S05.E16: Amster-Damn

[beaker73]

If saying the words "I'm sorry" and "I apologize" isn't considered an apology, then I've been doing it wrong all these years.

[talula]

FYI At least 10 out of 19 shows discussed Kim's sobriety or lack of it. A little more than half the season centered on alcohol and drug theme.  That's a lot of time to spend on something no one here enjoys!

 

 

Season 5

 

RHOBH Episodes

87 5-01 18/Nov/14 Guess Who's Coming to the White Party? (90 min)
88 5-02 25/Nov/14 Who Stalked J.R.?
89 5-03 02/Dec/14 Pay Attention to Me!
90 5-04 09/Dec/14 Livin' la Vida Housewife
91 5-05 16/Dec/14 Star Sighting
92 5-06 23/Dec/14 Medford, 90210
93 5-07 30/Dec/14 Breaking Branches
94 5-08 06/Jan/15 Winning and Dining
95 5-09 13/Jan/15 Live and Learn
96 5-10 20/Jan/15 House of Cards
97 5-11 27/Jan/15 It's Just a Scratch
98 5-12 03/Feb/15 Drama Queens
99 5-13 10/Feb/15 Sister Act
100 5-14 17/Feb/15 Surprise!
101 5-15 24/Feb/15 Welcome to Amsterdam?
102 5-16 03/Mar/15 Amster-Damn!
103 5-17 10/Mar/15 Amster-damn Slap
104 5-18 17/Mar/15 Confessions of a Housewife
105 5-19 24/Mar/15 The Party's Over

 

[Rhetorica]

I totally agree with all of this. Basically, we're intrigued with a group of rich, vapid, shallow women who are more concerned about which accessories to wear to a luncheon than what's happening in the real world. It's a different life arena they reside it, and that's why we watch them. It's almost like going to a zoo to see exotic animals that you we don't see walking the street where we live, or work where we work, or shop where we shop. They're all self-consumed creatures that wouldn't survive a night without falling to sleep planning their next shopping trip to Rodeo Drive, or wondering what color flowers to adorn their luncheon table with. We wonder how we'll afford to pay to have a root canal on a painful tooth and they think nothing of spending thousands to rearrange their lips.

The bottom line here, and the real fact is that we want to see them fail at something. We to see something green stuck on their teeth. We feel good when one of them runs around doing a Rodeo Drive scavenger hunt and gets perspiration stains under her arms. We want to know they breath the same air, unscented, and have the same dry heels.We want to know they're the same damned race anyway, human.

I agree with the first paragraph. But the second had me questioning why I watch. I don't want them to fail but I do want them to realize the vast majority of the world is different from them and that their problems are miniscule in comparison. I began watching RHONY while recovering from surgery and was so surprised to see woman act that way that I went online to find fellow viewers. I think this is the only reason I watch now. For forum snark.

[Avaleigh]

If Bravo wants to bring Kim back next season it should be for one reason and one reason only.......to make Lisar and her issues Kim's storyline.

 

Kim should be shown constantly discussing Lisar's  anger management issues and violent tendencies with the other HWs, bringing it up each and every episode, suggesting Lisar get therapy for her issues, asking Lisar which program she is enrolled in, who her sponsor is, talking about how some of her(Kim's) family members were affected by it, how dealing with Angry individuals is in her(Kim's) DNA........ all stemming from the concern and love Kim feels for Lisar. Of course.

 

Oh, Kim,  don't forget to harp on how you have nothing but the best intentions at heart toward Lisar.

 

 , Bravo. I have tons of other ideas for storylines.

Kim would be quaking in her shoes and afraid to leave the house if she thought that any of the ladies were going to go open season on her. She has way more to lose in a scenario where her issues are genuinely focused on as opposed to a fantasy scenario like the one above where Kim decides to fixate on Lisa's problems. Kim wants to think that LisaR went open season on her this year but it wasn't even close to being anything like that and I don't think Kim understands this at all.

 

Another thing of course that is being ignored in the above scenario is that Kim is a repeat offender when it comes to being obnoxious and inappropriate with the other ladies. There's a reason why every single one of the ladies on this show is concerned about Kim and her behavior even Brandi. This isn't the case with LisaR. Kim's hypothetical concern in the above scenario regarding Lisa's anger management issues would feel ridiculously hypocritical considering Kim's own much more extensive anger management issues. 

 

LisaR doesn't come across as a hypocrite or as though she's being outrageously offensive when she asks Kim about where she's gone to treatment and whether or not she has a sponsor. To me that's one of the things that's so ridiculous about all of this. Kim makes it sound like Lisa was asking her things that would qualify as offensive like "Have you ever done cocaine/(pick-a-drug) or been on it in front of your children?" "What was your personal rock bottom?" "Why would you get high on camera?" "Do you think drugs have damaged your appearance?" "What medication are you on exactly?" "I heard your old boyfriend was your dealer, is that true?" 

 

I don't think Kim appreciates or respects how coddled she is in general and how protected she is and how much worse it could be. People tip toe around her and it's very rare for her to ever get a dose of her own medicine. Kim is frankly lucky to have well paying employers who let her get away with x, y, and z. In addition to that she has a large and supportive family, and no matter how many times she fucks up there's always going to be somebody to help her out of whatever mess she's gotten herself into. 

Edited March 8, 2015 by Avaleigh

[WireWrap]

FYI At least 10 out of 19 shows discussed Kim's sobriety or lack of it. A little more than half the season centered on alcohol and drug theme.  That's a lot of time to spend on something no one here enjoys!

 

 

Season 5

 

RHOBH Episodes

87 5-01 18/Nov/14 Guess Who's Coming to the White Party? (90 min)

88 5-02 25/Nov/14 Who Stalked J.R.?

89 5-03 02/Dec/14 Pay Attention to Me!

90 5-04 09/Dec/14 Livin' la Vida Housewife

91 5-05 16/Dec/14 Star Sighting

92 5-06 23/Dec/14 Medford, 90210

93 5-07 30/Dec/14 Breaking Branches

94 5-08 06/Jan/15 Winning and Dining

95 5-09 13/Jan/15 Live and Learn

96 5-10 20/Jan/15 House of Cards

97 5-11 27/Jan/15 It's Just a Scratch

98 5-12 03/Feb/15 Drama Queens

99 5-13 10/Feb/15 Sister Act

100 5-14 17/Feb/15 Surprise!

101 5-15 24/Feb/15 Welcome to Amsterdam?

102 5-16 03/Mar/15 Amster-Damn!

103 5-17 10/Mar/15 Amster-damn Slap

104 5-18 17/Mar/15 Confessions of a Housewife

105 5-19 24/Mar/15 The Party's Over

That means that half of the season was about Kim's ongoing addiction, not the whole season, although it looks like the talk started in episode 9 or 10! LOL Thanks RTS!

[talula]

That means that half of the season was about Kim's ongoing addiction, not the whole season, although it looks like the talk started in episode 9 or 10! LOL Thanks RTS!

Say what..I never said the whole season, though it seems like it, LOL.  I clearly posted a little more than half..add in two or three reunion shows on top of that.

[BlackMamba]

That means that half of the season was about Kim's ongoing addiction, not the whole season, although it looks like the talk started in episode 9 or 10! LOL Thanks RTS!

Yep no different when Season 2 was centered around Taylor DV and Kim was the subcenter with alcohol abuse; Lisa V's subcenter was focused on Pandora and her upcoming wedding that brought some joy to the season in the midst of all the darkness. IMO season 5 is a big improvement from season 4 but it is missing that "happy" storyline. Edited March 8, 2015 by BlackMamba

[Otherkate]

Thank you, I will.  I caught bits of last season's S.C.  And maybe this summer there was a 'What Happened To'...or somesuch and the girl who had the baby was on with the baby daddy and I was surprised they were still together.  I'll take a look and visit the forum.  It just started, right?

 

Not yet! I think it starts 2 Mondays from now? But there might be a season preview on this Monday, I think.

 

I totally agree with all of this. Basically, we're intrigued with a group of rich, vapid, shallow women who are more concerned about which accessories to wear to a luncheon than what's happening in the real world. It's a different life arena they reside it, and that's why we watch them. It's almost like going to a zoo to see exotic animals that you we don't see walking the street where we live, or work where we work, or shop where we shop. They're all self-consumed creatures that wouldn't survive a night without falling to sleep planning their next shopping trip to Rodeo Drive, or wondering what color flowers to adorn their luncheon table with. We wonder how we'll afford to pay to have a root canal on a painful tooth and they think nothing of spending thousands to rearrange their lips.

 

The bottom line here, and the real fact is that we want to see them fail at something. We to see something green stuck on their teeth. We feel good when one of them runs around doing a Rodeo Drive scavenger hunt and gets perspiration stains under her arms. We want to know they breath the same air, unscented, and have the same dry heels.We want to know they're the same damned race anyway, human.

 

I honestly don't watch for those reasons. I have always enjoyed the Housewife shows because they made me laugh (FAMILY VAN!) and I usually feel some affection or find some bit of likability in all of these broads. BH has been one of my favorites because I found something to like in each of the women, as vapid as they often are and NY is my other favorite because it's my backyard. Last year Brandi (my former fav) lost me with that indefensible shit with Adrienne's kids, plus the fact that I think there's something genuinely broken in her and then Kim has just killed my enjoyment totally this year. I try to still enjoy it the way I always did - silly fun that I can giggle along with on a Tuesday night and chat about with other people the next day, but it's all gotten really dark, gloomy, and just sad and pathetic. If Kim is back next year, I'll likely bow out. I've got a busy life, full time job, and two kids. I don't watch these shows to get depressed. If I want to examine the great questions of life, I've got good scripted tv for that and I can rely on other shows for those reality/wtf is wrong with these people giggles - VPR, Southern Charm, etc. I'm still holding out hope for the NY Housewives this season after seeing the Countess get off some good quotables in the trailer. Here's hoping.

Edited March 8, 2015 by Otherkate

[blueeyed]

Respectfully disagree and here's why.  When Kim said that, I stopped to imagine what it would've been like if Kathy had been there.  We've speculated about how  close Kathy is to Kim.  Closer than Kim and Kyle.  Kathy is a broad.  A dame.  With a gun in her hand she'd be a moll.  We know she's not afraid to talk up or down to anyone. She's also the matriarch of that twisted family.  I don't doubt she would have defended Kim.  Right or wrong.  She would've gone postal on Lisa Rinna and Eileen would not have dared to raise her soap boxy, breathy voice at Kathy.  So I don't think that came from Brandi, at all.  I think it came from years of Kathy standing up for Kim, and probably Kyle, unconditionally.  Little Kathy has become Big Kathy. 

 

Eileen Davidson is an accomplished actress; works on two soap operas with an Emmy.  Why in heavens name would she ever back down from Kathy Hilton, mother of both Paris and Barron Hilton? While the Hiltons have money, I have never gotten the impression the were heavy weights in the Hollywood arena.  I don't believe Eileen or Lisa have anything to fear from the Hiltons. 

[WireWrap]

Say what..I never said the whole season, though it seems like it, LOL.  I clearly posted a little more than half..add in two or three reunion shows on top of that.

No, you did not but you helped me with a post I had just made minutes before, that is why I Thanked You! LOL

[AnnA]

. I think this is the only reason I watch now. For forum snark.

 

Forum snark is truly an art form.  Finding a forum to snark about a TV show is a gift.

 

There's one thing I should have added to my posts about the RH's shows being "technically non-scripted" but following Bravo's lead.  Even though I believe these situations are set up and producers coach cast members about their involvement, role, reactions, etc., I think exactly what these women say is left to them.  The language, phrases, and gestures they make say a lot about who they are and IMHO are all snark-worthy.

[SwordQueen]

 

 

I don't think Kim appreciates or respects how coddled she is in general and how protected she is and how much worse it could be. People tip toe around her and it's very rare for her to ever get a dose of her own medicine. Kim is frankly lucky to have well paying employers who let her get away with x, y, and z. In addition to that she has a large and supportive family, and no matter how many times she fucks up there's always going to be somebody to help her out of whatever mess she's gotten herself into. 

 

This is why I've said before that Kim reminds me of the Veruca Salt character, and Vercua dear got her just desserts in the end, so maybe there's hope that people will stop putting up with Kim's Diva bullshit. 

 

 

I also wanted to give my thoughts on why it was questioned, over and over again, if Kim was working a program and had a sponsor.  The only reason they asked was because her behavior was abhorrent and ass backwards for someone in a 12-step program.  Unless her 12-step program headquarters is located in Bizarro World, that is, because she was doing the opposite of what she should; like asking for apologies instead of giving them, claiming that she’s in total control instead of recognizing her slip, blaming others instead of taking responsibility, etc.  That's why the HW were all "Are you getting help, because bitch, you need it".  It all comes back to Kim's behavior.  When you act all ratchet, people are going to ask what's wrong with you. 

[charming]

 

In similar circumstances my response would be similar to Yo's. I would never even think of asking a friend to walk away from her sibling or say anything that would appear to be putting a wedge between blood sisters.

 

I was brought up to stay with/stand by family........ whatever your internal differences, to always present a united front  in front of outsiders and  to never allow any chinks in the family armor to show. You could come home and beat each other up, yell-fight-kill each other, but you never fight with family in front of the rest of the world. The world must know it cannot divide my family.  

 

It is very difficult for me to understand  when I see these women tell Kyle to distance herself from Kim. And  Kyle not standing up for Kim(however appalling she may be) in the restaurant. Kyle had the right to beat Kim to a pulp once they were alone, but in that restaurant she needed to stand by Kim. What Kim was saying about kyle was wrong, totally. But two wrongs don't make a right either. The only reason I hold kyle to a higher standard is because she is supposed to be wiser/saner of the two.

 

Which is why I also understand Yo's comment to Kyle about "God has a job for each one of us"........

 

 

Just because you're related to someone doesn't mean they're family. How you treat one another is what makes you family. The idea that you have to be loyal to blood relatives no matter how they treat you is not logical, imo. What happens behind closed doors should not be hidden. How many millions of people have been damaged by trying to keep the façade of happiness and unity as chaos ensues behind closed doors. Violence, beatings, alcoholism, drug addiction, molestation, rape, and other assorted secrets that destroys souls. All because you have to create a united front? No. If someone is hurting you, emotionally or physically, you need to protect yourself. The idea that you need to subject yourself to abuse by people who are supposed to protect and love you is very unfair.

 

You could actually say that what you're proposing is exactly how Kim and Kyle were raised. Never publicly acknowledge anything. Lie for each other. It didn't turn out so great. Kathy Hilton can't even control her own racist and drug addicted children. The idea that somehow she's the one to stand up and set everyone straight is laughable.

 

Yolanda can spout whatever nonsense she wants about what people are supposed to do for family. Maybe she should apply that to her own sick Mother.

[breezy424]

The comments of the Hws to Kim/Kyle right after the glass smashing/ potential choke of Kim by Lisar  were very  interesting to me.

It shed some light on the differences in the upbringing/personalities/character of the women. Not sure if it has anything to do with being brought up in U.S. Vs Europe,  but fascinating none the same.

Lisar/Eileen to Kyle:

Lisar: “dont put up with it”

Eileen: (shaking her head).....”I dont know how you do it, Kyle......... it's hard to watch how she treats you.”

Lisar:”it is”

Eileen voiceover: “I feel so sad for Kyle..... Kim treats Kyle in a demeaning way”

Lisar : “Kyle, its abusive and you (should/need to) walk away from it. You are being abused by kim”

Eileen, with tears in her eyes:”the cruelty.....its so cruel”

In contrast, Yo to Kim back at the hotel: “you will always be sisters, look out for each other, and you should, because you are family”...... 

 

 

In similar circumstances my response would be similar to Yo's. I would never even think of asking a friend to walk away from her sibling or say anything that would appear to be putting a wedge between blood sisters.

I was brought up to stay with/stand by family........ whatever your internal differences, to always present a united front  in front of outsiders and  to never allow any chinks in the family armor to show. You could come home and beat each other up, yell-fight-kill each other, but you never fight with family in front of the rest of the world. The world must know it cannot divide my family.  

 

 

And that's exactly how I have brought up my own children. I did not grow up in the U.S. But all my children were born and brought up in the States. I would not be exaggerating an iota when I say this..... my children have NEVER had a fight with each other. They are 2.5,  1.5,  4  and 1 years apart. I cannot remember a single instance when I have had to play referee between them as children. They are all highly successful, productive adults now, and remain very close to each other to this day. In fact, they all live within an hour from each other in New York.

 

It is very difficult for me to understand  when I see these women tell Kyle to distance herself from Kim. And  Kyle not standing up for Kim(however appalling she may be) in the restaurant. Kyle had the right to beat Kim to a pulp once they were alone, but in that restaurant she needed to stand by Kim. What Kim was saying about kyle was wrong, totally. But two wrongs don't make a right either. The only reason I hold kyle to a higher standard is because she is supposed to be wiser/saner of the two.

 

Which is why I also understand Yo's comment to Kyle about "God has a job for each one of us"........

 

 

If, God forbid, Lisar or Eileen were in Kim's shoes, would they have liked being abandoned by their sister in front of her “friends” or co-workers? I don't think so.   Long Post. Sorry. 

I don't think it's a European thing at all.  I think it's about addiction and the behavior of the addict in this instance.  Kyle has defended Kim but it does get to a point that you have to think about yourself and your happiness.  Kyle has stood by 'family' for decades when it comes to Kim.  However, if you're being abused, you have the right to walk away.  And Kim, in my opinion from what I've seen, is abusive to Kyle.

 

In what way could Kyle have defended Kim in this situation?  Yes, Lisa shouldn't have slammed the glass down.  That's the most Kyle could have defended.  As Kyle stated, how can I defend the indefensible?  BTW, I think both Brandi and Kim were exaggerating about the 'flying' glass.  Remember Brandi whining about her 'scratch' at poker night.  Eileen's response was the best.  Put on some Neosporin.

 

I also think Yolanda was very wrong to make those comments to Kyle about God and what Kyle is supposed to do.  Easy for her to say.  But then again, Yolanda thinks that divorce is the worst thing that could happen to woman...or did she say mother?  Proof positive this is a woman who lives in a bubble.   

[GreatKazu]

Lisa has been referring to Kim's medical disorder all season. Every single show. Even after being asked to stop several times. What was going to make her stop?

Not every single episode. Just the same episodes in which Brandi also talked about Kim's issues.

What was going to make LisaR stop? The same thing that made Brandi stop. Oh...wait...that did not happen.

[hypnotoad]

 

I would never even think of asking a friend to walk away from her sibling or say anything that would appear to be putting a wedge between blood sisters.

 

You mean like Brandi has been doing to Kim and Kyle most of this season?

 

Generally speaking, no I would not encourage a friend to walk away from a sibling (or any other family member) but this situation is far from normal. Kim is abusive and manipulative with Kyle. Should Kyle handle it better? Yep after all these years one would think she'd have learned some better skills when dealing with junkie Kim.

 

Kim sitting there and verbally abusing Kyle at that dinner was ridiculous. Kim's dog bit Kyle's daughter and I bet somehow Kim blamed Kyle for that too. I wouldn't blame Kyle for needing a break. Hell, I need a break from Kim and this is only the first season I've watched this show!

 

 

Kim makes it sound like Lisa was asking her things that would qualify as offensive like "Have you ever done cocaine/(pick-a-drug) or been on it in front of your children?" "What was your personal rock bottom?" "Why would you get high on camera?" "Do you think drugs have damaged your appearance?" "What medication are you on exactly?" "I heard your old boyfriend was your dealer, is that true?"

 

Right? Kim and her bleating Lisa R 'is telling lies about me' was hilarious. What lies? I didn't hear Lisa R accuse Kim of using crack or something. Sorry but Kim is the one who brought that entire thing upon herself. Don't want others to discuss your alleged sobriety? Don't appear on camera after having taken a pill (ha yeah right one pill). I knew the moment we saw her in the limo, she was messed up. Also? She probably shouldn't have admitted to taking the pill/pills on camera.

 

Did Lisa R take the questioning and so forth too far? Yes I would say so, but I suspect that was more producer driven than anything else. However, if Kim had an ounce of awareness of anyone other than herself she'd realize these questions are about people being concerned about her not telling lies. Of course, that would take Kim admitting and understanding that taking pain pills not subscribed to her is relapsing.

[hottesthw]

Or, Lipsa provoked it by ONCE AGAIN bringing up Kim's sobriety, something Kim has asked her several times to stop doing, including less than 24 hours before this happened, on the plane trip over.

This time, Kim reacted by bringing up something Lipsa obviously didn't want brought up, and Lipsa attacked, physically, TWICE.

Except that's not what happened. Yolanda started a discussion and passed it off to Lisa who in the end apologized for getting in to Kim's business. She didn't say what business, she didn't bring up Kim's confirmed relapse, she just threw out a general apology. And Kim responded like the asshole that she is.

[film noire]

 

whatever your internal differences, to always present a united front  in front of outsiders and  to never allow any chinks in the family armor to show.

 

In a healthy family (like yours -- congrats, btw!) that can create a  wonderful bond; in a sick family (like Kim and Kyle's)

it creates a living hell –  that’s why in rehab, family members are often asked to come and break the "family armor" to

bits, to tell the truth and save the life of the addict, and life of the family as a healthy unit. And if family members insist

on being suppressed and unsupportive and toxic,  it’s also why you have to walk away. Nobody has the right to

use you as a spiritual slave and emotional whore.

If I was Kim when Lisar shared the story about her sister dying from an overdose and then stared at me and said "sorry I got in your business"...I would have smiled and told her she should stay out of my business and instead save her alcoholic and overdose fears for her own family, thank you.

If I were Kim I would've said “Thank you for apologizing, and for helping me understand why you kept bringing it up. We

can put it to bed, now.” Moving on, end of story, everybody hugs, Kim looks like  hero – but Kim is nowhere near sober,

so that was never going to happen.

I don't think Kim appreciates or respects how coddled she is in general and how protected she

is and how much worse it could be.

 

She’s never hit bottom (despite wandering around a hotel hallway w/o her pants on, or on her hands and knees, all

but sucking a hotel carpet in search of drugs) because there’s always been an enabler to fix it, smooth it, make

it go away, or lose it in editing; they've done her no favors, retarding her recovery by half a decade.

Edited March 8, 2015 by film noire

[SwordQueen]

In a healthy family (like yours -- congrats, btw!) that can create a  wonderful bond; in a sick family (like Kim and Kyle's)

it creates a living hell –  that’s why in rehab, family members are often asked to come and break the "family armor" to

bits, to tell the truth and save the life of the addict, and life of the family as a healthy unit. And if family members insist

on being suppressed and unsupportive and toxic,  it’s also why you have to walk away. Nobody has the right to

use you as a spiritual slave and emotional whore.

 

If I were Kim I would've said “Thank you for apologizing, and for helping me understand why you kept bringing it up. We

can put it to bed, now.” Moving on, end of story, everybody hugs, Kim looks like  hero – but Kim is nowhere near sober,

so that was never going to happen.

 

She’s never hit bottom (despite wandering around a hotel hallway w/o her pants on, or on her hands and knees, all

but sucking a hotel carpet in search of drugs) because there’s always been an enabler to fix it, smooth it, make

it go away, or lose it in editing; they've done her no favors, retarding her recovery by half a decade.

 

Thank you, and charming and everyone who posted after, for your posts about families. All families are different and people have the right to not have relationships with their family members, for whatever reason, really.  And especially when there's abuse in the family.  It's extremely unwise and unhealthy to pressure someone to keep in contact with family who are abusive or even just dysfunctional.  Sometimes the only way to end the cycle of abuse is to cut off contact, for periods of time, or permanently.  Being forced to keep secrets and being forced into silence is what drives some people to self-medicating and self-harm.  The last thing Kyle needs to hear, again, is that she hasn't been a good sister to Kim.  Kyle has the right to create a peaceful, happy, successful life for herself.  Her happiness should not be diminished or denied because Kim can't or won't be happy.  Kim's happiness can only come from Kim. 

 

I so agree with your second paragraph.  Kim could have looked like the bigger person, in all of this, had she accepted Lisa's apology and asked for forgiveness for her own behavior.  Then it would have been over.  And message boards all over the internet wouldn't be talking about what a nasty piece of work Kim is, but, instead, how well she was able to smooth things over and still get her message across that she doesn't want to discuss her sobriety with anyone on the show.  But, that didn't happen, so here we are.  lol 

 

One reason I wish she'd suck it up (her ego, not her drugs) is because if and when Monty does pass, it might send her into a tailspin that she won't be able to survive.  If she gets sober, into a program and builds a community of support, then there's a greater chance that she'll be ok when that time does come.  Kim's addict brain tells her that people want her to go to therapy/rehab to punish and humiliate her.  They really just want her to not die.  It's not easy to see that though when you're overly focused on your illness and you're illness is talking louder than everyone else. 

[zoeysmom]

The comments of the Hws to Kim/Kyle right after the glass smashing/ potential choke of Kim by Lisar  were very  interesting to me.

It shed some light on the differences in the upbringing/personalities/character of the women. Not sure if it has anything to do with being brought up in U.S. Vs Europe,  but fascinating none the same.

Lisar/Eileen to Kyle:

Lisar: “dont put up with it”

Eileen: (shaking her head).....”I dont know how you do it, Kyle......... it's hard to watch how she treats you.”

Lisar:”it is”

Eileen voiceover: “I feel so sad for Kyle..... Kim treats Kyle in a demeaning way”

Lisar : “Kyle, its abusive and you (should/need to) walk away from it. You are being abused by kim”

Eileen, with tears in her eyes:”the cruelty.....its so cruel”

In contrast, Yo to Kim back at the hotel: “you will always be sisters, look out for each other, and you should, because you are family”...... 

 

 

In similar circumstances my response would be similar to Yo's. I would never even think of asking a friend to walk away from her sibling or say anything that would appear to be putting a wedge between blood sisters.

I was brought up to stay with/stand by family........ whatever your internal differences, to always present a united front  in front of outsiders and  to never allow any chinks in the family armor to show. You could come home and beat each other up, yell-fight-kill each other, but you never fight with family in front of the rest of the world. The world must know it cannot divide my family.  

 

 

And that's exactly how I have brought up my own children. I did not grow up in the U.S. But all my children were born and brought up in the States. I would not be exaggerating an iota when I say this..... my children have NEVER had a fight with each other. They are 2.5,  1.5,  4  and 1 years apart. I cannot remember a single instance when I have had to play referee between them as children. They are all highly successful, productive adults now, and remain very close to each other to this day. In fact, they all live within an hour from each other in New York.

 

It is very difficult for me to understand  when I see these women tell Kyle to distance herself from Kim. And  Kyle not standing up for Kim(however appalling she may be) in the restaurant. Kyle had the right to beat Kim to a pulp once they were alone, but in that restaurant she needed to stand by Kim. What Kim was saying about kyle was wrong, totally. But two wrongs don't make a right either. The only reason I hold kyle to a higher standard is because she is supposed to be wiser/saner of the two.

 

Which is why I also understand Yo's comment to Kyle about "God has a job for each one of us"........

 

 

If, God forbid, Lisar or Eileen were in Kim's shoes, would they have liked being abandoned by their sister in front of her “friends” or co-workers? I don't think so.   Long Post. Sorry. 

Kyle asked Kim to stand with her instead of Brandi and she asked that Kim not allow Brandi to come between them and Kim chose Brandi.  So Yolanda's words fell  on deaf ears.  Obviously Kim made her choice and she chose Brandi over Kyle and there is nothing Kyle can do about it. 

[BlackMamba]

When production tells her to stop. I know a lot of people say this is Lisar's only storyline. Well guess what? It is Kim's only storyline. It has always been her only storyline. It is the subtext to every interaction she has had on the show. Otherwise it is chicken salad and turtles.

Right! In the words of her trashbox friend Brandi from ages ago "You made it the world's business." You wanted the attention now you got it! Kim is this season's storyline because she made it that way. It's just so happens LisaR didn't sit back and write it off as some one small slip. Same can be said for when Kim allowed Brandi to insert herself between she/Kyle's fucked up relationship. Kim gave her castmates this storyline. If she didn't want this as a storyline she should had owned her bullshit from the top. Instead of being indenial, lying and being passive aggressive since her "one pill" lame excuse that it didn't agree with her and still swearing shes three years sob on top of that!

I disagree, Kathy left Kim high and dry for Kimberly's graduation party last season. I think Kathy is only available when it is convenient for her, not when Kim needs her. IMO, Brandi is reinforcing the Kathy/Kim relationship for herself, not because Kathy is there all that much for Kim. Brandi wants to hurt Kyle and is using Kim, Kim wants to hurt Kyle and is using Brandi. And both Kim and Brandi are enjoying the pain they are causing anyone close to Kyle and LisaR/Eileen are easy targets as they are fresh meat.

Thats why it was interesting as hell seeing in the lost clip after the gay mixer Brandi asked Kim about Kathy/Kim's relationship then we get to this episode and Kim spills her good sister/bad sister to Kyle! Again Brandi gave Kim the assist and Kim was happy to use that to hurt Kyle.

Just because you're related to someone doesn't mean they're family. How you treat one another is what makes you family. The idea that you have to be loyal to blood relatives no matter how they treat you is not logical, imo.

Agreed Kim basically said that when it comes to her relationship with Kathy and Kyle whos more important to her. Kathy is not only her blood but that's where her loyalties lie. Kyle might be blood but she doesnt measure up to Kathy in Kim's book. Edited March 8, 2015 by BlackMamba

[tippytoes1]

*Biggest ACTING moment (so far) this season goes to KYLE RICHARDS, clearly pretending to be "second-hand stoned" at the pot shop in Amsterdam.  

 

Brandi's "truth cannon" offensive about prior smoking  is only relevant for a viewer who believed Kyle was somehow impaired by her mere presence in the pot cafe.  LOL.  THEN, as a back up, Kyle added that she didn't want her kids watching.  Kyle is a terrible actress.  Maybe she should have led with that excuse instead of the terrible "second hand" stuff???

 

Anyone, anyone---who believed Kyle had second hand contact high?   LOLOLOL.

 

Why wasn't anyone else complaining of second hand smoke (smoke we couldn't see?)  Shouldn't Kyle have simply left the establishment that caused her contact high---one that legally sells pot, especially since we now have heard that SHE has smoked (with Brandi, of all people)?  

 

I hate that Brandi outed her, but I think Kyle deserved being outed as much as folks here claim Kim DESERVED being outed by Lisa Rinna for the limo ride.

 

(Thankfully, I now know outing is COOL when your co worker is disingenuous!!  Thanks Lisar and Eileen fans!!!)

 

Kyle does so much pearl clutching, especially for a willing participant in a reality show!  Way before Brandi outed Kyle, I know I found Kyle disingenuous.  Production must have agreed because they showed so much of her nonsense in Amsterdam.

 

(The asterisk means ACTING doesn't include Lisa Rinna ACTING enthusiastic and helpful, for her paycheck OR Eileen, who believes she is playing a soap star on RHoBH---ignore those somewhat professional, if way overacted, skills and Kyle wins--hands down)

[mbutterfly]

I've become more cynical about Hollywood since watching this show.  As a result, I have a sneaky little feeling that I can't get rid of.  Please indulge me in my suspicion.  What have we read about Lisa Lips since she joined the show?  Not much, right?  All I've really read that would make her stand out from the rest is that she and Eileen are the two new HWs.  Now, let's say that after a few weeks, Lisa becomes impatient over being only one of seven, so she devises a way to get her name in print and videos 'round the world.  She waits for her argument with Kim and smashes a glass.  Simple!  She's featured all over the internet and the front pages of newspapers from here to London and further.  If the world thought it had seen it all when Teresa flipped a table (RHONJ), they hadn't seen nothin' yet!  If we doubt that people are talking, look at us!  lol  This could be the most masterful piece of PR that we've seen in a long time, and we fall for it because it's a so-called "reality show."  In the same way that Brandi has used insufferable language and near-nudity and dirty-tricking, so has Lisa Lips planted herself squarely on the map.  After all is said and done, Lisa Lips is an actress with, I presume, the mentality and drive of every other actress.

Not cynical to me. I think that's what happened. Production may have been in on it. It may have been a prop glass. 

[Nanny pants]

Did Lisa R. bring up Kim's sobriety at the table just prior to Kim losing her temper? I didn't think she did? I thought Yolanda started the conversation by speaking about Bella's DUI incident, how it was a terrible mistake and how it affected her. Then Lisa R. talked about her older sister overdosing when Lisa R. was a child and how she processed it. She never mentioned Kim, did she? I thought Kim got upset because she took Lisa R.'s comments as being about her in a back handed way. But I should probably watch the episode again.

[motorcitymom65]

We may not figure out what Kyle was saying. One thing you can see in that clip is Lisa's hand never actually choked Kim.

I thought she said "stop it Kim". 

[Satchels of gold]

If Bravo wants to bring Kim back next season it should be for one reason and one reason only.......to make Lisar and her issues Kim's storyline.

 

Kim should be shown constantly discussing Lisar's  anger management issues and violent tendencies with the other HWs, bringing it up each and every episode, suggesting Lisar get therapy for her issues, asking Lisar which program she is enrolled in, who her sponsor is, talking about how some of her(Kim's) family members were affected by it, how dealing with Angry individuals is in her(Kim's) DNA........ all stemming from the concern and love Kim feels for Lisar. Of course.

 

Oh, Kim,  don't forget to harp on how you have nothing but the best intentions at heart toward Lisar.

 

 , Bravo. I have tons of other ideas for storylines.

I would be fine with this provided Lisa looses her shit multiple times then refuses to acknowledge it ever happened. I would also like Lisa's BFF to state that her anger is worse then anyone knows and a real burden.

[jinjer]

Kyle asked Kim to stand with her instead of Brandi and she asked that Kim not allow Brandi to come between them and Kim chose Brandi.  So Yolanda's words fell  on deaf ears.  Obviously Kim made her choice and she chose Brandi over Kyle and there is nothing Kyle can do about it. 

 

 

Lisar/Eileen to Kyle:

Lisar: “dont put up with it”

Eileen: (shaking her head).....”I dont know how you do it, Kyle......... it's hard to watch how she treats you.”

Lisar:”it is”

Eileen voiceover: “I feel so sad for Kyle..... Kim treats Kyle in a demeaning way”

Lisar : “Kyle, its abusive and you (should/need to) walk away from it. You are being abused by kim”

Eileen, with tears in her eyes:”the cruelty.....its so cruel”

Kim and Kyle are so dysfunctional.  There are two sides to every coin.  Kyle isn't the addict, so it is much easier to side with her. But her me, myself, and I narrative speaks to a whole lot of problems that are hers and can't be good for her relationship with Kim.  Eileen's words make me sick. She's pissed at Kim, she's known Kyle for all of 5 minutes and IMO is using her anger(embarrassment) at being called a beast to strike out at Kim in the guise of sympathy for Kyle.  At least Lisa Freaking Rinna has known Kyle and her struggles with Kim for 20 years or whatever.  Eileen's doing exactly what Brandi is being accused of.

Edited March 8, 2015 by jinjer

[Lizzing]

Nanny pants (btws, love the screen name!), that's how I took it too. Kim was keyed up to react at anything.  If I were at that dinner and said, "Oh, my dog was so sweet today to the FedEx guy", Kim would have likely jumped down my throat saying "KINGSLY DIDN'T BITE ANYONE!  YOU ARE A BEAST!  I HATE YOUR HAIR"  But I'd have just laughed at her.  My dogs are crazy and I need a hair cut/color.  These women need to learn the dismissive power of a good laugh.  Wipe a tear from laughing, not crying. Go full on "What's the frequency, Kenneth" on the antagonist.

 

I still want to know what the insides of that 1700's windmill looks like.  Epic fail on real estate porn, show!

[motorcitymom65]

That means that half of the season was about Kim's ongoing addiction, not the whole season, although it looks like the talk started in episode 9 or 10! LOL Thanks RTS!

Yes, I loved seeing the list of episodes because it reminded me that there was a lot of other stuff this season. I have heard over and over again that the "entire" season has been about Kim and her addiction.  Like someone else mentioned earlier up-thread, there has been other stuff that we have seen this year that has been fun. It reminds me of last season. I kept hearing that the whole season was about all the other ladies "ganging" up on Lisa, when up until 14 (out of 19), most everyone was getting along with Lisa, at least on the show (Brandi had some other stuff to say in her TH interviews).  It wasn't until 15 that we saw things start to go south. Prior to that the season had been about Brandi being a drunk, being mean to Joyce, and the Carlton/Kyle drama. 

 

I have loved some of the friendships that we have seen this year. Lisa and Kyle rekindling their friendship has been wonderful to me because they are both better when they are friends. I have loved the relationship between the two Lisa's, the fact that Yo and Kyle have gotten closer, and I even enjoyed some of the early stuff between Brandi and Kim, because before all of this started I was glad to see Kim have a friend on the show, which she never has. Despite the fact that I don't like either one of them or that their scenes were silly (stalking JR and watching Eddie's reality show), it was IMO good to see that Kim had someone outside of Kyle to film with. The wedding was nice, Yo and Kyle's trip was awesome, and I loved the scene at the Burbank film deal. There has been lots of stuff outside of Kim and her addiction, which she alone is responsible for.

[motorcitymom65]

The comments of the Hws to Kim/Kyle right after the glass smashing/ potential choke of Kim by Lisar  were very  interesting to me.

It shed some light on the differences in the upbringing/personalities/character of the women. Not sure if it has anything to do with being brought up in U.S. Vs Europe,  but fascinating none the same.

Lisar/Eileen to Kyle:

Lisar: “dont put up with it”

Eileen: (shaking her head).....”I dont know how you do it, Kyle......... it's hard to watch how she treats you.”

Lisar:”it is”

Eileen voiceover: “I feel so sad for Kyle..... Kim treats Kyle in a demeaning way”

Lisar : “Kyle, its abusive and you (should/need to) walk away from it. You are being abused by kim”

Eileen, with tears in her eyes:”the cruelty.....its so cruel”

In contrast, Yo to Kim back at the hotel: “you will always be sisters, look out for each other, and you should, because you are family”...... 

 

It is very difficult for me to understand  when I see these women tell Kyle to distance herself from Kim. And  Kyle not standing up for Kim(however appalling she may be) in the restaurant. Kyle had the right to beat Kim to a pulp once they were alone, but in that restaurant she needed to stand by Kim. What Kim was saying about kyle was wrong, totally. But two wrongs don't make a right either. The only reason I hold kyle to a higher standard is because she is supposed to be wiser/saner of the two.

 

Which is why I also understand Yo's comment to Kyle about "God has a job for each one of us"........

 

 

Eileen didn't start out with this narrative that Kim is abusive to Kyle. She began in trying to help them work on their relationship because she was concerned about where they were headed based on her own history. 

 

With regard to the other women telling Kyle to distance herself from Kim, what about what Brandi has been saying to Kim? It became clear at the Poker Game and later at the Gay Mixer, that Brandi has been whispering in Kim's ear that Kyle is no good and doesn't care about her. Isn't Brandi the one who threw out that K&K hate each other, and wasn't Eileen the one to say "that's crazy"? 

 

To me the much better comparison is not between Yo and Eileen, but between Yo and Brandi. Both of them have been around the sisters for a long time. They know the history between the two of them. I strongly disagree with Yo's assertion that this is all "God's plan" and that taking care of Kim for eternity is Kyle's job, but at least she wants them to stay in each other's lives. Brandi on the other hand is the one we first saw pushing to get in the middle of them. 

 

The thing is, at this point in filming, I don't think that Yo understands the role that Brandi has played. I doubt that Brandi has been honest when retelling events to Yo, any more than she has been honest to anyone else about what she has been saying. I wonder what Yo thought when she saw all of this? That while she was encouraging them to work things out and trying to find a solution, Brandi was doing just the opposite.  More than any other year, I really want to hear from Yo at the reunion and hate that she will be there for just a short time. 

[becauseIsaidso]

After much consideration, and having said my piece a time or two about kim's addiction/sobriety/whatever I have come to the conclusion that I don't give a rat's ass if she's drunk/high/using/abusing/sober and/or straight when she is on camera. IMNSHO, underneath it all she is one nasty piece of work who is fully aware of her behaviors and takes pleasure in the damage/pain she can inflict upon others. I don't care how she got that way - many of us have tough/difficult/even horrific experiences as we go through life, and we all have the ability to decide what our reactions will be in many situations (allowing some exception for knee-jerk, spontaneous stuff that can happen in the heat of a sudden catastrophic moment) as well as taking responsibility for what we say and do. That's part of what makes us human.  I want kim gone from the show before she ruins as many other episodes as she's managed to do in this one. I still believe this (and the other HW shows) can provide much entertainment of the house-porn, food-porn, party-porn shits & giggles variety without having to wallow in the dark side or tolerate those who persist in going there.

[ryebread]

Like someone else mentioned earlier up-thread, there has been other stuff that we have seen this year that has been fun.

 

I know!  I wish we could talk about all that other stuff because I just can't analyze Kim anymore.   

 

Another thing I know, is why they needed to bring so much luggage.  I don't think I've seen any of them wear the same pair of shoes or sunglasses, twice!  And I haven't even been paying attention to the purses.  Although I liked Rinna's backpack on the bike ride.

 

In a smaller forum, a challenge to not utter Kim's name after next week's episode would be fun.  What a challenge, right?  I'm sure there will be lots of other things to talk about.  When there's such a huge story line, the little nuances of the show are lost.  Like the camera mounted on LisaV's bike, recording every little bumpity bump on the cobblestone.  As completely sick as I am of her sexual innuendos, the camera, it's angle and her stuttering was funny. 

 

Yolanda's excitement and pronunciation of windmill.  Wind-meal.  Love it.

[talula]

Yes, I loved seeing the list of episodes because it reminded me that there was a lot of other stuff this season.

Thank you, I appreciate your love for seeing a list of episodes.

[ryebread]

Eileen Davidson is an accomplished actress; works on two soap operas with an Emmy.  Why in heavens name would she ever back down from Kathy Hilton, mother of both Paris and Barron Hilton? While the Hiltons have money, I have never gotten the impression the were heavy weights in the Hollywood arena.  I don't believe Eileen or Lisa have anything to fear from the Hiltons. 

Fair enough.  I shouldn't have brought Eileen into why I think Kathy would've stopped that conversation dead in it's tracks and, no matter what, backed Kim.

 

But it is my opinion that Eileen would back down to Kathy.  It has nothing to do with Emmys or accomplishments or cash.  I think that Kathy is a battle ax and a steamroller and has a way bigger mouth than Eileen will ever have.  Though I think Eileen has a confrontational side, Kathy to me just appears like she would stop at nothing to get her point across.  Eileen not so much. 

[beaker73]

Forum snark is truly an art form.  Finding a forum to snark about a TV show is a gift.

 

There's one thing I should have added to my posts about the RH's shows being "technically non-scripted" but following Bravo's lead.  Even though I believe these situations are set up and producers coach cast members about their involvement, role, reactions, etc., I think exactly what these women say is left to them.  The language, phrases, and gestures they make say a lot about who they are and IMHO are all snark-worthy.

 

I agree. My thought is that Bravo put together a rough outline for the dinner (Yo's going to talk about Bella's DUI and ask others to share something) and each of the ladies' production handlers told them the plan and suggested that they think about something they would want to talk about. Kim freaks out be cause she suspects an intervention and is all like, "Kyle, WTF!?!?" Kyle tells her there's no intervention and just be cool if someone addresses it (Kyle says in her blog--"If my sister had handled the situation with Lisa R. the way we had discussed, in a nice, calm manner, I would have supported her."). Brandi even says in her blog that Kim came in like a cold assassin. Maybe Kim even knew that LisaR was planning on apologizing again and she wasn't having it.

 

Did Lisa R. bring up Kim's sobriety at the table just prior to Kim losing her temper? I didn't think she did? I thought Yolanda started the conversation by speaking about Bella's DUI incident, how it was a terrible mistake and how it affected her. Then Lisa R. talked about her older sister overdosing when Lisa R. was a child and how she processed it. She never mentioned Kim, did she? I thought Kim got upset because she took Lisa R.'s comments as being about her in a back handed way. But I should probably watch the episode again.

  

LisaR didn't bring up Kim's sobriety (or lack thereof). She spoke of her sister and explained that's why she had such strong emotions about Kim. She acknowledged that she overstepped her bounds and apologized for getting into Kim's business. The rest you know. ;)

Kim and Kyle are so dysfunctional.  There are two sides to every coin.  Kyle isn't the addict, so it is much easier to side with her. But her me, myself, and I narrative speaks to a whole lot of problems that are hers and can't be good for her relationship with Kim.  Eileen's words make me sick. She's pissed at Kim, she's known Kyle for all of 5 minutes and IMO is using her anger(embarrassment) at being called a beast to strike out at Kim in the guise of sympathy for Kyle.  At least Lisa Freaking Rinna has known Kyle and her struggles with Kim for 20 years or whatever.  Eileen's doing exactly what Brandi is being accused of.

What did Eileen say?

[ryebread]

Eileen didn't start out with this narrative that Kim is abusive to Kyle. She began in trying to help them work on their relationship because she was concerned about where they were headed based on her own history. 

 

I hope Eileen has learned (like Lisa R said she has) to mind her own bizwax.  It's nice and all that she wanted to help - although I do think that there was a-heapin' helpin' of self promotion in that - but it really is none of her business. 

[The Mighty Peanut]

Kim and Kyle are so dysfunctional. There are two sides to every coin. Kyle isn't the addict, so it is much easier to side with her. But her me, myself, and I narrative speaks to a whole lot of problems that are hers and can't be good for her relationship with Kim. Eileen's words make me sick. She's pissed at Kim, she's known Kyle for all of 5 minutes and IMO is using her anger(embarrassment) at being called a beast to strike out at Kim in the guise of sympathy for Kyle. At least Lisa Freaking Rinna has known Kyle and her struggles with Kim for 20 years or whatever. Eileen's doing exactly what Brandi is being accused of.

Excellent point. Planes and yachts are nice, but I Kyle Richards am the best trophy all! Edited March 8, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut

[motorcitymom65]

One of the things that I have found most interesting about this season is the lack of interaction with the menfolk.  This is the first season (outside S1 I believe) where the hubbies haven't gone on the end-of-season vacation. We have also seen very little interaction with them at the events they have been at. Hell, I didn't even realize that Mauricio was at Lisa's birthday party until I saw the pictures on Bravo later. I wonder if that was a conscience decision on the part of Mauricio and Ken specifically to kind of pull back, or if Bravo is just not showing us this? I always enjoyed Ken and Mauricio hanging out together in Paris or last year in PR (before the scandal broke). We still see them in the family scenes, but not much with the groups. 

[talula]

I found this under a list of Amsterdam museums. They should of taken us to the sex, erotic museum, LOL! The torture museum visit was their dinner from hell!

Does anyone remember the museum Kyle and Eileen visited? It seemed they were showing us large Dutch paintings. I wonder who the painter was? The colors were so vibrant.

What would be nice is if the Bravo site would give viewers a detailed Amsterdam schedule of places they visited including a map. I would enjoy that and I believe viewers going to Amsterdam might appreciate the research Yolanda did when planning the itinerary.

Amsterdam Museums

Amsterdam museums are among the main tourist attractions. The Rijksmuseum, Van Gogh Museum, Anne Frank House and the Stedelijk Museum are the most popular choices, but there are many interesting small museums. There are seventy five Amsterdam museums, which attract almost seven million visitors every year. Alongside the wealth of majestic Golden Age paintings, you'll find exciting modern art, press, film, theatre and photography museums and some unique Dutch treats like the Heineken, Ajax Arena Tours and the Houseboat museum. And Amsterdam wouldn't be Amsterdam without the likes of the Sex, Erotic, Hash or Torture museums.

Edited March 8, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[WireWrap]

 

I agree. My thought is that Bravo put together a rough outline for the dinner (Yo's going to talk about Bella's DUI and ask others to share something) and each of the ladies' production handlers told them the plan and suggested that they think about something they would want to talk about. Kim freaks out be cause she suspects an intervention and is all like, "Kyle, WTF!?!?" Kyle tells her there's no intervention and just be cool if someone addresses it (Kyle says in her blog--"If my sister had handled the situation with Lisa R. the way we had discussed, in a nice, calm manner, I would have supported her."). Brandi even says in her blog that Kim came in like a cold assassin. Maybe Kim even knew that LisaR was planning on apologizing again and she wasn't having it.

   

 

I think it is very possible that the women were given a direction for the dinner conversation, sharing personal stories ect. but IMO, Kim and Brandi preplanned Kim's outburst on LisaR down to the attack on HH.

 

I hope Eileen has learned (like Lisa R said she has) to mind her own bizwax.  It's nice and all that she wanted to help - although I do think that there was a-heapin' helpin' of self promotion in that - but it really is none of her business. 

Trying to help sisters mend their relationship is bad how? Does that mean Yolanda was in the wrong as well especially since she had almost no interaction with both sisters at the same time this season?

One of the things that I have found most interesting about this season is the lack of interaction with the menfolk.  This is the first season (outside S1 I believe) where the hubbies haven't gone on the end-of-season vacation. We have also seen very little interaction with them at the events they have been at. Hell, I didn't even realize that Mauricio was at Lisa's birthday party until I saw the pictures on Bravo later. I wonder if that was a conscience decision on the part of Mauricio and Ken specifically to kind of pull back, or if Bravo is just not showing us this? I always enjoyed Ken and Mauricio hanging out together in Paris or last year in PR (before the scandal broke). We still see them in the family scenes, but not much with the groups. 

I think most of the guys are tired of being on the show. I never got the impression that either Ken or even Mauricio were that into being featured on the show as much as they were last season.

[BlackMamba]

I hope Eileen has learned (like Lisa R said she has) to mind her own bizwax. It's nice and all that she wanted to help - although I do think that there was a-heapin' helpin' of self promotion in that - but it really is none of her business.

Disagree. Kim made everyone's business once she acted strange in the car ride to poker night and at poker night and being passive aggressive telling Brandi what Kyle and she spoke about in the bathroom. Again if she would had owned her shit like she claimed she would in previous seasons dealing with her "sobriety" this wouldn't had been a storyline. Kim chose to keep the fucktrain going and not holding herself accountable for her behavior and her "sobriety."

[parisprincess]

We know Kim cannot give apologies but apparently, we all found out last week that Kim cannot accept an apology either.  Apologies mean forgiveness and she doesn't forgive, she harbors resentment and gets even, every chance she can get.

 

This ^^^^

 

I know its hard to think of someone walking away from a sibling, but there is standing by your sister and there is enabling your sister.  We know Kyle loves Kim; she has to in order to have dealt with her addictions for so many years, and I'm sure she would have no problem standing by her if Kim was ever to actually get into a program and follow through with it.  Unfortunately, Kim obviously has never given it a chance, and foolishly thinks she can convince others that she can stay sober when, in fact, she always slips.  Walking away from the situation does sound mean, but sometimes its the best thing you can do for the addict.  Since Kim's idea of being there for her means accepting and enabling her addiction....let's pretend the problem doesn't exist and not talk about it....Kyle is not helping at all by being involved.

 

Kyle isn't my favorite person, but thanks to Big Kathy and Kim, she too is messed up, so I'd really like to see her leave Kim to the people she wants in her life (Kathy and Brandi), go home, circle the wagons, and concentrate on her own family.  Nothing she has done so far has helped Kim, who doesn't want to be helped, and Kim doesn't feel Kyle's there for her anyway, so there comes a time when it IS O.K. to say "I give up" and let the other person either help themselves or not.  

Edited March 8, 2015 by parisprincess

[talula]

One of the things that I have found most interesting about this season is the lack of interaction with the menfolk. This is the first season (outside S1 I believe) where the hubbies haven't gone on the end-of-season vacation. We have also seen very little interaction with them at the events they have been at. Hell, I didn't even realize that Mauricio was at Lisa's birthday party until I saw the pictures on Bravo later. I wonder if that was a conscience decision on the part of Mauricio and Ken specifically to kind of pull back, or if Bravo is just not showing us this? I always enjoyed Ken and Mauricio hanging out together in Paris or last year in PR (before the scandal broke). We still see them in the family scenes, but not much with the groups.

I enjoyed the Paris trip and watching the frienship between Mauricio and Ken. The wives can have disagreements, but the guys are forever together. I remember Ken sticking up for Mauricio's reputation despite LisaV questioning it.

I've enjoyed the cameos of Harry, Vince, Ken, David and Mauricio so far, but hope we see them on a vacation or at a party. I think David is the busiest because his job seems to always include extensive traveling. Since he is the main breadwinner I understand his pressure. It was nice though to see the Babyface dinner. Mauricio is very busy, but at least he's home every night. Ken and LisaV seem to visit their restaurants frequently to keep on top of management. Harry has acting commitments and Vince poker games/shows. Vince also seems involved in a production company.

Edited March 8, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[motorcitymom65]

I enjoyed the Paris trip and watching the frienship between Mauricio and Ken. The wives can have disagreements, but the guys are forever together. I remember Ken sticking up for Mauricio's reputation despite LisaV questioning it.

 

 

Loved the guys in Paris as well.  I remember that it was several episodes after Ken and Mauricio had gotten into it over Brandi and the lawsuit. Ken said something in his TH about how Mauricio was his good friend and that they were able to move past disagreements because they cared about each other. He said that the gals could learn something from them. I remember thinking it was the smartest thing I had ever heard anyone on this show say.  And yea, I loved that he defended Mauricio over the cheating allegations. He said "he is my friend and I believe him". This was also why I never believed Lisa when she said that Ken agreed with her in that Mauricio had only cultivated their friendship for business.  I never believed that Ken would have said that about Mauricio. His feelings might have been hurt, but he knew they had a real friendship. 

[zoeysmom]

Fair enough.  I shouldn't have brought Eileen into why I think Kathy would've stopped that conversation dead in it's tracks and, no matter what, backed Kim.

 

But it is my opinion that Eileen would back down to Kathy.  It has nothing to do with Emmys or accomplishments or cash.  I think that Kathy is a battle ax and a steamroller and has a way bigger mouth than Eileen will ever have.  Though I think Eileen has a confrontational side, Kathy to me just appears like she would stop at nothing to get her point across.  Eileen not so much. 

Here is what was so odd Kim made the comment about her friends and family could attest that in three years had not seen her the way she was when she took the single solitary pain pill before getting into the limo and subsequent behavior at Poker Night.  There was no pause in Kim's monologue and she went right into Lisar asking everybody about her, and where she went to treatment and that is when Lisar said, "we asked you," there was no opportunity for anyone to interject support for Kim, because she then launched into bitter attacks on Lisar, Eileen and Kyle and no one could stop her.  Kathy Hilton has no special power over Kim other than I doubt Kathy would have stood for Kim's initial outburst and maybe shut Kim down.  It is Kim and Kim alone in the Richards sisters trio that feel Kim is oh so picked on.  The last thing Kathy would have done is allowed Kim to attack Kyle publicly-not because Kim is wrong about Kyle not supporting her but because she doesn't want the family to appear at odds.  Come Reunion time it will be all about how Kyle was not supportive because she didn't shut Kim down and allowed her to make an ass out of herself and further alienate half the cast.

 

Kathy would not take Eileen or either of the Lisas on.  When has anybody heard of Kathy Hilton getting into a verbal battle with someone?  She is an arrogant, self-righteous woman who expresses herself poorly-here is an example of Kathy and her sticking up for a family member:  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-05-07/news/0705070460_1_kathy-hilton-paris-hilton-jail  Sound like someone who would go to the mat for Kim?  At this point in the show Kathy has had a pretty front row seat through her friends such as Faye Resnick of what Brandi and Kim have been up to. 

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Here is what was so odd Kim made the comment about her friends and family could attest that in three years had not seen her the way she was when she took the single solitary pain pill before getting into the limo and subsequent behavior at Poker Night. There was no pause in Kim's monologue and she went right into Lisar asking everybody about her, and where she went to treatment and that is when Lisar said, "we asked you," there was no opportunity for anyone to interject support for Kim, because she then launched into bitter attacks on Lisar, Eileen and Kyle and no one could stop her. Kathy Hilton has no special power over Kim other than I doubt Kathy would have stood for Kim's initial outburst and maybe shut Kim down. It is Kim and Kim alone in the Richards sisters trio that feel Kim is oh so picked on. The last thing Kathy would have done is allowed Kim to attack Kyle publicly-not because Kim is wrong about Kyle not supporting her but because she doesn't want the family to appear at odds. Come Reunion time it will be all about how Kyle was not supportive because she didn't shut Kim down and allowed her to make an ass out of herself and further alienate half the cast.

Kathy would not take Eileen or either of the Lisas on. When has anybody heard of Kathy Hilton getting into a verbal battle with someone? She is an arrogant, self-righteous woman who expresses herself poorly-here is an example of Kathy and her sticking up for a family member: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-05-07/news/0705070460_1_kathy-hilton-paris-hilton-jail Sound like someone who would go to the mat for Kim? At this point in the show Kathy has had a pretty front row seat through her friends such as Faye Resnick of what Brandi and Kim have been up to.

Kyle was trying to calm the old wretch down but Kim insisted on continuing her attack even telling Kyle to hush up. Least Kyle was trying.

This and Poker Night Kim has went nut balls crazy towards LisaR-Kyle-Eileen.

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Loved the guys in Paris as well.  I remember that it was several episodes after Ken and Mauricio had gotten into it over Brandi and the lawsuit. Ken said something in his TH about how Mauricio was his good friend and that they were able to move past disagreements because they cared about each other. He said that the gals could learn something from them. I remember thinking it was the smartest thing I had ever heard anyone on this show say.  And yea, I loved that he defended Mauricio over the cheating allegations. He said "he is my friend and I believe him". This was also why I never believed Lisa when she said that Ken agreed with her in that Mauricio had only cultivated their friendship for business.  I never believed that Ken would have said that about Mauricio. His feelings might have been hurt, but he knew they had a real friendship.

Your so right, these guys brought humor and stability to the show. There's not much stability in the episodes we've seen. You can see the real friendship, caring and loyalty they have for each other.

I'd like to view Ken and Maurcio on a couples double date. If Kyle can lighten up with LisaV and not bite her head off (gay mixer).

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LOL, skeered Kyle with her haircape flapping in the wind was some of the funniest shit on this show ever. Just the thought of it is still making me laugh.

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One of the things that I have found most interesting about this season is the lack of interaction with the menfolk. This is the first season (outside S1 I believe) where the hubbies haven't gone on the end-of-season vacation. We have also seen very little interaction with them at the events they have been at. Hell, I didn't even realize that Mauricio was at Lisa's birthday party until I saw the pictures on Bravo later. I wonder if that was a conscience decision on the part of Mauricio and Ken specifically to kind of pull back, or if Bravo is just not showing us this? I always enjoyed Ken and Mauricio hanging out together in Paris or last year in PR (before the scandal broke). We still see them in the family scenes, but not much with the groups.

I think that Ken has been pretty visible this season, he's just been filming more with Lisa and their family.  I think that to some degree he is still smarting over last season so that may affect his demeanor at group events and therefore how much footage of him makes it to air.

 

I think that Mauricio may have pulled back and to the extent that he is present, like Ken, he is doing mostly scenes with his family, and I can't rule out that he is also still smarting over last season.  Anyhoo, my theory about Mauricio is that he may be trying to occupy the space that David Foster now occupies on the show - the busy and successful businessman who occasionally appears to support his wife's presence on a silly reality show.  Despite David saying that show is filled with clowns, I do think that their wives being on the show has benefited David and Mauricio (eta: I don't think that it was a coincidence that the fundraising event he did that was filmed for the show broke the record), but I think that Mauricio, for the purpose of his business image,  may be distancing himself from the "clown" aspect of Real Housewives.

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Trying to help sisters mend their relationship is bad how? Does that mean Yolanda was in the wrong as well especially since she had almost no interaction with both sisters at the same time this season?

 

Yeah, I think Yo should butt out too, but imo, Eileen stepped way out of bounds because she hadn't known the sisters more than a minute.  She, possibly with the help of production planned that luncheon and she knew it was a mistake almost immediately.  I think she saw the writing on the wall but LisaR kept making her feel like it was their moral obligation to get to the bottom of Kim.

 

Kathy would not take Eileen or either of the Lisas on.  When has anybody heard of Kathy Hilton getting into a verbal battle with someone? 

 

Me.  I've seen her in full-on bitch mode on a reality show.  She's also the big sister of and mother of some of the pointiest, loudest, nastiest, hit below the beltist (??LOL) confrontational fame whores that ever whored. So even if I hadn't seen her in action, I'd surmise she was much of the same. 

 

The example you posted from that article tells me she's not only loud and stupid, but she's got big balls.  Who laughs at a prosecutor and asks a judge for his autograph when your daughter's fate in in their hands?  Sounds exactly like something Kim would do if it was one of her kids up there, complete with Tourette's finger. (thank you whoever came up with that.)  I think Kim and Kathy are two birds of a feather. And as far as Kathy never taking Eileen or Lisa on?  Probably something we'll never know but certainly something neither one of can know for sure.  But I know Kathy isn't the nice sister.

 

Funny visual just came into my head.  If there was a cage match, I can totally see Rinna jumping into the ring with Kathy.  Because she's got that inner gangster.  But I just don't see Eileen doing it.  Call it class, call it fear...I don't know.  When I think about it, I guess that's why I think that if Kathy would have been at dinner, and Kathy was sticking up for Kim, Eileen would have stayed quiet.