S05.E13: Sister Act

[lovesnark]

Yikes, I've got a pile of thoughts, not exactly organized.

 

First, Kim was diagnosed with a hiatal hernia.  That's when there's a tear in the diaphragm where the stomach pooches up in it.  When active, it can make you puke after eating something greasy, spicy, too much, or just not to your digestive system's liking.  The common prescription is something like Nexium or some other acid reflux reducing drug and advice to eat small portions.  There are some surgeries for it, with differing results.  My mother has had one for, god, now about 20 years.  No one has ever given her a 'script for anything more powerful than that.  So no GOOD doc is prescribing Kim with some kind of pain killer patch for a hiatal hernia.  And, to my knowledge, you can't get high off Nexium.

 

As for "outing" Kim's addiction, I think there are different levels of discussion.  Kim has admitted she has addiction issues and had a sit down with Andy at the (2nd/3rd?) reunion about it.  No one can "out" her as being an addict now, as she has openly admitted she is one.  Outing her as back on the stuff (pills/booze/whathaveyou) currently is a different story.

 

Kim's story for me is 50% sad and 50% stupid.  She's a recovering addict (who may likely have relapsed), with a cancer ridden beloved ex, and with few friends, perhaps Brandi is actually one (in Kim's eyes).  Yet she willfully covers her ears (figuratively) when anything involving Kyle comes around.  And I really don't like Kyle, but shit, Kim didn't hear that line about Mauricio Brandi laid down?  If her ribs are cracked and her discs are compressed, that was a super trick putting her head up her ass that far.

 

My last irrelevant thought is on Lisa V's son.  Max should be allowed to learn his genetic make up.  Ancestry.com has been selling the kits for ages and Lisa can even get the swabs done on her dogs.  I seriously doubt Max wants to run away from the Todd family, he probably wants to know his lineage just as much as she's got on Giggy.

When Kim talked to Andy, she firmly denied anything other than being an alcoholic. Andy gently tried to go there and she was adamant that her only problem was alcohol. That's the biggest problem with Kim. She won't cop to anything and until she does, she's never, ever going to be able to get better. Everything is someone else's fault and when she gets called out, she attacks.

[breezy424]

I think it's funny how everyone thinks of Kyle as the "successful one". So Kyle has a marriage, so what. Why would Kim be jealous of Kyle? Think about it, their other sister is Kathy Hilton. They run in circles with extremely wealthy people, and yet Kim should be so jealous of Kyle because she is married and has a family? To me it seems like Kyle paints herself as being the one who is successful to make herself feel better. Bravo helps pay for things for her to help perpectuate this image of a highly successful person because they want drama. 

 

Kyle and Moricio are the least successful people on the show, besides Kim and Brandi. And it is Kyle who is constantly putting Kim down to others, not the other way around. Kim has confided in Brandi, and it pisses Kyle off, but she needs to get over it. 

I don't think that it's 'just' that Kyle has a marriage.  From what I've seen, it's a very happy marriage and she has a family with four children who seem very normal.  I don't think for a moment that Kyle 'paints' herself as being successful to make herself feel better.  She isn't painting anything. She did good.  And I think Kim is jealous of that.

 

Kathy may have more money.  But not a whole lot more in reality.  The bulk of the Hilton estate was left to charity.  Plus Kathy has her children....nothing to be proud of there.  Is it that important to run in circles with extremely wealthy people?  Who do does she run with anyway?

 

I also think that Mauricio has become wealthier than Eileen and Lisa's families.  Mauricio is one of the most successful realtors in the country and his income probably exceeds both of them.  That leaves the Fosters and the Todds.  I don't think the Todd's income is all that much now a days, given their disclosures about the recent lawsuit.  David Foster probably beats Mauricio but I wouldn't swear to it.

[WireWrap]

Was Brandi also putting herself in the martyr role when talking with Lisa R?  I thought I heard her talk about how hard it was, but she had to do it, meaning dealing with Kim.  It didn't take her long to get there.

Yes she did! LOL Someone just has to be there for Kim after all and Brandi was/is the only one qualified for that position! LOL

[LotusFlower]

First, Kim was diagnosed with a hiatal hernia.

Kim had a hernia like I'm Andy Cohen. Kim is an addict. She lies. Constantly. She didn't have a hernia, or pneumonia, or bronchitis. She likely self-admitted as an excuse to explain her "ornery," drugged out behavior from the night before, and then stayed for 4, 5-7, or 9 days. Can't say for sure since Kim's story keeps changing. See what I mean?

[swankie]

If I heard right, Brandi pretty much confirmed that she knows Kim is not sober. It is strange how she has spent so much time over the last few months talking about how Kyle wanted to out her again, when it seems as though Brandi is the one who has done this.

 

 

It's easy for Brandi to do this because she really doesn't give a fuck about Kim.  She's totally using Kim to get at Kyle, who Brandi has hated from day one because of game night.  What better way to get at Kyle than through, A) Mauricio with magazine-gate last season and, B) Kim, her easily manipulated addict sister?  Brandi didn't get anywhere trying to take down Lisa V, so easy target Kyle is the focus of her ire this season.

 

The only thing I'll mention about the Kyle/Kim drama. Eileen, honey, what were you thinking?? I think she knew she was fucked about five minutes in, but then didn't know what to do. She should've said "Oh, hey, sorry, didn't realize the crazy I was dealing with, y'all have fun, bye!" When those two get going, there's nothing anyone else can do but just slowly back away.

 

 

I can't get with this exactly because I have a sister that all through the year we are like best friends, but for some reason on holidays, she starts to pick with me until I reach my breaking point and we end up looking like Kyle and Kim did this episode.  It's basically been going on since we were kids and once you get back into that same old argument, there's no time at all before you slip back into your childhood way of handling it.  You want so bad to get your points across that you end up screaming and hollering at each other.  Nobody can bring that out of you like a sibling!  Especially one that has a history of being confrontational with you.  I can only imagine how Kyle feels because Kim isn't even my sister and I find myself yelling at her through my tv screen.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Did anyone notice Kim's reaction when Eileen was very gently talking to her & trying to explain Kyle's behavior to her?  Her body language said it all.  She turned away from Eileen completely & she said in her TH Eileen should mind her own business & "not discuss the people she loves".  Translation -- unless you support me & enable all of my bullshit, you can just fuck off.  No, Kim, I've had enough of your bullshit, so you can go fuck off, as far as I'm concerned.

Edited February 11, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[thefog]

Typical Brandi, she  turns on Yo.  No surprise.  It was a just a matter of time.  That was such a cheap blow. They're done.  The reunion should be good.

[haydensterling]

As for the patch, Kim is def stealing Monty's Duragesic/Fentanyl.  Duragesic is end-stage pain medication.  You can't walk into a Dr. Feel Good's office and pick that up.  She has no condition that would warrant the use of it. Plus, Kim is a pretty high-profile junkie at this point.  I doubt that any doctor would be willing to take the risk of prescribing for her. 

 

Fentanyl is wonderful--for people in palliative care who have built up a tolerance--it was a real blessing for my grandmother towards the end of her life, but Kim is playing with fire here--one patch could kill her.  Fentanyl is nothing to fuck around with.  

[talula]

It is commonly used for terminal cancer patients, as you said, like Monty! I really doubt that any Dr. would give an addict Fentanyl Patches for "hernia" pain. I hope Monty is keeping close watch over his and counts them every few hours as I suspect that is where Kim is getting her pain "patch" from!

Hubby's grandpop died and he was very upset...they were very close. He suffered from pain caused by a hiatus hernia, which is what Kim had. The doctor told him to take Gaviscon tablets after each meal. Within one week all the symptoms were gone and that was 15-years ago. He never had it again. He obviously had a very mild case compared to Kim who is being treated with a morphine like substance in a patch...similar to something her ex-husband may use. Or has Kim lied to Brandi and is she once again been dipping into Monty's meds?

Hot Button Statement made by Brandi...(when talking to LisaR) Brandi says she can't say anything to Kim about using substances...LisaR said something like, then you pretty much lie when your with her. Then LisaR says, something has to happen (to Kim). Then Brandi says, "MORE THAN YOU KNOW."

Does this mean that for the past 6-months before filming (while Kim & Brandi became BFF) Brandi witnessed Kim having serious over dose events??? Brandi did complain that the Kim best friend dependency has been heavy on her shoulders.

Brandi seemed to be reaching out to LisaR for help with Kim...she appeared overwhelmed. Brandi and lisa even talked about intervention with a professional, not one of the HW.

What do you think?

[Umbelina]

Brandi didn't say anything about what kind of patch it was.  There are a few others it could be.  Both OTC and Lidocaine patches are out there for pain.

 

Let's hope it's one of those.

 

I thought both "more than you know" and calling Kyle at 2AM meant suicide talk.  Lipsa really talked nicely to Brandi to her face, digging for information, it's only been to other women and to the camera that she's been critical.  I did think it was a good sign that Brandi asked if Lipsa could talk to Kyle on Kim's behalf.

[missy jo]

I gasped out loud when Brandi said Kim had a "patch" for pain. I freaking hope not - so much stronger than opiate pills. Like, insanely, fatally stronger. Definitely would explain how fucked up she was at Poker Night.

 

I think Lisa R.'s motives are pure and not for camera-time. It seems like she's new enough to the dynamic to earnestly think she can effect change, and alarmed that something needs to be done, stat, due to her family history.

[GreatKazu]

BogoGog24 - Yes, Brandi's podcast is unfiltered, however, her asinine comments make their way to various media sites as well as here on these threads. I have never listened to her shitty show, but when her comments make the rounds, and you know how Brandi takes it further by responding to the "haters" by taking it Twitter which then makes the rounds again on various media sites, it makes it pretty easy to know about the stupid things she has said on the air.

I believe Lisa R. is mentioning Kim is an addict because it is her way to get the point across to the producers that an addicted person has no business on this show or any reality show. It is her way of doing an intervention for the sake of Kim. She knows Kim will not admit she has a problem so, the next step is to maybe get the producers to make a move in removing Kim.

Edited February 11, 2015 by GreatKazu

[LotusFlower]

As for the patch, Kim is def stealing Monty's Duragesic/Fentanyl.  Duragesic is end-stage pain medication.  You can't walk into a Dr. Feel Good's office and pick that up.  She has no condition that would warrant the use of it. Plus, Kim is a pretty high-profile junkie at this point.  I doubt that any doctor would be willing to take the risk of prescribing for her. 

This is the real reason Kim invited Monty to stay with her, not to oh-so-nobly take care of him. This is also why no rehab or sober coach or AA sponsor would ever advise Kim to live with and take care of an ill man on heavy medication. Kim's addiction controls every aspect of her life. And it seems to be getting worse.

[swankie]

All I can say is I hope to God things aren't as they appear with Kim because if something isn't done soon she is going to die! Period.

 

 

I agree.  Kim makes me think of Whitney Houston.  :'(

I do agree with Brandi on one thing she said.  "Find another topic!"

 

These women spend almost all of their time together talking about Brandi, when they aren't talking about Kim.

 

 

Yeah right, this coming from someone who made her yoga prayer about Kyle.  Brandi just needs to STFU!

 

I wonder if they adopted him when he was a bit older.

 

 

They showed film of Lisa holding Max as a baby.  He looked to be 5 or 6 months old.

Edited February 11, 2015 by swankie

[WireWrap]

Hubby's grandpop died and he was very upset...they were very close. He suffered from pain caused by a hiatus hernia, which is what Kim had. The doctor told him to take Gaviscon tablets after each meal. Within one week all the symptoms were gone and that was 15-years ago. He never had it again. He obviously had a very mild case compared to Kim who is being treated with a morphine like substance in a patch...similar to something her ex-husband may use. Or has Kim lied to Brandi and is she once again been dipping into Monty's meds?

Hot Button Statement made by Brandi...(when talking to LisaR) Brandi says she can't say anything to Kim about using substances...LisaR said something like, then you pretty much lie when your with her. Then LisaR says, something has to happen (to Kim). Then Brandi says, "MORE THAN YOU KNOW."

Does this mean that for the past 6-months before filming (while Kim & Brandi became BFF) Brandi witnessed Kim having serious over dose events??? Brandi did complain that the Kim best friend dependency has been heavy on her shoulders.

Brandi seemed to be reaching out to LisaR for help with Kim...she appeared overwhelmed. Brandi and lisa even talked about intervention with a professional, not one of the HW.

What do you think?

Kim has a Hiatal Hernia and there is very little pain with them outside of pain caused buy the acid reflux the hernia can cause. If it is a really bad hiatal hernia, chest pains, diarrhea and/or vomiting,  then they would do surgery/Laparoscopic surgery and most patients are back to full activities after 1 week. She would never be prescribed a narcotic/controlled substance pain patch...never. IMO, Kim is getting "her" patches from Monty.

 

Brandi's comment was that she feels that unless Kim admits to her that she was/is getting high, she could/would not believe Kim was getting high. In Brandi's pickled brain if someone refuses to say they are high/drunk they are not even if everyone else says they are. So as long as Brandi denies being an alcoholic, she is not because she says so! LOL

 

Brandi said that Kim would kill her then herself if she ever told anyone she was using again. Lisa R then asked if something happened and Brandi replied "More than you'll ever know", so Brandi just told the world that Kim talked about killing herself or that she tried to kill herself, she outed her either way!

 

The conversation between Lisa R and Brandi started out as Lisa trying to find out why Brandi was such a nasty/mean person and Brandi threw Kim under the bus to steer the conversation away from herself. Brandi was not reaching out to Lisa R for help or advice on Kim but to get her off of her own back! Lisa fell for it.

[breezy424]

so Brandi seems to indicate that Kim's late night calls are very serious.  She indicates that Kim was in a very bad place when these calls were made.  Remember, this is Brandi.  The same person who stated over and over again that Adrienne was 'suing' her.  An outright lie.  So, because Brandi says this about Kim, does it make it true?  Not on Brandi's statements alone. 

 

Is Kim screwed up?  Absolutely.  Is she using drugs?  Maybe.  I don't know for sure.  I only know what I see on this show.  It does seem likely but I also know how these production companies roll.   We see what they want us to see.  I do know, as history has shown,  that Kim will rue the day she let Brandi into her life.

 

Can't say this enough.  Brandi's statement to Yolanda about her daughter says it all about who Brandi is as person.  She is toxic.

[WireWrap]

Brandi didn't say anything about what kind of patch it was.  There are a few others it could be.  Both OTC and Lidocaine patches are out there for pain.

 

Let's hope it's one of those.

 

I thought both "more than you know" and calling Kyle at 2AM meant suicide talk.  Lipsa really talked nicely to Brandi to her face, digging for information, it's only been to other women and to the camera that she's been critical.  I did think it was a good sign that Brandi asked if Lipsa could talk to Kyle on Kim's behalf.

A Lidocaine  Patch is used for moderate pain for the likes of arthritis, pulled tendons....muscle pain along this line. Hiatal Hernias cause very little pain aside the pain caused by GERD (acid reflux) and you take an antacid for that and if the H Hernia is really bad, you have Laparoscopic surgery to correct it and are back to full activities, unrestricted, in about 1 week, taking Tylenol for pain as needed that 1 week. Kim is using a patch far more powerful than Lidocaine IMO.

[WireWrap]

so Brandi seems to indicate that Kim's late night calls are very serious.  She indicates that Kim was in a very bad place when these calls were made.  Remember, this is Brandi.  The same person who stated over and over again that Adrienne was 'suing' her.  An outright lie.  So, because Brandi says this about Kim, does it make it true?  Not on Brandi's statements alone. 

 

Is Kim screwed up?  Absolutely.  Is she using drugs?  Maybe.  I don't know for sure.  I only know what I see on this show.  It does seem likely but I also know how these production companies roll.   We see what they want us to see.  I do know, as history has shown,  that Kim will rue the day she let Brandi into her life.

 

Can't say this enough.  Brandi's statement to Yolanda about her daughter says it all about who Brandi is as person.  She is toxic.

I do think it more than possible that Brandi embellished Kim's condition but I am pretty convinced that Kim is using/getting high by not only her behavior on the show but that she also admitted to taking a pain pill meant for terminal cancer/Monty. I think Brandi will try to say she told Kyle that Kim was contemplating suicide in that now infamous 2 am call she keeps telling everyone about and that Kyle refused to listen to her and she was left to "save" Kim all by herself! Kim will most certainly regret confiding in Brandi. 

 

Toxic may not be strong enough to describe Brandi at this point.

[talula]

Kim has a Hiatal Hernia and there is very little pain with them outside of pain caused buy the acid reflux the hernia can cause. If it is a really bad hiatal hernia, chest pains, diarrhea and/or vomiting,  then they would do surgery/Laparoscopic surgery and most patients are back to full activities after 1 week. She would never be prescribed a narcotic/controlled substance pain patch...never. IMO, Kim is getting "her" patches from Monty.

 

Brandi's comment was that she feels that unless Kim admits to her that she was/is getting high, she could/would not believe Kim was getting high. In Brandi's pickled brain if someone refuses to say they are high/drunk they are not even if everyone else says they are. So as long as Brandi denies being an alcoholic, she is not because she says so! LOL

 

Brandi said that Kim would kill her then herself if she ever told anyone she was using again. Lisa R then asked if something happened and Brandi replied "More than you'll ever know", so Brandi just told the world that Kim talked about killing herself or that she tried to kill herself, she outed her either way!

 

The conversation between Lisa R and Brandi started out as Lisa trying to find out why Brandi was such a nasty/mean person and Brandi threw Kim under the bus to steer the conversation away from herself. Brandi was not reaching out to Lisa R for help or advice on Kim but to get her off of her own back! Lisa fell for it.

I agree, that their lunch was about why Brandi was a mean girl and Brandi quickly changed the subject to Kim who is another hot mess LisaR is interested in knowing more about. Do you think Brandi went back to Kim and told her LisaR called her out as an addict and that's the reason Kim says HH cheated on LisaR? We've seen that video where LisaR goes ballistic.

Wonder if without pills or booze both Kim and Brandi are mean girls period?

[GreatKazu]

These women spend almost all of their time together talking about Brandi, when they aren't talking about Kim.

Of course they do because those two are assholes!!! Brandi mentioning how she did not want to be talked about came on the heels of her TH where she mentioned how she loves being the center of attention (paraphrasing). What was it she said? Something about her mother saying how it is a good thing when people talk about you. Then, there was her crappy interview with Heather McD. about wanting to be like Chelsea Handler where she could say what she wants without people judging her. Except, Chelsea can dish it out and truly does not care what people say whereas Brandi gets all butt hurt and then doesn't want anyone to focus on what she says.

Edited February 11, 2015 by GreatKazu

[WireWrap]

I agree, that their lunch was about why Brandi was a mean girl and Brandi quickly changed the subject to Kim who is another hot mess LisaR is interested in knowing more about. Do you think Brandi went back to Kim and told her LisaR called her out as an addict and that's the reason Kim says HH cheated on LisaR? We've seen that video where LisaR goes ballistic.

Wonder if without pills or booze both Kim and Brandi are mean girls period?

I think it is a real possibility that Brandi tells Kim that Lisa R was asking her questions about Kim and that sets Kim off.

 

We have seen snippets of Kim sober/ish, telling Adrienne/Paul what Brandi said,, and IMO, she is not a nice person at all and neither is Brandi IMO.

Edited February 11, 2015 by WireWrap

[breezy424]

As far as the 'patch' goes, we don't know what it was for.  There's assumption that it was for the hernia but Kim stated (I know, I know) she also had a broken rib.  Maybe she was using a lidocaine patch for that.  I don't know. 

 

I do know that Brandi has a history of lying and embellishing.  And I do know that it's pretty 'f' upped to say on the one hand that you are protecting someone because of their delicate situation but on the other hand telling the world on national tv what that delicate situation is.  Kim didn't post a blog last week.  I wonder why.  Hopefully, she is realizing what truth actually is when it comes to who really cares about her.  But, then again, who knows.......

[runforcover]

Well that's that.

 

Kim Richards is a piece of shit.

 

And while I hate to say it because she's probably despicable asshole, Lisa R hit the nail on the head: Why Is Everyone Afraid of Kim Richards?

 

(There were a few shots of Kim during the Kyle/Eileen scene, just Kim's profile, awkwardly and pridefully turned away, where she looks like a self-protective coward.)

 

Because Kim is a tyrant.  I will even go so far as to say that, regardless of her enabling, idiocy and cruelty, Brandi is not pseudo-caring for Kim or aggressively taking advantage of Kim because Kim has the upper fucking hand here.  And that, in fact, is how Brandi likes it.

 

Ugh.  Right now, I hope they skewer Kim.

Edited February 11, 2015 by runforcover

[WireWrap]

As far as the 'patch' goes, we don't know what it was for.  There's assumption that it was for the hernia but Kim stated (I know, I know) she also had a broken rib.  Maybe she was using a lidocaine patch for that.  I don't know. 

 

I do know that Brandi has a history of lying and embellishing.  And I do know that it's pretty 'f' upped to say on the one hand that you are protecting someone because of their delicate situation but on the other hand telling the world on national tv what that delicate situation is.  Kim didn't post a blog last week.  I wonder why.  Hopefully, she is realizing what truth actually is when it comes to who really cares about her.  But, then again, who knows.......

Brandi said Kim had used or had a  "patch" for her hernia. There was no mistaking what Brandi was trying to reveal/insinuate. I agree that Brandi could be making this all up, what she told Lisa R or at the very least, embellishing it but I suspect she spilled many "secrets" to Lisa about Kim in that discussion. I think RealityTVSmack1 has a point that this may be why Kim goes after Lisa R in an upcoming episode, we will soon see I guess.

 

Kim has never been one to do a lot of tweeting either, although she does tweet at least once a day, but she has been MIA from twitter since the 4th. I suspect it is a direct response to seeing who said what, when, to whom and she is not enjoying the egg all over her face.

[athousandclowns]

You guys have covered al very well .....but I just had to laugh when Brandi was comparing herself with Chelsea Handler and how she can get away with saying anything and she gets all kinds of crap for what she says on her big time podcast. She would ask Heather something and then not let her complete a sentence and bring it back to herself.

Is there a patch that will keep you from not drinking like many years ago there was a drug alcoholics took that would make them violently ill if they took a drink.  The reason I ask is she was telling Lisa that she has the patch off .

 Fentanyl patches are issued in boxes of 3-4  I think they last 3 days. If a cancer patient was in need of such a end of life Rx he would be a fool to allow her to take them.

Brandi is a bottom feeder.

[LotusFlower]

Brandi says so many vile things that some of them go unmentioned. Am I dreaming, or did Brandi say she hopes Kyle moves to a place far, far away, like to Africa, wherever Ebola resides. I mean, could she have really said that? Does she really think she's Chelsea Handler and knows how to construct a joke? Because that one failed.

[SwordQueen]

Oh, so many thoughts. 

 

Klye, Eileen, and the Lisas are fun to watch together.  I have a feeling that they did talk about a bunch of other topics but it was edited out in favor of whatever they said about Kim and Brandi.  Unless it’s part of the “storyline”, scenes and convos get dropped.  I would love to hear them talk about acting though, since they’ve all been there.  I’d also love when they speak of people they all know.  I don't feel like I'm watching ladies from BH with all of the stupid, drunk brawls.  I can see that shit anywhere. 

 

The Vanderpump-Todd storyline with Max is sometimes difficult to watch, but I like it so far.  The tension was palpable and the tears felt genuine.  I have no experience with adoption so I can’t even imagine all of the feels that everyone must be going through.  I felt for Pandy when she found out at the store and had to turn away from the camera when she began to cry.  Lisa tries so hard to stay composed during emotional moments and I think that often makes her seem cold towards her family.  And I know it can seem like they aren’t handling it right, or whatever, but right or wrong, it felt real.  I hope Max finds out everything he wants to know.  He seems like a generally good kid, who may have some problems, and I'm glad they aren't going there with him, because I don't need to know.   

 

I have to give it to Yo for not punching Brandi when she needled her about Bella.  Her use of “everyone” fooled no one.  I wonder who Yo thinks is a “Hollywood friend” now?

 

I love Eileen and Lisa R.  I feel both are genuine in their desire to shake some sense into these women and both are "truth cannons".  Take note, Brandi, this is how you do it.  Eileen definitely got in over her head with the Richards’ sisters.  Kim is defiant.  As noted above, her posture said it all when Eileen was trying to mediate.  She refuses to take any responsibility for the state of her and Kyle’s relationship and the role her addictions have played in it.   She’s never done anything to Kyle, she says. I feel for her children if this is the mother they have had to grow up with.  I hope she was different then, for their sakes, but I doubt it. 

 

Brandi, ugh. I can’t with her anymore.  She’s a manipulator through and through with her diversion tactics. Gaslighting and projecting and deflecting, oh my!   I appreciate Lisa R. trying to talk to her about her own behavior and I am glad, for once, that Brandi is Brandi, because her loose lips told us that she's already playing Kim's addictions against her to the others.  I wonder if Kim actually told Brandi that she was her best friend.  We saw Kim say that to Kyle on camera tonight.  Brandi does a lot of “I’m not going to say, but I’m just saying”, which could either mean that she’s trying to tell the truth without actually spelling it out on camera, or she’s lying and hoping that they will form their own assumptions and run with it.  With these two, trying to find the truth is futile.

 

I agree that Brandi setting Lisa R. up to take a fall for "discussing" Kim is very likely.  I'm trying to think of what else would set off Lisa like what we saw in the previews.  I wonder if Brandi tells Kim that Lisa R. talked to Kyle (and Lisa V.) about an intervention and then Kim goes and attacks Lisa R. for it and she and Brandi gang up on her.  I hope you get wine in your eyes, Brandi, and I hope it burns. 

Edited February 11, 2015 by SwordQueen

[glowbug]

All I can say is Brandi is a friend to no one.  In one episode she managed to throw her only two allies under the bus.  First she throws out the idea that Yolanda's daughter is an alcoholic before quickly dismissing it so she can say she doesn't believe it.  Then she divulges that Kim has relapsed to Lisa R. on camera as a way of deflecting attention away from her own drinking problems.  Although, to be fair, I also don't think outing Kim was 100% calculated.  Brandi has serious boundary issues and I believe that she often can't help herself from over sharing (about herself and others).  

 

I loved the Burbank Film Festival scenes.  I'm glad that Lisa and Kyle are getting along.  They both come across better when they're friends than when they're enemies and they both have good chemistry with Eileen and Lisa R.  

 

Lisa lost me at the beginning of the season with all her talk about being a victim of the her castmates.  Although I was on her side for the most part last season, I never believed she was entirely innocent in the whole thing so I was getting tired of hearing her moan about how wronged she was as though she hadn't played any part in it.  But she's slowly been winning me back.  Her advice to Kyle about Brandi was spot on and she's handled Brandi exceedingly well.  I'm also enjoying the Max researches has heritage storyline.  Whatever Lisa's motives, I do think we are seeing some genuine emotion on her part and it's touching.  

 

I'm totally on Kyle's side in her fights with both Brandi and Kim.  Kyle hasn't acted perfectly, but compared to Brandi and Kim she's the paragon of good sense and behavior.  At least her errors in judgment are understandable.  The fight between Kyle and Kim at the end was dark and full of disfunction but I have to admit I did have a moment of amusement when Kim used the "But that's how I feel" on Kyle.  Those two really are sisters.

Edited February 11, 2015 by glowbug

[GreatKazu]

I forgot to post, Brandi loves to throw things out in the hopes that things will stick in the minds of viewers. She has now mentioned twice that Kyle is a drinker/was drunk on poker night. Those comments are clearly neant for those viewers who need to hear or believe something negative about Kyle, as if Kyle is so perfect and has not done or said questionable things. It is Brandi's not-so-subtle tactic to score points with her "fans" and to hopefully plant seeds in the minds of the "Kyle haters".

Second, Brandi stated she is not an addict because she has a busy day with her boys, going to work at her podcast show and whatever else she does aside from this show. Brandi is stupid. There are functioning addicts. She is a special kind of addict in that her job(this show) allows her to have alcohol.

It seems this episode was about letting it all hang out. I know Brandi mentioned before how she takes Xanax with her alcohol and for those times she has anxiety, which seems to happen all day long, but to hear Yolanda mention it as if it is a problem for Brandi, piqued my interest. Not that I needed YoFo to say anything to confirm what I feel is the truth, it was just YoFo said out in conjunction with her worry about Brandi's drinking problem.

[Persnickety1]

I forgot to post, Brandi loves to throw things out in the hopes that things will stick in the minds of viewers. She has now mentioned twice that Kyle is a drinker/was drunk on poker night. Those comments are clearly neant for those viewers who need to hear or believe something negative about Kyle, as if Kyle is so perfect and has not done or said questionable things. It is Brandi's not-so-subtle tactic to score points with her "fans" and to hopefully plant seeds in the minds of the "Kyle haters".

Second, Brandi stated she is not an addict because she has a busy day with her boys, going to work at her podcast show and whatever else she does aside from this show. Brandi is stupid. There are functioning addicts. She is a special kind of addict in that her job(this show) allows her to have alcohol.

It seems this episode was about letting it all hang out. I know Brandi mentioned before how she takes Xanax with her alcohol and for those times she has anxiety, which seems to happen all day long, but to hear Yolanda mention it as if it is a problem for Brandi, piqued my interest. Not that I needed YoFo to say anything to confirm what I feel is the truth, it was just YoFo said out in conjunction with her worry about Brandi's drinking problem.

 

I worked with a 50-something-year-old woman who had wine with dinner every night.

 

Two bottles of it.

 

All to herself.

 

She would come to work and piss and moan about her horrible headache on a daily basis...A headache that would miraculously disappear each evening when she got home and uncorked the first of the two bottles of wine she would drink.

 

Of course, the reason the wine alleviated the headache was obvious to all of us who worked with her, but she had convinced herself that because she wasn't falling down drunk nor drinking during working hours that she could not be an alcoholic.

 

Yeah, just because someone can function for a few hours without a drink doesn't mean they aren't an alcoholic.  My co-worker was clearly an alcoholic.  Her body and mind would go through withdrawal during the day and just ride it out until it was time to start the cycle again.  

 

Those people are just able to function between rounds....All the while waiting for the clock to strike that magical hour when they feel it's "acceptable" to hit the sauce again.  

Edited February 11, 2015 by Persnickety1

[elainebenis]

I wonder if "the patch" is actually just a nicotine patch. We've seen Kim clutching an ecig in every episode this season. She might bounce between the two, depending on the situation; I know people who do exactly that. As for Brandi, she purposefully left dangling that juicy, ripe peach - just hoping LisaR would run it back to the rest of the Howives.

Edited February 11, 2015 by elainebenis

[Diane Mars]

Regarding what Brandi said to Yolanda regarding Bella's DUI, I read -really- worst than what she told Yolanda ! I read in some gossip sites that she was using coke, too, and that she went to Dubaï as a high end prostitute with one of the Jenner (Kyle ? I'm not sure now)... So Brandi was not lying regarding what "people" said. Of course, it doesn't mean that's true, but yes, it was written. And I think that was her point here. Not a good defense system, I agree, but I really don't think she's as bad as she's perceived on this board.

Another thing : when she was having this discussion with Lipsa, she didn't said that Kim was or wasn't an addict or that she did / didn't relapse, she said that as long as Kim won't tell her she has a problem / needs her help, she won't be able to do anything, as she's not a professionnal nor her sober coach (I summarize, but that's what I get from this conversation)

One last thing : quite everybody here is OK with the fact that there are some fonctioning addicts (i.e. alcoholics) but no one is accepting that, maybe, Kyle could be one of them...

Wow ! it wasn't my intent to be the advocate of Brandi but, it sounds like it, lol !

(And I LOVED the Burbank Int'l Film Festival, lol ! )

[SwordQueen]

All I can say is Brandi is a friend to no one.  In one episode she managed to throw her only two allies under the bus.  First she throws out the idea that Yolanda's daughter is an alcoholic before quickly dismissing it so she can say she doesn't believe it.  Then she divulges that Kim has relapsed to Lisa R. on camera as a way of deflecting attention away from her own drinking problems.  Although, to be fair, I also don't think outing Kim was 100% calculated.  Brandi has serious boundary issues and I believe that she often can't help herself from over sharing (about herself and others).  

 

Lisa lost me at the beginning of the season with all her talk about being a victim of the her castmates.  Although I was on her side for the most part last season, I never believed she was entirely innocent in the whole thing so I was getting tired of hearing her moan about how wronged she was as though she hadn't played any part in it.  But she's slowly been winning me back.  Her advice to Kyle about Brandi was spot on and she's handled Brandi exceedingly well.

 

 

 

I also liked Lisa's advice to Kyle, about how since, Brandi turns on her "friends" and tries to spin threads of bullshit into gold, that the best way to handle her is to, well, not handle her. Treat her like the child she loves to be and when she starts throwing her "Mom, look at me!  Mom, look at me!" tantrums, the adults in the room just need to "yeah, uhuh, that's nice" her and continue on.

 

But Kyle was still in HULK SMASH! mode, so she wasn't able to hear her at that moment.  I hope they were able to discuss it further off camera. 

[DollyMamaB]

With every episode, it becomes more and more obvious why Eddie left Brandi.  She really is a horrible person who thinks she can say whatever she wants without any consequences.  She buddies up to the Yolanda's and the Lisa's, LOOKING for a mommy figure and then when they start reprimanding her like a child, she starts slinging knives.  This type of person is NOT a friend, to ANYONE.  She's dangerous.

 

I think the reason everyone tip toes around Kim is because they're afraid of what she'll do to herself.  Well, she's doing it anyway.  We've all known (since the very first episode of this series) that something is "off" with Kim.  She won't get help unless SHE wants to.  No one can do anything about it.

 

I really enjoyed Eileen, Kyle and the Lisa's together.  Made it even more painfully obvious how Brandi, Yolanda and Kim are not needed on this show. 

[poeticlicensed]

I wonder how many times Eileen and Lisa Rinna have had private conversations, along the lines of "Can you believe this shit???  I thought for sure it was all editing but some of these women are really crazy!!!!"

 

I'd be saying the same thing if I somehow landed on that show. I have watched every episode since S1 and I still find myself saying it. 

 

Anyone notice that Kyle has the hands of an old woman? Her face belies her age, but her hands, not so much. 

[runforcover]

I feel like I'm constantly, and by default, defending Brandi because there's this bullshit polemic created (by show and by associated codependants) to protect kim and her enablers, including brandi.

 

This is exhausting.  Brandi is gross and flat.  At best, she's just kidding and not funny.  And, at worst, she's not compelling - and, by this, I mean, irrelevant, get-her-off-the-show, bored, unemployable not-compelling.

 

I wish she was a monster but she's not that interesting.  Or if she is, in fact, a monster, I wish this precluded Kim's Total Culpability For Her Shitty Life that I have signed up to watch.

 

The Richards sisters are a desolate machine.

 

Let's hope Kyle means it when she says she's old enough now to know better.

Edited February 11, 2015 by runforcover

[SwordQueen]

Regarding what Brandi said to Yolanda regarding Bella's DUI, I read -really- worst than what she told Yolanda ! I read in some gossip sites that she was using coke, too, and that she went to Dubaï as a high end prostitute with one of the Jenner (Kyle ? I'm not sure now)... So Brandi was not lying regarding what "people" said. Of course, it doesn't mean that's true, but yes, it was written. And I think that was her point here. Not a good defense system, I agree, but I really don't think she's as bad as she's perceived on this board.

Another thing : when she was having this discussion with Lipsa, she didn't said that Kim was or wasn't an addict or that she did / didn't relapse, she said that as long as Kim won't tell her she has a problem / needs her help, she won't be able to do anything, as she's not a professionnal nor her sober coach (I summarize, but that's what I get from this conversation)

One last thing : quite everybody here is OK with the fact that there are some fonctioning addicts (i.e. alcoholics) but no one is accepting that, maybe, Kyle could be one of them...

Wow ! it wasn't my intent to be the advocate of Brandi but, it sounds like it, lol !

(And I LOVED the Burbank Int'l Film Festival, lol ! )

 

She might be, but I find it strange that there haven't been any mentions of it on the show before this.  Right?  Or mentions of it in off the show gossip.  Right?  I definitely need to be talking notes, I can't remember for shit.  lol

 

Has Kyle, yet this season, thrown any of Brandi's past or rumors about her in her face?  Like tampongate or the true fact that her husband was banging anything that moved while she was pregnant with his kid?  Because, even if Kyle's drinking had increased or what have you, that Brandi keeps sliding it into conversations is foul.  Just as are the rumors about Maurice cheating that she keeps harping on about.  She's hitting below the belt with everyone and no one seems to be handing back to her (yet).  I don't even care if Brandi may be hinting at something that could be true when she refuses to get her own house in order.  A drunk calling another drunk a drunk is sad.  Especially when that drunk is calling another drunk a drunk on behalf of a third drunk, who's too high from popping pills to notice.

 

I need a drink.  This show is not good for my own un-sobiety.  lol 

[motorcitymom65]

I think it's funny how everyone thinks of Kyle as the "successful one". So Kyle has a marriage, so what. Why would Kim be jealous of Kyle? Think about it, their other sister is Kathy Hilton. They run in circles with extremely wealthy people, and yet Kim should be so jealous of Kyle because she is married and has a family? To me it seems like Kyle paints herself as being the one who is successful to make herself feel better. Bravo helps pay for things for her to help perpectuate this image of a highly successful person because they want drama.

Kyle and Moricio are the least successful people on the show, besides Kim and Brandi. And it is Kyle who is constantly putting Kim down to others, not the other way around. Kim has confided in Brandi, and it pisses Kyle off, but she needs to get over it.

The least successful? What are the standards of measure? Kyle is more successful than Kim because she has her shit together. Kim is unsure what day of the week it is.

With regard to the rest of the cast, it might have been the case that the Umansky's were the least successful when the show started, but far from it now. Mauricio's wealth is now estimated to be in the same general range as Ken and Lisa's. I get that these sites are frequently wrong, but even if they are off by A LOT, K&M have become very wealthy wealthy. People mocked the storyline at the beginning of the year about their change in fortune, but I found it interesting because it's no lie. During the 5 years we have been watching the show they have gone from wealthy to over-the-top rich. Mauricio sold over $350 million in real estate last year.

Edited February 11, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[Mya Stone]

So did Yo get that Brandi was horribly throwing out the accusation that her daughter is an alcoholic? She said in her TH she was only trying to help Brandi & yet she was "stabbing" at her, but did she get at that point just how awful what Brandi said was? Cuz I don't think she did.

Man, if she said that about my daughter, I'd kick her the fuck outta my house immediately & never speak to her again. Yo, WTF??? You're gonna let her put out that your daughter is an alcoholic? I'm more disturbed by Yo than I am by Brandi. Why the hell didn't Yo boot her outta her house after Brandi not-so-indirectly suggested her daughter is an alcoholic? That was beyond heinous.

Eileen's heart & motives seemed in the right place, but this is way out of her depth. These 2 can only be helped by professionals -- if they can be helped at all. But yeah, Kyle is right -- and I'm sure many of us have been there. At a certain point, when dealing with difficult shit with family members, you do throw your hands up & wanna give up.

This made me laugh hysterically because I read it in a Randy Jackson voice.

[motorcitymom65]

Regarding what Brandi said to Yolanda regarding Bella's DUI, I read -really- worst than what she told Yolanda ! I read in some gossip sites that she was using coke, too, and that she went to Dubaï as a high end prostitute with one of the Jenner (Kyle ? I'm not sure now)... So Brandi was not lying regarding what "people" said. Of course, it doesn't mean that's true, but yes, it was written. And I think that was her point here. Not a good defense system, I agree, but I really don't think she's as bad as she's perceived on this board.

 

 

These stories in the press were about Gigi, not Bella. They had to do with some New Year's Eve partying that went down in Dubai, and weren't even reported on until early this year, months after this filmed.

 

In my mind, it wouldn't have mattered either way. By Brandi bringing it up, she was deflecting the conversation away from her own issues by reminding Yo of her own issues in her family that caused her pain. This was a bitch move by Brandi. 

[motorcitymom65]

 

 

Has Kyle, yet this season, thrown any of Brandi's past or rumors about her in her face?  Like tampongate or the true fact that her husband was banging anything that moved while she was pregnant with his kid?  Because, even if Kyle's drinking had increased or what have you, that Brandi keeps sliding it into conversations is foul.  Just as are the rumors about Maurice cheating that she keeps harping on about.  She's hitting below the belt with everyone and no one seems to be handing back to her (yet).  I don't even care if Brandi may be hinting at something that could be true when she refuses to get her own house in order.  A drunk calling another drunk a drunk is sad.  Especially when that drunk is calling another drunk a drunk on behalf of a third drunk, who's too high from popping pills to notice.

 

 

No, to my knowledge Kyle has never made any disparaging comments about Brandi and any behavior she has displayed away from the show. Kyle (and most of the other gals) tend to judge the others based on what they see and how they are treated. This is what makes Brandi so different from the other gals. She will reveal things that have absolutely nothing to do with the show and aren't part of the story in order to make another look bad. 

 

I will always think that the ultimate example of this is the tampon reveal.  It happened right in the middle of filming and worked perfectly with the narrative of last season - that Brandi was a sloppy drunk. Yet none of the women talked about it on camera at all (I have said before that a producer-friend who knows folks on the show said that this was all the ladies were talking about when the cameras weren't on, but when they came on, everyone refused to discuss it on camera.  Apparently there were concerns for her kids).  The timing is critical, as it happened two weeks AFTER Brandi brought up the Mauricio cheating allegations on camera. Kyle is far from perfect, but she is a better person than I am because I probably would not have been able to keep my mouth shut. I will be very surprised if she is able too for much longer. 

[Otherkate]

Heather McDonald's face scares the life out of me! I'm sorry, I know it's mean but damn!

 

Oh lord, that scene was so scary. Two waxy puppets jawing at each other from across the table. Mercy.

 

I laughed out loud when Brandi compared herself to Chelsea Handler. CH is funny, that's the difference. And she's funny because she is capable of layered thinking. When someone pisses Chelsea off, she can manage more than a pathetic "fuck you!" or "bring it!" comeback, because instead of having the brain power of a 7th grade girl, she has that of an adult woman. 

 

LOVED the trip to the Burbank Film Festival. I think the reason I liked it so much is because I truly like Eileen, I think she sees it as what it is, and was probably laughing along with me at Kyle's and the Lisa's reactions to the whole thing. I loved them overrulling the chicken tenders and going with the hot dogs. I loved the whole thing. Man, I wish this show could be focused on these four. I think they'd have a lot of fun together.

 

 

By far, one of my favorite moments of the season - right up there with Vince in the garage window. I loved the entire Burbank Film Festival scene, but my favorite part was the TH reactions to the film. HILARIOUS.

 

I don't have much to say about Kim other than that she's super fucked up and Kyle should separate herself from her at this point. Kim's body language during the lunch with Eileen said volumes. She's acting like a wild animal whose been trapped in a corner. Not good. And, yes, Kyle has old lady hands. 

 

[Diane Mars]

These stories in the press were about Gigi, not Bella. They had to do with some New Year's Eve partying that went down in Dubai, and weren't even reported on until early this year, months after this filmed...

Ho, yes, you're right ! My bad !

[zoeysmom]

I think it is safe to say Kim is not using Lidocaine patches as they do not have any effect on one's awareness.  How sad is it that Kim picked Brandi as her best friend?  Equally sad is Kim wanting kudos for summoning up the courage to confide in Brandi.  I do think it is healthy (especially for Kim's family members) that she is trying to find a friend but I think she should have tried a sober friend. 

 

I feel for Kim that she has wrapped her whole world around this idea that she has bullet proof sobriety.  From Kim's first interview with Andy I always thought her sobriety was tenuous at best.  My guess is Kim has stopped watching the episodes-that is her go to defense mechanism. 

[walnutqueen]

Kim is in total denial, and it may just be the death of her. 

 

Brandi is an insufferable hosebeast.

 

I don't enjoy watching either of them - never have.

[Pickles]

How has this season turned into the Kim Richards show? The one I am the least interested in has taken over the entire show.

[Leroux]

Brandi didn't say anything about what kind of patch it was.  There are a few others it could be.  Both OTC and Lidocaine patches are out there for pain.

 

Let's hope it's one of those.

 

I thought both "more than you know" and calling Kyle at 2AM meant suicide talk.  Lipsa really talked nicely to Brandi to her face, digging for information, it's only been to other women and to the camera that she's been critical.  I did think it was a good sign that Brandi asked if Lipsa could talk to Kyle on Kim's behalf.

 

Exactly, if it was a nicotine patch or any other kind of patch Brandi wouldn't have bothered to even mentioned it. The glee on her face and the twinkle in her eye from that scene reminded me of other times when Brandi has revealed damaging information about others (Adrienne, Kim,Lisa, Joyce), Brandi knew what she was doing, she wanted to put it out there and so she did. 

 

Kim's crazy behavior can't be attributed to a nicotine patch, so the only assumption one has to make is that this is a Fentanyl patch that she is "borrowing" from Monty. The only reason why this morning we are even talking about a patch is because Brandi mentioned it, the only reason why we are talking about Kim commiting suicide is because Brandi mentioned it, the only reason why we have been talking about this 2:00 a.m. phone calls were obviously very private information has been revealed is because Brandi mentioned it. Brandi has put all this information about Kim on center stage, it is not like it wasn't obvious, it is just the hypocresy of Brandi being the one revealing it while chastising Kyle.

 

For someone like Brandi who declared last week that she wanted to protect Kim from her evil sister and that she would not allow Kyle to use her sister's addictions for a story line, Brandi sure has done a heck of a job letting us know all kind of information about Kim.

 

As if that was not enough, she has used Kim's adictions to get the heat off of her and pretend that her drunken behavior is nothing compared to what Kim goes through, now for the likes of it she is asking LisaR to host an intervention for Kim, LisaR who is not even close to Kim, wouldn't Brandi as the nominated BFF and the one who has her back would be the one who should host an intervention for her BFF Kim? and for all she has said that intervention should be off camera and without giving anybody a hint about it because that is what BFFs do? I bet my bottom dollar that Brandi goes running to Kim and tells her everything that LisaR said but conveniently forgets to tell her about the information she revealed and how she is the one who suggested the intervention to begin with.

 

Kim is nothing but a pawn in Brandi's twisted mind games, yet she is probably fortunate to live in la la land where she imagines she has a best friend who truly cares for her, Kim is oblivious to anything and everything that doesn't go with her agenda and Brandi has manipulated the shit out of her but Kim has been so nasty that she deserves exactly that. All her precious secrets, all her dirty laundry, all her addictions taking front and center stage just because a woman like Brandi figures that she needs to be the heroine of the season.

 

Kim is a selfish, unloyal and nasty addict but Brandi is a manipulative, conniving,  POS who is using an addict to make herself relevant in  a show where she has managed to allienate her other cast members. I don't feel sorry for either of them. They deserve each other.

[ryebread]

I am actually beginning to get a little uncomfortable with Lisa R and her interest in Kim's issues. She is 100% correct, yet I cannot get past a strange feeling I got when she was going on and on about it. Am I crazy?

 

I felt the same way when they were in the limo on the way home from the poker party. 

 

The interview guy got the name of her show wrong

 

I used to work in NYC with the interview guy and his twin brother.  Both hail from W. Bloomfield, MI.  We have mutual friends to this day.  Fun to see him.  Smarmy then, smarmy now.  He and his brother were both well liked but were a lot like Jax from SUR,  if you know what I mean.  One of them, I can't remember which, was the body double for Richard Gere (in the movie and/or on the poster - I can't remember what he told me) for Pretty Woman.  Don't ask me why Richard Gere would need a body double back then.

[ryebread]

Regarding what Brandi said to Yolanda regarding Bella's DUI, I read -really- worst than what she told Yolanda ! I read in some gossip sites that she was using coke, too, and that she went to Dubaï as a high end prostitute with one of the Jenner (Kyle ? I'm not sure now)... So Brandi was not lying regarding what "people" said. Of course, it doesn't mean that's true, but yes, it was written. And I think that was her point here. Not a good defense system, I agree, but I really don't think she's as bad as she's perceived on this board.

Another thing : when she was having this discussion with Lipsa, she didn't said that Kim was or wasn't an addict or that she did / didn't relapse, she said that as long as Kim won't tell her she has a problem / needs her help, she won't be able to do anything, as she's not a professionnal nor her sober coach (I summarize, but that's what I get from this conversation)

One last thing : quite everybody here is OK with the fact that there are some fonctioning addicts (i.e. alcoholics) but no one is accepting that, maybe, Kyle could be one of them...

Wow ! it wasn't my intent to be the advocate of Brandi but, it sounds like it, lol !

(And I LOVED the Burbank Int'l Film Festival, lol ! )

 

Whether she meant the other Hos were talking about Bella or the tabs were, is something I can't determine by what I saw.  But the way Yolanda makes it seem that she's okay with her teen son going to a beach party where there was lots of booze, Bella's DUI and her friendship with boozy Brandi - I can see the Hos gossiping about Yolanda's perfect kids and how they're headed for trouble.  No one is immune from the wagging tongues. Yolanda has a target on her back because up until the time she had to cop to Bella's DUI, she wants everyone to see perfection.

 

Gossiping about each other?  Sure. I can see Kyle chatting this very morning with Yolanda about how disheveled and bratty Lisa Rinna's daughter was last night in comparison to their own Better Versions of Themselves.  LOL.  NO ONE is immune.  So, yeah.  Maybe Brandi meant the other Hos were the ones talking about Bella.

[Satchels of gold]

So Brandi is tired after 6 months? Try a lifetime , like Kyle then let me know how eager you are for those 2am phone calls. And Kyle was correct Brandi threw Kim under the bus in the guise of concern.