First Looks: Upcoming Episodes Season 5

[WireWrap]

They are doing what Adrienne should have done in season 3.

Had Adrienne addressed the use of a surrogate on camera during the season, Brandi would have been gone by now. If the facts were shown/talked about, the C&D letter to the other person (not Brandi), that Adrienne/Paul used a surrogate for what ever reason (age, health, whatever), no one on the cast would have stood beside Brandi, not even Lisa/Ken IMO. and she would have lost any fan support she had. 

[BettyPoz]

Andre, Brandi's new boy toy, is Max's friend. No wonder she was so quick to be on this date.

Brandi still doesn't believe the slap was no big deal and has done was a "joke". Yo still trying to be Brandi's etiquette coach. Lisa said shes done giving Brandi 2nd chances and she blows it.

Ken was on the phone with Lisa he was shocked to hear what Brandi did. Yo fills Brandi in about how what Lisa told her and all she got was attitude back and Brandi said in her TH, "I whether have a date than be around five menopausal mamas." Yo was not happy with Brandi's attitude and said, "Thats the kind of response you get from a child" all because Brandi was deflecting yet again from not taking accountability for her actions.

I was practically cheering when, in response to Brandi's standard "but I apologiiiiiizzzeddddd what do you want me to doooooo?", Lisa told her to THINK BEFORE SHE ACTS!  Woohoo.  Thank you thank you Lisa VP for NOT accepting her apology, standing firm and telling her like it is.

 

I liked the preview of Brandi's date - clearly visible:  her Spanx under the dress (look at the hemline creeping up).

 

Second the repetition of Heather's statement above.  Pretty much no one wants to hang out with Brandi, with the possible exception of Kim (who certainly can't process knowing any better).  Brandi would have no one to hang out with, if it weren't for the contractual obligation for the others being on the show.

PLEASE PLEASE tell me that was Brandi's nightie and NOT her dinner outfit???

[SwordQueen]

That is my take on the First Look of Brandi crying once again about not being heard.  Not one of these women's marriages or children has an effect on Brandi's life whatsoever.  The cruelest of which is Brandi comparing LvP to a prostitute because she married someone older than she.  Why would anyone want to listen to that? 

 

lol  Agree. 

 

I wish someone, anyone would just tell Brandi straight out, "Oh, we hear you, honey, and that's the reason we don't like you. You're annoying and full of shit.".  The HW really need to stop giving in to Brandi and fighting/arguing with her.  This is why Eileen rocks, because she's the most straightforward of them all.  Brandi is like a child and like with children, the HW need to tell her how it is, calmly, directly, and repeatedly.  They try to reason and explain and you just can't with her because she'll isolate something they've said and twist it until the rest of the HW are angry, crying, and raging.  They need some kind of Brandi Mantra to repeat it until she shuts the fuck up.  Eileen needs to school them all in how to speak to Brandi, where there's no rebuttal, no excuse, nothing left for her to say. 

[Wings]

What have we seen the Lisa's, Yolanda, Kyle or Eileen do on the show that they are trying to hide? I see it more as Kim/Brandi's horrid behavior high jacking the show and making it all about themselves.

 

 

Oh. I did not mean they have anything to hide, not at all.  It is just easier to target someone than sit there and talk about themselves.  I am sure they are all guarded and don't want to expose themselves in any way.  An easy way to chat in front of cameras is to talk/gossip about someone else.  I don't believe any of them are hiding anything. 

[WireWrap]

Oh. I did not mean they have anything to hide, not at all.  It is just easier to target someone than sit there and talk about themselves.  I am sure they are all guarded and don't want to expose themselves in any way.  An easy way to chat in front of cameras is to talk/gossip about someone else.  I don't believe any of them are hiding anything. 

LOL, In all honesty, Brandi and Kim have given the other HW's enough bad/horrid/questionable behavior this season alone to talk about for a very long time! I do not think the others even got a chance to "showcase" or even "expose" themselves much because B's/K's bad behavior took over the show.

[cooksdelight]

I am sure they are all guarded and don't want to expose themselves in any way

I must have watched a different show when Eileen, Lisa R and Yolonda were sharing some pretty painful stuff about themselves and their families.

[AnnA]

I must have watched a different show when Eileen, Lisa R and Yolonda were sharing some pretty painful stuff about themselves and their families.

 

And that was only what they offered up in front of the camera.  

 

Almost everyone has something they'd rather not make public and these women aren't any different.

[notnowimbusy]

lol  Agree. 

 

I wish someone, anyone would just tell Brandi straight out, "Oh, we hear you, honey, and that's the reason we don't like you. You're annoying and full of shit.".  The HW really need to stop giving in to Brandi and fighting/arguing with her.  This is why Eileen rocks, because she's the most straightforward of them all.  Brandi is like a child and like with children, the HW need to tell her how it is, calmly, directly, and repeatedly.  They try to reason and explain and you just can't with her because she'll isolate something they've said and twist it until the rest of the HW are angry, crying, and raging.  They need some kind of Brandi Mantra to repeat it until she shuts the fuck up.  Eileen needs to school them all in how to speak to Brandi, where there's no rebuttal, no excuse, nothing left for her to say. 

I agree.  If they refused to react to anything Brandi says - and I mean anything - she would become even more frustrated and go nuts.   Just completely ignore her.  They contractually have to film with her, but that doesn't mean they need to engage her in any way.   I think that's what LisaV has been trying to do all season, but after the slap she will up her game, and ignore her completely.   Kyle should do the same.   When Brandi throws things out, they should calmly, like Eileen, say "excuse me, did you say something?".   I can only hope at the reunion, after her talking behind Kim's back is revealed, and the others state that they are through with her - she give one last "deuces MotherF#%*$#s" and is gone.  Even YO seems fed up with her.   Yo feels she's done everything she can (and guessing from next week, she gives it one more try).   Let Brandi go on to other things - like Leeza Gibbons.  She will soon learn that having Brandi as a friend is something that can ruin your career, and any social standing you may have had.  If you lay down with dogs you're going to get fleas.  And in Brandi's case - worse!

[Wings]

I must have watched a different show when Eileen, Lisa R and Yolonda were sharing some pretty painful stuff about themselves and their families.

 

pffffffffft It was all self aggrandizing.  All for show.  They are so long suffering.  Yuh, right.  I am keeping Yolanda out of this, so you know.  I like her, she is genuine and the real deal.  

LOL, In all honesty, Brandi and Kim have given the other HW's enough bad/horrid/questionable behavior this season alone to talk about for a very long time! I do not think the others even got a chance to "showcase" or even "expose" themselves much because B's/K's bad behavior took over the show.

 

 

And they are very happy with this.  

[DebbieM4]

They are all deflecting, making Kim and Brandi the problem to keep the focus off of themselves.  Concerned about Kim?  No.  Kyle is but any concern from the others is just posing.  Hopefully Brandi's date will keep her out of the plot next week.   

 

I disagree.  It seems to me that the entire point of being on a show like this is to keep the focus ON themselves.  They certainly know that it's far better to have their own lives featured - their homes, their husbands, their kids, their work, their struggles, their parties - than to be mere props in someone else's storyline.

 

 I'm sure that every one of them would be much happier if Kim and Brandi were not the focus of attention so much of the time.  Except Brandi of course, who would throw anyone under the bus to be the focus.

 

It's kind of like what Lisa said when they had the script-reading at Eileen's house:  "I didn't drive 2-1/2 hours to play Peanut".  I may have the quote not exactly right, but I'm equating it to the HW's who signed on for this show, prepped their families, filmed for hours & hours of everything from the mundane to the glamorous, and ended up having most of that edited out with only constant conversations about Kim & Brandi left in.  They didn't go to all that effort only to be reduced to bit players in the Kim & Brandi Show.

 

(And IMO Kim and Brandi clearly and overwhelmingly ARE the problem, so I don't see a need for any deflecting.  We've seen that with our own eyes.)

[zoeysmom]

pffffffffft It was all self aggrandizing.  All for show.  They are so long suffering.  Yuh, right.  I am keeping Yolanda out of this, so you know.  I like her, she is genuine and the real deal.  

 

 

And they are very happy with this.  

I am at a loss here-what do you think these other women should be showing?  I have always gotten the impression that Brandi is very high octane in the drama department and thinks everyone's marriage should be running on the verge of blowing up the engine.  Hence, Brandi's comment about all the husbands cheating and how boring and menopausal all the other women are.  Some people, even high profile people are pretty happy to just exist and enjoy their beautiful homes, take grand vacations, work together and generally celebrate their lives and those of their children.

 

Most middle age women don't feel the need to talk about their sex lives, with acquaintances or on TV.  Brandi wants to fine-maybe they are just tired of listening.

[DebbieM4]

They are so long suffering.

 

I'm having trouble quoting, but I wanted to respond to the statement above re the women other than Brandi & Kim.

 

I don't them at all as long-suffering.  In fact, I think that most of the time they are upbeat, interesting, ready for anything, and fun.   Much more so than Brandi (who is always unhappy, complaining, and lashing out) and Kim (who can't control her own anger/depression issues no matter what substance she's used that day).

 

The long-suffering ones, IMO, are not the other ladies, but most definitely Kim & Brandi, both of whom pull out the victim card at every opportunity.

[AnnA]

While I think all the women on the HW's shows are famewhores to some extent, I don't believe all of them would want the focus of the show to be on them.   Some of  the women on the show, e.g., Lisa, Kyle and Yolanda don't need the Bravo paycheck, seem to have happy home lives and all of them have their brand of whatever but wouldn't want it tarnished in any way.  Lisa has her restaurants and wine.  Kyle has her clothing store and Mauricio's business.  Yolanda has her daughter's modeling careers and David's charity.  I think they're happy to have all the negative energy that Bravo can summon fall on Brandi and Kim.

 

Let's face it;  Andy Cohen's version of Real Housewives in no way resembles Robin Leach's Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.   All anyone has to do is watch WWHL once to understand Andy's taste in entertainment.  I'm not saying these women wouldn't welcome more screen time but it depends on what kind of screen time that is.

Edited March 16, 2015 by AnnA

[DebbieM4]

While I think all the women on the HW's shows are famewhores to some extent, I don't believe all of them would want the focus of the show to be on them.   Some of  the women on the show, e.g., Lisa, Kyle and Yolanda don't need the Bravo paycheck, seem to have happy home lives and all of them have their brand of whatever but wouldn't want it tarnished in any way.  Lisa has her restaurants and wine.  Kyle has her clothing store and Mauricio's business.  Yolanda has her daughter's modeling careers and David's charity.  I think they're happy to have all the negative energy that Bravo can summon fall on Brandi and Kim.

 

Let's face it;  Andy Cohen's version of Real Housewives in no way resembles Robin Leach's Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.   All anyone has to do is watch WWHL once to understand Andy's taste in entertainment.  I'm not saying these women wouldn't welcome more screen time but it depends on what kind of screen time that is.

 

I think they all want the attention on them.  I'm sure they never expected to be the focus every single minute (other than Brandi, who would love that), but I absolutely think that every HW in every franchise wants their own lives showcased.  And that's why they signed up.  No, they don't want negative attention, but I'm sure they'd prefer to be shown in more well-rounded ways other than just their interactions with Brandi & Kim.  They're probably just as bored with that as we are, and certainly they must feel that they have much more to offer.

 

As you said, most of them don't need the paycheck.  So why else would they be there other than to get as much exposure as possible for themselves, their families, and their lives?  

[AnnA]

As you said, most of them don't need the paycheck. So why else would they be there other than to get as much exposure as possible for themselves, their families, and their lives?

I don't disagree with you but since Bravo expects every season to have drama, they're better off not being the focus of that often ugly drama. They still get to be on TV, take fabulous vacations, promote their brand and show off their homes, closets, etc. Edited March 16, 2015 by AnnA

[SwordQueen]

I am at a loss here-what do you think these other women should be showing? 

 

Thank you for asking this, because it runs through my head quite often.  lol

 

When they (Lisa v, Lisa R, Eileen, Kyle) talk about themselves and share pieces of their lives -- they're being fake/long suffering. 

When they talk about the bullshit on the show (Brandi and Kim) -- they're being bullies/boring/fake/fame whores/yadda. 

 

So, what are they supposed to be doing?  If BRAVO got rid of the bullshit, I'd be happy watching the other HW talk about themselves while showing us pieces of their lives.  I don't really expect this show to be "real" in the everyday, normal life, way.  I know it's a cleaned up, glammed up version of themselves and their lives and I know most of these HoWives are pretty self-focused and fame whorish already, with being on TV and all, and I'm ok with that.  I just don't like bullshit.  IMO of course.  lol 

Edited March 16, 2015 by SwordQueen

[DebbieM4]

I don't disagree with you but since Bravo expects every season to have drama, they're better off not being the focus of that often ugly drama. They still get to be on TV, take fabulous vacations, promote their brand and show off their homes, closets, etc.

 

But I still don't think they're happy having all of the attention on Kim & Brandi.  It takes away from everything about themselves, including the positive.  Much less time is devoted to their family life, etc when the shows revolve around Kim sniveling and Brandi losing her temper at yet another dinner.  They want screen time and focus on themselves - That's why they're there.  None of them signed on with the expectation that they would be background players and it's unlikely that any of them want that.

 

I'm also not sure how fabulous they think these Bravo vacations are - They're forced to be with people they don't like for extended periods of time under stressful conditions.  They certainly can afford to take fabulous vacations with their own families and with their actual, real-life friends, and I'm sure that's what they do.  Certainly those vacations are the ones they consider "fabulous".

[ryebread]

Eileen said it best.  They all want the good stuff shown and will only expose the bad if they think they're cutting off the Truth Cannon at the pass.  The attention:  they want it until they don't. 

[Satchels of gold]

But I still don't think they're happy having all of the attention on Kim & Brandi.  It takes away from everything about themselves, including the positive.  Much less time is devoted to their family life, etc when the shows revolve around Kim sniveling and Brandi losing her temper at yet another dinner.  They want screen time and focus on themselves - That's why they're there.  None of them signed on with the expectation that they would be background players and it's unlikely that any of them want that.

 

I'm also not sure how fabulous they think these Bravo vacations are - They're forced to be with people they don't like for extended periods of time under stressful conditions.  They certainly can afford to take fabulous vacations with their own families and with their actual, real-life friends, and I'm sure that's what they do.  Certainly those vacations are the ones they consider "fabulous".

I would guess the "vacation" each season is the most dreaded event of the year.

[imjagain]

I am at a loss here-what do you think these other women should be showing? I have always gotten the impression that Brandi is very high octane in the drama department and thinks everyone's marriage should be running on the verge of blowing up the engine. Hence, Brandi's comment about all the husbands cheating and how boring and menopausal all the other women are. Some people, even high profile people are pretty happy to just exist and enjoy their beautiful homes, take grand vacations, work together and generally celebrate their lives and those of their children.

Most middle age women don't feel the need to talk about their sex lives, with acquaintances or on TV. Brandi wants to fine-maybe they are just tired of listening.

How strange, that Brandi a woman who has never failed to talk about the pain and tragady her husband's affairs/cheating created. Has thrown this out a few times, to the other women. One would think she would be aware how hurtful that would be.

This is one of the many reasons, I don't think down deep Brandi is a good person, or what ever she tries to claim.

She is only nice and sweet when she want something.

While I think she does like Yo, I think she realized Yo is not much help to her on the show any more. We see her frustration at Yo's advice. Much like last season with Lisa V.

Edited March 16, 2015 by imjagain

[zoeysmom]

How strange, that Brandi a woman who has never failed to talk about the pain and tragady her husband's affairs/cheating created. Has thrown this out a few times, to the other women. One would think she would be aware how hurtful that would be.

This is one of the many reasons, I don't think down deep Brandi is a good person, or what ever she tries to claim.

She is only nice and sweet when she want something.

While I think she does like Yo, I think she realized Yo is not much help to her on the show any more. We see her frustration at Yo's advice. Much like last season with Lisa V.

I see Brandi in the previews and she shockingly (not-Sonja from RHONYC has done first and better) and the words out of Brandi's mouth are "cock".   When is the last time any of these women have used that word publicly?  I am so not shocked more disgusted.  Somehow Brandi thinks these old menopausal women want hang with her shock talk.  They just don't. 

[SFoster21]

I see Brandi in the previews and she shockingly (not-Sonja from RHONYC has done first and better) and the words out of Brandi's mouth are "cock". When is the last time any of these women have used that word publicly? I am so not shocked more disgusted. Somehow Brandi thinks these old menopausal women want hang with her shock talk. They just don't.

Isn't that an odd remark to make about a fully dressed man? Not to mention that member size and beauty cannot be extrapolated from height, weight and good looks. There are six foot good looking men with tiny penises and short guys with terrific ones. Strange, vulgar and sad woman.

[zoeysmom]

Isn't that an odd remark to make about a fully dressed man? Not to mention that member size and beauty cannot be extrapolated from height, weight and good looks. There are six foot good looking men with tiny penises and short guys with terrific ones. Strange, vulgar and sad woman.

I think it has kind of back fired on Brandi this year-none of the RH is acting shocked or "clutching their pearls" as she likes to say.  She could not shock them on the bus, at the spa, at Yolanda's dinner or when describing Max's friend.  It must suck when your hole card has no value.  I actually think the 20 something line producers are very entertained by her bawdiness but not the cast.

 

So now she wants people saying she banged the 24 year old.  They just don't care.

[SoCal4Us]

I think it has kind of back fired on Brandi this year-none of the RH is acting shocked or "clutching their pearls" as she likes to say.  She could not shock them on the bus, at the spa, at Yolanda's dinner or when describing Max's friend.  It must suck when your hole card has no value.  I actually think the 20 something line producers are very entertained by her bawdiness but not the cast.

 

So now she wants people saying she banged the 24 year old.  They just don't care.

 

She could not shock them at the bar or in a car or even bathing in a tubful of tar!

 

Weak I know haha

[Wings]

 

I disagree.  It seems to me that the entire point of being on a show like this is to keep the focus ON themselves.  They certainly know that it's far better to have their own lives featured - their homes, their husbands, their kids, their work, their struggles, their parties - than to be mere props in someone else's storyline.

 

 

 The way they get face time is to keep the drama going with the 2 who are the identified problems.  They really don't want their lives to be seen in a bright light.  They are trying (futile goal) to keep their real lives private to some degree.  This is what I meant by deflecting.  How many posts scream for them to drop the subject when it comes to Kim's addiction and to ignore Brandi or walk away.  They don't want to do that for fear of becoming the topic of discussion for some other reason. Not saying they have anything to hide here.  

 

"Being concerned" about Kim shows them to be loving and caring people and that is how they want to be portrayed. LisaR can tell you it backfired on her big time, though!  

 

 

I am at a loss here-what do you think these other women should be showing?

 

This was in response to a post of mine.   I don't understand the this.  There is nothing to show that I can see.  All they have to do is be themselves which they are doing.  

Edited March 16, 2015 by wings707

[AnnA]

The way they get face time is to keep the drama going with the 2 who are the identified problems. They really don't want their lives to be seen in a bright light. They are trying (futile goal) to keep their real lives private to some degree. This is what I meant by deflecting. How many posts scream for them to drop the subject when it comes to Kim's addiction and to ignore Brandi or walk away. They don't want to do that for fear of becoming the topic of discussion for some other reason. Not saying they have anything to hide here.

"Being concerned" about Kim shows them to be loving and caring people and that is how they want to be portrayed. LisaR can tell you it backfired on her big time, though!

I think they have to play along with whatever story line the producers decided to go with for the season. If they took the advice of the posters who think they should ignore Brandi and Kim or just walk away, they'd be left out of what makes it on air. They like being on TV and don't want to end up on the cutting room floor so they chime in but in a way that doesn't reflect poorly on them. Unfortunately (or fortunately) for LisaR, she faced Kim with guns blazing. I said fortunately because that may have been her initiation to the RH's drama queen club, securing her spot for next season.

Edited March 16, 2015 by AnnA

[Wings]

I think they have to play along with whatever story line the producers decided to go with for the season.  If they took the advice of the posters who think they should ignore Brandi and Kim or just walk away, they'd be left out of what makes it on air.  They like being on TV and don't want to end up on the cutting room floor so they chime in but in a way that doesn't reflect poorly on them.  Unfortunately (or fortunately) for LisaR,  she faced Kim with guns blazing.  I say fortunately because that may have been her initiation to the RH's drama queen club, securing her spot for next season.

 

 

Oh yes.  Bravo wants them to play along and they are willing to do that because it keeps them out of the fire.  I should have included this in my post!  

[Kerrey92]

The Yolanda/Brandi exchange felt fraught with unspoken sentiment.  I wonder if by Brandi choosing and acknowledging that she didn't think she was welcome, nor would she want to go, to dinner that she was admitting that she couldn't be on the show anymore.  The way Yolanda sat there, sort of, "OOOKAY...if you know what you are doing?" made me think that there was more to it than what was shown.  And watching her open mouth kiss that guy was DISGUSTING.  It was HER kissing in particular that made it disgusting.  She is so, so gross.

[Wings]

The Yolanda/Brandi exchange felt fraught with unspoken sentiment.  I wonder if by Brandi choosing and acknowledging that she didn't think she was welcome, nor would she want to go, to dinner that she was admitting that she couldn't be on the show anymore.  The way Yolanda sat there, sort of, "OOOKAY...if you know what you are doing?" made me think that there was more to it than what was shown.  And watching her open mouth kiss that guy was DISGUSTING.  It was HER kissing in particular that made it disgusting.  She is so, so gross.

 

 

I believe Bravo set up the date and asked Yolanda to go have that talk.  It was a way to inform the other women and viewers why she was skipping out on dinner.  I think they wanted to have some footage without her.  I imagine the producers and crew needed a break.  They are as bored with this plot line as we are!  Now let's see if Kim gets a headache or something to excuse herself, too.  It would be interesting to see if they can talk about something other than those two.  

[BlackMamba]

Kyle vs Kim Exclusive clip on Ryan Seacrest
http://www.ryanseacrest.com/2015/03/16/kyle-richards-confronts-sister-kim-about-brandi-glanville-in-rhobh-exclusive-clip/

 

Kim is so ridiculous,. Least Kyle is finally gonna get some bass in her voice and handle Kim.

Edited March 16, 2015 by BlackMamba

[AnnA]

Kyle vs Kim Exclusive clip on Ryan Seacrest

http://www.ryanseacrest.com/2015/03/16/kyle-richards-confronts-sister-kim-about-brandi-glanville-in-rhobh-exclusive-clip/

Brandi has more than enough to answer for but she was not the one who said Kim needed an intervention. LisaR said it and Brandi said "we all need an intervention." Kyle wasn't there so she had to hear about it from LisaR which makes me wonder if LisaR lied and told Kyle it was Brandi or if Kyle misrepresented what LisaR told her.

ETA: LisaR has said it more than once too. She said it to LisaV in the car and I don't remember the other times.....maybe it was to Kyle and/or Eileen.

Edited March 16, 2015 by AnnA

[WireWrap]

Brandi has more than enough to answer for but she was not the one who said Kim needed an intervention. LisaR said it and Brandi said "we all need an intervention." Kyle wasn't there so she had to hear about it from LisaR which makes me wonder if LisaR lied and told Kyle it was Brandi or if Kyle misrepresented what LisaR told her.

ETA: LisaR has said it more than once too. She said it to LisaV in the car and I don't remember the other times.....maybe it was to Kyle and/or Eileen.

Brandi said something about "confronting" Kim to LisaR when they talked after the podcast. It was Lisa that said "No, we can't do an intervention" to Brandi's suggestion and then Brandi asked if LisaR could do a "group intervention" so that Kim would not feel singled out. Brandi's use of the word "confronting" is meant to mean the same as an "intervention" IMO. There was no mistaking her intent or her meaning and it was Lisa that said no, not Brandi because it was Brandi that then suggested a "group" intervention after Lisa's NO.

[Avaleigh]

I must have watched a different show when Eileen, Lisa R and Yolonda were sharing some pretty painful stuff about themselves and their families.

 

pffffffffft It was all self aggrandizing.  All for show.  They are so long suffering.  Yuh, right.  I am keeping Yolanda out of this, so you know.  I like her, she is genuine and the real deal.  

Wings707, did you miss the part where Eileen shared about the deaths of her sisters and niece? 

 

I understand that the women on this show are interested in fame and money to varying degrees but I still see them as human beings with actual feelings so I'm inclined to think that when Eileen talked about the deaths of these family members that her feelings were genuine and that these truly have been painful events for her to have to deal with the past few years. The assumption that LisaR only brought up the tragedies in her family in order to gain favor with the other ladies and viewers as opposed to getting the ladies and viewers to see where she was coming from as to why she'd at least want to attempt to address a situation where she sees that Kim has relapsed just doesn't come across as self aggrandizing behavior to me. 

[BlackMamba]

Brandi said something about "confronting" Kim to LisaR when they talked after the podcast. It was Lisa that said "No, we can't do an intervention" to Brandi's suggestion and then Brandi asked if LisaR could do a "group intervention" so that Kim would not feel singled out. Brandi's use of the word "confronting" is meant to mean the same as an "intervention" IMO. There was no mistaking her intent or her meaning and it was Lisa that said no, not Brandi because it was Brandi that then suggested a "group" intervention after Lisa's NO.

 

Yes that's how come Kim and Lisa R went at it.  Because Brandi didn't tell her side of the sitdown with Lisa R but she twisted and manipulated the convo to Kim and Lisa R took the bait of Brandi's suggest to the intervention prior at Eileen's.

[WireWrap]

Yes that's how come Kim and Lisa R went at it.  Because Brandi didn't tell her side of the sitdown with Lisa R but she twisted and manipulated the convo to Kim and Lisa R took the bait of Brandi's suggest to the intervention prior at Eileen's.

Brandi didn't tell Kim that she threw Kim under the bus to take the heat off of herself in the first place. And IMO, Brandi told Kim nothing about her part in the conversation she had with LisaR. I am sure she told Kim that Lisa brought her, Kim, into their conversation out of the blue and that she, Brandi, said nothing, nothing at all! Typical Brandi move, smoke and mirrors all the way!

[Wings]

Wings707, did you miss the part where Eileen shared about the deaths of her sisters and niece? 

 

I understand that the women on this show are interested in fame and money to varying degrees but I still see them as human beings with actual feelings so I'm inclined to think that when Eileen talked about the deaths of these family members that her feelings were genuine and that these truly have been painful events for her to have to deal with the past few years. The assumption that LisaR only brought up the tragedies in her family in order to gain favor with the other ladies and viewers as opposed to getting the ladies and viewers to see where she was coming from as to why she'd at least want to attempt to address a situation where she sees that Kim has relapsed just doesn't come across as self aggrandizing behavior to me. 

 

I did see that.  They had genuine losses in their lives and the retelling was sincere.  I am being harsh now, I know.  But, I did not see a genuine concern for Kim.  I saw it more as a way to present their sad history so everyone, including viewers, could see them as sympathetic, caring individuals.   LisaR and Eileen are actors and very aware of how they are viewed.  It is their job to protect their image and career.  I have a hard time believing that this is not front and center in their minds when on camera.  It is in their hard wiring.  There is no reason to sign on and do the show without this agenda.  Neither need the money.  

Edited March 16, 2015 by wings707

[MatildaMoody]

Brandi has more than enough to answer for but she was not the one who said Kim needed an intervention. LisaR said it and Brandi said "we all need an intervention." Kyle wasn't there so she had to hear about it from LisaR which makes me wonder if LisaR lied and told Kyle it was Brandi or if Kyle misrepresented what LisaR told her.

ETA: LisaR has said it more than once too. She said it to LisaV in the car and I don't remember the other times.....maybe it was to Kyle and/or Eileen.

WireWrap already responded, but yeah. Brandi suggested it and LisaR vetoed it as not being her place. Then, Brandi asked LisaR if she would at least talk to Kyle about Kim. Her reasoning was that Kim would kill her and herself if Brandi said anything. And she followed that up by saying that she (Brandi) couldn't talk to Kyle - most likely because Kyle would then be well aware that Brandi was talking about Kim's issues.

 

LisaR then went to the rest of the women to feel them out and "ask permission" to talk to Kim about whether or not she knew she had support systems in place. I suspect that Brandi also went to Yolanda with the same line and that is part of why Yolanda brought it up in Amsterdam. Yes, she probably also wanted to see if what Brandi said about Bella being an alcoholic was making the rounds in the HW gossip, but i would bet anything that she thought this would be a good opportunity to address the things that BRANDI was bringing to everyone's attention, whether it be Bella's DUI or Kim's relapse. 

 

So I am glad that Kyle is finally telling Kim what her BFF has been saying to everyone else. 

[DebbieM4]

How strange, that Brandi a woman who has never failed to talk about the pain and tragady her husband's affairs/cheating created. Has thrown this out a few times, to the other women. One would think she would be aware how hurtful that would be.

This is one of the many reasons, I don't think down deep Brandi is a good person, or what ever she tries to claim.

She is only nice and sweet when she want something.

While I think she does like Yo, I think she realized Yo is not much help to her on the show any more. We see her frustration at Yo's advice. Much like last season with Lisa V.

 

 

Oh yes, I'm sure she's well aware of how hurtful that can be.  That's why she says it.  She is so insanely jealous of the other women that she can't see straight.  She wants them to be unhappy, and she apparently has no problem doing whatever she can to upset them.   She doesn't hesitate to lash out however she wants to and whenever she wants to.  She deliberately tries to hurt - over and over and over again.  Never with remorse, always with excuses.

 

She's not a nice person.  I never once thought anything she did was nice.  She's mean, she's immature, and she's unrelenting.  Not a good combination.

[Avaleigh]

I'm so glad that Bravo didn't hide the fact that Brandi instigated the intervention because if it hadn't been for that scene with Brandi and LisaR it would be much harder to piece together that Brandi has been behind a lot of this mess. 

 

Brandi seems both defiant and defeated in the scene with Yolanda. 

 

I did see that.  They had genuine losses in their lives and the retelling was sincere.  I am being harsh now, I know.  But, I did not see a genuine concern for Kim.  I saw it more as a way to present their sad history so everyone, including viewers, could see them as sympathetic, caring individuals.   LisaR and Eileen are actors and very aware of how they are viewed.  It is their job to protect their image and career.  I have a hard time believing that this is not front and center in their minds when a on camera.  It is in their hard wiring.  There is no reason to sign on and do this show without this agenda.  Neither need the money.  

I thought Eileen showed genuine concern for Kim. Not only did Eileen sincerely try to give Kim a different perspective as far as why she should try to patch things up with Kyle but Eileen refrained from judging Kim harshly when Kim made an ass out of herself at her home. Talk about turning the other cheek. Kim was repeatedly out of line that evening and she was rude to both of her hosts but Eileen let it go. Afterwards she only showed concern about Kim. She was hesitant to assume anything, she still invited her to the script reading, and she seemed like she felt bad that Kim was in such a bad place. Fast-forward to the dinner from hell in Amsterdam and when Eileen tells Kim that she did nothing to her, Kim literally can't think of any examples where Eileen has done something bad to her so she has to go and insult Eileen's physical appearance. Now that we're in Amsterdam it's easy to see why most of the women (and viewers) are over Kim and her antics.

 

I actually think that LisaR showed concern for Kim too. Just because Kim wanted to pretend that LisaR hadn't witnessed anything serious doesn't mean that LisaR's concern wasn't genuine IMO. I understand that you think LisaR is all about camera time--I think that's a given that they all want camera time or else they wouldn't be doing the show. If I simply take something like the car ride I would definitely say that I think LisaR looked concerned for Kim while it was going on. 

[AnnA]

I'm surprised that I seem to have gotten the LisaR and Brandi lunch discussion so wrong.  I don't have it on my DVR and wouldn't want to waste my time by watching the whole thing on demand again, so I'll take everyone's word that Brandi started the intervention conversation but I just don't remember it that way.

 

ETA:  But LisaR definitely said it to LisaV and to Kyle or Eileen.

Edited March 17, 2015 by AnnA

[MatildaMoody]

I'm surprised that I seem to have gotten the LisaR and Brandi lunch discussion so wrong.  I don't have it on my DVR and wouldn't want to waste my time by watching the whole thing on demand again, so I'll take everyone's word that Brandi started the intervention conversation but I just don't remember it that way.

 

ETA:  But LisaR definitely said it to LisaV and to Kyle or Eileen.

But, Lisa never told the other women that she wanted to do an intervention. She talked to them about the best way to approach Kim because there was obviously something off and she was concerned. She then talked directly to Kim and told her that she had support if she needed it because Kim was talking about all she had to deal with and how overwhelming it was. I believe that would have been the end of it since both Eileen and LisaR said their peace in Eileen's kitchen. Then, Brandi told Kim about the conversation she had with LisaR, leaving out the fact that it was Brandi that said that Kim doing worse than anyone knew and that she was the one who suggested the women all confront Kim but do it in a way so that Kim didn't feel ganged up on.

 

You have to hand it to Brandi. The way she was able to wind Kim up just before they all got on a plane to fly overseas so that there would be no escaping the tension.

Edited March 17, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[hypnotoad]

 

But LisaR definitely said it to LisaV and to Kyle or Eileen.

 

Yep, Lisa R brought it up to the other women, but Brandi was the one who started that convo with Lisa R. She was deflecting like madpants because Lisa R was there to talk to Brandi about her bad behavior so she kicked her BFF Kim under the bus!

[WireWrap]

I'm surprised that I seem to have gotten the LisaR and Brandi lunch discussion so wrong.  I don't have it on my DVR and wouldn't want to waste my time by watching the whole thing on demand again, so I'll take everyone's word that Brandi started the intervention conversation but I just don't remember it that way.

 

ETA:  But LisaR definitely said it to LisaV and to Kyle or Eileen.

Yes, LisaR talked to the other HW's but IMO, she only did so after Brandi said that Kim "is worse than anyone knows", that Kim "would kill herself" if she thought Brandi said anything, that Kim was using a "patch for her hernia pain" and after Brandi suggested confronting her, that LisaR talk to Kyle and relay all that information and that LisaR stage a "group intervention" because Brandi was "really concerned about Kim". In other words, Brandi wound up LisaR as far as she could, heightening her concerns/fear for Kim's well being then told Kim it was all LisaR and finally sat back and waited for the explosion.

Edited March 17, 2015 by WireWrap

[zoeysmom]

I did see that.  They had genuine losses in their lives and the retelling was sincere.  I am being harsh now, I know.  But, I did not see a genuine concern for Kim.  I saw it more as a way to present their sad history so everyone, including viewers, could see them as sympathetic, caring individuals.   LisaR and Eileen are actors and very aware of how they are viewed.  It is their job to protect their image and career.  I have a hard time believing that this is not front and center in their minds when on camera.  It is in their hard wiring.  There is no reason to sign on and do the show without this agenda.  Neither need the money.  

Well most actors will tell you they need to keep working. I think Rinna and HH have quite a few expenses ahead of them in the future with college for two daughters and of course ancient HH's assisted living expense in the not too distant future.   I think to err on the side of peaceful maybe, just maybe, Eileen wanted these sister co-workers to get along to make the time she had to spend around the two of them easier.  I would get tired of the bullshit.

[Higgins]

Eileen said it best.  They all want the good stuff shown and will only expose the bad if they think they're cutting off the Truth Cannon at the pass.  The attention:  they want it until they don't. 

They all get it at some point. Next season it will be someone else's shit hitting the fan.

[racked]

Do Yolanda and Kim not mind being called "menopause momma's"? Brandi said "five menopause momma's" in the first look, so she had to be including either Kim or Yolanda in there. It's really atrocious that someone so close to menopause herself feels the need to degrade the worth of women currently going through it. How will she cope when it's her turn?

It does seem like Yo is turning on her and she's panicking.

[zoeysmom]

Do Yolanda and Kim not mind being called "menopause momma's"? Brandi said "five menopause momma's" in the first look, so she had to be including either Kim or Yolanda in there. It's really atrocious that someone so close to menopause herself feels the need to degrade the worth of women currently going through it. How will she cope when it's her turn?

It does seem like Yo is turning on her and she's panicking.

Well I think it would include both Kim and Yolanda as Kyle is younger than both of them.  To me, it is yet another gross and derogatory "label" Brandi puts on her co-stars to secure some false eternal youth.

[motorcitymom65]

Well I think it would include both Kim and Yolanda as Kyle is younger than both of them.  To me, it is yet another gross and derogatory "label" Brandi puts on her co-stars to secure some false eternal youth.

It is my hope that the other gals hammer away at Brandi at the reunion for the age-shaming she has done this year. If I were Brandi, and I had access to a mirror, the last thing in the world I would want to do is to call attention to the fact that these ladies are older than I am. All of them, save for Kim, look better than Brandi does IMO. 

 

In the scene for the next episode where she is dining with that 23 year old ugly guy - who I guess has a beautiful cock if Brandi is to be believed - she just looks terrible.

I cannot believe how lovely I use to think Brandi was. Even when I detested her, I thought she was lovely.

 

Maybe AnnA could work her magic and give us an image of the original Brandi - say the gal from the first Game Night (just because I thought she was especially pretty that night, even in her anger), and an image of the new Brandi. That might prove interesting. 

Edited March 17, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[AnnA]

 

I cannot believe how lovely I use to think Brandi was. Even when I detested her, I thought she was lovely.

 

Maybe AnnA could work her magic and give us an image of the original Brandi 

 

I didn't have the heart to do a side by side comparison because I'd hate it if someone did that to me.

 

A picture of game night would be hard to find but I did find one of Brandi with her crutches and you're right - she was looking good.  The botox, fillers and too much partying took its toll on Brandi.

 

Edited March 17, 2015 by AnnA

[Satchels of gold]

In Brandi's th about the slap, she says she took the joke too far (so far so good) then adds " which Lisa v has done many, many times before "(fail). I wonder if she's going to demand an apology from Lisa? She can certainly tie herself into a pretzel to avoid any responsibility for her actions.