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mojoween

mojoween

7 hours ago, Moose135 said:

No. At its most "basic" level:

WAR = (Batting Runs + Base Running Runs + Fielding Runs + Positional Adjustment + League Adjustment + Replacement Runs) / (Runs Per Win)

If your head hasn't exploded lately, take a look here, and it will...

Calculating Position Player WAR, A Complete Example | Sabermetrics Library (fangraphs.com)

There is more here:

What is WAR in Baseball? How To Calculate War In Baseball (scottfujita.com)

The best part? Different places use different calculations, so there can be different results for the same player...

I hate all of this, heh.  Pitcher throw strikes, batter hit ball.  If they’re successful at that, my eyeballs will tell me if it’s award-worthy.

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catlover79
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A's fans were still able to make their fury at the Astros known when the teams played in Oakland last night. They may not be physically allowed in the stadium, so they did the next best thing:

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I read that Houck said he was "bummed" that he would missing a start. Hmmm, if only there was something he could have done to make sure he could play in every park. 

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Lantern7

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6 hours ago, mojoween said:

Quick someone check on Lantern he must be so annoyed right now.

Yep. I didn’t know free agents can sign contracts right now. I hope the new GM’s got sturdy fingers, because the dike is leaking and the holes need plugging.

Had to add “right now” after the initial post.

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mojoween

mojoween

Freddie Coleman was speaking my language. He said on his radio show that they should call it Player of the Year instead of Most Valuable Player if they’re not going to take the numbers into account. He even said that the Angels would’ve been terrible with or without Ohtani; but the Blue Jays got within one game of the playoffs because of Vladdy, which makes Vladdy more valuable.

Also the baseball writers can fuck right off with their “oh the fans need to understand exactly what Ohtani’s doing” like we’re some dumb unwashed masses who don’t understand the game. We know what he’s doing - he pitches, he hits, and he does both very well. What the writers don’t seem to want to understand is that fans have teams.  I have a team I root for. Ohtani is not on it. Therefore, I don’t really care if he hits bats and fields in 162 straight games. I don’t give a rip about the Angels, so he’s a nice story but I’m not gonna lose my mind over it.

Ok I’ll hop off my soapbox now and stop bitching.

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Mittengirl

Mittengirl

On 11/13/2021 at 1:10 PM, cambridgeguy said:

 

Speaking of which, I'd forgotten that Pujols' contract has finally expired.  I'm assuming no one is going to sign him, and if so it's an unpleasant end to an epic career.  I'd expect to see something similar when Miguel Cabrera finishes in 2023.

Miguel has already announced that he will retire after his contract is up.  Of course, he would be far from the first to change his mind.  I think his knees bother him too much and he really likes playing in the field, rather than full time DH.  He seemed happier this year, with Hinch putting him at first a little more often. 

cambridgeguy

cambridgeguy

Barring new information Ortiz is likely a first ballot HOFer (and if not will get in soon enough) while A-Rod is guaranteed to languish like Bond and Clemens have.   I expect most voters will consider him innocent until proven guilty on the PED charges, and his postseason heroics are going to push him over the top.  Of course, it would be hilarious if his old teammate Curt Schilling also got voted in.

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cambridgeguy

cambridgeguy

13 hours ago, mojoween said:

David Ortiz was on the Mitchell report so unsure why he is not tarnished with the same brush…?

Because most people like him and there's enough ambiguity around the results to give him the benefit of the doubt if you want to, especially since he never tested positive again.  Contrast that to his old buddy Manny Ramirez, who also seemed to be pretty well liked (hey, it's just Manny being Manny) but got nailed later on and is now languishing on the ballot.

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Rootbeer

12 hours ago, Mittengirl said:

The picture used in the article linked above is of Todd Jones, not Doug Jones.  AFAIK, Todd is fine.  And not 64.  And a former Tiger, as evidenced by the uniform shown in the picture, which Doug was not.  Someone really screwed up.

I didn't even look at the photo, but you're absolutely correct, not Doug Jones.

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mojoween

mojoween

3 hours ago, cambridgeguy said:

Because most people like him and there's enough ambiguity around the results to give him the benefit of the doubt if you want to, especially since he never tested positive again.  Contrast that to his old buddy Manny Ramirez, who also seemed to be pretty well liked (hey, it's just Manny being Manny) but got nailed later on and is now languishing on the ballot.

A-Rod never tested positive either.  Neither did Bonds or Clemens.  

cambridgeguy

cambridgeguy

3 minutes ago, mojoween said:

A-Rod never tested positive either.  Neither did Bonds or Clemens.  

A-Rod has admitted to using PEDs and he was suspended, so a positive test (or lack thereof) is irrelevant in the minds of many voters.  As for Bonds and Clemens, this isn't a court of law where it's innocent until proven guilty.  If there's plenty of circumstantial evidence (and they don't really like you) then it's clear a fair number of voters are willing to bring down the hammer.  Anyone who thinks on the field performance is all that matters is kidding themselves, otherwise Curt Schilling would have gotten in by now.

 

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Lantern7

Lantern7

3 minutes ago, mojoween said:

I’m confused why Max Scherzer is team-hopping.  It can’t just be money, can it?

He wants a challenge in Flushing?

Reminder for the Mets: do not get any player on the cover of Sports Illustrated when they do the preview issue. Fewer covers per year means potentially greater potency in the “cover curse.” Why take chances?

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Ms Blue Jay

Ms Blue Jay

On 11/23/2021 at 5:32 PM, mojoween said:

I don’t understand why the Yankees sign guys who are super positive and make everyone around them fun for one year and then ditch them.  Farewell, Rougie.  Was nice to know you.

Same boat for me, I am devastated to learn that Marcus Semien is leaving the Jays, but I am really happy for him that he made gangbusters money.

JTMacc99

JTMacc99

On 11/23/2021 at 9:56 AM, cambridgeguy said:

As for Bonds and Clemens, this isn't a court of law where it's innocent until proven guilty.  If there's plenty of circumstantial evidence (and they don't really like you) then it's clear a fair number of voters are willing to bring down the hammer. 

Speaking of purely subjective evaluations, it has been my opinion for a very long time that the only good way to deal with the steroid era is exactly what is happening. 

For all intents and purposes, steroid use was "legal" in MLB for a long time. Players who chose to take steroids, knowing there wasn't really anything stopping them, have to deal with the fact that history is now judging their achievements as tainted. As we should. If I had a vote, I would absolutely look at careers and consider which ones were probably impacted by steroid use, and vote accordingly.

 

As for Bonds, there is no doubt in my mind that he got annoyed at all of the other players racking up big numbers and essentially said, "Hold my beer. I'll show everybody what it looks like when a good player does this."  And between him being an unlikeable dude, and his shattering records, he was probably the biggest catalyst for the things that brought an end to it. 

His career is super easy to evaluate as "no steroids" and "duh, steroids", and that the "no steroids" portion was a very clear HoF career including 3 of his 7 MVP awards.

Because of that, and his selfishness/narcissism inadvertently helping bring an end to the steroid era, I would be okay with him getting in at some point. 

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emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

35 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Same boat for me, I am devastated to learn that Marcus Semien is leaving the Jays, but I am really happy for him that he made gangbusters money.

That's how I feel every winter when my team loses at least one young star who wants bank. Including Semien a couple years ago. Next year, we lose both Matt Chapman and Matt Olson and will be garbage for years. 😢

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cambridgeguy

cambridgeguy

3 hours ago, mojoween said:

I’m confused why Max Scherzer is team-hopping.  It can’t just be money, can it?

Why not?  He already won his World Series and he's probably done enough to make the HOF.  Making 40+ million a year (with an opt out after year 2 if the Mets really suck) sounds pretty good.  And hey, if the Mets do well he'll get a lot of credit.  If they suck then it's because the Mets are the Mets.

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cleo

cleo

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Somehow I still feel like the Rangers will still suck lol. All the best to Semien but I just don't think he will reproduce what he did in Toronto with Texas.

I never studied Seager's numbers a lot but he always seemed streaky and prone to injury. 

So Correa to the Yankees? Or is he going to wait until Feb? 

 

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wknt3

wknt3

On 11/23/2021 at 5:32 PM, mojoween said:

I don’t understand why the Yankees sign guys who are super positive and make everyone around them fun for one year and then ditch them.  Farewell, Rougie.  Was nice to know you.

I kind of understand it this year given the number of prospects other teams are eying for the Rule 5 draft. I mean I like Odor, but enough to watch someone winning awards for another team? Nope. It's different from when they let someone go to save a few bucks.

Rae Spellman

Rae Spellman

Molly Knight suggests that being a member of the leadership council of the MLB Players Association might have impacted Scherzer's decision.

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And it makes sense that Scherzer signed with the Mets even though in the past he said he wanted to a) play for a winner and b) pitch in warm weather year round. (At press time the Mets check neither of those boxes). Despite his personal preferences, as a member of the leadership council of the MLB Players Association, there was no way that Scherzer could turn down a contract that would increase the record AAV for an MLB pitcher by twenty percent. Contracts like the one Scherzer just signed set the market for future deals. Thanks to Scherzer, we are now probably only a year or two away from a guy signing a contract worth $50 million a year.

 

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cleo

cleo

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Apparently there are some legal issues about using name, image, likeness, but those issues would not mean MLB would have to strip its website, but they sure would like people to think that they have no choice, just like they have no choice but to lock out players.

ETA my limited understanding is that they cannot use players images for promotion but reporting news articles, signings etc is all fair game. But Manfred will just wipe everything out bc.....? It hurts the players? I don't really get the rationale myself but he's like the disappointed parent saying I have no choice boys! Even though the actual truth about the law is nuanced and he's just being an ass.

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Jane Tuesday

Jane Tuesday

20 hours ago, cleo said:

ETA my limited understanding is that they cannot use players images for promotion but reporting news articles, signings etc is all fair game. But Manfred will just wipe everything out bc.....?

To give them the benefit of the doubt, it may be a technical issue.  If all the images are on the same server, it would be easier to just route them all elsewhere, versus picking and choosing and worrying about legalities of individual images.  Especially given how many pages are on their sitemap, individual team pages, etc.

Then again, they've changed way more than just images, so... probably just being petty.

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