Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[Frozendiva]

At least the actresses playing Adrienne and Maggie had something new and different to do. Probably was a lot of fun for both.

Don't remember Bonnie and Mickey.

At least folks are starting to 'clue in' that something is not quite right with Adrienne. And perhaps this storyline is well on its way to wrapping up and things can go on their original direction - maybe Adrienne returning will help Lucas quit the drinking.

Curious to see Sami's motivation with Chad.

[JBC344]

3 hours ago, Chick2Chic said:

My thing isn't that he has no feelings for Johnny and Sydney but more that he's being attributed to having a strong depth of feelings towards them not shown onscreen. Lots of statemens about how Lucas feels without anything onscreen showing it. What we've been shown is that Lucas is cordial with them but they're not bonded with him. They bonded more with Rafe and yes, that would be due to Sami's marriage to him and spending time with him as a family unit... time they didn't spend with Lucas.  I'm sure if Lucas was asked to raise all the kids in a pinch he would but why would he be asked over Sami's large family were something to happen to her?

It just feels like a design to hang Lucas on Sami in some way to give him more screentime or value as a character and that's part of the reason he was kneecapped as a character for a decade by not allowing him to move on.  YMMV. Today just affirmed that Sami loves Lucas as her best friend and two of her kids' father but that's it for her. It's not a romantic love as it's not something she's interested in with him. Lucas needs to find his own direction in life without her dragging him along to find it and thus keeping her back. 

I totally see your point about making Lucas again an extension of Sami, in that case I agree that shouldn't be the motivation but I wouldn't necessarily hate the idea of Allie coming to stay with Lucas and Johnny and/or Sydney following for whatever reason.  I actually think the points you made above are actually why I feel this way.  For me, I do consider Sami and Lucas to be family.  Now whether they ever become romantic again, I don't know, but even if they only see each other as great friends and co-parents for me that is enough of a bond that the idea of Lucas looking after Johnny and Sydney isn't so far fetched. 

As far as other family, who else would be a "better" solution?  I'm quoting the word better, because outside of Lucas's alcoholism he has shown to be a pretty good dedicated father.  Also if TPTB did want to bring the kids back without Allison full time, who would they live with.

Yes, they have other family in Salem but really outside of possibly Marlena and John, who would be equipped and/or interested in raising pre-teens.  There is no way Sami is letting anyone on the Dimera side raise Johnny and Sydney.  Sami and Chad have a bond because of Grace but considering everything that happened with Abby, I don't think that is a good idea. Can you really imagine the kids living with a retired Roman? Are Marlena and John really interested in raising three pre-teens/teens? Sami is not sending them to Hope and Rafe.  Really, are any of the various aunts/uncles on either side really closer to those three than Lucas is, screen time not withstanding?

This is all hypothetical of course but lets say they did want to bring the kids back with out Sami, I can totally see a situation where Allie would of course be with Lucas and Lucas offering to have Johnny and Sydney stay with him as well to keep the kids all under one roof.  I can certainly see Sami being ok with that, I also wouldn't see Marlena, Roman, or the Dimeras having an issue with it either.

Let's not forget Lucas was also more than willing to step up and take care of Thomas during his custody fight. 

[JBC344]

3 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I am so confused about what Ari did or didn't see at the wedding. We saw her come in, throw the flower petals around and take a seat next to her mother, and then Ben burst in minutes later. We never saw her get up and leave the church, so therefore wasn't she there when Ben burst in? And if so why are we hearing the other characters talk as though she only overheard them discussing Will afterwards? As far as I'm concerned based on what we were shown, she was in the church when Ben said that Will was still alive. If they were going to bother having her at the wedding at all, it made no sense for her to somehow disappear in the middle of the action and for them to pretend she missed the juicy stuff. And if they wanted her not to be there when it went down, they could have just said she needed to go to the bathroom and shown Gabi taking her off camera. Little stuff like this annoys me because it's confusing for no reason. I really thought this would be Ari's first substantial plotline. It would have been so touching to have a scene with the young actress discussing what had happened with Gabi. She could have been confused and upset and wondering who Ben was and we would have had a chance to see Gabi be the protective Mom who reassures her and tries to offer an answer.

And for that matter, what did Tori and Paul's grandfather think of the live stream of the wedding that they were watching? John hilariously had his cell phone up filming when Ben burst in. When did he turn that off? Did he film the whole thing for them? I would have liked for Paul to have had to make a call to his mom to explain what it was went down.

 

Hopefully with Sherri back on board, the show will find interesting personalities and storylines for the new young characters it introduces. Of course it's possible for them to also drop the ball (see above.)

 

I'm still catching up on Tuesday's episode, but I watched today and found it a little bit scattered.

 

The Bonnie stuff was fine and even fun but I don't think they did so much with the 'Bonnie Dearest' fantasy. Why not have Bonnie freak out at Maggie over picking up dry cleaning with wire hangers? I mean if you're going to make the movie reference at least reference the movie. At no point in Mommie Dearest did Joan Crawford break figurines and make her daughter cry. It was like Ron had an idea for Whatever Happened to Baby Jane and then just wanted one more sequence and didn't put much thought into what it was. Still, I enjoyed the fantasy shots. The show used to do stuff like this all the time and it was fun. And I'm definitely glad we still have Bonnie around because I don't think we're going to see much more of this stuff once she's gone. Too many of the characters on the canvas right now are pretty serious. We no longer have Anne, which sucks because I would love to see some of her fantasies, and Celeste is gone...so who else is there?

My favorite scene with Sami this week was her crying in Marlena's lap about the wild goose chase for EJ. It was so nice to finally get some closure on that plot point. I'm also hoping we hear about how Sami escaped Andre when she left last time. That was the start of a whole plotline for Belle and even though she isn't on the show right now I still think they should address it. Sami being in a dungeon, then saying she knows how to escape and vanishing was way too abrupt.

Allison really sold Sami's regret over dragging her kids around the globe on a wild goose chase. I really hope that that continues to inform her character decisions from here on out.

If she was trying to piss off Abigail by kissing Chad, I would think she would wait to do it at a moment when Abigail was actually in the room. Maybe when we tune in tomorrow we'll see that Abby is in the foyer and Sami caught a glimpse of her over Chad's shoulder. One can only hope!

Wait...what was cut?

Did they even successfully marry? Yeah, the show seriously needs to be showing flashbacks to that storyline if they're going to spend so much time using it as Bonnie's motivation. Today was definitely the day for that. Is it that they just don't want to pay royalties to the actor who played Mickey? Is he still alive? From what I remember this wasn't even a major storyline in the show's history that fans necessarily loved, so even a casual fan might not remember it all that well. Give us flashbacks for stuff like this, please!

If I remember correctly Mickey and Bonnie did marry, but because Maggie turned out to be alive their marriage was invalid.  Bonnie as Mickey's wife also got control of Che Rouge and turned it into a honkey tonk bar, which was also another bone of contention when Maggie came back.

As sort of duplicitous as Bonnie was, she definitely loved and adored Mickey.  Now that you mention it, I really am surprised that they aren't showing any of the Bonnie/Maggie fights back then.  It would give some nice context to those that weren't watching then. The actor who played Mickey at that point in time I believe was John Ingle, who played Edward Quartermaine on GH for years.  He has since passed.  He took over after John Clarke who originated the role as Mickey retired from acting.  I believe there may have briefly been another actor who played Mickey after John in 2004 for a few months before John Ingle came on.

[A.J.]

3 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I don't think they did so much with the 'Bonnie Dearest' fantasy. Why not have Bonnie freak out at Maggie over picking up dry cleaning with wire hangers? I mean if you're going to make the movie reference at least reference the movie. At no point in Mommie Dearest did Joan Crawford break figurines and make her daughter cry. It was like Ron had an idea for Whatever Happened to Baby Jane and then just wanted one more sequence and didn't put much thought into what it was.

You are so right.  They really dropped the ball on that sequence. 

 

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It’s Eric’s birthday and I didn’t get to see him.  That doesn’t seem fair. 

I'm sure on Thursday and Friday it will still be Eric's birthday.  LOL! 

[Apprentice79]

14 minutes ago, JBC344 said:

If I remember correctly Mickey and Bonnie did marry, but because Maggie turned out to be alive their marriage was invalid.  Bonnie as Mickey's wife also got control of Che Rouge and turned it into a honkey tonk bar, which was also another bone of contention when Maggie came back.

Chez Rouge. I loved that set...Why don't the show bring that back. I loved the loft that Isabella and Carly used to share...

[teacake]

On 10/14/2017 at 4:17 PM, DisneyBoy said:

I feel badly for those of you who are big Steve and Kayla fans. I think it was really smart of Ron to backburner them after what Tripp did because it just left such a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I hope the characters can move beyond it because I really like Mary Beth Evans and want to see her used in more storylines that have nothing to do with Ava or Steve or their spawn.

I just wish they had dealt with the problems through the story, instead of waiting for the stink to fade.  Tripp not being on today or mentioned at all made it a little easier to take today's scenes at face value, but they really shouldn't be back in bed together without dealing with some things.

I watched today.  I'm not a Sami fan, or a camp fan, so there was a little bit of something nice in the Justin/Steve/Kayla scenes, but the rest...  When I watched Ron's GH show, I felt like there was something inventive about it, and that's what I was hoping to see here.  The production quality of the fantasy scenes was very high, but I just feel like I've seen it all before.

[tribeca]

What was Kayla wearing?   When she was at the pub I thought it was an apron and she was helping out.  Then they went to Justin and she still had that weird looking apron attached to her dress.  

So steve is going to visit Haddie in prison ?  I don’t think that will go well for haddie    Haddie and fake Bonnie convo was confusing.  Do other prisoners know what shelia and Bonnie are up to ?   

Although I am ready for this story to be over I will miss Judi comedy.  She is good at it JMHO   

[swtrgrl]

Was home sick yesterday so I got to watch the entire hour (no ffd)..

• LOVED the Bonnie/Maggie movie homages. They were cheesy and over the top and wonderful. They were the bright spot in this whole Bonnie fiasco, which I pretty much dislike all around.
• Sami and Marlena's reunion was touching. Diedre and Allie have great chemistry. 
• I have zero idea wtf is going on with that Sami/Chad (Sad/Chami?) kiss but I like it. LOL.  I know they're not setting that up and Sami is scheming but still...I want Abby to walk in and be upset. Team Anyone but Abby. Sami is due her revenge since the writers made Abby out to be a saint in that whole EJ/Abby fling.
• I liked the Steve/Kayla scenes. They really work as a mature couple who have ups and downs and work through them. 
• I'm not sure I like Paul being written as desperate. Christopher is pulling it off, I guess but I don't necessarily want him to be the bad guy in this. He has legit reasons to be worried about his relationship and frankly, Sonny's sanity as he frets about whether Will could be alive or not. 

 

Looping in some of Monday:

• Brady is a dick. I ffd a lot of the Ericole stuff b/c I just don't care but...sadness, I guess? I'm cold hearted.
• Jesus, Victor is stupid. That whole scene with Justin, Maggie, Victor and Bonnie was golden, though. The double takes and the WTF is happening here looks were priceless.
• JJ back on the force was expected, I guess. 

[Sandman]

It seems I don't care much more about Psycho Vengeful Bonkers Black than I ever do about Regular Strength Self-Centred And Whiny Bonehead Black. I don't understand why the showrunners seem to think that Brady's being slightly more awful than usual represents some sort of tragic fall that should engage viewers' sympathy. If Brady were actually to, I dunno, grow up? Then we might be on to something.

The adolescent rivalry between Sonny and Bonkers Black over Titan in particular is doing no one any favours. Sonny looks petty and Victor just looks bored out of his tree.

[boes]

1 hour ago, Sandman said:

It seems I don't care much more about Psycho Vengeful Bonkers Black than I ever do about Regular Strength Self-Centred And Whiny Bonehead Black. I don't understand why the showrunners seem to think that Brady's being slightly more awful than usual represents some sort of tragic fall that should engage viewers' sympathy. If Brady were actually to, I dunno, grow up? Then we might be on to something.

The adolescent rivalry between Sonny and Bonkers Black over Titan in particular is doing no one any favours. Sonny looks petty and Victor just looks bored out of his tree.

I agree.  Brady is either playing the hero and looking for accolades, getting ready to be an ass, being an ass, or just finished being an ass.  Turn the sound off and you can determine which part of the cycle he's in by seeing how beady his eyes have gotten.  It never changes.

[kitmerlot1213]

Best part of today's episode?  Sami's telling Abby how utterly meaningless she was to EJ, that the EJabby "affair" was just a blip in their lives--WOO HOO!!!  Side piece did not like hearing that and then Sami pointed out that Abs really should not have brought it up because of the newness of the Chabby marriage.  Also GORGEOUS!!!  Despite hearing how wonderful and sweet Abby is supposed to be, there's still a part of her that wants to believe she's every man's undoing.

The camera work in the Hattie/Steve scene kind of made me sick to my stomach--what was with the constant panning between the two?

Theo and his Tripp drama are such non-starters and I can't even begin to care and I hope Claire wises up and sees Theo for the immature ass he is.  Then of course I want Tripp and Claire to get together and be adorable :)

[DisneyBoy]

Loving Sami's revenge against Abby. Wish it was a two month storyline though.

There wasn't much else of interest today. Seems Maggie is in on a scheme to reveal Bonnie. Hattie probably should have kept her mouth shut from the beginning. I wonder if she and Bon Bon will both end up just back in prison. That would be a lame ending.

Claire was more interesting when she had scenes about her career (paging Chloe!). Her and Theo are DOA. Him being jealous of Tripp is pointless and random. Kayla having to accept him and talk about it is weird.

My note to Ron would be to work on the dialogue a little bit more, because we've already heard Sami reference the morgue 30 times in the last 3 days, and Kayla talk about accepting Tripp 30 times in the last few weeks. It's like the show doesn't trust that the viewers are paying enough attention to follow what's going on unless the characters look into camera and state "I'm jealous of Tripp!" or "I'm so happy I'm married to you Abigail!" and underline it and circle it for emphasis. I miss the days when soaps would write scenes that were about one thing on the surface, and something else below. We could do with a bit of subtlety here.

Edited October 19, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[Apprentice79]

duplicated post.

Edited October 19, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Apprentice79]

I loved Sami rolling her eyes at Abby/Andre.  Two horrible people.  I really liked Sami's ending scene at Will's grave but I felt that would've been the perfect time to flash to wherever Will is being held captive while she was talking about him  and vowing to find him. The Will storyline is dragging and I am  starting to get bored..

I don't care about Tripp. He is Ava's spawn and unnecessary. Stefanie should be on the show, dealing with her parents and the fallout of Joey killing Ava.  I would rant about Kayla giving in to Steve and making peace with Tripp. Why bother? The show has never allowed Kayla to have agency, when it comes to Steve..

I think that Justin, Maggie and Victor are playing Bonnie.

I loved the Hattie/ Adrienne scenes. I laughed out loud when she told her that Bonnie hated her kids. I assume that Bonnie has spoken to Adrienne's other sons offscreen.

Theo and Claire are boring, but, the show has ruined all of the teen kids. Chase, Ciara and Joey were decimated, when it came to their characterizations. If the rumors are true about what is to come for Lexie's baby boy. It will heartbreaking and so damn unfair. Theo, being an Autistic Black man could have been a fascinating character, but, the show did nothing with him..

Ron needs to move the stories along. Something is missing and I cannot put my finger on it..
 

Edited October 19, 2017 by Apprentice79

[Silver Raven]

"Hey, Patchy."

When Steve mentioned Adrienne Johnson Kiriakis, I had to think back for a minute.  Is Adrienne the only person on the show who has only been married to one person?

heeheehee, love seeing Abby's butthurt face.  :)

I really wish they would put Kayla in better clothes.

If Victor really loved Maggie, he would sacrifice himself and not give in to Bonnie.

I guess Victor talking about a settlement means they didn't have a prenup. I was going to say that he should probably get a prenup with Bonnie, but she's a phony, so if they do get married, it will be fraudulent so she won't get any money. But he doesn't know that.

Steve didn't hear Adrienne yelling, huh?

Compassion?  What does Andre know about compassion?

"I don't want you working with Tripp."  Damn, Theo, when did you turn into an asshole?

Finally, Victor goes thug on Bonnie.

Why was Adrienne calling Justin and not Steve?

[peachmangosteen]

3 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I really liked Sami's ending scene at Will's grave but I felt that would've been the perfect time to flash to wherever Will is being held captive while she was talking about him  and vowing to find him. The Will storyline is dragging and I am starting to get bored.

This! I really thought they were going to cut to Will somewhere during that. Big missed opportunity. The Will story really is dragging and that would've helped a bit.

40 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

Steve didn't hear Adrienne yelling, huh?

Right! I hate that trope.

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Why was Adrienne calling Justin and not Steve?

Yea, I didn't get that either. She told Hattie she was gonna call Steve. 

[Star Aristille]

19 hours ago, JBC344 said:

Bonnie as Mickey's wife also got control of Che Rouge and turned it into a honkey tonk bar, which was also another bone of contention when Maggie came back.

 

18 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

Chez Rouge. I loved that set...Why don't the show bring that back.

For the record, it wasn't Chez Rouge that Bonnie took over.  Mickey gave Chez Rouge to Maggie as part of a fresh start they had after he finally chose her over Bonnie months after she came back.  The restaurant Bonnie changed was Maggie's first restaurant, Tuscany.  She then turned it into the honky-tonk bar known as Alice's.

Speaking of Maggie and Bonnie . . . oh, Maggie totally knows that something's up.  So do Victor and Justin.  Bonnie is slowly unraveling and is going to be caught very soon, I think.  And it's gonna be so sweet when she is.

[Rowan]

So are we safe to assume Sami smooched Chad to get at Abby? She didn't get much in the way of a reaction, if so. So, good on ya Abigail. Never let 'em see ya sweat. I mean, hell, Abby has been married three times since the EJ affair, so, I doubt she is still licking any wounds over how it ended. Still, she knows she had it comin', and she took it pretty well. I did enjoy the brief tension and Sami's little how do you like them apples stare, though. 

[tribeca]

2 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

 

Why was Adrienne calling Justin and not Steve?

Her heart belongs to Justin ?

[Sidney]

43 minutes ago, Rowan said:

So are we safe to assume Sami smooched Chad to get at Abby? She didn't get much in the way of a reaction, if so. So, good on ya Abigail. Never let 'em see ya sweat. I mean, hell, Abby has been married three times since the EJ affair, so, I doubt she is still licking any wounds over how it ended. Still, she knows she had it comin', and she took it pretty well. I did enjoy the brief tension and Sami's little how do you like them apples stare, though. 

I hope we keep that tension between them because that was good.

[pau]

Yuk i read about Sami's scenes with the lame duo and for sure it doesn't make me want to watch this show AT ALL..and NO it was not an "affair" delusional Abby AND delusional writers but a cheap fling/two hook ups !! Why even brings up this bs..puke. And Andre being bff with Abby..is it a joke ?? 

And Chad still praise 'poor' Abby..pathetic. Maybe the actress is better but the character is still repulsive it seems..

Moreover Sami doesn't need Andre for anything, she was close to Rolf actually the last time his character was on Salem, she can find him by herself please..do your homework writers if you want people to watch your show..

Edited October 19, 2017 by pau

[Rowan]

58 minutes ago, pau said:

Yuk i read about Sami's scenes with the lame duo and for sure it doesn't make me want to watch this show AT ALL..and NO it was not an "affair" delusional Abby AND delusional writers but a cheap fling/two hook ups !! Why even brings up this bs..puke. And Andre being bff with Abby..is it a joke ?? 

And Chad still praise 'poor' Abby..pathetic. Maybe the actress is better but the character is still repulsive it seems..

Moreover Sami doesn't need Andre for anything, she was close to Rolf actually the last time his character was on Salem, she can find him by herself please..do your homework writers if you want people to watch your show..

Well, even if it wasn't considered an affair, which, I mean they weren't married, right?, so I guess I'll concede on that. He definitely cheated with Abby. It happened and it was a pretty big deal to Sami. They had to address it.

I'm not sure she did anything that could be considered repulsive, today. As long as Abby takes her medicine like a good little ex-home wrecker, I'm fine with it. That's not to say she has to swallow that crap forever, 'cause very few people on this show have nothing they are ashamed of or regret in their past. 

[pau]

38 minutes ago, Rowan said:

Well, even if it wasn't considered an affair, which, I mean they weren't married, right?, so I guess I'll concede on that. He definitely cheated with Abby. It happened and it was a pretty big deal to Sami. They had to address it.

I'm not sure she did anything that could be considered repulsive, today. As long as Abby takes her medicine like a good little ex-home wrecker, I'm fine with it. That's not to say she has to swallow that crap forever, 'cause very few people on this show have nothing they are ashamed of or regret in their past. 

I find her repulsive in general..all the bad deeds she did and was always excused for it, actually it is more the writing concerning her and how other characters react to her and her actions i find repulsive tbh..and i loathed how the previous actress played the character too, i can't talk about the new actress, i did not watch her scenes, i just read about the one today because it concerned Sami. 

To me an affair imply some legit type of relationship with some duration and in this case it was not a relationship, it was brief/short (thankfully), they did not even talk/share real talks, activities ect..except awkward sex, they did not know each others, it was just two cheap hook ups who need to be cancelled..A fling if you want, a affair it is not..married or not married, in my book.

Ej cheated indeed sadly..and imho it did not make any sense and was destructive writing so i don't see the point to bring it up..and i don't want to watch that, no thanks !

Sami does not need to adress it, she has FAR MORE important things to care and to do.. and actually the dialogue did address it at the end of the scene, yet writers seemed to want to bring it first in order to give Abby and Chad something to do..whatever..it was not necessary to say the least.

The Abby's character can swallow about all her sleazy, disturbing deeds all her life as far as i am concerned..until someone dare to call her out about it..

Edited October 20, 2017 by pau

[Frozendiva]

11 hours ago, boes said:

I agree.  Brady is either playing the hero and looking for accolades, getting ready to be an ass, being an ass, or just finished being an ass.  Turn the sound off and you can determine which part of the cycle he's in by seeing how beady his eyes have gotten.  It never changes.

Someone needs to find the tail to pin on to him.

Kayla, it is late October. You are wearing a late August dress or whatever it is. And matching cardigan.

It may be easier to accept Tripp if he was maybe 6 years old. He's 22 or so and is a grown young man. He doesn't really need Kayla as a parent and any relationship is weird. Not like he is going bowling with Steve or doing any family stuff.

Hattie, you don't have much to lose telling Adrienne the truth. Bonnie will just end up back in Statesville with you.

Doubt any judge can grant a divorce within a few minutes. I'd assume that the 'papers' are not really valid and that any 'marriage' won't be worth the ink on the divorce papers. Bonnie is being very conned and out-conned by everyone. Surely Maggie can remember Bonnie Lockhart looking like Adrienne.

Wonder if Sami still has any claim to the DiMera Mansion.

[Star Aristille]

4 hours ago, Rowan said:

So are we safe to assume Sami smooched Chad to get at Abby? She didn't get much in the way of a reaction, if so. So, good on ya Abigail. Never let 'em see ya sweat. I mean, hell, Abby has been married three times since the EJ affair, so, I doubt she is still licking any wounds over how it ended. 

This is the main reason I don't get the amusement over Sami doing that to her.  Abigail pretty much gave Sami little to no reaction whatsoever, so . . . not much to give "OMG!  AWESOMESAUCE!!!!" reactions about.

[katie9918]

Personally, I don't care about Sami and Chad/Abigail, and I'm honestly appalled for Sami's sake that it seems like she gives a damn and is wasting her time not only on Abigail, but on the disgusting Dimeras, who did far worse for far longer to her family than Abby ever had to do with. As for the rapist EJ, Sami SHOULD HAVE counted herself lucky to be rid of his slimy, odious presence (especially after already having been raped once), but apparently James Scott's "hotness" is a free pass for his rapist character.  :/

 

Almost like, along with a ridiculous wild goose chase for a jerk (Sami's rapist, btw) who wasn't even worth any of the other time she wasn't on him unless she genuinely feared the Dimeras (which, considering EJ had already raped her, wasn't an out of line fear). 

Edited October 20, 2017 by katie9918

[MsTree]

If that kiss Sami planted on Chad was to make Abby jealous, it was all kinds of childish & ignorant. You're what now? 40+?  Grow the fuck up!

[Star Aristille]

2 hours ago, katie9918 said:

As for the rapist EJ, Sami SHOULD HAVE counted herself lucky to be rid of his slimy, odious presence (especially after already having been raped once), but apparently James Scott's "hotness" is a free pass for his rapist character.  :/ 

Technically, twice -- once by E.J., once by proxy (Arnold Feniger/Fake Rafe).

[TigerLynx]

The idiot writers are wasting AS/Sami's time on Slappy because they are still trying to make the boring twit happen, and it won't work.

I don't like the Sami/EJ stuff, but since AS does not want to return full time, I understand why they don't want to revisit Sami/Lucas or Sami/Rafe.

The rest of Sami's time on canvas should be spent with Lucas and Kate trying to find Will.

[pau]

4 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

The idiot writers are wasting AS/Sami's time on Slappy because they are still trying to make the boring twit happen, and it won't work.

I don't like the Sami/EJ stuff, but since AS does not want to return full time, I understand why they don't want to revisit Sami/Lucas or Sami/Rafe.

The rest of Sami's time on canvas should be spent with Lucas and Kate trying to find Will.

And thankfully : Sami/Rafe almost destroyed Sami and Lucas is not strong enough as a character for Sami, moreover she friendzoned him a long time ago..She deserve better than these two pairings !! However i can enjoy many scenes between Sami and Lucas when he doesn't berate her.

And Sami's time on canvas should be spent with Lucas and Kate trying to find Will but also on her OWN family like her mother, her brother, her father..even on her aunts/uncles if possible and obviously on her grand-daughter but not on nobodies like Chad, Abby and Andre !!

Edited October 20, 2017 by pau

[Chick2Chic]

It's good to have Sami back to bring some energy to the show. She's still in love with EJ and mourning her husband, but since she couldn't find him, she gave up hope that he's really alive. That was a good scene with Sami and Marlena about her feelings. I suspect the Will story will renew Sami's hope, though.  I want to see Sami interact more with her own Brady & Black family members and a lot less of her dragging Chabby & Lucas along to give them purposes aside from being dead weight she has to carry to make relevant. 

Sami confronting Abby about Abby's bad choices and how irrelevant she is I found not very satisfying because it's not KM in the Abby role. Plus TPTB are still bad at writing Abby because she does selfish, vain things but is constantly praised as THE BEST EVUH and rarely made to be responsible for her own stupid decisions. It's tedious and not how a heroine should be written, IMO. I think MM is better in the Abby role cause she can play sympathetic and warm in ways KM couldn't remotely channel but Abby is still a terrible character at this point. 

Edited October 20, 2017 by Chick2Chic
additioooon.... addition!

[Apprentice79]

18 minutes ago, Chick2Chic said:

It's good to have Sami back to bring some energy to the show. She's still in love with EJ and mourning her husband, but since she couldn't find him, she gave up hope that he's really alive. That was a good scene with Sami and Marlena about her feelings. I suspect the Will story will renew Sami's hope, though.  I want to see Sami interact more with her own Brady & Black family members and a lot less of her dragging Chabby & Lucas along to give them purposes aside from being dead weight she has to carry to make relevant. 

Sami confronting Abby about Abby's bad choices and how irrelevant she is I found not very satisfying because it's not KM in the Abby role. Plus TPTB are still bad at writing Abby because she does selfish, vain things but is constantly praised as THE BEST EVUH and rarely made to be responsible for her own stupid decisions. It's tedious and not how a heroine should be written, IMO. I think MM is better in the Abby role cause she can play sympathetic and warm in ways KM couldn't remotely channel but Abby is still a terrible character at this point. 

Abby is a terrible character.  I liked her when Ashley Benson played her. Her sibling relationship with Nick was endearing. They both had obsessive qualities. Even back then, the show hinted that could have been an obstacle for Abby to overcome in her characterization.  The show should have  written her as an anti-heroine instead of a heroine.  She is Jack's daughter and Jack was no saint.  Abby struggling with her moral compass and her sanity could have been a good beat for the show to play.

Edited October 20, 2017 by Apprentice79

[rcc]

Good episode today. Alison with very good scenes with Eric and Nicole. I've always liked the sarcastic and spunky Sami. The maid marrying Victor and Bonnie. lol Judi has been very good with the Bonnie role. She plays conniving vamp very well.

Goodbye to Ari Zucker. I will miss her. Great soap actress and did her best with the crazy storylines that she was given. When she left with Holly she said she would be back. Maybe after making movies with and without Shawn her character will find her way back to Salem. Or recast. I hope not.

[Star Aristille]

4 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

Abby is a terrible character.

Meh.  I like her just fine, so not really.

[Apprentice79]

1 minute ago, Star Aristille said:

Meh.  I like her just fine, so not really.

To each his own. I find her repulsive, violent and hypocritical. I remember how she treated Chloe because she felt Daniel belonged with her mother.  Yet, she wanted sympathy, when Sami was gunning for her for sleeping with her husband. I am not the biggest Sami fan, but, I hated how Sami was neutered for her.  

[Star Aristille]

Just now, Apprentice79 said:

To each his own. I find her repulsive, violent and hypocritical. I remember how she treated Chloe because she felt Daniel belonged with her mother.

I agreed with her, so again, not really.

And really?  Repulsive?  Violent?  Hypocritical?  That's pretty much every person in Salem, so . . . kind of loses steam.  Certainly not going to hate her for any of those.

[Harmony233]

39 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said:

To each his own. I find her repulsive, violent and hypocritical. I remember how she treated Chloe because she felt Daniel belonged with her mother.  Yet, she wanted sympathy, when Sami was gunning for her for sleeping with her husband. I am not the biggest Sami fan, but, I hated how Sami was neutered for her.  

Abby def annoys me and the fact that Sami was treated as the villain and Abby the innocent victim when she had an affair with Sami’s fiancée is ridclous and now Abby’s best friend with Andre makes her annoy me even more lol.

[Frozendiva]

Hopefully the Bonnie storyline is well on its way to wrapping up. About time Adrienne has made some progress in terms of getting out of her jail home.

Or she can bring back the 80s and Dynasty back to the show. Well, she did find a use for that white dress. And Maggie's brooch that Mickey gave to her?

A little too convenient that Justin did not answer the phone. And too convenient about the maid all of a sudden getting licensed to marry people.

Brady, time to grow up and take responsibility for your own actions - those are what did you in, along with your neediness, need to control, and other shortcomings. 

Sami, you haven't been around in a while so maybe Nicole did change. Again, shoot first and ask questions later.

Eric, can I come to your home and throw things and break things? Surely someone will have to spend a few days cleaning up the broken china, glasses, and cleaning up the nice cake. And it'll cost a lot of money to buy new stuff. You know your brother - clue in and figure out that he probably threatened Nicole with something. Too bad Nicole couldn't write a letter to say, someone like Jennifer and ask that she give it to Eric or whoever 6 months from now - having it contain the real reason she left.

The return of the mysterious Dr. Rolf!

[pau]

38 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

 

Sami, you haven't been around in a while so maybe Nicole did change. Again, shoot first and ask questions later.

 

 

Nicole did change ? I did not watch the scenes but from what i read she doesn't seem to have changed..she just killed a guy (who was her lover of course) and strung along two (not really brothers) brothers, used one and cheated on him with the other one..typical Nicole..one of my most hated soap character ever by the way and i never understood why Eric was so obsessed with her..don't get it..i don't see the attraction at all.

Actually the rare times i could tolerate her was when she was with Daniel and sometimes Brady..ha. She seemed less smug, bitchy and full of herself..and yet i still managed to avoid her scenes..Nothing against the actress (who is quite good) but the character i really disliked.

Edited October 21, 2017 by pau

[buffynut]

When Bonnie was on before, was she this ditzy and brain-dead?  Because no way could Victor divorce Maggie and re-marry on the same day, and I really hope the show isn't trying to make us believe that he can and that he is really being black-mailed. It has to be a set up, and hopefully everything is going to blow up in Bonnie's face on Monday, and this stupid, yet humourous at times, storyline will be over. I did laugh when Victor told Brady he divorced Maggie this morning, so the maid could marry him & Adrienne.  And when Brady said "I feel like I should say something" at the objections question.

Bye Nicole. It seems like such a long time ago that I read she was leaving. Wish the show didn't tape so far in advance, so spoilers would happen faster. And about spoilers, there's still a few things I know, but was happy to see Rolf show up yesterday, so another one crossed off the upcoming list.  I've stopped looking for spoilers, and no longer read the weekly ones, and I do think it's helping to make the show more enjoyable. 

Wonder who they'll pair Brady up with now? Chloe? Is there anyone else?

Haven't missed the teens, and ff'd through the Claire/Theo scenes the other day.  

I feel like I don't know adult Sami.  I know the character from when she was jealous of Carrie & Austin, and was always trying to break them up. I don't even think I was watching when Will was born, so the only adult version of Sami I saw was briefly in 2014 when she was about to marry EJ, then left Salem. So it's almost like watching a new character. 

So far, I'm liking Ron's material, and November sweeps will be here shortly.  

[kitmerlot1213]

15 hours ago, Harmony233 said:

Abby def annoys me and the fact that Sami was treated as the villain and Abby the innocent victim when she had an affair with Sami’s fiancée is ridclous and now Abby’s best friend with Andre makes her annoy me even more lol.

I remember how the EJami wedding was filmed, with all of the camera shots to Abs, as though she was supposed to be the bride and Sami had stolen her man.  Sami was treated as the villain because she dared to hold Abby accountable for her horrible life choices and none of the Hortons wanted to hear it.

[msrachelj]

although i like the actress (abby) you can't erase history . well you can in a soap! but for conversations sake:

in some ways this abby is worse because the first one gave the slutty look and qualities out in the open . this one they have acting and dressing like a saint but underneath it all she was also nasty, though somehow she had miraculously changed into a virginal good girl.

[DisneyBoy]

45 minutes ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

I remember how the EJami wedding was filmed, with all of the camera shots to Abs, as though she was supposed to be the bride and Sami had stolen her man.  Sami was treated as the villain because she dared to hold Abby accountable for her horrible life choices and none of the Hortons wanted to hear it.

Oh yes. I hated that wedding, especially the way it focused on Abby. And Sami's hideous hair extensions.

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

 Sami was treated as the villain because she dared to hold Abby accountable for her horrible life choices and none of the Hortons wanted to hear it.

Including her son. As if Abby accidentally fell into bed with EJ.

[buffynut]

15 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Including her son. As if Abby accidentally fell into bed with EJ.

I started watching again just before the wedding. So the first I saw of Abby was her pretending to be Sami's friend, while Sami pretended not to know Abby slept with EJ. So I automatically hated Abby. And when Will, who I'd never seen before either, wrote the scandalous article about his mother, I automatically hated him too. The current Abby is the type of character I think Jennifer's daughter should be, so I pretty much forget all hateful things the KM version of Abby did. And I think Ron is trying to do the same, and only wrote that "Sami kisses Chad" scene, because of the "elephant in the room", and that it will not be mentioned again.

[TigerLynx]

If Sami isn't going to have sex with Chad, and laugh about how easy both Chad and Slappy are, I would rather it not be mentioned at all.  If Sami is going to be trading snark with anyone, it should be Kate, Nicole and Andre.  Mostly, however, Sami's focus should be on Will.  Real Sami would never waste time trying to appeal to Andre's better nature (he doesn't have one).  Kate also wouldn't put up with any nonsense from Andre if she thought he or Rolf knew anything about Will.  The writers should review history.  Sami has no problem shooting Dimeras or their henchmen.  The writers should also review Sami, Lucas and Kate's history when it comes to Will.  All three of them would burn down anyone who got in their way of finding out if Will is alive or not.

[pau]

4 hours ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

I remember how the EJami wedding was filmed, with all of the camera shots to Abs, as though she was supposed to be the bride and Sami had stolen her man.  Sami was treated as the villain because she dared to hold Abby accountable for her horrible life choices and none of the Hortons wanted to hear it.

So insulting..one of the worst story this soap did these last years..as far as i am concerned..many stopped watching after this bs..once AS left, they left..ha.

[DisneyBoy]

4 hours ago, buffynut said:

The current Abby is the type of character I think Jennifer's daughter should be, so I pretty much forget all hateful things the KM version of Abby did. And I think Ron is trying to do the same, and only wrote that "Sami kisses Chad" scene, because of the "elephant in the room", and that it will not be mentioned again.

Very nicely put.

 

Strangely, I kind of liked that Kate Mansi's Abigail was this horrible person because it just goes to show how so many sanctimonious wealthy white people from "good neighborhoods" could turn out to be self-absorbed sociopaths who don't give a thought to anything beyond their own immediate wants and victimhood. Of course, Jennifer wasn't being written especially well either, what with her constantly harping on anyone who got close to Daniel and perpetually defending her children or acting so shocked that gasp! JJ might try drugs!!! or gasp! Abigail's proven track record with men might not have magically improved overnight!! Jennifer sucked and was oblivious of it, so I thought it was rather fitting that Abigail was even worse and twice as oblivious.

Jennifer and Abigail as they are written now are much more in line with what I think the show always wanted. But nobody seems to be satisfied by the way the show has sidestepped years of their history of being terrible, so how does one address all that history while still making the rootable characters? I don't know that Ron has found the answer yet.

 

So I watched Friday's episode and enjoyed Sami's scenes but...that was Nicole's farewell? Hasn't AZ been on the show almost as long as AS? There wasn't much fanfare from what I could see. I do hope Nicole comes back for two weeks and ushers Eric off the canvas if and when that eventually happens. I definitely think Eric is an important part of the show right now and I don't want him to leave, but I don't want this stuff with Nicole to drag out either. I really kind of hate it when they just bring a love interest back for a last episode cameo - a la ER - to say that the other half of the couple is finally getting their happy ending. I actually want to see Nicole and Eric together as a couple for a while and I'm really pissed off that we're not going to get it. Still, if the actress was leaving Ron didn't have much time to correct course and he did a really good job in the last month or two of getting them to where we wanted them to be all along.

I think we can add Eric's tantrum to the increasingly long list of terrible Character Trashes Room in Anger scenes this show has become infamous for. I would really appreciate it if they avoided this trope for two years because I just can't deal with it anymore. It's the same thing every time. You can practically watch the actors trying to decide how long to wait before trashing the next item. It never feels spontaneous and it always feels really boring and trite.

I laughed when I saw Sheila's multicolored cue cards. So high school and so funny. It didn't make any sense though that she couldn't stay "institution" but the word "unadvisedly" just rolled off her tongue.

I definitely expected Sami to rip Kate a new one over marrying Andre.

Liked seeing Sami and Eric share some cake. It's like the show never makes time for things like this anymore. Glad it was included.

[pau]

6 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

 

 

Strangely, I kind of liked that Kate Mansi's Abigail was this horrible person because it just goes to show how so many sanctimonious wealthy white people from "good neighborhoods" could turn out to be self-absorbed sociopaths who don't give a thought to anything beyond their own immediate wants and victimhood. Of course, Jennifer wasn't being written especially well either, what with her constantly harping on anyone who got close to Daniel and perpetually defending her children or acting so shocked that gasp! JJ might try drugs!!! or gasp! Abigail's proven track record with men might not have magically improved overnight!! Jennifer sucked and was oblivious of it, so I thought it was rather fitting that Abigail was even worse and twice as oblivious.

Jennifer and Abigail as they are written now are much more in line with what I think the show always wanted. But nobody seems to be satisfied by the way the show has sidestepped years of their history of being terrible, so how does one address all that history while still making the rootable characters? I don't know that Ron has found the answer yet.

 

The worst kind of people in fiction AND in the real world imo, so self-righteous on the outside and so rotten in the inside..the worst.

10 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

11 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

. Still, if the actress was leaving Ron didn't have much time to correct course and he did a really good job in the last month or two of getting them to where we wanted them to be all along.

 

 

I understand you like/enjoy this pairing but me, i never wanted them to be together all along..no.

[Star Aristille]

4 minutes ago, pau said:

I understand you like/enjoy this pairing but me, i never wanted them to be together all along..no.

Well, others, including myself, did, so I was happy with it.  Always will be.