Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[peachmangosteen]

26 minutes ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

I strongly disagree--there are words that are racially charged and Julie's calling a person of Latin/Spanish heritage "chiquita" was not just heat of the moment, she meant it in a derogatory way.  Just like telling a black person they're being ghetto or conversely acting uppity or making fun of the shape of an Asian person's eyes, words have power and putting an emphasis on "chiquita" which Julie definitely did was a pointed attack on Gabi's being non-white.

I fully agree. And the way she said it, come on now, that was offensive. I'm surprised they seem to be making Julie racist, especially since it doesn't seem like it's going to be mentioned or anything.

I forgot to mention that I am really over Kate acting morally superior to Gabi. It's completely ridiculous and it makes me hate Kate, which makes me sad.

Edited December 19, 2018 by peachmangosteen

[boes]

1 hour ago, Petunia13 said:

The resemblance is uncanny. 

HAHAHAHAHA!

[plurie]

54 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I fully agree. And the way she said it, come on now, that was offensive. I'm surprised they seem to be making Julie racist, especially since it doesn't seem like it's going to be mentioned or anything.

Julie has a history of being racist. She was opposed to her son David's interracial relationship with Valerie, which is why Val kept Eli a secret from the entire Horton clan. I don't expect that they'll address this latest instance of racism ever again, though.

[TeeVee329]

I liked the way the show set up Gabi getting to the place where she picked up that pillow.  The dream sequence fake-out - a trope I'm kinda sick of and one that Ron definitely overindulged in on "General Hospital" - was actually effective in this case and the follow-up family scenes with Ari and Sonny reasonably, for me, got Gabi to a place where she felt like this was the only option.  And you still could see the indecision and hesitation on her face as she went to do it.  Good stuff, I thought.

There could be...BTS...reasons for it, but there was something a little lame about the two gay dudes being so overdressed in bed while Tripp is strutting around his place he shares with roommates in nothing but boxers.

Kinda liked Claire and Ciara supporting each other re: Julie.

[kitmerlot1213]

24 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I liked the way the show set up Gabi getting to the place where she picked up that pillow.  The dream sequence fake-out - a trope I'm kinda sick of and one that Ron definitely overindulged in on "General Hospital" - was actually effective in this case and the follow-up family scenes with Ari and Sonny reasonably, for me, got Gabi to a place where she felt like this was the only option.  And you still could see the indecision and hesitation on her face as she went to do it.  Good stuff, I thought.

I agree!  CB's playing Gabi with the right amount of guilt and worry regarding Julie's accident and she counteracts that with Gabi's fierce love for her daughter.  How lovely were the family scenes with Gabi, Ari and Sonny?  Of course I wish Will was there but I did like the show highlighting Ari and Gabi's close bond--this is what is stopping Gabi from tipping over into total villainy.

Just like Will's epic yell of "Damnit Brady!" needed to go on loop, I could watch Will punching Leo til the cow's come home and then Sonny shows up to stop Will from hitting Leo again--fabulous :):)

I also like Claire and Ciara comforting each other--the girls need to be aunt/niece again and not fighting over boys--it's beyond obnoxious.

Edited December 19, 2018 by kitmerlot1213

[DaphneCat]

I agree with other posters that at least part of today was tolerable.  Gaby, Claire and Ciara were all acting like actual humans (both good and bad) today.

Maybe it's because I'm sort of bored with the show lately (for all the drama with Julie, you KNOW they aren't going to kill her off) that I'm feeling really critical of some of the plots/characters.  Are we supposed to actually like Sara?  I think she's supposed to come off as somewhat rash and impulsive but basically good hearted, right?  Well after today, I'm really starting to dislike her.  She has been back in town approximately 20 minutes and already knows what is the "right" thing to do for Holly.  She doesn't really know any of the people involved - she's relying on gossip and hearsay.  She wasn't there but feels free to throw things in Cloe's face.  If she was so damn close with her "brother" why was there NEVER any mention of the two of them even being introduced?  

And are they really going to try to turn Eric in to the new Daniel?  He's so wonderful, such a good guy, etc.  Yes, Brady is an asshole, rage-aholic, but he isn't totally wrong about Eric.  Because Eric "had" Nicole first he had a right to cheat with her behind Brady's back?  He has never really acknowledged that he was acting like a complete jack-ass also.  Neither one comes off as very decent at this point.  Also, couldn't it be interpreted that when Nicole told Eric to "take care of Holly" she meant right then, at that moment?  Wasn't Holly with some random stranger at that point?  Also, take care of her is NOT the same thing as completely raise her.  

Maybe it's just my own boredom but I REALLY am not looking forward to another custody battle for another child we will actually only see once every 3 months if that.  Then the kid will be with anyone willing to take it while the custodial parent (who, of course insists the kid, is indeed the most important thing in his/her life) spends a grand total of 20 minutes a week with the kid reading it bedtime stories.

[TeeVee329]

21 minutes ago, DaphneCat said:

Are we supposed to actually like Sara?

I still think Linsey Godfrey is good, but yeah, having a new character come in (which, despite Sarah's pedigree, she pretty much is) and turn history she doesn't know/wasn't there for against characters the audience knows and likes is not a good look.  And I wish they would have more people put her on blast for using this custody battle as a project to distract herself from her Rex heartbreak.

Edited December 19, 2018 by TeeVee329

[Sandman]

 I agree with you about Banus -- she's the best thing -- well, the only good thing -- about these confrontations with Julie. But this?

18 hours ago, boes said:

Show could save itself a lot of money and just replace Chandler Massey with a block of wood.  From his being "drunk" (seriously, Show??, really, that's the BEST he could do?) to his monotone discussion with Kate and finally, to his lackluster "dramatic" moments with Sonny I was expecting Show to send in a medevac team to try and resuscitate him.  Then, when they kissed under the mistletoe, CM looked like he'd superglued his lips shut just to make absolutely sure he didn't get any tongue.

Not seeing this at all. Sorry. For what it's worth, I don't think Will was supposed to be stumbling/falling down drunk, but he definitely came across to me as depressed and inebriated.

BUT I thought the whole "Julie Falls Down Stairs and Babbles! And THEN Becomes Unconscious" was the single stupidest sequence I've seen on this show in a while. These writers obviously know less about medicine than they do about the law. (Or basic physics, really.) Julie falls back towards the staircase and then somehow manages to roll headfirst down the steps like Buttercup somersaulting after Westley down the hillside atop the Cliffs of Insanity? Yeah, no. And she talks incomprehensibly just before falling into her plot-coma? Pretty sure that's not how that works, either. Not that I want Susan Seaforth-Hayes to put herself at some crazy risk, but they couldn't block the sequence for the stuntwoman in a way that doesn't make me roll my eyes to the point of risking my vision? The whole thing just insults the viewers' intelligence.

Edited December 19, 2018 by Sandman

[tribeca]

So many judgy people in this episode. 

Ciara even when you with Tripp you were thinking about Ben so why do you care that Tripp knows how Claire like her eggs? 

Sarah I don’t even like Chloe and that you were way out of line bringing up her past.  

Eric I adore you about Rex wanting to raise his baby is not called.   Sarah dumped him (he cheated so she was right to) he didn’t have to call her and tell her anything.  

Lani looked like she didn’t believe a word Gabi was saying.  

I did love Ciara and Claire bounding      

[Sandman]

22 hours ago, buffynut said:

I know Abigail is now just pretending to be Gabby, but her Gabby is no different from her Abby.  Surely Stefan should be able to tell it's not "his" Gabby

I wasn't even sure that Grabigail was pretending to be "Gabby," so it's nice to have confirmation. Mansi's version seems the same as when she last played Abigail, before the DID, before the breakdown(s). Why is she back again? Miller wasn't my favourite actress, but she was better than this.

[bobcat1946]

6 hours ago, plurie said:

Julie has a history of being racist. She was opposed to her son David's interracial relationship with Valerie, which is why Val kept Eli a secret from the entire Horton clan. I don't expect that they'll address this latest instance of racism ever again, though.

 I am surprised RC would reveal Julie as the racist that she is.

[Guest]

I haven't watch today's episode yet so I don't know exactly what Julie said. I did some research on the word "chiquita". Here's what I found. "chiquita = cutie, honey, little girl. It's a Spanish term of endearment for a woman meaning.  When used as a term of endearment, chiquita can have different meanings depending on the context.  If your significant other or someone who's coming on to you calls you chiquita, it can mean baby, cutie, honey, doll, or any other number of pet names. For example, 

¿Cómo estás, chiquita? - Bien, amor. ¿Y tú?

How are you, baby? - Good, honey. And you?

Chiquita can also be used as a term of endearment in a non-romantic way and can be translated as little one, little girl, little lady, sweetie, honey, etc. For example,

Hola, chiquita. - Hola, papi. ¡Mamá dijo que vamos al parque!

Hey there, little one. - Hi, Daddy. Mommy said we're going to the park!

If someone or something is physically small, people may also refer to them as chiquita. It's a common nickname meaning shorty, little girl, little lady, or small fry. For example,

¿Qué pasó, chiquita? ¿Vamos a pasear?

What's up, little girl? Want to go for a walk?"

In addition,  "Chiquita" song recorded by Swedish pop group ABBA. It was released in January 1979 as the first single from the group's Voulez-Vous album.

Based on my findings, seems to me that this word is commonly used and is non-racial. Does anybody here understand Spanish or come from hispanic countries?

Edited December 19, 2018 by Guest

[Apprentice79]

I disagreed with people saying Julie is a racist because she called Gabi chiquita, it is not a racial slur. She could have easily called Gabi mujercita or muchachita. In Spanish, adding ito and ita at the end of a word, to indicate smallness or affection, for example: mi hermanito means my little brother.  I know Julie is hated on here, but, she is not a racist. She has accepted her black grandson with loving open arms. I know that she did not accept her son David with Valerie, but she has evolved. Plus, she was a product of her time. 

Edited December 19, 2018 by Apprentice79

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

I disagreed with people saying Julie is a racist because she called Gabi chiquita, it is not a racial slur. She could have easily called Gabi mujercita or muchachita. In Spanish, adding ito and ita at the end of a word, to indicate smallness or affection, for example: mi hermanito means my little brother.  I know Julie is hated on here, but, she is not a racist. She has accepted her black grandson with loving open arms. I know that she did not accept her son David with Valerie, but she has evolved. Plus, she was a product of her time. 

 

Well we know it wasn't used as a term of affection since Julie hates Gabi. 

Do I think that Julie is a racist? I don't know, but as a Latina if someone I don't like calls me something in Spanish when they don't speak Spanish, well I am going to look at them funny. Using the term in the middle of an argument, it was obnoxious as hell.

Edited December 20, 2018 by nilyank

[bobcat1946]

2 hours ago, Autumnview said:

I haven't watch today's episode yet so I don't know exactly what Julie said. I did some research on the word "chiquita". Here's what I found. "chiquita = cutie, honey, little girl. It's a Spanish term of endearment for a woman meaning.  When used as a term of endearment, chiquita can have different meanings depending on the context.  If your significant other or someone who's coming on to you calls you chiquita, it can mean baby, cutie, honey, doll, or any other number of pet names. For example, 

¿Cómo estás, chiquita? - Bien, amor. ¿Y tú?

How are you, baby? - Good, honey. And you?

Chiquita can also be used as a term of endearment in a non-romantic way and can be translated as little one, little girl, little lady, sweetie, honey, etc. For example,

Hola, chiquita. - Hola, papi. ¡Mamá dijo que vamos al parque!

Hey there, little one. - Hi, Daddy. Mommy said we're going to the park!

If someone or something is physically small, people may also refer to them as chiquita. It's a common nickname meaning shorty, little girl, little lady, or small fry. For example,

¿Qué pasó, chiquita? ¿Vamos a pasear?

What's up, little girl? Want to go for a walk?"

In addition,  "Chiquita" song recorded by Swedish pop group ABBA. It was released in January 1979 as the first single from the group's Voulez-Vous album.

Based on my findings, seems to me that this word is commonly used and is non-racial. Does anybody here understand Spanish or come from hispanic countries?

I am sure the hag Julie did not mean it as baby, cutie, honey or doll as much as he hate Gabi.

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, bobcat1946 said:

I am sure the hag Julie did not mean it as baby, cutie, honey or doll as much as he hate Gabi.

Well, I've seen people use these terms of affection in a sarcastic or snarky way many times irl. Yes it can be irritating sometimes but racist and xenophobic? Oh come on, a big girl like Gabi doesn't need her space, does she?

It's not like posters from previously tv don't use derogatory terms on characters and actors before, and there's nothing wrong with it. If we apply that standard in this situation, it's very doubtful that Julie did anything wrong considering she was merely "exercising her freedom of expressions" just like everybody else. 

Edited December 20, 2018 by Guest

[bobcat1946]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

I disagreed with people saying Julie is a racist because she called Gabi chiquita, it is not a racial slur. She could have easily called Gabi mujercita or muchachita. In Spanish, adding ito and ita at the end of a word, to indicate smallness or affection, for example: mi hermanito means my little brother.  I know Julie is hated on here, but, she is not a racist. She has accepted her black grandson with loving open arms. I know that she did not accept her son David with Valerie, but she has evolved. Plus, she was a product of her time. 

Another view coming from someone who denied they were racist simply because they loved their mixed race grandchildren with someone replying that did not mean they were not racist because it just meant they loved their grandchildren.  So Julie can love her grandson and still be racist in regards to others.

[boes]

A day without Abigail in any form is a good day, no matter what else happened.

Are there two Chicagos near Salem, because the Chicago I know is plenty big enough for Sarah and Rex.  And whatever hospital they both worked at should also be plenty big enough for them to be able to avoid each other.  It's a little rich for Sarah to abandon a city of 230 square miles and almost 3 million people because of Rex.

So that's Will with a hangover, huh?  He doesn't seem any different than drunk Will of the night before.   Poor guy really needs to up either his Vitamin D or Vitamin B-12, I can barely tell if he's awake.  The punch was good, though.  And luckily, nobody tried to slip him any tongue!  Why, Will, that calls for a drink!!  How about a little vodka in your sippy cup?

Camilla Banus was great, as is usual these days.  Maybe Show can throw us a curve ball and Gabi can plant this all on Lani.  I could survive her going away, I just know I could.  

Gabi and her possible pillow action on Julie......

Edited December 20, 2018 by boes

[Frozendiva]

Why is Tripp making breakfast with his boxers on? Put on a shirt. If any grease splatters on his half-naked body, he could get a nice burn.

At least Ciara and Claire had a few minutes of being nicer to each other.

Gabi plays the guilt, worry and not caring very well. Julie's tumble was not real - she would have a broken wrist or ankle or whatever.

Sarah Horton, why are you in Eric Brady's business?  Yes, you can be a supportive friend, but you are in no place to make any judgment of who raises Nicole's daughter. A lot of people who seem nice and good people aren't. And Chloe, you probably should have let folks know that you have Holly.

Will, Leo is not worth punching. He will eventually slither away or something.

[4evaQuez]

Another episode I enjoyed.

1. I am loving the Julie vs Gabi storyline this week. Let me just say that one of the reasons this works so well is because of the years Julie, specifically, has hated Gabi. While the two have had several tiffs, which was usually Julie berating Gabi, it was nice for the years of hostility to finally culminate in this showdown. Julie slapping Gabi, gloating about exposing Gabi's machinations, and Gabi accidentally pushing Julie down the stairs with Julie's death stare at Gabi before she falls into a coma. It was all magnificent soap. I also wonder how this will affect Rope. This is the type of hurdle I would like to see them overcome (or preferably not overcome) and we can completely disregard Ted (who I actually like with Hope) and the Cin drama from those two for awhile.

2. Speaking of, I hope Hope and Ciara go several months without sharing a scene, or at the very least, I hope their next scene actually moves the plot along. I'm bored with: "He killed three women!" "He was sick!" repeated in several rather nonimaginative ways for 40-45 minutes. Can I just say, while motherhood is a very important responsibility and one of the most important things a woman can do - if she chooses to have kids - I abhor storylines that hinge solely on being a mother like Hope's current storyline. Mostly because the character's traits and motivations are usually sidelined and we get several "Because I'm your mother" lines of dialogue in several variations. This storyline has done nothing to examine Hope as a character or Hope's relationship with Ciara. The one - and I do mean one - thing I have liked about this storyline thus far is Hope confiding in Ted that the loss of Zack is what fuels her fear about Cin. If the show could weave that thread more into the storyline and have Hope reexamine her pain and even anger (at Chelsea, Bo and herself), it could at least lead to some character driven decisions that allow Hope to become stronger, more developed character as a result. But since I doubt that will happen, I guess this is what we have.

3. I have a different interpretation to the Sarah/Chloe confrontation today. I think she used Eric and Holly as an excuse to attack Chloe for her personal dislike of Chloe. Hear me out, Chloe is the one who revealed that Lucas was not the father of Baby Bonnie which ultimately led to Rex revealing his affair with Mimi, humiliating Sarah. While Chloe didn't mean to ruin Sarah's engagement, with Rex and Mimi absent, Chloe is now an easy target for Sarah to redirect her anger. I mean I could see Sarah thinking that if it were not for Chloe, she would not be leaving Chicago, her hospital job, her fiance, and Rex would not be with Mimi and their baby right now. I think that's why Sarah jumped at the chance to throw Chloe's actions regarding Nicole and Holly and Chloe's affair with Philip (does Sarah even know Philip) in Chloe's face. I also think this is why she was so gleeful when she told Eric that she knocked Chloe down a peg or two. (or whatever phrasing she used). This, too me, didn't seem like it was wholly for Eric's benefit, but for some personal revenge on Sarah's part.

4. Speaking of Sarah, her relationships with people confuse me. I don't mean familial relationships, but the established dynamics of these relationships and how they seem to contradict. So she has not seen Eric and Sami since they were kids according to her earlier introduction, but she seems to have a pretty good relationship with Kayla. The two are on a first name basis, Kayla seems to know her well enough to offer her a job with no hesitation or even asking for recommendations and Kayla knows her well enough to speak to her about how she's talking to Maggie and connecting with Eric and handling her breakup with Rex. Then, we see her and Will are close enough were they enthusiastically call each other cousins upon seeing each other. She and Daniel apparently had a close enough relationship that she is calling him her brother, but her and Chloe had never met and she doesn't seem that close to Holly. I know a character like Sarah Horton is difficult for writers because it doesn't make sense for Mickey and Maggie's daughter to have no connection to the canvas, but it seems jarring to me that we, the audience, are being treated as if we understand Sarah's relationships with people although they are brand new to us. I wish they could at least establish the relationship she has with characters first before asking to treat these relationships like years long connections when for us, the audience, they are not.

5. Lastly, and this may belong in the unpopular opinions section, but I wish the show would write Kayla and Tripp out. Someone on this board a few pages back said Kayla seemed like a replacement Jennifer. If Jennifer isn't available for a scene, the writers insert Kayla in her place as she serves the same primary function. Honestly, the scene with Sarah underlined that point for me. Without Bo, Kim and a rarely used Roman, Kayla doesn't seem to have much of a place on canvas, except for as doctor which Sarah could easily replace. She also doesn't seem to be anyone's first go to for a conversation on canvas: Jennifer and Hope have each other, Hope also has Rafe, Marlena has John followed by Hope and sometimes Kate. Kayla seems to be a runner up in all of her relationships. With Steve out of jail, the writers should just have her and Tripp go to him and bring in some new characters that are not related to anyone on canvas.

[bobcat1946]

With all the hatred for Sarah I am ok with her because at least she is not a goody two shoes that the town on Salem thinks about princess Abigail.

[A.J.]

On 12/18/2018 at 9:42 PM, boes said:

The show could save itself a lot of money and just replace Chandler Massey with a block of wood.  From his being "drunk" (seriously, Show??, really, that's the BEST he could do?) to his monotone discussion with Kate and finally, to his lackluster "dramatic" moments with Sonny I was expecting Show to send in a medevac team to try and resuscitate him.  Then, when they kissed under the mistletoe, CM looked like he'd superglued his lips shut just to make absolutely sure he didn't get any tongue.  It's like he's not all there.

 

LOL!  Too funny.  He has been a real dud lately.  I wonder what's up with him. 

[Apprentice79]

2 hours ago, 4evaQuez said:

5. Lastly, and this may belong in the unpopular opinions section, but I wish the show would write Kayla and Tripp out. Someone on this board a few pages back said Kayla seemed like a replacement Jennifer. If Jennifer isn't available for a scene, the writers insert Kayla in her place as she serves the same primary function. Honestly, the scene with Sarah underlined that point for me. Without Bo, Kim and a rarely used Roman, Kayla doesn't seem to have much of a place on canvas, except for as doctor which Sarah could easily replace. She also doesn't seem to be anyone's first go to for a conversation on canvas: Jennifer and Hope have each other, Hope also has Rafe, Marlena has John followed by Hope and sometimes Kate. Kayla seems to be a runner up in all of her relationships. With Steve out of jail, the writers should just have her and Tripp go to him and bring in some new characters that are not related to anyone on canvas.

The show has never cared to write Kayla outside of Steve and as a Kayla fan that irritates me to no end. The only time that Kayla had agency outside of Steve was when she dated Shane.  An awful story that led to Kayla being written out of the show.  Ironically, it was during that time that Kayla and Jennifer really bonded as sisters-in-laws and she forged a tentative understanding with Jack.   Jack apologizing for the rape remains my all time favorite Kayla/Jack moment.. We will not get that type of  layered and rich writing ever again.  I do wish that Kim and Stefanie were in town to give Kayla more relevance on the show.   The actor who plays Trip should have been either Joseph Johnson or Joseph Kiriakis.  A true legacy child who was born on the show and not Ava's spawn..

Edited December 20, 2018 by Apprentice79

[MsTree]

18 hours ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

I strongly disagree--there are words that are racially charged and Julie's calling a person of Latin/Spanish heritage "chiquita" was not just heat of the moment, she meant it in a derogatory way.  Just like telling a black person they're being ghetto or conversely acting uppity or making fun of the shape of an Asian person's eyes, words have power and putting an emphasis on "chiquita" which Julie definitely did was a pointed attack on Gabi's being non-white.

I understand what you're saying, but you missed my point. I don't believe she's a "racist" because she uttered the offensive word once in the heat of the moment. A one-time offensive word does not equal a racist. To me it's similar to someone having an argument and saying "I could just kill her". Would that person now be labeled a homicidal maniac? I certainly hope not! We should not be so quick to judge a one-time word used in the heat of the moment, and should not label/brand a person forever.

9 hours ago, Autumnview said:

I haven't watch today's episode yet so I don't know exactly what Julie said. I did some research on the word "chiquita". Here's what I found. "chiquita = cutie, honey, little girl. It's a Spanish term of endearment for a woman meaning.  When used as a term of endearment, chiquita can have different meanings depending on the context.  If your significant other or someone who's coming on to you calls you chiquita, it can mean baby, cutie, honey, doll, or any other number of pet names. For example, 

¿Cómo estás, chiquita? - Bien, amor. ¿Y tú?

How are you, baby? - Good, honey. And you?

Chiquita can also be used as a term of endearment in a non-romantic way and can be translated as little one, little girl, little lady, sweetie, honey, etc. For example,

Hola, chiquita. - Hola, papi. ¡Mamá dijo que vamos al parque!

Hey there, little one. - Hi, Daddy. Mommy said we're going to the park!

If someone or something is physically small, people may also refer to them as chiquita. It's a common nickname meaning shorty, little girl, little lady, or small fry. For example,

¿Qué pasó, chiquita? ¿Vamos a pasear?

What's up, little girl? Want to go for a walk?"

In addition,  "Chiquita" song recorded by Swedish pop group ABBA. It was released in January 1979 as the first single from the group's Voulez-Vous album.

Based on my findings, seems to me that this word is commonly used and is non-racial. Does anybody here understand Spanish or come from hispanic countries?

Thank you for all the translations!

[peachmangosteen]

5 hours ago, MsTree said:

I understand what you're saying, but you missed my point. I don't believe she's a "racist" because she uttered the offensive word once in the heat of the moment. A one-time offensive word does not equal a racist.

It's not the first time Julie has said something questionable though.

Edited December 20, 2018 by peachmangosteen

[YupItsMe]

13 hours ago, boes said:

<snip>

Camilla Banus was great, as is usual these days.  Maybe Show can throw us a curve ball and Gabi can plant this all on Lani.  

I would love this!

[Chick2Chic]

17 hours ago, nilyank said:

Well we know it wasn't used as a term of affection since Julie hates Gabi. 

Do I think that Julie is a racist? I don't know, but as a Latina if someone I don't like calls me something in Spanish when they don't speak Spanish, well I am going to look at them funny. Using the term in the middle of an argument, it was obnoxious as hell.

Exactly. As a woman of color, I am familiar with microaggressions used to put people of color "in their place" and Julie saying little girl in Spanish when she just as easily could have said it in English since Julie ain't running around speaking Spanish otherwise just reeked of that kind of microaggression behavior. Racism and bigotry aren't just screaming offensive slurs. Some people obviously have a different read but I've known old women - and old women from the Midwest like Julie - who are passively racist & don't recognize it or don't care so I trust my instincts & history with those type of situations. And TBH, the Chiquita line wasn't good but I side-eyed Julie more for telling Gabi she was going to put her back in her cage, especially considering current events at the border.

Anywho, Elani still don't have any chemistry IMO and Chandler Massey was just about catatonic in those Wednesday scenes. Yikes. 

Chloe vs Sarah... Sarah went in on Chloe. I didn't think about some of Sarah's animosity towards Chloe is related to Chloe spilling the beans about baby Bonnie & indirectly blowing up her engagement (though the fault lies with Rex's own behavior) as mentioned above but that totally makes sense, Thinking about that now, I can see why Sarah would also have her own anger towards Chloe who didn't seem to care what the revelation did to Sarah, IIRC.

Edited December 20, 2018 by Chick2Chic
fixed something.

[Apprentice79]

The show was filled with annoying people and that includes the beautiful Eric Roman Brady. Poor Holly! everybody is using her as a weapon for their own purposes.  Sarah, Maggie, Eric, Chloe and Brady are all not looking out for this girl's best interest. The little girl lost her mom and she is probably confused about what happened to her. Lord knows what she witnessed when she lived with Xander and Nicole.  She may have sensed her mother's distress and that is no good.

I loved JJ saving Gabi from her demons like he did last year. 

I also hated Maggie acting like Neil had a relationship with Sarah. Her gifting Sarah Neil's stethoscope left me cold.  Mickey Horton was her father, full stop. Has she forgotten how Sarah got her biological dad drunk, got in bed with him naked, hired a photographer who took pictures of them to be published in a tabloid magazine, in an effort to keep Maggie with Mickey.. The Hortons are not a sane bunch to say the least. 

My favorite scene in the episode was John calling Eric his son.. Sherry must have written that line. It made me smile, John as Roman loved Carrie, Eric and Sami with every fiber of his being.

Edited December 20, 2018 by Apprentice79

[TeeVee329]

I very much enjoyed Marlena reading Stefan O.'s delusional ass.

Also liked JJ inadvertently talking Gabi down, although she might wanna pick up that pillow and cram it down Abigail's throat as an alternative.

Appreciated the update on Paul.

Ugh, custody battles, everybody just ends up looking bad.

Edited December 20, 2018 by TeeVee329

[buffynut]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

The show was filled with annoying people and that includes the beautiful Eric Roman Brady.

I LOVE Eric, but even I found him annoying today.

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

I also hated Maggie acting like Neil had a relationship with Sarah. Her gifting Sarah Neil's stethoscope left me cold.  Mickey Horton was her father, full stop.

Oh, right, Neil is Sarah's father.  I kept thinking, "wasn't Mickey a lawyer?"

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

My favorite scene in the episode was John calling Eric his son.. Sherry must have written that line. It made me smile, John as Roman loved Carrie, Eric and Sami with every fiber of his being.

I LOVE John in Dad mode.  DH just shines in those scenes.

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So, my dislike for old-new-again Abigail is making me sympathetic towards Stefan.  

I liked the chemistry between Brady and Chloe.

Was that the first we've seen of the new young nurse?

[DisneyBoy]

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I didn't think about some of Sarah's animosity towards Chloe is related to Chloe spilling the beans about baby Bonnie & indirectly blowing up her engagement (though the fault lies with Rex's own behavior) as mentioned above but that totally makes sense, Thinking about that now, I can see why Sarah would also have her own anger towards Chloe who didn't seem to care what the revelation did to Sarah, IIRC.

I didn't think about it either. Thank you! Makes much more sense in light of all that.

While I enjoyed Camila's performance today, it still left me feeling a little cold. I feel like she's being a bit more campy than she should be. She'll probably get nominated for a Daytime Emmy anyways but I can't help but recall the pathos Eileen Davidson brought to this kind material in the past and wish Camilla was pushing herself a little more. 

Can't believe Marlena just walked back into the DiMansion unarmed after what happened the last time she was there. Screw Abby! Abigail hasn't been Marlena's patient in a long time, and the last time Marlena tried to help her she ended up whacked in the head with a fireplace poker and locked in the basement to die. I think that absolves her of any responsibility for that cuckoo bird's well being.

Call me crazy, but how did Stefan and Abigail getting married in a foreign country make their marriage legal in the US?

There were plenty of nods to history between Brady and Chloe today, but the one that really stood out to me was mention of the blizzard that stranded Chloe and Nicole at the motel where Chloe gave birth to Holly. The show did not spend one cent throwing snow at that stupid window in the all-purpose set. There was no blizzard to be seen! It's a real shame because I wouldn't think it would cost too much money to mimic a blizzard from certain angles. Now every time they reference the circumstances around Holly's birth I'm just going to roll my eyes. Hopefully though, Ron is forking out some money to actually give us snowflakes this winter. I'm assuming snow wouldn't even have been mentioned if it wasn't in the budget this year.

I still cringe at the mere mention of Daniel's name.

I don't know if the subject is closed now, but I do consider Julie a bit of a racist. She's made comments in the past about Gabi and her whole family, as though the Hortons have never committed any illegal acts themselves. I actually like that they're being consistent about this. It would be really interesting if they trusted Susan enough as an actress to give her a small storyline where she's forced to confront these bigotries. Maybe Julie and her grandson could talk it out....

It's funny, but I actually don't find Julie as annoying as so many of you seem too. I find her oddly charming, but maybe that's just because Susan has a natural glow to her. And doesn't everybody in every family have some aunt who you just can't figure out and have to sort of avoid getting irritated by? Julie and Doug are schmaltzy and corny as all hell, but I really appreciate them staying on the show as long as they have. Without them, Victor and Maggie, the show wouldn't have any old characters anymore. Abe, Marlena, John and Roman are getting up there, but they haven't quite settled into that "senior" place yet. I always loved the variety of ages being represented on soaps, so I hope Doug and Julie are around for as long as possible.

Dear Show, nobody overdoses on pills and stands around for 10 minutes holding the container, waiting for them to kick in so that they can fall attractively to the ground and be found with the container in their hands. That's just stupid, unless you're trying to suggest that this nurse is making a spectacle out of her suicide attempt and wants to be caught...

 

Let's play What Happens Next! Will the young nurse:

A) be rescued single-handedly by JJ, who will keep the secret of her suicide attempt so that she can continue working at the hospital.

OR

B) be taken by JJ to the ER where they'll rescue her and where she will lose her job so that she isn't anywhere near medication that she might use to harm herself again.

In the real world, it would be B.

Edited December 20, 2018 by DisneyBoy

[Chick2Chic]

2 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I also hated Maggie acting like Neil had a relationship with Sarah. Her gifting Sarah Neil's stethoscope left me cold.  Mickey Horton was her father, full stop.

GH has done this too with Jake where his actual father & the one who cared for him - Lucky - was suddenly retconned to make it seem like his biologically had raised him all along. That Days is doing this with Sarah is odd. Neither Neil nor Mickey are around Salem so I don't know why TPTB felt the need to change that history. It adds nothing to Sarah's current story to erase Mickey like that. 

 

23 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

It's funny, but I actually don't find Julie as annoying as so many of you seem too.

I'm mostly indifferent to Julie, although I firmly believe that a little bit of Julie goes a very long way, except when it comes to Gabi. I get that she's upset about what happened to Nick but Julie's total disregard of what Nick did / tried to do to Gabi ... as well as what Abby did to Gabi just this year ... irritates me. A lot. And maybe it's unintentionally a tie-in to Julie's likely bigotry that I don't see the show ever really directly addressing but that's where I stand on Julie. 

[kitmerlot1213]

I was really thrown off by the level of anger Sarah threw at her mom and yes, a lot of it stems from her own anger regarding Rex's betrayal but she is oddly invested in Eric's getting custody of Holly.  And maybe it's because I find Chloe so annoyingly bland, I did enjoy Sarah's knocking her off her high horse.  

KM in the Gabby black wig looks so utterly ridiculous, it's difficult to pay attention to her actual scenes.  So she is going to pay off the goon that helped her get married to Stefan so she can now get divorced?  And where is she going to get the 50 thousand dollars, from Stefan?

I did like the Gabi/JJ scenes and how his talking to her helped to pull her back from killing Julie, no matter how unintentional.  I think the show missed the boat is not having them get back together, after they broke up the first time--we all would have been saved his horrendous relationship with Lani.

[Fen Tiger]

Do they even want Sarah to be at all likeable? She’s completely awful.

[bobcat1946]

What is up with Brady.  Why is he not with his son, Tate in California since it is Christmas.  Instead he is trying to help Chloe keep Holly while getting ready to bang Chloe.

[boes]

4 hours ago, bobcat1946 said:

What is up with Brady.  Why is he not with his son, Tate in California since it is Christmas.  Instead he is trying to help Chloe keep Holly while getting ready to bang Chloe.

Good point!  Why ISN'T Brady in California with Tate?

[buffynut]

9 hours ago, bobcat1946 said:

What is up with Brady.  Why is he not with his son, Tate in California since it is Christmas.  Instead he is trying to help Chloe keep Holly while getting ready to bang Chloe.

And what about Parker?  You know, the sibling Maggie wants Holly to grow up with.   Is he supposed to be living in Salem with Chloe?   Or is he still with her parents in New York?   It's Christmas Eve, right, so she should at least be mentioning him, even if he's already in bed.

[howmanywords]

13 hours ago, Fen Tiger said:

Do they even want Sarah to be at all likeable? She’s completely awful.

I'm wondering that as well. I really don't understand what they are going for with her. I feel like I'm supposed to be on her side but every time she's on I'm wishing she would go away. I can't even blame the actress because I've liked her in previous roles.

[dlyn]

14 hours ago, Fen Tiger said:

Do they even want Sarah to be at all likeable? She’s completely awful.

I feel like they’re trying to go for spunky, but it’s a miss for me. 

[hippydoo]

14 hours ago, Fen Tiger said:

Do they even want Sarah to be at all likeable? She’s completely awful.

Everytime I see her I think of Ally Sheedy in Breakfast Club.

[msrachelj]

On 12/19/2018 at 7:56 PM, bobcat1946 said:

Another view coming from someone who denied they were racist simply because they loved their mixed race grandchildren with someone replying that did not mean they were not racist because it just meant they loved their grandchildren.  So Julie can love her grandson and still be racist in regards to others.

there are quite a few  folk where i, unfortunately, live who are like this. racist at heart. big time supporters of you know who in charge.  but still love their mixed race grandchildren. go figure.

[Lastwaltz]

43 minutes ago, hippydoo said:

Everytime I see her I think of Ally Sheedy in Breakfast Club.

Brilliant! Yes, yes, yes. 

[TeeVee329]

8 hours ago, boes said:

Good point!  Why ISN'T Brady in California with Tate?

In my head, Mr. Sheffield has banned Brady from the state.

Edited December 21, 2018 by TeeVee329

[boes]

Sarah's rage at Maggie was over the top, but I did like that she forcefully pointed out that Maggie's breezy "Oh, I gave her to Chloe" response to Eric and Sarah's question about Holly's whereabouts was pretty out there, insensitive at the very least.  Sarah's response to that was on target IMO.

But then she sorta went crazy.

I take issue with Maggie calling herself Holly's nearest living relative.  She has an adult sister, Melanie, who would come before her and Holly has an aunt and uncle on Nicole's side as well as Sara and Melissa on the odious Dr. Tan the Dan Man's side.  Not to mention the relations she must have from the parents who actually raised Daniel.

And that's the main reason I hate this custody storyline - we have to hear Daniel's name mentioned.  Ugh.

[plurie]

1 hour ago, boes said:

I take issue with Maggie calling herself Holly's nearest living relative.  She has an adult sister, Melanie, who would come before her and Holly has an aunt and uncle on Nicole's side as well as Sara and Melissa on the odious Dr. Tan the Dan Man's side.  Not to mention the relations she must have from the parents who actually raised Daniel.

I would love it if Taylor were to show up in Salem and take Holly away. The poor kid can't catch a break in this town.

[lilly6]

I love Jennifer's dress today. 

I am a sentimental ball of goo regarding the Hortons and Christmas.  Just seeing the house decorated makes me happy.

[kitmerlot1213]

Someone needs to tell KM that the alleged heroine in the story shouldn't out-smug the alleged villain--Abby was so unpleasant in her scenes with Gabi in Julie's hospital room that she is not in the least bit rootable and I worry the show thinks we should be.

I already like the new nurse in her scenes with JJ--she seems to have some acting ability.  Excellent :)

[Lastwaltz]

38 minutes ago, lilly6 said:

I love Jennifer's dress today. 

I am a sentimental ball of goo regarding the Hortons and Christmas.  Just seeing the house decorated makes me happy.

Me too. I have fond memories of watching the As the World Turns holiday episodes as a child with my mother. Felt like we were part of the Hughes family, lol. 

[howmanywords]

I guess you don't appreciate what you have until its gone.  I was always borderline on Marci Miller but KM is reminding me all over again why I never liked her.  That scene today giving Stefan the divorce papers was clearly supposed to be one of those scenes where we were supposed to root for poor Abigail who stuck it to the guy who wronged her, but um, why did I want to smack her? 

[TeeVee329]

48 minutes ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Someone needs to tell KM that the alleged heroine in the story shouldn't out-smug the alleged villain

Agreed.  I'm less familiar with her performance, but Kate Mansi plays Abigail soooooo smugly, it's very irritating.  Although I didn't mind as much during that final scene with Stefan O. "Merry Christmas, you son of a bitch," indeed!

Edited December 21, 2018 by TeeVee329