S05.E13: Sister Act

[SoCal4Us]

Maybe this has already been stated, but do you think Bravo is downplaying Kyle and Lisar's friendship so Lisar can be Kyle's defender and somewhat mouthpiece regarding Kim?  Don't get me wrong I like Lisar as of now lol.

[Umbelina]

Yes, I do.  I have from the beginning.

[jinjer]

I can actually buy that Kyle and Kim drank similar amounts on many, many occasions. Mostly because I don't think Kim actually drinks all that much more than the average aging party girl. Think of it this way. Kim and Kyle and whoever go out and everybody has 3ish glasses of wine. Kyle hasn't taken any drugs and ate breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So after her 3rd or 4th glass she's drunk, but not out of control. Drunk like she's extra silly, shouldn't drive home, and will probably have a hang over, but she's aware of what's going on, is aware of the fact that she's been drinking and should act accordingly, and will remember the night in the morning. Well Kim, had a little nose candy pre-party complete with a few downers to even out and hasn't eaten since 1978 so by the time she's had her 3rd glass of wine (heck maybe even the 2nd) she's a full blown psycho mess. Life is unfair like that.

ITA.  And I think Kim resents it.  Kyle can drink, maybe even get tipsy or drunk and still have a good life and not be an alcoholic/have addiction issues.  And she has been pedaling the story that Kyle drinks a lot since season 1 and now has Brandi carrying that torch.  But Brandi should be smart enough to see the similarity in the criticism that people level against her.  So what?  Right Brandi?  You drink and say, "I am an adult, I don't have a problem. So what?"  Why can't it be the same for Kyle.  (Well except Kyle holds it together on camera vis-a-vis drinking pretty much!).

Edited February 8, 2015 by jinjer

[WireWrap]

Keeping it away from Bravo cameras is not the same as "keeping it secret."  It's dealing with it privately, with friends, family, doctors, not making sure your sister looks like an ass for people who watch Bravo.

 

I tried to rewatch the beginning of the fight, but BRAVO.com seriously sucks.  I wanted to count how many times Kyle grabs Brandi, and now I'd like to see if Brandi only said she was putting Kim in the car to the camera, or if she said it to Kyle too.  I thought she did.  She definitely didn't have her purse though, while Kim had hers as she was leaving.  It's possible she didn't bring one.

 

I'm not excusing either Kim or Brandi here, I simply believe that Kyle is equally at fault, and her behavior was just as bad.  As I've said before, they were all being assholes.

 

ETA

I specifically said she should have gone to check on Kim PRIVATELY, without making it a scene for a television show.  Of course she had a right to be worried, and I never implied she didn't.  I feel that she wanted it on camera, and wanted to look like "the good, concerned, worried sister of the bad, problem sister."

Other than the bathroom, there was no place else to talk to Kim off camera and Brandi would not let her anywhere near Kim! There were only 2 limos (both with cameras), what was Kyle to do, take the second limo and follow Kim home, leaving Lisa R stranded at Eileen's house to call a cab, call and wait for a taxi herself so she could follow Kim home or try and figure it out right there and then?  She made a decision to discuss it there, on camera but off mic. She kept whispering and telling Kim to cover her mic and whisper, it was Kim that refused to do that and having it end up on mic is on Kim and to a lesser degree Brandi, not Kyle IMO.

 

 LOL These sisters will drive us all crazy sooner than later! LOL

[Umbelina]

This is the scene I'm looking forward to.

 

On some upcoming episode, if not the next one. 

 

Is that Brandi Kim is sitting next to or Adrienne? 

 

Also, notice the hand that moves and gets more of the wine than Kim?  A waiter maybe?

 

I keep thinking that's Eileen trying to grab Lipsa, is she taller?  The only one I see for sure is Lisa.

 

Kim's quick!

[jinjer]

Who pulls her away and who is still sitting with their back to the camera when she is being pulled away.  I have to believe that is Eileen who couldn't (?) give 2 fucks as usual.

[Lola16]

I think Brandi's issue is that she has anxiety issues, and after taking her medicine for that, while filming for RHBH she also drinks.  Stupid.

 

Kim said Kyle drinks like a fish too, way back in season one.  It's possible Kyle has a higher tolerance, or that it manifests (for her) with anger (ala last episode) or ponytail swinging.

 

In other words, I can believe Kyle hits the booze often and hard, but she's one of those who can, somewhat, control her behavior and not appear sloppy, or at least has the sense to control it on camera.

I think Kyle likes to drink too.  I don't think she's a drunk or an alcoholic.  I do think though that she should cut back on how much she drinks at filmed events since she seems to be more emotional when inebriated. 

 

I agree that Brandi has an issue with prescription pills and booze.  I also think Brandi has unresolved issues period and doesn't see a need to improve herself.  Because it's everyone else at fault.  Right. 

 

Kyle should have known Brandi would show up at her gay mixer.  And like many other posters have stated, she should have greeted Brandi and quickly ditched her.  Remain unavailable for Brandi and Kim.  Let them bring it or get bored and leave.

[Umbelina]

That glass looks like it could have shattered and done some serious damage.

 

Anyone have any guesses as to the others that are there?  I only see the Lisas and Kim for sure. 

 

At least we know why Kyle and Lipsa are friends now.  Similar tempers.

 

Yes, in answer to the question to me above, as I said, she could have called a cab, or Mauricio, or another limo.  She wasn't trapped there.  Left on some pretense, gone to Kim's house, checked on her and talked with her privately.  AWAY from the cameras.

Edited February 9, 2015 by Umbelina

[FozzyBear]

ITA. And I think Kim resents it. Kyle can drink, maybe even get tipsy or drunk and still have a good life and not be an alcoholic/have addiction issues. And she has been pedaling the story that Kyle drinks a lot since season 1 and now has Brandi carrying that torch. But Brandi should be smart enough to see the similarity in the criticism that people level against her. So what? Right Brandi? You drink and say, "I am an adult, I don't have a problem. So what?" Why can't it be the same for Kyle. (Well except Kyle holds it together on camera vis-a-vis drinking pretty much!).

I think for a lot of people one of the hardest thing to accept about addiction is there isn't this formula you can apply. It means different things to different people at different times so there isn't really any point of trying to compare your behavior to anyone else. If your drinking/using is impacting your life, then it is. If someone else's isnt, than it isn't. Everybody else isn't the point. I believe Kim when she implies that she was drinking more or less the same as everybody else. Other people got a good night sleep, ate dinner, didn't take drugs, have different tolerances.

Now Brandi does really seem to drink more than the other women and on more occassions. What that means? I don't know, but I do think she drinks more than those around her. And not like 1 glass more, several glasses more.

[WireWrap]

Is that Brandi Kim is sitting next to or Adrienne? 

 

Also, notice the hand that moves and gets more of the wine than Kim?  A waiter maybe?

 

I keep thinking that's Eileen trying to grab Lipsa, is she taller?  The only one I see for sure is Lisa.

 

Kim's quick!

Brandi is seated next to Kim in that clip.

[SFoster21]

Keeping it away from Bravo cameras is not the same as "keeping it secret." It's dealing with it privately, with friends, family, doctors, not making sure your sister looks like an ass for people who watch Bravo.

I tried to rewatch the beginning of the fight, but BRAVO.com seriously sucks. I wanted to count how many times Kyle grabs Brandi, and now I'd like to see if Brandi only said she was putting Kim in the car to the camera, or if she said it to Kyle too. I thought she did. She definitely didn't have her purse though, while Kim had hers as she was leaving. It's possible she didn't bring one.

I'm not excusing either Kim or Brandi here, I simply believe that Kyle is equally at fault, and her behavior was just as bad. As I've said before, they were all being assholes.

ETA

I specifically said she should have gone to check on Kim PRIVATELY, without making it a scene for a television show. Of course she had a right to be worried, and I never implied she didn't. I feel that she wanted it on camera, and wanted to look like "the good, concerned, worried sister of the bad, problem sister."

Bully for her!

[Umbelina]

Brandi is seated next to Kim in that clip.

Thanks.

 

She's ruined her face so much it did look like Adrienne to me.  STAWP Brandi!

[thewhiteowl]

 

 

Yes, in answer to the question to me above, as I said, she could have called a cab, or Mauricio, or another limo.  She wasn't trapped there.  Left on some pretense, gone to Kim's house, checked on her and talked with her privately.  AWAY from the cameras.

 

 Kim made her choices, to take Marty's meds and come to the party and be on camera. I don't think it's Kyle's job to clean up the mess but Kyle probably does.  I still don't understand WTF Brandi was doing. Did she really think Kyle was going to beat Kim's ass? Or was she just protecting Kim from the consequences of Kim's own actions?  Isn't that the job she's bitching about Kyle not doing? lol Kyle didn't have much of a chance that night.

[Umbelina]

Rather than make an embarrassing scene, IF Kyle was so concerned about her sister (which I doubt, I think that is all for the cameras) then YES, she could have followed her home and talked it out without cameras.  I would have.  Then again, I loved my sister, and would never have deliberately tried to get her to further humiliate herself when she was trying to do the right thing and go home.

[thewhiteowl]

Rather than make an embarrassing scene, IF Kyle was so concerned about her sister (which I doubt, I think that is all for the cameras) then YES, she could have followed her home and talked it out without cameras.  I would have.  Then again, I loved my sister, and would never have deliberately tried to get her to further humiliate herself when she was trying to do the right thing and go home.

 

 I probably would as well but then I don't get paid to be on a TV show. They do.

[charming]

Gee, all these months later, Brandi and Kim don't give a single solitary fuck about what they've said about Kyle and her marriage/character on camera either. Funny how they just get pass after pass. Those poor sweet little victims.

 

So now the theory is Lisa R is the mouthpiece for Kyle when she talks about addiction? How about Lisa was on the receiving end of Kim's tirade in the limo to Eileen's? How about Lisa was subjected to Kim and Brandi's insults the entire night? How about Kim started screaming at Lisa R in the driveway demanding to be told what she said to Kyle about the limo ride? Lisa is a participant on a reality show where things happen and they are expected to comment on it. She has more than earned the right to speak her opinion about the behavior she's witnessed. She's not obligated to shove her head in the sand and pretend Kim's sober or her behavior is okay. Nor if she expresses an opinion about what she's experienced does it mean she's Kyle's mouthpiece.

 

I'm so tired of Brandi and Kim saying whatever they want but God forbid anyone say anything about their behavior. Everyone is supposed to pity and protect them.  Eileen can never ever call Brandi crazy after she had wine thrown in her face for no reason That's just cruel to label. WTF.

[Umbelina]

Gee, all these months later, Brandi and Kim don't give a single solitary fuck about what they've said about Kyle and her marriage/character on camera either. Funny how they just get pass after pass. Those poor sweet little victims.

They are being raked over the coals, it's Kyle that is getting the pass.

 

As I said, they were all being assholes.  Kyle is no victim, she brings it all on herself.

[LotusFlower]

Keeping it away from Bravo cameras is not the same as "keeping it secret."  It's dealing with it privately, with friends, family, doctors, not making sure your sister looks like an ass for people who watch Bravo.

Yes, keeping something off-camera is the same thing as hiding a secret. Private vs. public. And Kim is the only one making herself look like an ass on TV. Drinking and drugging will do that.

[SoCal4Us]

Gee, all these months later, Brandi and Kim don't give a single solitary fuck about what they've said about Kyle and her marriage/character on camera either. Funny how they just get pass after pass. Those poor sweet little victims.

 

So now the theory is Lisa R is the mouthpiece for Kyle when she talks about addiction? How about Lisa was on the receiving end of Kim's tirade in the limo to Eileen's? How about Lisa was subjected to Kim and Brandi's insults the entire night? How about Kim started screaming at Lisa R in the driveway demanding to be told what she said to Kyle about the limo ride? Lisa is a participant on a reality show where things happen and they are expected to comment on it. She has more than earned the right to speak her opinion about the behavior she's witnessed. She's not obligated to shove her head in the sand and pretend Kim's sober or her behavior is okay. Nor if she expresses an opinion about what she's experienced does it mean she's Kyle's mouthpiece.

 

I'm so tired of Brandi and Kim saying whatever they want but God forbid anyone say anything about their behavior. Everyone is supposed to pity and protect them.  Eileen can never ever call Brandi crazy after she had wine thrown in her face for no reason That's just cruel to label. WTF.

 

I'm the one who said "somewhat mouthpiece" lol...because I'm wondering why Kyle and Lisar's friendship hasn't really been mentioned (of course I could have missed it).  I do think Lisar does speak her mind and her direct approach is refreshing on this show.

[WireWrap]

I'm the one who said "somewhat mouthpiece" lol...because I'm wondering why Kyle and Lisar's friendship hasn't really been mentioned (of course I could have missed it).  I do think Lisar does speak her mind and her direct approach is refreshing on this show.

First episode, the White Party, Lisa R told us that she and Harry have been going to them since Kyle started throwing them when it was just a few friends in the backyard. So, Yes, she did talk about them being friends for years.

Edited February 9, 2015 by WireWrap

[zoeysmom]

Rather than make an embarrassing scene, IF Kyle was so concerned about her sister (which I doubt, I think that is all for the cameras) then YES, she could have followed her home and talked it out without cameras.  I would have.  Then again, I loved my sister, and would never have deliberately tried to get her to further humiliate herself when she was trying to do the right thing and go home.

Kim wasn't trying to go home -Brandi was forcing her to go home.  Big difference.  Kyle took Kim out of  the thick of it-there is nothing Kim or Kyle did embarrassing (out on the driveway) until Brandi kept interrupting.  Brandi was the one that wanted it played out on cameras and was trying to manage the filming and the motor pool.  It is pretty much a given if Kim would have gone off solo in a camera rigged limo that there was no way Rinna, Kyle and Brandi would ride together.

 

Kim needed to rehabilitate her earlier behavior not be swept out of there like she was being packed off to the psych ward.

[ryebread]

Brandi tweeted on Friday a picture of a Fed Ex envelope and the following:

Brandi Glanville @BrandiGlanville 
Feb 6   
Next episode of #RHOBH has arrived I think I will have a great wknd then watch   #ulcer

 

Must be a doozy.

 

Funny how they just get pass after pass. Those poor sweet little victims.

 

Are we reading the same forum? There are a small handful of members here who, despite their disgust with Brandi and Kim, will once in a while voice an opinion about someone OTHER than Brandi and Kim.  They are certainly in the minority of that I'm certain most would agree. 

 

Myself being one of them -  I purposely try to switch it up because sometimes, for me, it's tiresome to read page after page about Brandi and Kim.  Variety.  It's spicy.

 

I think it would be interesting to delve into LisaR and Eileen's reactions a little more.  No?  ;-)

[charming]

Are we reading the same forum? There are a small handful of members here who, despite their disgust with Brandi and Kim, will once in a while voice an opinion about someone OTHER than Brandi and Kim.  They are certainly in the minority of that I'm certain most would agree. 

 

Yes, we're reading the same forum. I thought I would post my opinion as well. There are tons of posts [boards on boards!] scolding people for being too hard on Kim and Brandi because they're addicts, have mental illness or are victims of Kyle. Andy and Bravo are responsible for their actions. They're being exploited and taken advantage of by everyone. They're desperate and need money so they have no other choice but to cause pain and throw wine at people. Whenever Brandi screams at you and makes personal comments about your marriage or character you're always to be the bigger person and never respond.

 

When there's a break from Brandi and Kim, Lisa Vanderpump is having sex with her dogs or her swans or both. She's eagerly waiting for Ken to die. They're broke. Max is from an affair Ken had. They both hate Max. Ken had an affair with Cedric. Lisa is jealous of Kyle and Maurico's wealth. Lisa's in her late 60s/early 70s. Ken has dementia. They abuse their housekeepers.

 

It's well rounded.

[zoeysmom]

Brandi tweeted on Friday a picture of a Fed Ex envelope and the following:

 

Must be a doozy.

 

 

Are we reading the same forum? There are a small handful of members here who, despite their disgust with Brandi and Kim, will once in a while voice an opinion about someone OTHER than Brandi and Kim.  They are certainly in the minority of that I'm certain most would agree. 

 

Myself being one of them -  I purposely try to switch it up because sometimes, for me, it's tiresome to read page after page about Brandi and Kim.  Variety.  It's spicy.

 

I think it would be interesting to delve into LisaR and Eileen's reactions a little more.  No?  ;-)

I think Lisar will forever rue the day she called the sacred Kim Richards an addict.  Just as Eileen will be forever scorned for calling Brandi out.  I must say I did appreciate Eileen's comment about hosing them off.   

[Umbelina]

Hosing them off was great!  Was that on the spot or just a talking head?

[zoeysmom]

Hosing them off was great!  Was that on the spot or just a talking head?

Eileen said it at the event to the Lisas.  I bet if the producers looked they could find more of that type of comment instead of the other stuff they focus on.  These new ladies are a good with Lisa V.

[hypnotoad]

 

I have to believe that is Eileen who couldn't (?) give 2 fucks as usual.

 

Who can blame her? I mean realistically, Eileen really doesn't know these women all that well. I think it's hard to be invested in an issue or discussion when you haven't been involved in it from the beginning. Lisa R knows Kyle well, but not the rest of these women. I think both end up being the voice of reason (generally speaking) because right now they are neutral. If they both come back next season, I'd guess some of that will be gone.

 

Kim made a choice to show up at the Poker party messed up on a pill (or more likely pills). She knew damn well there would be cameras present. She knew there was a camera in the limo with Lisa R. She already made a complete ass of herself during that ride. She also made a complete ass of herself during the poker game all without Kyle's help. Kim was leaving after the relatively calm bathroom talk with Kyle, but just had to stalk back into the house to say goodbye and it's Kyle who is responsible for her being on camera? And Kyle is taking advantage of her sisters issues for the cameras?!? Huh?

 

Brandi decided to stick her nose and body where it did not belong - particularly after Kyle asked more than once to speak to her sister on their own. Brandi decided to blab on and on about Kim's late night calls. Brandi decided to blab on and on about what a crap sister Kyle is because she allegedly doesn't run to Kim side every 5 minutes. Brandi was the one blabbing about Kim's issues in the TH. That was all done on camera. And somehow Kyle is taking advantage?

 

I think Kyle should have let it go during the mixer party and just let Brandi be Brandi. But she just isn't smart enough not to fall into that trap. Brandi should not have been at that party, but Kyle could easily have avoided a fight. Frankly, they all behaved badly.

 

I wonder if anyone has apologized to Eileen for making her party an absolute mess? My guess is no.

[motorcitymom65]

First episode, the White Party, Lisa R told us that she and Harry have been going to them since Kyle started throwing them when it was just a few friends in the backyard. So, Yes, she did talk about them being friends for years.

Yea, they have both made it clear that they have been real friends for a long time. 

 

I don't think that they are playing down the Kyle/Lisa R friendship as much as they are playing up the Lisa R/Lisa V friendship.  It seems to be the new deal on the HW franchises that after a gal has a bad season, she gets a friend the next season. Teresa got Dina, Kenya got Claudia, Alexis got Lydia, Heather D on the OC show is getting a friend this year, and Ramona is also getting one (although from what I understand they are already fighting). Lisa R seemed to be introduced to us more as a friend of Lisa V, which is not any type of a ruse, because they do actually share a warm friendship. They seem to be wanting to highlight this friendship the most right now.  

[English Teacher]

The family dysfunction was indelibly set in stone when Mama Richards, on her death bed, charged Kyle to watch over her sister (IIRC). That is an albatross she will not remove from her neck without significant therapy from a great professional....and that would be a dr, or therapist that would NOT agree to be filmed on this show. She loves her sister and wants her healthy and happy. But she has a family of her own and a business. So maybe she can't be at Kim's beck and call. Brandi is a toxic snake who would be more than happy to see Kim give into the addictive demons again...shed be easier to manipulate and be more pliable. Imagine how many more of lyles sectets she would share to be used as WOMD later in the show or the press. Any one who is a good friend of a recovering addict would not get inebriated every time they are together.l.land I'm pretty sure brandi admitted yeti doing just that. I wish that brandi would just slither back under her rock.

[msblossom]

If Brandi has to brace herself to watch this weeks episode by remarking that it's a #doozy; I imagine most of Kim's Fed Ex envelopes from Bravo must end up in the dustbin unwatched -- unless she watches from Brandi's king sized bed with her hairdresser and a bowl of popcorn and drinks.

[zoeysmom]

The family dysfunction was indelibly set in stone when Mama Richards, on her death bed, charged Kyle to watch over her sister (IIRC). That is an albatross she will not remove from her neck without significant therapy from a great professional....and that would be a dr, or therapist that would NOT agree to be filmed on this show. She loves her sister and wants her healthy and happy. But she has a family of her own and a business. So maybe she can't be at Kim's beck and call. Brandi is a toxic snake who would be more than happy to see Kim give into the addictive demons again...shed be easier to manipulate and be more pliable. Imagine how many more of lyles sectets she would share to be used as WOMD later in the show or the press. Any one who is a good friend of a recovering addict would not get inebriated every time they are together.l.land I'm pretty sure brandi admitted yeti doing just that. I wish that brandi would just slither back under her rock.

I am thinking at this point that Kyle's intent towards caring for Kim is in the healthier range and her days of being Kim beck and call girl have been dialed back.  There are bona fide emergencies that require one's attention at 2 am.  Even issues discussed at 2 am that sound dire are usually a lot less dire sounding when reported to a third party in the light of day and after a few hours sleep.  I cannot tell if Brandi called Kyle in the wee hours of the morning because she was alarmed by Kim's demeanor or if she waited until more appropriate hour.  In spite of the dramatics put out there by Brandi and Kim over the very confidential nature of the subject matter, it all likelihood there is probably nothing more that Kyle can do that Brandi didn't accomplish by listening.

 

I am surprised that Kim and Brandi have bonded as friends.  Brandi's successes over the past three years have been all about broadcasting the most intimate details of her life and others that are or were close to her.  Kim by contrast has been very secretive and carried the mother of all grudges over the outing of her very obvious substance abuse problems.  Kim will at the end of her journey with RHOBH probably forever regret befriending Brandi.  Of course these days I feel like Kim seems to be experiencing Korsakoff's Syndrome.    

 

If Brandi has to brace herself to watch this weeks episode by remarking that it's a #doozy; I imagine most of Kim's Fed Ex envelopes from Bravo must end up in the dustbin unwatched -- unless she watches from Brandi's king sized bed with her hairdresser and a bowl of popcorn and drinks.

Hopefully, since she posted that before she watched her scenes will be limited.  Of course this is the week she alienates Yolanda.  I am almost beginning to believe that Brandi thought Lisa being alienated by the rest of the cast last season was good for Lisa's career.  So far she seems to have done her best to alienate everyone on the cast and I am including Kim.  Obviously a rationale person would be displeased with Brandi for interfering between sisters.  Instead Brandi treats it as a foreign concept.

 

Just a little note on Brandi's sisterly love concept-last month Brandi was tweeting away asking for prayers because her BIL had fallen and hit his head and was in ICU.  This past week she was sending prayers her sister's way due to her having hip surgery.  As a good sister shouldn't Brandi be there for her?????  Or did Brandi realize she has a duty to her work commitments and her children to be there for them.  

[msblossom]

Yeah, it doesn't work both ways does it? But, hey now, after all Brandi is a single mother and she gets a pass on her sisterly duties, don'tcha know zoeysmom?

[motorcitymom65]

I don't know that this has been discussed, and I'm NOT sure I can do a good job of explaining my point but....When Brandi reveals that she's worried about 2am calls from Kim Kyle is mad at Brandi for putting that on camera -the fact that Kim needs 2am help. Kyle says sarcastically something like "oh what else has she done" or "why don't you just tell us more about that" to make the point that if Brandi is airing this dirty on camera she's no friend to Kim.

Kim and Brandi are so dense (high? In denial? Self centered?) that they think Kyle WANTS Kim's dirty laundry aired, when in fact Kyke is trying to get Kim to wake up and see Brandi is no friend because she's putting Kim's problems out there.

Did I even make sense? Kim and Brandi totally misinterpreted Kyle, or am I?

Yes it makes sense, but it was totally lost on both Brandi and Kim.  They didn't get that Kyle was trying to call attention to the fact that Brandi had outed the fact that Kim was making these middle of the night phone calls. To make Kim aware that she should question the fact that Brandi is doing this. But that won't work at this point because Brandi has been whispering sweet nothings in her ear: I am the one who understands you. I am the one who is here for you. I am the one answering the phone at 2am. I don't want you to fail.  

 

In retrospect, I think the thing that is so interesting is that Brandi keeps bringing the calls up. She did it at the Poker Game, then again at the gay mixer deal. She seems to be very intent on getting this information out there, but for what purpose? I cannot imagine that she thinks it is good for Kim to have folks ruminating about this. As much as Kim's behavior makes me wonder about her sobriety, the fact that she is calling Brandi at 2AM does the same. Brandi can try to put this on Kyle all day long, but for the most part, Brandi is the one who is "outing" Kim this time around.  

[beaker73]

I don't know that this has been discussed, and I'm NOT sure I can do a good job of explaining my point but....When Brandi reveals that she's worried about 2am calls from Kim Kyle is mad at Brandi for putting that on camera -the fact that Kim needs 2am help. Kyle says sarcastically something like "oh what else has she done" or "why don't you just tell us more about that" to make the point that if Brandi is airing this dirty on camera she's no friend to Kim.

Kim and Brandi are so dense (high? In denial? Self centered?) that they think Kyle WANTS Kim's dirty laundry aired, when in fact Kyke is trying to get Kim to wake up and see Brandi is no friend because she's putting Kim's problems out there.

Did I even make sense? Kim and Brandi totally misinterpreted Kyle, or am I?

It makes perfect sense and I caught that as well.    Brandi has yapped about these 2am phone calls repeatedly--on camera.  Kim is just too dense or blind to catch on to what Brandi's doing. 

[streetfairie]

I don't know that this has been discussed, and I'm NOT sure I can do a good job of explaining my point but....When Brandi reveals that she's worried about 2am calls from Kim Kyle is mad at Brandi for putting that on camera -the fact that Kim needs 2am help. Kyle says sarcastically something like "oh what else has she done" or "why don't you just tell us more about that" to make the point that if Brandi is airing this dirty on camera she's no friend to Kim.

Kim and Brandi are so dense (high? In denial? Self centered?) that they think Kyle WANTS Kim's dirty laundry aired, when in fact Kyle is trying to get Kim to wake up and see Brandi is no friend because she's putting Kim's problems out there.

Did I even make sense? Kim and Brandi totally misinterpreted Kyle, or am I?

No, that is totally how I saw it as well. Especially when you see Kyle look at Kim immediately with the incredulous look of 'see what she is saying?'.  Neither Kim, nor Brandi, realized it at all.  

[zoeysmom]

By Brandi continuing to bring up the 2am phone calls and accuse Kyle of trying to out Kim, she has created her perfect storm of Season 3, where everyone talks about how awful it was what Brandi said, but no one will say what Brandi said.

 

As it stands now we are left wondering if it was something dire and Kyle blowing it off made her the worst person in America or if it something albeit private that was out of Kyle's hands.  Just because Kyle didn't think she could not help Kim with whatever Kim was bending Brandi's ear about does not mean Kyle is out of the helping Kim market forever.   Brandi is treating it as if it were some sudden death play off and not responding to Kim forever puts her off the list of people to call when Kim needs help.  If Brandi was so distraught over Kyle not responding why not say something at the time.  I think it was simply that Brandi had endured the phone call or calls and when Kim needed help she defaulted back to Kyle and Brandi wasn't going to put up with being marginalized by Kim.  So Kim seeing Brandi is upset throws Kyle under the bus and Brandi  concocts this only for the camera pile of dung.  Because dragging Kim around like she is a blithering fool doesn't call any attention to her condition at all or defusing the situation with a slurred nonsensical explanation of Kim's being under pressure. 

[psychoticstate]

I've said this before but I feel like I need to say it again after nearly every episode.  I used to be a fan of Kim's.  I was excited to see her when this franchise began and every year, she's losing me a bit more.  After last week's epi and this first look, I just can't with her any longer.  She is fucking exhausting.  She's nearly 50 years old and it's time that she grows up.  She's not a child anymore and she is fully responsible for whatever choices she makes.  Yeah, she was screwed by Big Kathy and her fiance that was murdered - - I have sympathy for that.  But Kim is toxic, period.  Kyle will always be her kicking post whenever she needs one.

 

Kyle needs to be able to walk away from Kim whenever she sees her going into these "moods."  Instead of playing right into her hands and following her around, crying and wanting to know what she did.  Don't give her that satisfaction.  Just say "whatever, Kim" and move on.  Or tell her flat out she's not playing games anymore and Kim can leave.  What Brandi is doing is horrible but Kyle plays right into it.  If she would learn not to give in to whatever Kim and Brandi are saying, Kyle would realize they would stop.  She's the mother of 4 girls.  Surely she's seen her own girls play a version of this game.  All kids try it at some time to get their siblings riled up.

 

I can't fault Kyle for bringing Kim into this - - maybe in the past Kim has managed to stay clean and/or keep her drinking under control when she was working.  This could have been a good opportunity and gig for Kim.  But seeing the way she is now, she really needs to get off tv and get into rehab.

 

On a more positive note, I absolutely love LisaR and Eileen.  FINALLY, people that aren't willing to tiptoe around the b.s. that Kim and Brandi bring.  YoFo has paid lip service in the past to how women are unattractive when they are totally drunk but she has never called Kim or Brandi on it.  Maybe she will now that Brandi brings Bella into her fuckery.  

[Petunia13]

People keep posting "Lisar" is that Lisa R- Lisa Rinna? Or Lisa Vanderpump who pronounces her name and all ones that end with an "A" as an "r" (Yolandar)?

[Tara Ariano]

Fallout from drama at Kyle's mixer finds the women scrutinizing Brandi's influence over Kim; the ladies attend Eileen's movie premiere; Lisa Vanderpump's son receives his genealogy test results; and the Richards sisters gather to discuss their problems.

[motorcitymom65]

People keep posting "Lisar" is that Lisa R- Lisa Rinna? Or Lisa Vanderpump who pronounces her name and all ones that end with an "A" as an "r" (Yolandar)?

I am thinking these are Vulture fans. The fabulous Brian Moylan, who recaps the show for Vulture, proclaimed at the beginning of the season that we would refer to Lisa R as Lisar to keep the two Lisa's straight. It looks like it has moved over to this site as well. 

 

Anyone who is not reading Vulture (NY Magazine) recaps of this show is truly missing out. The commentary is outstanding, and he interacts with the folks posting comments for the first couple of days. A true delight each week. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

I don't know that this has been discussed, and I'm NOT sure I can do a good job of explaining my point but....When Brandi reveals that she's worried about 2am calls from Kim Kyle is mad at Brandi for putting that on camera -the fact that Kim needs 2am help. Kyle says sarcastically something like "oh what else has she done" or "why don't you just tell us more about that" to make the point that if Brandi is airing this dirty on camera she's no friend to Kim.

 

Yes, this is exactly what happened. I agree with those who say that Kim is really the main culprit in this whole clusterfuck. Kim clearly has so much resentment towards Kyle that she is unwilling to own in a direct way. So, she tells Kyle, "We've been best friends all our lives" to her face but secretly resents that Kyle isn't there more and absolutely loves that creepy weirdo enabler Brandi is willing to say it.

Edited February 10, 2015 by PhilMarlowe2

[HumblePi]

There's so many 'DDs' (diva-dynamics) at work here, and of course Bravo is the catalyst for all the dynamics. Bravo is the stimulus that motivates these women. Kim, Kyle, Brandi and Lisa V are all players in this game and each of them needs the spotlight and attention, even if it's negative attention. Kim deflects to protect herself. She doesn't want to be 'called out' on National television as being an addict. So she projects whenever she feels that her addiction(s) are close to being disclosed. She'll deflect accusations back to Kyle. "It's you that did that,etc". In the real world, Brandi wouldn't be a fake friend to Kim just for camera time and Kim wouldn't have Brandi as her enabler. If Brandi didn't have Bravo and the Housewives show, what would she do? She's too old to go back to modeling and I doubt she has any real talent. That would leave Kyle alone to deal with Kim. And by the way, where are Kim's adult, grown-up children? Aren't they concerned about their mother? Aren't they what should be there for her, supporting her or confronting her if she's fallen off the wagon of sobriety?

 

Sometime, the quest for fame and notoriety is a double-edged sword. On one hand yes, they get the attention, the big paychecks and the exposure on National television that they're so thirsty for.  But at what cost? If, in the end. it costs them their own dignity, reputation and respect then they may wonder if it was worth it all for their 15 minutes of fame.

[HumblePi]

Yes, this is exactly what happened. I agree with those who say that Kim is really the main culprit in this whole clusterfuck. Kim clearly has so much resentment towards Kyle that she is unwilling to own in a direct way. So, she tells Kyle, "We've been best friends all our lives" to her face but secretly resents that Kyle isn't there more and absolutely loves that creepy weirdo enabler Brandi is willing to say it.

I have the distinct feeling that it's not so much resentment that Kim has towards Kyle but actual fear. Kim can't fool Kyle like she can fool others. At this point, if Kim accepts Kyles help, that would mean that she would have to be willing to follow through with what's best for her, getting help and staying sober. Kim really doesn't want that at all, she wants what she has and what she is. She doesn't want to change for Kyle or her own children or for herself. I think that's why she continually pushes Kyle away and why she keeps Brandi close, because Brandi is an enabler.

[breezy424]

Yeah, I think it's a combination of both fear and resentment.  Kim may have had more fame than Kyle growing up but in the end,  Kyle got the happy ending.  Kim is both jealous and resentful of this.  So is Brandi.  Then add that Kyle is Kim's truth cannon.  She knows, after so many years, that Kyle can see through all the BS.  I have no doubt that Kim 'does' love Kyle but she can't deal with the reality.  So, she is at the point of trying to put Kyle down to make her feel better about herself.  Brandi is the perfect foil for this.  Kyle is letting it happen because she is still that insecure and can't walk away.  Kyle is getting close,  Very close.  And I hope she does.  She's not responsible for Kim.  I think Moma bear mode (Kim blaming Alexia for getting bitten by Kingsley)  has put her closer to the line than anything.  It's obvious that Kyle adores her children and Kim's statements about that incident....you don't do that to moma bear.   Brandi doesn't 'get' that either.

Edited February 10, 2015 by breezy424

[SnarkKitty]

Yup, and unlike a lot of the women on this franchise she isn't cruel when she's sober

 

I think Lisa V would disagree. Kim has been shown plenty of times hammering at her for different things, in person and in talking heads. Even to the point of constantly mocking her accent, which would be considered "cruel" if it were done to Kim. Many have noticed and called her out for being like a dog with a bone when it comes to Lisa V. 

[jimene79]

I think Lisa V would disagree. Kim has been shown plenty of times hammering at her for different things, in person and in talking heads. Even to the point of constantly mocking her accent, which would be considered "cruel" if it were done to Kim. Many have noticed and called her out for being like a dog with a bone when it comes to Lisa V. 

 

Her handling of the dog biting her niece shows a pretty mean side too.  Plus, and I've said this elsewhere, I have never seen her do something for anyone else, not even her children.  I thought maybe her relationship with Monty was going to show a new side of her but now it seems again something she did only to benefit herself.  She puts nothing positive into the world.  Even though I may not like all of the other HWs, I think most of them have done something beneficial at one point.   

 

[chlban]

No, that is totally how I saw it as well. Especially when you see Kyle look at Kim immediately with the incredulous look of 'see what she is saying?'.  Neither Kim, nor Brandi, realized it at all.  

Oh I think Brandi realizes it alright. Kim is either too clueless or too stoned/drunk/either-or but Brandi knows exactl what she is doing.

 

Kim and Kyle are both dim bulbs, IMO, but Brandi? That bitch is just evil.

[zoeysmom]

A bit of what is to come.  http://www.inquisitr.com/1829868/real-housewives-star-kyle-richards-brandi-doesnt-care-about-hurting-my-marriage/

 

Who is the imposter pretending to be?

[TexasGal]

When Lisa R is going on about Kim's addiction to Eileen and Lisa V, and she says everyone is covering it up (or whatever she says like that) - it's so funny to me that Lisa V immediately is like WHO'S EVERYONE?!?  Clearly trying to exclude herself from the list.  It seems like she has done stuff like that before although I'm drawing a blank on specifics.  She gets so defensive so fast, and is always trying to make the conversation about her.  I find it amusing when she does stuff like that.  Little cracks in her supposedly cool exterior.

[WireWrap]

Oh I think Brandi realizes it alright. Kim is either too clueless or too stoned/drunk/either-or but Brandi knows exactl what she is doing.

 

Kim and Kyle are both dim bulbs, IMO, but Brandi? That bitch is just evil.

I don't think Kim got it either but I also don't think she cared. As long as she is the one these 2 are fighting over her, she could careless about facts! LOL Brandi on the other hand, knows exactly what she is doing and is loving every minute of it.