did some great facial emoting this episode. Redemption by martyrdom seems like the most likely outcome--except that I don't see them writing out the lead's girlfriend, as was mentioned upthread. Maybe another season-long coma?

Well, that was an interesting episode. I'm glad that Renard is finally cured & that we got an explanation for what was happening to him...

It was probably the tightest story arc yet for this show. I guess that's what happens when the writers are inspired by Sasha Roiz's torso.

...Am I a bad person if I cheered and gave a little fist pump when Trubel beheaded the Hundjaeger?...

I'll see you one beheaded Hundjaeger fist pump and raise you one smug smile for Juliette boning Kenneth in the same bed where Nick and Adalind made a baby. *shapeshifter dodges rotten fruit*

[TV Anonymous]

I would like to make a dissenting voice. With all the bad things that Juliette does, what does Nick - the Grimm - do to mitigate it? Since the beginning he shows nothing but disgust to Juliette condition, a condition that happened because of him. Then he keeps on telling Juliette that he, they will find a way to "cure". Never has he - the one with knowledge in the Wesen world - tried to sit down with her, to discuss their options, to discuss what she wants to do or to be.

 

So yeah, not that I say that what Juliette does is good or right nor that it was okay for Nick to have her mother killed in such a horrible way, but he kind of has it coming...

 

On a different note, how is the timeline in Grimm universe compared to real life? We saw Kelly took Diana as an infant just over a year ago and know she walks and talks already?

[friendperidot]

We have had storms all night, tornado watch in central Oklahoma, so I saw the first 15 minutes. The local is supposed to announce when they will show it again. Should I watch? I was in the minority that liked Juliette, but I haven't liked hexenbiest Juliette. I don't hate her but I haven't seen this episode yet. 

[Snarkette]

So far she hasn't gone along with murder has she? (Forgive me but I tend to blank out most of what's happened over the last few weeks.) So head-in-box could be a fakeout or the trigger to (ew) re-juliette her.

 

Wow that whole jacktheripper plot was pointless. Was it only there to keep Reynard out of the way of the other plots?

[Amelie06]

Wow. Juliette went all in. As far as I'm concerned, there is no going back. She banged another dude in Nick's bed! Then she murdered his mother and left her head in a box for him to find. This bitch!

 

If this show tries to redeem her, they will probably lose my business. Even if Juliette gets de-Hexenbeisted and doesn't remember a thing, they all will. You can't un-know that someone brutally murdered your mother. How would that conversation even go? "Hey Nick, is your Mom coming for Christmas?Nick? Why do you look so sad? Whoa, now you look angry? At me? Why? I was just wondering why you refuse to open boxes and haven't mentioned your Mom in forever!"

[shapeshifter]

We have had storms all night, tornado watch in central Oklahoma, so I saw the first 15 minutes. The local is supposed to announce when they will show it again. Should I watch? I was in the minority that liked Juliette, but I haven't liked hexenbiest Juliette. I don't hate her but I haven't seen this episode yet.

I think you'll want to watch this one. Feel free to be mad at me later if you wish you hadn't. :)

[TV Anonymous]

Wow. Juliette went all in. As far as I'm concerned, there is no going back. She banged another dude in Nick's bed! Then she murdered his mother and left her head in a box for him to find. This bitch!

 

If this show tries to redeem her, they will probably lose my business. Even if Juliette gets de-Hexenbeisted and doesn't remember a thing, they all will. You can't un-know that someone brutally murdered your mother. How would that conversation even go? "Hey Nick, is your Mom coming for Christmas?Nick? Why do you look so sad? Whoa, now you look angry? At me? Why? I was just wondering why you refuse to open boxes and haven't mentioned your Mom in forever!"

 

Juliette murdered Kelly? When? I though she stayed upstairs when Kenneth's men did the business.

 

As well, why is it bad should Juliette be redeemed while on the other hand Adalind has been redeemed, relapsed and redeemed again and it will be just fine? Remember, all of this happen because of Adalind.

[possibilities]

She tried to murder Monroe, she set up Kelly's murder, she set up the murder of all the neighbors-- all in this one episode. So, yes, I think she's gone along with murder.

 

I was so upset by what happened, I was fantasizing some stupid TV retcon like those I usually think are lazy and show-ruining and gutless. Like: that's not really Kelly's head, they kidnapped her and left the fake head to upset Nick, but really she isn't dead.

[FiveByFive]

I sometimes feel like I'm a defender of all female characters and actresses on every TV series but you know what ...

 

When it comes to Juliette ... KILL HER NOW. 

 

Bitsie may not be the greatest actress but they completely assassinated the character. There is no outcome here that will satisfy me other than her character's death.  Also how stupid are they to write out Mary Elizabeth and Garcelle Beauvais for cheap, five second payoffs? Think of the stories you just threw out the window when you got rid of these two women who are actually fine, proven, battle hardened actresses!

 

The thing I don't think even the writers have considered is that even ADALIND in her HEYDAY would have NEVER pulled that stunt.

 

Adalind would bake cookies that made people crazy. She didn't kill them.

Adalind cursed a cat's claw to make Juliette forget things and eventually it put her in a coma. She didn't kill her.

Adalind lost her baby when a bunch of people stole her for the baby's protection. She didn't kill them but she did get revenge when ...

Adalind turned herself into Juliette and stole Nick's powers. She STILL didn't kill him.

 

Juliette is a hexenbiest for five cosmic seconds and she goes off and kills Nick's MOTHER. 

 

The balls?!?!?!?!!?!?

 

If the writers can write themselves out of what Juliette did, I will personally travel to the deepest, darkest, gold mines in the furthest corners of the Earth and harness the purest gold from the hardest rock. I will then build my own forge with my bare hands and then personally create an award made from this gold with white diamonds for eyes that spray White Diamonds perfume and that turns into Angelina Jolie circa 2004 in a see through, permanently wet tank top when you rub it and hand it to them.

 

Destroy. Her. Now.