S07.E04: The Art Of Being A Cougar

[JakeyJokes]

 

I read Lu’s blog and while I can understand her POV, enough already with the indignation. I don’t think Carole deliberately went trolling for dates in Lu’s kitchen or set out to hurt anyone. And wasn’t the Johnny Depp pirate the former boyfriend of LuAnn’s supposedly good friend in St. Bart’s? That sure didn’t stop her from aggressively pursuing him. I get that it's her niece and she's protective, but the relationship had ended a year before and everyone's an adult. It's too bad that a friendship had to end because of it.

 

I like both LuAnn and Carole, so this storyline is actually bumming out. Playing armchair psychologist, I wonder if part of Luann's feeling slighted has to do with how dismissive Carole was to her when she asked for the Naeem Khan dress two seasons ago. LuAnn may be thinking, "It's a big deal if I borrow a dress from your friend, but you can date my chef/niece's ex-boyfriend?!" 

[breezy424]

So, according to Luann's blog, Adam is her niece's recent ex boyfriend.  According to Carole's blog, Adam and Luann's niece had broken up over a year before she met him.

 

The only thing that I can come up with as to why Luann is so mad about Carole dating her niece's ex is that her niece was hoping to get back together with him.  And during the time that they were officially broken up, they were 'friendly'.  In any case, I don't agree with Luann about Carole dating her someone on her staff or her niece's ex.  That's up to Carole and Adam.  And why isn't she putting any blame on Adam.  He's as much a part of it as Carole.

[jennylauren123]

I am shocked that Avery seems to have turned out okay, with Ramona as her mom.

 

When I think of Avery, I remember her Sweet Sixteen party, when she was very demanding and opinionated regarding her party. She shot down a few themes that the party planners suggested, and she was pretty pissed about Ramona wanting to be any part of it. I think Ramona even boasted that Avery was like her. 

 

She could be a great kid, but that episode did her no favors.

[FozzyBear]

When I think of Avery, I remember her Sweet Sixteen party, when she was very demanding and opinionated regarding her party. She shot down a few themes that the party planners suggested, and she was pretty pissed about Ramona wanting to be any part of it. I think Ramona even boasted that Avery was like her.

She could be a great kid, but that episode did her no favors.

Yeah, I was never that impressed by Avery. She actually seems just like Ramona to me: hard working, focused, opinionated, self involved, rude. Ramona was probably easier to take too when she was a pretty 20 year old.

[archer1267]

The only thing that I can come up with as to why Luann is so mad about Carole dating her niece's ex is that her niece was hoping to get back together with him.

 

Good theory. If Nicole had moved on and was dating someone else, would LuAnn still have had her nose out of joint? I tend to doubt it. In that case, Adam wasn't "allowed" to move on first.

[Ellee]

Good theory. If Nicole had moved on and was dating someone else, would LuAnn still have had her nose out of joint? I tend to doubt it. In that case, Adam wasn't "allowed" to move on first.

Ok . . . so my theory is . . . LuAnn wanted him for herself . . . it was just the whole 'my son and Adam are friends' thing she hadn't figured out yet.

 

:D

 

ETA:  Wait a minute ...how old is her son?  How old is Adam?  Did I make it up that the two were friends?  SMH. 

Edited May 4, 2015 by Ellee

[MatildaMoody]

Ok . . . so my theory is . . . LuAnn wanted him for herself . . . it was just the whole 'my son and Adam are friends' thing she hadn't figured out yet.

 

:D

 

ETA:  Wait a minute ...how old is her son?  How old is Adam?  Did I make it up that the two were friends?  SMH. 

You did not make that up. On Lu's list of grievances for why Carole is in the wrong by dating Adam, it is the friendship between the almost 30 year old chef and her 18 year old son.

 

I do think that this is much ado about nothing. Luann is acting as though Adam has no say in who he can and can't date and as his employer she does not get a say in that. 

Edited May 4, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[Mozelle]

But is LuAnn really Adam's employer? I mean, which is to say, is he under her permanent employ? I'm getting the impression that he has various clients who call on him to prepare meals for this event or that; he's not really LuAnn's personal chef any more than the Lyft driver who drove me to Union Station on Friday or the one who picked me up from Union Station yesterday is my personal chauffer. 

[MatildaMoody]

But is LuAnn really Adam's employer? I mean, which is to say, is he under her permanent employ? I'm getting the impression that he has various clients who call on him to prepare meals for this event or that; he's not really LuAnn's personal chef any more than the Lyft driver who drove me to Union Station on Friday or the one who picked me up from Union Station yesterday is my personal chauffer. 

I totally agree. I'm addressing it from Luann's perspective. She keeps referring to him as part of her staff or her employee. Which, IMO, further hurts her stance. Because he does not appear to work solely for Luann which makes her stance even more ridiculous. I think the simple fact that Sonja agrees with Luann is what has me firmly in the "this is some ridiculous bullshit" corner.

[sasha206]

And hopefully the type of people who follow Taylor Swift know that John F Kennedy was President of the United States, Robert Kennedy was assassinated while running for President, and Ted Kennedy was a long-term influential Senator.  So the Kennedy name should always mean something.  Just not so much in pop culture, but more so in historical terms. 

 

I completely agree. Didn't mean to minimize that piece!

[racked]

So, according to Luann's blog, Adam is her niece's recent ex boyfriend.  According to Carole's blog, Adam and Luann's niece had broken up over a year before she met him.

 

The only thing that I can come up with as to why Luann is so mad about Carole dating her niece's ex is that her niece was hoping to get back together with him.  And during the time that they were officially broken up, they were 'friendly'.  In any case, I don't agree with Luann about Carole dating her someone on her staff or her niece's ex.  That's up to Carole and Adam.  And why isn't she putting any blame on Adam.  He's as much a part of it as Carole.

 

At first I thought Lu meant he was her niece's recent ex at the time of filming, which would have been a while back. But Carole seems to dispute that. If Lu's niece is 19 now, just how old was she when the cook was dating her? 

 

Lu is totally fake sometimes but I'd be creeped out by a friend dating the ex of a family member. It can make for awkward situations. Plus it's Carole, who is just the worst. But if the niece had any residual feelings for the cook, negative or otherwise, I doubt Lu would have hired him. So this is probably drama for drama's sake. More interesting than the drama over the bday party invite though!

[Mozelle]

At first I thought Lu meant he was her niece's recent ex at the time of filming, which would have been a while back. But Carole seems to dispute that. If Lu's niece is 19 now, just how old was she when the cook was dating her?

Lu is totally fake sometimes but I'd be creeped out by a friend dating the ex of a family member. It can make for awkward situations. Plus it's Carole, who is just the worst. But if the niece had any residual feelings for the cook, negative or otherwise, I doubt Lu would have hired him. So this is probably drama for drama's sake. More interesting than the drama over the bday party invite though!

Her niece is in her late 20s as well.

As for LuAnn supposedly being creeped out, I've come to the conclusion that it's all for show. Both Carole's and LuAnn's Instagram show them out together well after Carole and Adam started dating (a January pic from Carole's IG and an April 1 pic from LuAnn).

I think that LuAnn is pulling a Lisa Vanderpump-- gauge viewer reaction in blogs (back when there were comments) and on social media for those who follow and tweet to her, and pander to that.

[Celia Rubenstein]

Drugs are expensive and people don't give them away! Especially not secretly to complete strangers. Accidental gummi-bear my ass.

 

 

I wondered about that, too.  I know I always have to pay cash on the barrel head for my e-laden gummi bears when I am out at the club with the kids (yeah, right).  I dunno, maybe someone recognized Carol ... people will on occasion give drugs to celebrities just to get to be around them (I guess Carole counts as some kind of celeb).  Or maybe somebody just thought it would be funny to get the old lady in the club high off her ass without her knowing what was up (although I must say I find it hard to believe Carole just took a sticky little piece of colorful gelatin candy from a total stranger in a nightclub on Halloween night in NYC and had absolutely no clue it might not be just a regular gummi bear). 

 

Yeah, I am guessing she either bought it or someone gave it to her because Carole from Real Housewives was in the club - maybe a friend of her chefboy? - but no way do I believe it was an accident.

[MatildaMoody]

Her niece is in her late 20s as well.

As for LuAnn supposedly being creeped out, I've come to the conclusion that it's all for show. Both Carole's and LuAnn's Instagram show them out together well after Carole and Adam started dating (a January pic from Carole's IG and an April 1 pic from LuAnn).

I think that LuAnn is pulling a Lisa Vanderpump-- gauge viewer reaction in blogs (back when there were comments) and on social media for those who follow and tweet to her, and pander to that.

 

Yeah, this is the niece that went out on the town with Luann and Kelly. Remember that scene where Luann asks Kelly what it would take to get Kelly to let her hair down? Kelly literally takes the clip out of her hair and let's it down. I laughed and laughed at that one. Housewives used to be so fun. I think that is why I can't let go. I keep looking for those moments, like Easter eggs full of good snarky fun. 

 

I don't know what Luann's play is here. Maybe she thinks feuding with Carole will give her enough of a story line to keep her apple, or maybe she really is jealous that Carole and Adam are hitting it off? I just don't see Luann wanting Adam for herself. Even though she was refreshingly less pretentious last season, I still think there is a part of her that views people that work for her as "the help." So while it would be fine for her to go slumming with a pirate while on vacation, I doubt she would shit where she eats. 

 

Looking at her tweets now that filming has ended, there is definitely something going on with her anger at all of this and it may just be a throwback to her anger at Carole for Carole's earlier slights her first season. Maybe she still feels like Carole is trying to one up her in some way. I just don't think Carole is trying to one up her with this. I think Carole is going for her "free spirit single and free" vibe and felt a connection - however superficial with Adam. 

 

As for why she didn't tell Luann right away. I think that it falls under two categories. 1. They have only been out a few times and for all of the friendliness that Luann and Carole shared last season, Carole just doesn't feel comfortable talking about it when she has no idea what if anything will come of it. 2. It really isn't any of Luann's business who Adam dates or what his relationship status is.

[KFC]

I don't know what Luann's play is here. Maybe she thinks feuding with Carole will give her enough of a story line to keep her apple, or maybe she really is jealous that Carole and Adam are hitting it off? I just don't see Luann wanting Adam for herself. Even though she was refreshingly less pretentious last season, I still think there is a part of her that views people that work for her as "the help." So while it would be fine for her to go slumming with a pirate while on vacation, I doubt she would shit where she eats. 

 

Looking at her tweets now that filming has ended, there is definitely something going on with her anger at all of this and it may just be a throwback to her anger at Carole for Carole's earlier slights her first season. Maybe she still feels like Carole is trying to one up her in some way. I just don't think Carole is trying to one up her with this. I think Carole is going for her "free spirit single and free" vibe and felt a connection - however superficial with Adam. 

 

Yeah, I'm trying to make sense of where Lu is coming from here. Is it out of loyalty to her niece, Nicole? Is she playing up her anger to create a feud for storyline purposes? Or is there something else behind it?

 

I can see how she might not be thrilled Carole is dating her niece's ex, but I'm not quite understanding her vocalness against it on social media. Heather and Carole's friendship has always seemed legit, and even their friendship with Luann last season seemed pretty authentic (as opposed to strictly for the show). So I'm confused at the quickness of the turnabout. Unless of course Lu decided it would be smarter to ally herself with Bethenny this season and thought Heather and Carole would make easier sparring partners. Although based on the tidbits we've been getting about this season, Carole's pretty chummy with Bethenny herself...

[AnnA]

Yeah, I'm trying to make sense of where Lu is coming from here. Is it out of loyalty to her niece, Nicole? Is she playing up her anger to create a feud for storyline purposes? Or is there something else behind it?

 

I can see how she might not be thrilled Carole is dating her niece's ex, but I'm not quite understanding her vocalness against it on social media........ 

 

It has to be more than loyalty to her niece.  Didn't they stop dating over a year before?

 

I don't know much about Heather and Carole since I haven't watched NY for a few years.  Your idea of Lu aligning herself with Bethenny is a good one.

[sasha206]

Yeah, I'm trying to make sense of where Lu is coming from here. Is it out of loyalty to her niece, Nicole? Is she playing up her anger to create a feud for storyline purposes? Or is there something else behind it?

 

I can see how she might not be thrilled Carole is dating her niece's ex, but I'm not quite understanding her vocalness against it on social media. 

 

Storyline?

[Grneyedldy]

At first I thought Lu meant he was her niece's recent ex at the time of filming, which would have been a while back. But Carole seems to dispute that. If Lu's niece is 19 now, just how old was she when the cook was dating her? 

 

Lu is totally fake sometimes but I'd be creeped out by a friend dating the ex of a family member. It can make for awkward situations. Plus it's Carole, who is just the worst. But if the niece had any residual feelings for the cook, negative or otherwise, I doubt Lu would have hired him. So this is probably drama for drama's sake. More interesting than the drama over the bday party invite though!

Chef not cook. :-)

[motorcitymom65]

Yeah, I'm trying to make sense of where Lu is coming from here. Is it out of loyalty to her niece, Nicole? Is she playing up her anger to create a feud for storyline purposes? Or is there something else behind it?

 

I can see how she might not be thrilled Carole is dating her niece's ex, but I'm not quite understanding her vocalness against it on social media. Heather and Carole's friendship has always seemed legit, and even their friendship with Luann last season seemed pretty authentic (as opposed to strictly for the show). So I'm confused at the quickness of the turnabout. Unless of course Lu decided it would be smarter to ally herself with Bethenny this season and thought Heather and Carole would make easier sparring partners. Although based on the tidbits we've been getting about this season, Carole's pretty chummy with Bethenny herself...

I do think that Heather and Carole's friendship with Lu was legit and more than just what we saw on TV. The reason that Heather was so disappointed in Lu and her Pirate was that she said at the time that she and her husband had become quite close to Lu and Jacques. She said that they had spent a lot of time together off camera just hanging out as couples. She talked in her blog about also being close to Lu's kids. At the beginning of this season Carole made a point of saying she and Lu had become close and that she spent weekends at Lu's Hampton house with her on several occasions. That makes it so strange for Lu to be coming after them on Twitter in such a manner.

The notion that Lu made a strategic decision to align herself with Beth is also an interesting one. We know that Beth and Carole are in a good place because they vacationed together I believe in Miami after filming ended. I have also gotten the impression from some things that Heather and Beth have said, and from some Tweets, that they are in a good place. It also appears that Lu is in a good place with Beth. Actually from something that Dorinda said in an interview, it sounds as if Beth ended up getting along with everyone except for Kristen. The deal with Lu and her venom towards Heather and Carole must be something big that is going to play out through the season. I think that the deal with Adam is just the start of it.

[archer1267]

If Lu's niece is 19 now, just how old was she when the cook was dating her?

 

Nicole made an appearance in first season, when LuAnn hung out with her downtown for an evening and it was a big anomaly for her. I remember the two going into a bar to hear music, and I thought she was either a college student back then, or in her early 20s. That would have been 5-6 years ago, so I assume she’s Adam’s age.

 

Btw, RHONY is not Nicole's only rodeo on reality TV.

[aradia22]

Carole's theories are, to put it politely, complete horse shit. Guys like it when you puke because it makes you seem vulnerable? First of all, why don't we all just stumble around so we seem clumsy and fold in on ourselves when we sit so we look like birds with broken wings? Secondly, vomiting is disgusting regardless of the gender of the person doing it and the person observing it. 

 

So age is irrelevant except for how much Carole loves dating a younger guy.

 

Dominik is adorable. And he has great hair. Jordache. So awkward.

 

Suuurrre Kristin doesn't care about not being invited. I'm with Jimilyn. Shut up, Kristin.

 

 

Exactly. And that's why Bethenny not inviting Kristen and Dorinda felt exclusionary. I mean, she even invited Ramona! Who she had just told she didn't want to hang out with.

I would believe her if she said she forgot Kristen existed. I almost have.

 

Lucy is beautiful. And Hannah did make me chuckle a little talking about the guys her mom is attracted to.

 

Was Peter attracted to Ramona's business sense or her pocketbook?

 

I believe there's room for all body types but why were they playing the bow chicka wow wow music for Carole's (lack of) cleavage?

 

Are all Dorinda and John's scenes going to be bickering in restaurants?

[racked]

Chef not cook. :-)

Ha just call me Kelly. But making apps for Luanne's houseguests? He's a cook!

[aradia22]

LOL. Get Dorinda and Carole together and suddenly we're having a conversation about dead husbands. And how does Carole not know any other widows?

 

I do think giving everyone a nickname/shortening their names is kind of a power move from Heather. Especially since she loves her lectures.

 

Heather was being RIDICULOUS. I get that right now nothing is happening in your life that the cameras seem to think is worth capturing. But your attempts to get yourself into a main storyline are desperate and obvious. Sit down. And I feel like Heather could totally hang with Bethenny but she's just choosing to be offended. It's all so fake. Stop it. Stop ruining my fun with more fake drama. It's too soon. I was enjoying the season.

[aradia22]

 

 

But Lu's Twitter is worth a look-

https://twitter.com/countessluann

No idea why they aren't getting along but this is fun.

 

https://twitter.com/CountessLuann/status/593222400805830656

https://twitter.com/CountessLuann/status/593225585213702145

[ScoobieDoobs]

OK, I'm not so thrilled with Carole & Heather lately either, but sheesh, Lu -- MEE-OW!!!!!

[ScoobieDoobs]

Interesting that NONE of these broads were invited to the Met Gala.  It is considered THE social event of the year in NYC.  And btw, NYC's BIGGEST fame-ho, Satan Andy is there.  The best Lu can do is re-tweet a billion things on her Twitter about peeps attending.  Wowza, I'm just so impressed with you, Lu.  I'm only mentioning this cuz it proves to me, NONE of these women are well-connected here.  NONE.

[motorcitymom65]

LOL. Get Dorinda and Carole together and suddenly we're having a conversation about dead husbands. And how does Carole not know any other widows?

I do think giving everyone a nickname/shortening their names is kind of a power move from Heather. Especially since she loves her lectures.

Heather was being RIDICULOUS. I get that right now nothing is happening in your life that the cameras seem to think is worth capturing. But your attempts to get yourself into a main storyline are desperate and obvious. Sit down. And I feel like Heather could totally hang with Bethenny but she's just choosing to be offended. It's all so fake. Stop it. Stop ruining my fun with more fake drama. It's too soon. I was enjoying the season.

I don't think Carole said she didn't know any other widows, she said that when she became a widow in her 30's that there were no others in her social group at the time that she knew.

I am not sure if Heather is chosing to be offended, but if someone had talked to me the way that Beth had, I would be offended and I would have said so much more clearly than Heather did.

Edited May 5, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[motorcitymom65]

Haha LOVE! Agree totally. And I liked Bethanny so much that I went to her one-woman show.

Regarding her boyfriend's lack of appearance, he may not have wanted to be on tv or she may have wanted to keep her love life separate from the show.

I think that both of these are true. Beth has said recently that she would never date anyone who actually wanted to be on a Reality show, after her bad experience with her hubby.

I just wonder when it became OK to do this? He wouldn't have to be on the show for her to acknowledge that she has a boyfriend. She hasn't said boo about it yet. Lu's role was reduced last year because she didn't want to share all of her personal life, and Vicki was told that if she didn't include Brooks this year on the OC show the same thing would happen to her. As the matter of fact, Andy publicly commented on this, and I don't remember him ever doing that before. He said that she couldn't keep her personal life "personal" if she wanted to be on a Reality TV show. Lord knows she has trotted him out for years and it has been bad for both of them. Strange that Beth gets such a pass on this.

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articles/36228/20141216/bravo-forcing-vicki-gunvalson-show-relationship-brooks-ayers-real-houseiwves-orange-county-season-10-newtork-demanded-more-couple-camera-time.htm

[WireWrap]

I think that both of these are true. Beth has said recently that she would never date anyone who actually wanted to be on a Reality show, after her bad experience with her hubby.

I just wonder when it became OK to do this? He wouldn't have to be on the show for her to acknowledge that she has a boyfriend. She hasn't said boo about it yet. Lu's role was reduced last year because she didn't want to share all of her personal life, and Vicki was told that if she didn't include Brooks this year on the OC show the same thing would happen to her. As the matter of fact, Andy publicly commented on this, and I don't remember him ever doing that before. He said that she couldn't keep her personal life "personal" if she wanted to be on a Reality TV show. Lord knows she has trotted him out for years and it has been bad for both of them. Strange that Beth gets such a pass on this.

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articles/36228/20141216/bravo-forcing-vicki-gunvalson-show-relationship-brooks-ayers-real-houseiwves-orange-county-season-10-newtork-demanded-more-couple-camera-time.htm

He, Andy, used that exact reason as to why Porsha was downgraded this season, yet he has allowed Kenya and now Claudia to get away with it without penalty. Brandi does not date while on camera, as Zoeysmom has pointed out before, Brandi and JR always breakup just as filming starts and makeup right after filming ends! This rule about sharing seems to apply with those HW's Andy is ticked at or cares very little about IMO.

[AnnaL]

I think that both of these are true. Beth has said recently that she would never date anyone who actually wanted to be on a Reality show, after her bad experience with her hubby.

I just wonder when it became OK to do this? He wouldn't have to be on the show for her to acknowledge that she has a boyfriend. She hasn't said boo about it yet. Lu's role was reduced last year because she didn't want to share all of her personal life, and Vicki was told that if she didn't include Brooks this year on the OC show the same thing would happen to her. As the matter of fact, Andy publicly commented on this, and I don't remember him ever doing that before. He said that she couldn't keep her personal life "personal" if she wanted to be on a Reality TV show. Lord knows she has trotted him out for years and it has been bad for both of them. Strange that Beth gets such a pass on this.

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articles/36228/20141216/bravo-forcing-vicki-gunvalson-show-relationship-brooks-ayers-real-houseiwves-orange-county-season-10-newtork-demanded-more-couple-camera-time.htm

 

I think their relationship has been over for a while now, so she dated the guy for over a year and probably by the time the season wrapped up she was no longer with him so I don't see the big deal.

 

Now when Bethenny starts acting like desperada Sonia, Carole, Luann or Ramona by throwing herself at any guy in front of her then I will be the first one to call her out. They are entitled to have BFs that are younger than them but I think to act like they are desperate is a little bit ridiculous.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Thank you to the posters who reminded me of Avery's bad attitude during her Sweet Sixteen Party. I completely forgot about that.

[Higgins]

LOL. Get Dorinda and Carole together and suddenly we're having a conversation about dead husbands. And how does Carole not know any other widows?

 

 

Because she hangs out with teenagers?

[jaync]

Heather was different though, Heather came with a systematic plan IMO, she went as far as doing some digging into the first season, she probably watched and rewatched that scene between Bethenny and Luann when Bethenny first introduced her skinnygirl margarita, she thought and thought about it and decided that she was going to dig Bethenny with it and demand a rolex or a car for her "friend" Luann, as if that would be well received by anybody let alone Bethenny.

Heather was under the impression that LuAnn helped with the SG name because of what Beth wrote in LuAnn's copy of Beth's book. It was mentioned at the time, and a flashback scene of LuAnn showing the inscription to Heather was shown in this episode.

 

And why isn't she putting any blame on Adam.  He's as much a part of it as Carole.

Yeah, I'm not understanding why LuAnn's butthurt is all aimed at Carole, as it takes two to make a fucking emoji. Even if Adam was the recent ex boyfriend of her niece, the operative word is "ex". If not Carole, then Adam would probably have been hooking up with some other woman.

[KFC]

I do think that Heather and Carole's friendship with Lu was legit and more than just what we saw on TV. The reason that Heather was so disappointed in Lu and her Pirate was that she said at the time that she and her husband had become quite close to Lu and Jacques. She said that they had spent a lot of time together off camera just hanging out as couples. She talked in her blog about also being close to Lu's kids. At the beginning of this season Carole made a point of saying she and Lu had become close and that she spent weekends at Lu's Hampton house with her on several occasions. That makes it so strange for Lu to be coming after them on Twitter in such a manner.

 

Yeah, I'll be curious to see how exactly "Uncool" gate unfolds, since it did seem from the previews that Luann was directing that comment to Heather. There's always a problem-behind-the-problem in the HW 'verse when it comes to feuds, so I'll be curious to see if the Luann vs. Carole/Heather dispute is any different. I can't imagine Adam being the sole cause of it.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I think their relationship has been over for a while now, so she dated the guy for over a year and probably by the time the season wrapped up she was no longer with him so I don't see the big deal.

 

This is absolutely INCORRECT!  Bethenny was DEFINITELY going out with him during the whole time they were filming this season.  Actually, they were very close.  They were living together & vacationing together during the whole season.  Daily Mail has a zillion articles on them together during the whole season.  By not mentioning his existence at all, she was outright lying.  I think that is a big deal -- a very big deal.  Her whole shtick is how honest she is & she was being totally deceptive, cagey & dishonest here.  

 

Why did Satan Andy let her get away with this bullshit, when he says he won't allow it from anyone else on his shows?

 

She only broke up with him a month ago-

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/bethenny-frankel-splits-boyfriend-michael-cerussi-article-1.2160388

 

Now, why would Satan Andy cruelly force everyone else on his shows to include their significant others, whether they want to or not, but he didn't do this to Bethenny?  I'm sure there are some sinister motives involved.  That's why I call him Satan Andy.

Edited May 5, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[ryebread]

We're only 4 episodes in.  Maybe Beth will cop to 'keeping the company of a man' in a future ep. 

 

Seems like Lu got mad at Carole right after this last episode aired.  Perhaps she didn't realize how long Toddler and Toothy had actually kept themselves secret until she saw the episode.  Countess probably realized she was the last to know and everyone had been talking about it (and her reaction) for a long while.

[Grneyedldy]

Yeah, I'm not understanding why LuAnn's butthurt is all aimed at Carole, as it takes two to make a fucking emoji. Even if Adam was the recent ex boyfriend of her niece, the operative word is "ex". If not Carole, then Adam would probably have been hooking up with some other woman.

It seems Lu is stuck on the proper etiquicy of no twiddling the help.

[Ellee]

 

This is absolutely INCORRECT!  Bethenny was DEFINITELY going out with him during the whole time they were filming this season.  Actually, they were very close.  They were living together & vacationing together during the whole season.  Daily Mail has a zillion articles on them together during the whole season.  By not mentioning his existence at all, she was outright lying.  I think that is a big deal -- a very big deal.  Her whole shtick is how honest she is & she was being totally deceptive, cagey & dishonest here.  

 

Why did Satan Andy let her get away with this bullshit, when he says he won't allow it from anyone else on his shows?

 

She only broke up with him a month ago-

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/bethenny-frankel-splits-boyfriend-michael-cerussi-article-1.2160388

 

Now, why would Satan Andy cruelly force everyone else on his shows to include their significant others, whether they want to or not, but he didn't do this to Bethenny?  I'm sure there are some sinister motives involved.  That's why I call him Satan Andy.

 

Did I hear my name called?

 

[Trooper York]

Toddler and Toothy? Nice.

 

I salute you!

[ScoobieDoobs]

Congrats, Ellee -- that's THE best post I've EVER seen here or on TWoP!!!!!

[ScoobieDoobs]

Perhaps she didn't realize how long Toddler and Toothy had actually kept themselves secret until she saw the episode.

 

 

Toddler & Toothy?  Ah, thanks for the giggles & chuckles.  Hope we're not gonna be crucified for age-shaming tho, Rye . . .

 

Lu does seem to be fixated on the concept of not banging the staff.  OK then, Lu.  Lemme get your rules on who it's OK to bang straight.  Pirates are OK, right?  21 year old gigolo/hustler/"models" are OK too, right, Lu?  But staff is a no-no, even if you just hired him (or her) once for a party?  Still a no-no, right?  But it's OK to bang random peeps you meet spontaneously in sleazy, but upscale bars, in parts of the city where you don't live or have lived.  That's OK, right, Lu?  Them is Lu's rules, which I guess we all must live by, eh?

[Mozelle]

I just don't understand this imperative that LuAnn needed to know as soon as Carole and Adam went out. Or that LuAnn is acting like an asshole on Twitter probably because last week's episode may have been when she found out that Carole told Heather before telling her. Or that Adam is barred from having sex with someone who was once a guest in LuAnn's house. Who the fuck is LuAnn?

 

I guarantee that LuAnn goes to no one to discuss and/or give a heads up on who she's sleeping with. For her to have her nose out of whack over this is ridiculous. Ma'am, he's not your ex-man; Carole owes you nothing. Get a life. 

[robroy]

I get Lu. I think in her world the proper person to slag is one without so much as peripheral involvement with friends/family. I am fine with that!

 

I also think she's probably tires of Heather slamming her PirateGate and Carole's federal case out of her asking for a loaner dress & then bringing home a man for the s-e-x only to have the two of them revel in Carole's free spirited hook-up with her combo employee/family friend. Of all the HoWives we've seen on this show Lu is the only one who stands out as having on-going relationships with anyone who once worked for them.

 

Plus- it takes some major discipline not to snark about a 50 year old woman riding on the handle bars of a bicycle while being peddled across Manhattan streets. Can you imagine the commentary if KBB had done the same.

[ryebread]

Plus- it takes some major discipline not to snark about a 50 year old woman riding on the handle bars of a bicycle while being peddled across Manhattan streets. Can you imagine the commentary if KBB had done the same.

 

Know that.  It took major discipline not to snark about that. Didn't do it because I tend to pick at every sophomoric, annoying thing the princess does and there're only so many hours in my day. LOL. So I'm glad you mentioned it first.  I'm surprised she didn't produce a beret to throw into the air while the theme song to Mary Tyler Moore played.

 

I get Luann's loyalty to her family, too.  But I think it's odd that she's been photographed recently with Carole, looking friendly, and now she's got a problem with Carole and Heather. 

[Giselle]

Dorinda must spend a fortune keeping her daughter in eyebrow pencils and red lipstick. Dang!

 

I'm waiting to see if two chrysalis form over the season.

Did I hear my name called?

 

 

YOU WIN!!!  Just wish someone could send this to him.

 

Good going Ellee!

[Giselle]

Hated P2Heather deciding what she was going to call Bethany and not using her name. A few have tried to do that to me, they didn't like my return in kind and stopped. It seems like P2 keeps pressing Bethany's buttons every time she sees her. That being said Bethany has become a rude bitch and I liked her more pre-success.

 

I don't care if an older woman or man dates/marrys a younger person but damn the party this episode and the nightclub last episode were embarrassing. Their antics made me think of them as a free piece of desperate rich old ass up for grabs. Milk 'em boys!

Edited May 5, 2015 by Giselle

[Ellee]

ScoobieDoobs and Giselle, I wish I could claim it as my work but I have to admit that I searched 'Andy Cohen Satan' and like magic it was there.

:D

[Mozelle]

I get Lu. I think in her world the proper person to slag is one without so much as peripheral involvement with friends/family. I am fine with that!

 

I also think she's probably tires of Heather slamming her PirateGate and Carole's federal case out of her asking for a loaner dress & then bringing home a man for the s-e-x only to have the two of them revel in Carole's free spirited hook-up with her combo employee/family friend. Of all the HoWives we've seen on this show Lu is the only one who stands out as having on-going relationships with anyone who once worked for them.

 

Plus- it takes some major discipline not to snark about a 50 year old woman riding on the handle bars of a bicycle while being peddled across Manhattan streets. Can you imagine the commentary if KBB had done the same.

 

When did Heather slam LuAnn for Pirategate? Heather certainly expressed shock about it, but that wasn't enough for LuAnn to drop Heather as a friend and be a bitch about her on social media. They went to St. Barth's, what?, three years ago? And now is when LuAnn's had it up to here? She also made up with Carole two years ago over their issues, so, again, now LuAnn has problems? (I mean, LuAnn does have problems if she's now taking to Twitter to fight about her niece's ex-boyfriend when just a month ago, before the show started airing, she was hanging out with Carole.) LuAnn is working to keep her apple. That's all. This outrage is faker than her "Jacques and I want to have babies. Let me go to a fertility doctor" story line from a couple seasons back.

 

Hated P2Heather deciding what she was going to call Bethany and not using her name. 

 

I mean, I guess. Heather calls Carole "Radzi" and LuAnn "Lu." LuAnn calls Sonja "Sahn." If Bethenny doesn't like her name being shortened, she's well within her rights to tell Heather that. This (faux, to me, once again) outrage, however, over shortening names is simply baffling.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Mozelle

[Giselle]

ScoobieDoobs and Giselle, I wish I could claim it as my work but I have to admit that I searched 'Andy Cohen Satan' and like magic it was there.

:D

 

Still, you found it for us. Thank you!

[missy jo]

On re-watch, I think Bethenny's, "Really, you're *that* knowledgeable?" to Dorinda about dress colors is actually far more bitchy than anything she said/did to Heather.