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  1. Yeah, lock up Rumple, impersonate Weaver, go to Rogers and say he's pursuing a new way of getting to Belle and he wants to say goodbye. If Rogers suggests going with him to help, tell him he needs to stay with Alice and keep looking for a cure. Then haul Rumple to the Wish Realm, throw him in the cell, and carry on. The more elaborate the evil scheme and the more people you target, the more likely it is to fail. Gothel would have destroyed all humanity if she'd just taken the people she needed for that spell through with a magic bean, without all the drama and without hauling the people most likely to oppose her through with the curse. WRumple would still be alive if he'd just focused on Rumple. I'm still hung up on the idea that the Wish version died if the Prime one did. They really did go back and forth over whether the Wish Realm was real. It wasn't real when Regina killed the Wish Charmings. It was real when WHook fathered a child in another realm long before the wish was made. It was real enough for WRobin to leave and live happily ever after with the Evil Queen in the Enchanted Forest (in spite of his Prime counterpart being dead). It's not real enough for the Wish version to survive if the Prime version dies. But WHook is a totally real person (in spite of his Prime counterpart having died -- or did that only kick in after the wish was made?).
  2. Was Rumple the only one linked to his Prime counterpart like that? Or would any Wish character die if his Prime counterpart died? Is that what happened to Wish Neal? Did he keel over when Neal Prime died? And what about Hook? He died and was dead for at least a month. Did WHook die during that time and then pop back into existence when Hook Prime was resurrected? Wouldn't that have been something he remarked upon that would have had a life-changing impact? Or did fate know Hook was going to come back to life, so WHook never died? I have so many questions. I think they got confused with the Jekyll/Hyde split, where the split version died if the prime version died, but the copy couldn't be killed as long as the original was alive. Since the jail cell still existed, all Wrumple had to do was kidnap Rumple Prime and throw him in the cell. Would the others have rallied to save Rumple (yeah, these idiots probably would)? But he could have faked something to make it look like Rumple achieved his goal and had joined Belle, and no one would have known to look for him.
  3. Miss Lambe is a person of color in the part Jane Austen wrote. She's described as being "half mulatto." So that's not color-blind casting. That's accurate casting based on what Jane Austen herself wrote. I don't think the book fragment specifies her exact parentage or history the way the show did, but she's not white.
  4. I feel like there was a missing scene here. WHook credited Alice, but I don't recall seeing her actually doing anything. I also don't recall her learning that her father was inside the snow globe. What seems to have happened is that Zelena took Alice and Robyn to the Charmings, they geared up to help and went through the portal, using Zelena's hidden bean, they learned that everyone was in the snow globe, Alice wished the hook to get them out, and then they all converged on the palace. That's a lot of It Happened Offscreen, but I guess they had to make a choice, and it was more important to get Regina's tearful soliloquy over the body of someone she had always hated and blamed for ruining her life (second only to Snow). That's what I was thinking, that the Charmings would have made a lot more sense. There was no reason for WHenry to believe Regina. That was one of those mutually exclusive things -- they tried to play off Regina's murder of the Wish Charmings as a joke, it was an oops, where she didn't mean to kill them but slipped, and isn't it funny and ironic that when she was desperately trying to kill them, she failed, but when she's good and doesn't want to kill them, she does it accidentally? It's not really murder because they're just from the Wishverse and aren't real, and it doesn't seem to have bothered or affected her that she did it. But then she ends up having to deal with WHenry, who had to watch his grandparents be murdered and who has been affected by it. So we're supposed to take the effect on him seriously but not take her action that caused that effect seriously, all at the same time in the same scene. Really, from a story/character perspective, it should have been Emma talking him down and apologizing for abandoning him when she was so eager to get out of the Wish Realm, but I understand that there were off-camera issues there. I was trying to figure out what WRumple's scheme really was, and it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's mostly just handwaving to have an old-school Rumple be the ultimate and final villain. It seems that he wanted some kind of revenge on the non-wish versions of the characters, plus Wish Blue? So he was putting them in their individual pocket universes to torture them and get them out of his way. But other than Wish Blue, they were all already out of his way. If he'd left well enough alone and maybe found some other way to get Wish Blue out of his hair, he'd still have been happily ruling the Wish Realm. WHenry was off in another realm trying to get a girlfriend and everyone else was in Hyperion Heights or Storybrooke. Instead, he came up with an overly complicated plan that brought everyone to a place where they could defeat him. And then the pocket universes seem to be what inspired bringing all the realms together, but that doesn't seem like it was actually a real solution to that, since someone could still make a pocket universe that isn't connected to any of the other worlds. And we still don't know if they just went back to their land in the time they were in, where they'd be co-existing with their past selves, or if they went back to their time. If they stayed in the same time, then between that opportunity for them to intervene in their own past to prevent Drizella/Ivy from screwing up this time and the craziness of all the future people hanging out with their past selves in Storybrooke, then the timeline is just going to completely collapse. Henry won't go roving because he doesn't have to and Drizella will avoid Gothel (maybe even team up with Anastasia to defeat her), so there's no curse and no one is sent back in time, and that will then undo everything. That may be my headcanon: A little while after that last scene, it all collapses and the future people disappear, along with the memories everyone else has of them and all their effects (like the merged world). Storybrooke goes back to normal, with Henry going to college instead. And then maybe it's Robyn who goes journeying when she's older, and she meets Alice and helps reunite her with her father (just because those were the only relationships that kind of worked). Instead of the Regina tongue bath, I'd have liked to see the interaction between the future and past selves, Wish and Prime versions. WHook got a second chance from Hook Prime, so how would he react to seeing him again (when Hook Prime hadn't yet met him -- and this is going to impact the timeline when Hook Prime does meet past WHook about ten years later)? How would Alice feel about meeting another version of her father? Would she think of Hope as her baby sister? Where were Storybrooke Henry and Regina? Did they skip town to get away from their future selves? Did we see both Zelenas at the coronation, or was that Storybrooke Zelena while Future Zelena was off with her new husband?
  5. The best part of this episode was the final journey through Storybrooke, which made me so nostalgic for the early days of the show that I almost wanted to immediately rewatch the pilot. Though, since the camera went straight from the palace to the town, I wondered about the Bug still sitting on Main Street. Did Emma and Hook get a new car? How did they get to the palace, otherwise? Regina and Zelena drove the Mercedes, which suggests that they were driving there. Otherwise, the main thing that struck me was how tacked-on all the Regina scenes felt, like they had a draft of the script, or possibly even a first cut of the episode, and they realized it was really weird for Regina not to be playing a big role before she's suddenly crowned Queen of the Universe and hastily added a bunch of scenes. It makes no sense for her to be the one to bond with Wish Henry. It would have been bad enough with her just being the alter ego of the Evil Queen who tormented his grandparents, but he watched this exact same person murder his grandparents not too long ago (in his time), after she was already supposedly good and a hero. Then there was her unnecessary and very "what the hell?" tearful scene over Rumple's body. They were never friends. She hated him. He was the one who led her into darkness and conned her into casting a curse that required her to murder her father and that didn't give her any of the happiness that was promised. They weren't even friends in Hyperion Heights. One of their last interactions was her being furious at him for stealing the potion that could have saved Henry. But the episode needed more Regina, so we needed to see her big, dramatic, tearful soliloquy. And if WHenry is now a cop in Storybrooke, I guess that means he's no longer king of the Wish Enchanted Forest, maybe because Regina's the only ruler of all these places and there are no more local rulers. Which means Regina has taken thrones from two of her kids (stepdaughter Snow's throne, Wish Henry's throne). Funny, when Emma travels in time, she gets non-stop lectures about how she can't do anything to change the past and gets criticized about every move she makes that might alter history, then gets blasted by Regina for not thinking about consequences when she alters the past by bringing someone Regina was going to execute to the future. When Regina travels in time, she rearranges the cosmos and gets elected queen of the universe, with no mention of going back to her own time. There's no point in griping about the timeline at this point. It's more mangled than Jeremy Bearimy.
  6. Just typing that out almost broke my brain because I kept trying to find some thread in there that would tie it all together, but there was no way to lay it out so that there was any kind of motivation-to-action flow. I've accused them of making it up as they went, and I do think there was a lot of that going on, but it does seem like maybe they were trying to repeat season one with Gothel being the real force behind the curse, the way we learned Rumple was behind the season one curse. But they didn't set it up very well. Rumple's actions made sense even if you looked back at the season with the knowledge that he was behind it all. He had everything set up and planned, and he put himself in a favorable position. The only reason he had to wait for 28 years was that he had to wait for the Savior to break the curse. There was no reason for Gothel to have waited years, no reason for her to have to be a prisoner. I'm not clear on how the magic was working or not, but it seemed like she was sitting back and waiting for something to happen, and it happened at random, for no reason. I guess the prisoner thing was also a ripoff of season one Rumple, but he got himself imprisoned in the Enchanted Forest in a way that got him close to the Charmings. In the curse, though, he was powerful, wealthy, and in control. And I keep coming back to the fact that the Dark Curse wasn't necessary for Gothel. A magic bean would have accomplished what she wanted. She and her coven could have jumped through the portal and done their trick. If it was something to do with magic working, they needed to make that a lot more clear, like the way we saw magic arrive in Storybrooke.
  7. It's in the Specials, TV Movies, and Other One-Offs forum (it seems to be a holdover from when it aired on STARZ): https://forums.primetimer.com/forum/937-specials-tv-movies-other-one-offs/
  8. But Austen didn't write the ending, so who knows? As far as I can tell (I've only read up to chapter 7 but have skimmed ahead), the character never actually appears "onstage" in the book. He's merely mentioned in a way that suggests he might later play a bigger role. The character is purely a Davies creation based on Austen mentioning his existence and something about his circumstances and status. He strikes me as Darcy meets Mr. Knightley, with maybe a dash of Willoughby (since he seems to be a partier, possibly a bit of a rake, in a way that the other two weren't). Really, all that happens in the part Austen wrote was setting the story in motion by getting Charlotte to Sanditon and mentioning the coming of Miss Lambe the heiress, and introducing most of the characters. The TV version passed what Austen wrote in the first half hour or so. I suspect the young architect/engineer guy (Stringer? or something like that) might also end up being a possible romantic interest. He really reacted to Charlotte saying something that suggested she was somewhat knowledgeable, and the camera zoomed in on his reaction (so it wasn't just a background actor playing it up), then later Charlotte encountered him while walking, and then the actor was featured in interviews in the little "Inside Sanditon" features my PBS station showed to fill out the hour. That all suggests to me that he'll play a bigger role down the line.
  9. Comparing the season one curse and the season seven curse is pretty telling. Just going by what we knew during season one (ignoring later retcons) ... Season one: Rumple wants the Dark Curse cast because he wants to reach his son in the Land Without Magic without having to give up his own magic. He grooms and cons Regina into casting it as a way of getting revenge on Snow, but first he sets it up to meet his own needs, embedding a backdoor that creates a Savior who can break it and stashing a supply of True Love potion so he can bring magic to that world. Regina thinks she's choosing to cast the curse as a way of getting to a place where villains can have happy endings and she can make Snow miserable. She's so desperate after trying everything to get revenge and failing that she's willing to sacrifice her father to cast the curse. In the curse, Rumple is one of the wealthiest people in town and has a great deal of power over the people. He's also managed to get a lot of his own magical objects and precious items belonging to other people brought over in the curse to his pawn shop. He's not aware of things for most of the curse (possibly so he won't have to suffer through it all), but has it set up so that when he hears Emma's name, he'll wake up, and he's planted a spell that gives him some control over Regina. Regina is the mayor of the town and lives in a mansion. The people she wants revenge on have been given fake personalities that are opposite of their true selves, and some of them are separated from their loved ones or have different relationships with them. When the curse starts weakening and the Charmings find each other, Regina gives David a "wife" to keep him away from Snow. When Emma breaks the curse, it's a dramatic change as everyone comes back to their true self, and then moments later, Rumple brings back magic. Season Seven: Gothel wants the Dark Curse cast so she can get back to the Land Without Magic in order to wipe it out all over again. Drizella learns about the curse from Regina and decides that's what she needs to get revenge on her mother (something she hasn't yet done much about, and she decides this in the middle of a war against her mother when there's a whole rebel movement who'd be keen to help). Gothel cons Drizella into joining her coven and casting the curse, but they don't need a sacrifice because they can just use Regina's blood and make her cast the curse. The curse makes Gothel a prisoner of Victoria's, and Drizella is Victoria's much put-upon assistant. They make Victoria think it's her curse and that she's in charge. Gothel spends three years as a prisoner until she's freed by WHook/Rogers, who thinks she's a missing girl he's been looking for. Everyone else who's been brought along by the curse seems to more or less be themselves, just not remembering being from a fairy tale world. Some of the families/partners have been split up, but they all find each other, and nothing stops them from being together. Somehow, all the precious objects and magical items (including some that were in Storybrooke) end up in Rumple's evidence locker. After Gothel loses some of her coven and her chance at the Guardian, she decides to recruit her own daughter to cast her spell. Buy the time Henry and Regina break the curse, most people have already got their own memories back and already have the same relationships that they used to have. The season seven plot makes no sense, to begin with. The motivations don't work. There's a lot of "but why?" going on. And the emotional stakes just aren't there. Breaking the curse changes almost nothing.
  10. Technically, everything they've had should have led to a wealth of scenarios to explore. They must have become bored with Hyperion Heights because this episode really perked up when mostly going back to the original cast and going to a new location. Then again, I believe it was a David Goodman script, and although he's had a few clunkers, he's usually pretty reliable. I'm sure the big picture was dictated by A&E to some extent, as I doubt one of the writers would have been allowed to just make up their own story for the penultimate episode of the series.
  11. I think that's the thing that kept it from being a real reboot that would have had the momentum for multiple seasons. Repeating the same old thing with new people wasn't very interesting. It was still too convoluted and with too much history for new viewers to get invested -- you'd have to understand who Henry was, his family situation, the Wishverse, etc. -- and the new viewers weren't going to get any impact from all the echoes from past seasons. Existing viewers were only getting tantalizingly limited glimpses of the characters they actually cared about, while all the retreads and callbacks only invited us to say "I liked this better when it happened in season one." I think he was still under contract, since he joined the show a year later, so he had a year left on his contract that the season one regulars didn't, and that meant they didn't have to renegotiate or give him a raise. I wonder if they'd have bothered with any of this setup if Jennifer Morrison had signed. They could have kept the original situation and just continued the series. Belle and the Charmings were mostly offscreen, anyway, so they could have talked about them as though they were around but not seen without much changing the stories. There would have been a lot less risk in continuing the series as it was than there was with rebooting it. Without the supposed main character, they had to move things to a new location if they wanted to keep her "happy ending." Most of the cast purge was because of expenses. The characters who'd been around since season one were about to become more expensive, so starting over with fresh cast members would cut costs. Emilie should have been in the same boat as Colin, though perhaps the fact that she appeared in season one, even if just as a guest star, had some impact on her contract. Regina and Rumple weren't in all the season seven episodes, so it's possible that what they negotiated for them was less work for the same money. I think Rogers/WHook was in all the episodes and at about the same level of involvement as Hook Prime had (some episodes spent reacting in the background, taking the lead in a few). I do think something good have been made with what they had to work with (and perhaps some better casting choices) for this season. You can see it in this episode. It just would have required much better writing and maybe some willingness to branch out rather than repeating the same things and expecting that to be deeply meaningful.
  12. It would have been totally different, which is the idea. I don't know why they felt the need to do that huge time jump that was only a time jump for some characters, and then there was time travel so that it was a time jump but not really because it was set in the same time. If I'm being uncharitable about their creativity, I'd say that they only had one trick in their writing book, and they weren't creative enough to find a way to play on their set-up and themes without doing a carbon copy of season one. They could only do the kid shows up and says "You're my parent" story that maps to season one. Aside from that reason, I wonder why they felt the need to age Henry beyond Jared. I know that one of the reasons they dropped most of the cast was that they would have had to negotiate new contracts, and there are certain raises built into the union rules before you even start negotiating, but there are a lot of variables in play. Would the new adult actor have been that much less expensive than re-signing Jared? Or were there other expenses related to having a minor? I know there has to be on-set tutoring and they can only work so many hours. But then they had Lucy, so they still had the minor issues. In my fantasy season 7, we still get the "you're my parent" scene, except it's cursed teen WHenry, who's found the storybooks, approaching cursed WRegina, thinking he's Storybrooke Henry and she's Storybrooke Regina. There was also nothing keeping them from being with their real loved ones, the way there was in curse one. Jacinda and Henry had no other entanglements under the curse that kept them from being together. Sabine had the same personality as Tiana, so she and Jacinda were still friends. It wasn't like Red and Snow being so drastically changed that they had nothing in common until Emma showed up and the curse weakened enough for them to start becoming more like their real selves. And, as we saw in this episode, apparently they were all able to keep their stuff from their home world. A lot of things, like Hook's hook, ended up in Rumple's evidence locker (even though he had nothing to do with the curse), but then somehow Remy was able to hang onto a magic bean? The other issue is that the nature of the curse and the reasoning behind it was so unclear. Curse one was actually a curse. It was a punishment designed to make people suffer, so it ripped them from their lives and put them in an entirely different place, in situations designed to make them miserable, with personalities that were different from their real selves, separated from their loved ones. We later learned that the memory part of it was separate (I wonder if that was a retcon when they re-cast the curse in season 3), but in season one, it kind of worked that "breaking" the curse was restoring them to their true selves. Emma had already broken the frozen time by coming to town, and there was some gradual weakening, but the final straw was them getting their memories and personalities back, so they could be reunited with their loved ones and start having some control over their lives. The season seven curse doesn't work quite so well. Even when we learned the reason behind it, it made no sense. Gothel didn't seem to have any particular reason why she needed to drag all those people with her. She was punishing the entire planet, not really those specific people. She could have accomplished her goal more easily with a magic bean, Pan's shadow, Wish Jefferson's hat, or one of the Sorcerer's doors. The only reason for the memory changes was possibly to keep them from opposing her (but, again, why bring the people who might oppose you with you?). Everyone was pretty much their usual selves, just without the knowledge of being from another world. Nothing kept friends or families apart. They weren't miserable. That meant that breaking the curse wasn't very dramatic. Most of our characters already had their memories. It amounted to "Okay, I'm actually married to this person I'm in love with." It seems that in this curse, breaking it gave the magical characters their powers back, but, again, why put that in the curse, other than to keep these people she didn't have to bring with her from opposing her? But I think most of this problem was due to the storyline being heavily altered along the way. Gothel showed up fairly early in the season, but I suspect her role shifted once they decided the stepmother/stepsister story wasn't working so well. Unfortunately, they didn't seem to have put a lot of thought into the random explanation they came up with for the events they'd already written. We don't know if they went back to their time or just went to the place, but at the same time, so they were living in the past while they were also there as kids (or however the timeline worked -- Anastasia died before the first curse would have been cast, so Drizella should have been at least 50). The whole timeline is going to collapse when redeemed Drizella intervenes in her past self's life to keep her from going down the wrong path.
  13. I have found that I react to the major reboots of Doctor Who as though it's an entirely new show. If I like the cast and the things they're doing, I'll get involved, but if I don't get invested, I drift away. I loved the David Tennant Doctor, but got tired of the retroactive St. Rose stuff and was losing interest, then loved the Matt Smith Doctor with Amy and Rory, was less interested when the sidekicks left and didn't like the new one much, was even less interested with the new Doctor after that. I haven't yet seen the current one, since I don't have cable anymore. My library has the DVDs and I'll probably watch someday, but I'm not particularly motivated. I think the pre-established world makes me more likely to give each iteration a shot, but it's not a guaranteed thing that I'll stick with it or that I'll get emotionally involved in it enough to care. I still watched Doctor Who while I had cable, but it was almost a chore just so I could talk to my friends who were into it and because through my friends I was involved with the running of a Doctor Who convention (interestingly, the con went from huge during the 50th anniversary year to dwindling to the point we ended it a few years later, so I don't seem to be the only one who lost interest).
  14. Teen Wish Henry. In my scenario, it picks up right after the wishverse episodes and follows the Wishverse adventures. Adult Henry remains in the distant future that we will never be forced to see, unless 15 or so years from now they decide to do Once Upon a Time: The Next Generation with an all-new cast (maybe with some cameos from the naturally aged original cast, possibly with one of the original cast in some kind of mentor role). Going in chronological order, WRumple starts conning WHenry and WHook and WRegina team up (de-aging along the way) to find Alice. Stuff happens that brings them all together, and a curse is cast that sends them to maybe a neighborhood in New York (one that's on the tip of either Manhattan or Long Island, so it's actually isolated and doesn't interact with the rest of the city, which doesn't know it exists. They can't leave the neighborhood but their cursed memories make them not aware of it, so they just think it's a dead-end kind of place that nobody escapes). WHenry, a nerd who hangs out in the library, finds the storybooks, then passes cursed WRegina on the street, sees cursed WHook, starts to wonder if there might be another curse, eventually brings them all together. Alice and whatever other characters are also there. Based on the books, they decide that they must be these people, so they have to find a way to break the curse and get back to Storybrooke to their family, but who cursed them? Stuff happens, the memory part of the curse breaks, and they realize the books weren't about them. They're the wish versions of the characters and they have totally different stories. There's some conflict because some of them were enemies, but they've become friends during the curse. They decide to team up to take on the villain (Gothel? Wrumple?) and get back home. Maybe in the finale (since I doubt the series would have survived, anyway), they end up in Storybrooke, where we get to see the original cast again. I think the flashback story would have had to be told in mostly reverse chronological order, like in season one, starting with the curse and working backward until we see that these are actually the Wish people. We would learn that a bit before they do, so there's some dread of knowing it might not go well when they realize what's going on. Speaking of WHenry: What was he doing in the Disenchanted Forest? Isn't he king of the Wishverse Enchanted Forest? Why is he galavanting about from realm to realm? I guess he really takes after Henry Prime in being more concerned with looking like a hero and having adventures than in actually doing something useful. And he takes after his alter ego's adoptive mother, who's prone to ditching her responsibilities on a whim. I think some of it was that they had an actual goal. For most of the season, aside from Rogers looking for Eloise, there was no real goal. The heroes were all passive, mostly just reacting to things, and not even really doing much about them, not in a way that was really about the story. The most active thing they did all season was start the food truck, and everything that was about striving toward something in the past happened offscreen. They just talked about what they wanted but didn't do anything. In this episode, they were actually doing something. They were going somewhere, had some kind of plan, and were taking steps toward that plan. They were striving, and the solution didn't just fall into their laps. Plus, it was fun to see the familiar cameo characters.
  15. They could have called this episode "what might have been." Jacinda and Lucy in a snowglobe improved them considerably. It was the best they've been all season. While Tiana's speech was lame, in the scene between her and Naveen I found myself wishing that they'd been more front and center all season, with an actual story. They had a lot more chemistry than Henry and Jacinda. WRumple makes a far better villain than anyone else we've seen this season, and focusing on our original cast in the jaunt to the Wish Realm added a spark that's been missing most of the season. If they'd focused all season on Rumple, WHook, and (I can't believe I'm saying this) Regina instead of Adult Henry, Jacinda, and Lucy, the season would have been a lot better, and I bet it wouldn't have bled viewers so badly. Why keep the original cast members, only to sideline them? If we've been following this show for six seasons, we're not going to be eager to jump over to an entirely different cast all of a sudden. It's weird that they just learned that they've traveled back in time, and yet nobody says anything about trying to get back to their own time. Odd little thing I noticed: Rogers' prosthetic was something he could just unscrew to remove, but it's apparently capable of fine motion good enough to hold an iPhone (something I have trouble with even with real hands). With as much motion as he had in that hand, there should have been all kinds of circuits and electronics. It shouldn't have unscrewed at the wrist. It would have gone farther up his arm because there would have been electrodes in it that attach to the arm so that moving his muscles could make the hand work (I once got to try a demo version of one they had so that people with intact limbs could see what it was like to work a prosthetic hand). And in spite of having that functional hand, he goes back to the hook? Also, he suddenly has a totally new jacket that I suspect was remade from the longer jacket Hook Prime briefly had in season 6. I suppose they needed a coat modified to disguise the arm length difference because of the hook, and they might as well reuse one rather than making something new for the last two episodes. I think they added some zippers to it. That's more or less my current mental scenario for my alternate season 7. The pre-curse backstory is all in the Wish Realm, with WRumple conning WHenry into working with him to go after WRegina (not telling him that it's actually not the same person who killed his grandparents). Maybe there's a Gothel-like person, or else Gothel but with a different backstory, goal, etc., but in that realm in a distant land, so we still have the Alice story within the Wishverse. When Emma sends WHook back to the Jolly Roger, he ends up back on the ship that WRegina has been running all this time. They end up sailing through some magical vortex that de-ages them. Somewhere along the way, the curse gets cast. In the present, cursed WHenry finds the storybooks about seasons one through six and thinks they're about him and the people he sees in his neighborhood. They all start working together as friends, and only after the curse is broken (not in the finale, but sooner) does he realize that Regina was never his mother, WHook was never his stepfather, etc. Sorry, no Jacinda or Lucy. I'm afraid there's no room for Robyn, either, since she'd be the wrong age at this point in the timeline (taking place soon after the Wishverse episodes in season six), even if she still exists in the Wishverse. Maybe that actress plays some other character who's more like Margot, less like Robyn, and she has a relationship with Alice. Something that occurred to me when I was thinking about how different WRumple and our Rumple were, possibly due to Belle's influence (let's just go with it and pretend Rumple Prime is actually a "good man" now): Why didn't the Charmings in either reality find Belle? She was a prisoner in Regina's castle, and they captured Regina. Did Snow not want to go back to her old castle at all, not even to look for some of her stuff? Did they not think to search all of Regina's strongholds? How did they not find Belle before the curse/before she wasted away when the curse wasn't cast?
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