S06.E11: Gators And Haters

[swankie]

And I don't particularly like JIm, but these morons just don't understand his position of "conflict of interest" in socializing with Joe Guidice.

 

 

Conflict of interest should have kept his ass off the show....period.

[Rahul]

I think Jim has to be gay. There is no way he is not gay; I've said this since episode one. I can almost guarantee you that Amba is his beard. Mark my words: Jim is gay and he has a crush on Bobby.

 

Although I was not originally of that opinion, I came to the conclusion that Jim was a closeted homosexual a few episodes ago when I saw how his sartorial choices, speech and mannerisms became more and more flamboyant with every progressing talking head. I think he got a little too comfortable with the interviews and forgotten to keep up appearances in the process. Now he's in some kind of full-on raging bitch mode.

[heebiejeebie]

 

 

 

 

3. Which brings me to my next point of view. Jim. I think Jim has to be gay. There is no way he is not gay; I've said this since episode one. I can almost guarantee you that Amba is his beard. Mark my words: Jim is gay and he has a crush on Bobby.

 

 

 

 

Actually there are more ways Jim can not be gay than hours in the day.  In no way shape or form does he "have to be" by the behavior we saw tonight.  Whether he is jealous for Bobby or of Bobby, heterosexual men tend to have more issues with their buddies than they do their wives and girlfriends.

 

I'm so hoping some day it is the cast member people like and admire and aspire to that gets the "hey he's sooooo gay".  Instead we just get the assholes who have all kinds of other issues thrown at us.  it's like Ronald Reagan is alive and well.

[outtosee]

I'm a huge ally. My brother is gay. I am HIGHLY aware of the issues facing the LGBTQA community and I make it a point to volunteer for the community. I didn't say he was gay because of this episode--I am simply stating that I believe his feelings for Bobby are not entirely platonic. So don't call me an asshole. I'm not the only one who has this opinion, by the way.

 

And I love and admire Rosie. She is "soooooo gay."

Edited September 29, 2014 by outtosee

[ToukieSmith]

Where's NeNe when you need her? This would've been a good opportunity to tell Jim off about being all up in women bid'ness.

I think I would pay to see that.  Can you just imagine Nene towering over Jim with her hand on her hip and jerking her neck left and right?  That would be excellent!!

 

I wonder if he would continue mouthing off at her?

[breezy424]

I've said a number of times here that I like and miss Kathy's mom.  Tonight showed why!  Finally, someone who said what everyone on this show has been afraid to say.  If you do something wrong, it will catch up with you. 

 

What the heck was Dina crying about?  She has a nephew with severe developmental issues and she doesn't even bother to reach out to her brother or his child but she's crying over people she just met.  Give me a break Dina....and you want to take home the alligator without a tail.  How about your own nephew?  how about getting over yourself and reaching out for him.

 

I don't think any of us are in any position to say that they think Jim is a homosexual.based on seeing him for probably less than an hour of air time on a reality show.  He's a guy with a big ego who needs to prove it all the time.  He wants everyone to think that he's better than everyone else on the show.  The problem is that he just comes off showing how insecure he really is. 

[heebiejeebie]

I never called you an asshole.  My post clearly says

"Instead we just get the assholes who have all kinds of other issues thrown at us."

 

So unless you are Jim MArchese in this conservation or any of the other reality show men who get labeled just from a matter of a few minutes of their entire lives get their sexual identity defined for them by posters here?  I'm not sure how you think I called you an asshole.  I did not mean even in the slightest by lack of clarity to accuse someone here of being an asshole. 

 

And no matter how great anyone feels about gays, it is still an accusation to determine and declare someone else's sexual identity in a way that says they are lying dishonest and that their gender is something you or anyone else can parse just by hearing or looking at them.  I know this board supports the wholoe "it's my opinion policy on the matter.  But I since I would never make someone's race a judgement call. Or say their religious ethnicity.  I'm not going to sit and let people claim all kinds of happy joyous thoughts about gays still make what I a gay man see as a homophobic rooted tendency.  Gay men are some of the worst when it comes to sexual identity shaming and accusing.  So you could be the first gay man or woman on the moon and it doesn't mean you can't still practice bad form.  So ban me away.  But defining someone else by a sexual orientation that he or she does not publicly espouse is rooted in homophobia whether anyone likes it or not.  You can think it.  But when you start declaring it for them?  I say that goes too far.  Even if fly all the rainbow flags in the world from your front porch.

Edited October 9, 2014 by maraleia
edited preference to orientation

[chabelisaywow]

 

Jim has this terrible style of arguing. He doesn't just want to win a fight; he wants to win, burn the crops, salt the earth, and bring about nuclear winter. He just can't stop.

 

I have a nickname for him - scorched earth.

You couldn't have shut him up even if you stuck a tail less gator in his mouth.

[outtosee]

And no matter how great anyone feels about gays, it is still an accusation to determine and declare someone else's sexual identity in a way that says they are lying dishonest and that their gender is something you or anyone else can parse just by hearing or looking at them. 

 

But who said that? Nobody said "Jim is an asshole, therefore he must be a bitchy ole queen!" We're simply saying that based on what we have seen of his interactions with Bobby, he is acting more like someone who is involved with him in a more than platonic way, whether actually or only in his mind. He is way too venemous with Bobby and way too obsessed with him to be just someone who views him as a friend. YMMV.

[Betweenyouandme]

But who said that? Nobody said "Jim is an asshole, therefore he must be a bitchy ole queen!" We're simply saying that based on what we have seen of his interactions with Bobby, he is acting more like someone who is involved with him in a more than platonic way, whether actually or only in his mind. He is way too venemous with Bobby and way too obsessed with him to be just someone who views him as a friend. YMMV.

I think Jim just wants airtime, and there have been several people on this franchise who the last part of your post could apply to in my opinion if you switch out names. Tamara Barney and Shannon. Terry Dubrow and mr. Beador, Aviva and Carol, Kenya and Porsha....etc. etc.

Not trying to be rude. I just think people can be vile and overly involved sticking their nose where it doesn't belong without being sexually attracted to the other person.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Betweenyouandme

[heebiejeebie]

I said asshole. I defined Jim as the asshole.   You prefer venomous obsessive.  As the means to say he must be gay.  Yeah I wish we could call this whole thing off.  I'm done.

[Muffyn]

What the heck was Dina crying about?  She has a nephew with severe developmental issues and she doesn't even bother to reach out to her brother or his child but she's crying over people she just met.  Give me a break Dina....and you want to take home the alligator without a tail.  How about your own nephew?  how about getting over yourself and reaching out for him.

Let's add to this that she has a nephew with severe developmental disabilities whose parents are in bankruptcy and therefore may not be able to continue to pay for some of his treatments, but she crying over relative strangers.  Maybe should could focus on that.  Also, she wouldn't be alligator chow; her various critters would.  (Although the video of the cat scaring off the alligator makes me think he hairless kitties could hold their own.) 

[outtosee]

I said asshole. I defined Jim as the asshole.   You prefer venomous obsessive.  As the means to say he must be gay.  Yeah I wish we could call this whole thing off.  I'm done.

 

What are you even talking about? I said he is venemous and obsessive towards Bobby, therefore he must have feelings for Bobby. This is not a qualifier of all gay men; it is simply a qualifier of Jim as he related to Bobby. I didn't qualify him as being gay because he is a venemous and obsessive person. You're grasping at straws here. I simply said if someone is venemous and obsessive over another human being the way that Jim is obsessive over Bobby both on the show and in real life, they probably have feelings for that person: gay or straight. I'm straight. If I obsess over a man... I probably have feelings for him.

 

And that's all I'll say about the matter. Nowhere did I intend to paint all gay men with the same brush (not at all), so I apologize for the offense. I'm definitely not speaking for all gay men--I'm just speculating re: Jim's own behavior with Bobby. Nothing more, nothing less. Internet truce? :)

Edited September 29, 2014 by outtosee

[Betweenyouandme]

Erm.

Well...does anyone know if the Guidice girls calling each other "Shem" is from a slang word?

[outtosee]

I actually thought they were trying to say "shim" and I was really disappointed in them tbh. :(

[poeticlicensed]

I never got a gay vibe from Jim, but really, how can someone know another's orientation from a slice of their behavior. My take on Jim is he is a self aggrandizing asshole who thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the room. He decided early on that she was going to be the truth cannon and lay everyone out and the audience would be applauding him and rushing to his door to get mortgages. The problem with being a self proclaimed truth cannon and is that your fellow castmates will hate you, there's no guarantee the audience will appreciate it and you had better be sure of your truths r you will look like an asshole. Kathy's mom can be a truth cannon because she is a nice lady who has nothing to gain. She doesn't have an agenda, unlike Jim. I hope he is enjoying his 15 minutes. 

Edited October 9, 2014 by maraleia
changed preferences to orientation per correct terminology

[theplotchickens]

For what it's worth, I too, think that Jim's obsession with Bobby goes far beyond the platonic. His endless twitter diatribes are... interesting. But we can all agree he's a major tool too.

[LotusFlower]

Outtosee - I get what you're saying about Jim's obsession about Bobby, but maybe it's a leap to assume there are romantic or sexual feelings behind it. He's pretty much shown himself to be an asshole, so to me, his nastiness to Bobby is simply yet another manifestation of his typical behavior.

I also think the other poster (heebiejeebie?) makes an important point about subtle forms of homophobia. Everyone, at least on this board, seems to agree that Dim Jim is an asshole. Wouldn't it be great if one day when people say "I bet he's gay" - it's referring to someone universally liked and admired. In other words, not someone like Jim.

[outtosee]

I totally get it. Completely. It's not cool to have bad qualities associated with gay people and to be assaulted with that almost daily by media and I respect that, understand it, and feel horrible about it. I wish it weren't like that (again, Rosie is universally liked and admired and she is gay!). But I think the misunderstanding here is that I am passing a judgement on Jim and Bobby alone, and not a community on the whole. And I know I'm not the only one on this board who feels that way. Anyway, I've gone way too OT here so I'll not say anything more about it!

[LotusFlower]

I totally get it. Completely. It's not cool to have bad qualities associated with gay people and to be assaulted with that almost daily by media and I respect that, understand it, and feel horrible about it. I wish it weren't like that (again, Rosie is universally liked and admired and she is gay!). But I think the misunderstanding here is that I am passing a judgement on Jim and Bobby alone, and not a community on the whole. And I know I'm not the only one on this board who feels that way. Anyway, I've gone way too OT here so I'll not say anything more about it!

I understand. Another post on the subject talked about Jim's so-called "effeminate" behavior, which is, imo, getting into offensive territory. That's the danger. It's subtle. It's hard not to take things personally when someone responds to you, or maybe misunderstood your point, but I did think Heebiejeebie made a good point that made me think.

Jim kept referring to Bobby as a girl in tonight's episode ("Go join your friend with the skirt," "She's hiding in the bathroom like a little girl"), and I think this kind of labeling is similar. Even something true can be offensive. And speaking of offensive, Jim even made fun of a transgender woman on Twitter. A real winner, that one. So I think things can range from mild to outrageous on the PC scale.

Edited September 29, 2014 by LotusFlower

[SuzWhat]

One of the definitions for Shem in the Urban Dictionary is an abbreviation of "fa Shem" meaning sperm of the devil. (my device keeps capitalizing Shem.)

I'm going with that meaning. I am sure Melania, er.... I mean the kids, have been called that often by now.

[snippysnarker]

Where is Howard when you need her lol. Please tell me what 'shim' means. Is it a character or something? Not meaning to offend, I really have never heard that word before.

[Kitkat52]

The one I really feel for is Nicholas. In my opinion, his parents are not really exposing his many issues, but exploiting them. Shouldn't their sessions be private moments, not for millions of viewers?

Edited September 29, 2014 by Kitkat52

[Rhetorica]

Where is Howard when you need her lol. Please tell me what 'shim' means. Is it a character or something? Not meaning to offend, I really have never heard that word before.

It's a combination of she and him - shim. It's used sometimes online when you don't know someone's gender. It's also used in a derogatory way sometimes when referring to transgender.

[Kerrey92]

The translation under the kids when they were talking said that word meant "leader". TPTB had the word leader italicized in the captioning usually indicating a foreign translated word.

Jim isn't a truth cannon. He is a shit stirrer. And not a very likable one. His whole attitude and all the nonsense was so out there and uncalled for. It can only be producer driven drama.

As someone who lived through the Jersey winter and all that snow I visibly shook when I saw the piles of snow by brother Guidice's driveway.

[motorcitymom65]

I think that Amber aptly described Jim in this episode. She said he is angry at Bobby and feels betrayed, and he will never let it go - never. He is not going to let up until he destroys him. That is just the kind of person Jim is.

For the record, I always felt like Bobby started this whole thing. Yes, Jim is clearly a tool, but most of my impressions of Jim being a dick come from his social media rants - not as much from his behavior on the show. He told Bobby and Bobby alone that he wouldn't feel right socializing with Juicy because of the fraud charges. Clearly this is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, since he signed up to be on a reality show with this guy. However, he was sharing this with Bobby and Bobby didn't mock him or call out the obvious during the conversation. He listened and acted like he understood where Jim was coming from. Then Bobby goes to all of the other guys and completely mocks Jim for what he said. I don't think that Jim intended for Bobby to share this in the way that he did, certainly when he saw the footage he was probably surprised to see the way that Bobby seemed to delight in making Jim look stupid in front of all the other fellas. Clearly Jim has an endgame and at this point I think it is strictly to destroy Bobby. I think he intends to do it at all costs. I also think he probably has a lot of shit on Bobby, because I firmly believe Bobby is as big of a dick as Jim is, which is why they have been friends for a dozen years.

Of all the dumb things on this episode watching Bobby run and hide in the bathroom was the dumbest. And what was with Teresa (I think that it the twin that is not dating him, but for some reason cannot keep it straight) going to try and get him out of the bathroom? That was strange to me. Almost as strange as Dina crying. Why the fuck is Dina crying about any of this? It has never appeared to me that family drama makes her that emotional.

[Daisy head]

It's been some time since I watched the boys night episode, but didn't Bobby actually not tell the men what Jim really said? He made up some bogus excuse about Jim not wanting to be around the Joes & their fighting, not the whole overinflated conflict of interest. It was Nicole who told Melissa as tit-for-tat after Melissa divulged what Amber had informed her of regarding the home wrecking incident. I guess you could make the argument that he shouldn't have told Nicole, but I definitely don't remember him mocking Jim with the guys at their night out. All of that was only after the little dick showed his true colors at the first responders party by being so offensive to everyone. I'm sure Bobby can be as jerky as anyone on these shows. Was his hiding in the can immature? You bet. But I don't see how this blow up is his fault.

[motorcitymom65]

It's been some time since I watched the boys night episode, but didn't Bobby actually not tell the men what Jim really said? He made up some bogus excuse about Jim not wanting to be around the Joes & their fighting, not the whole overinflated conflict of interest. It was Nicole who told Melissa as tit-for-tat after Melissa divulged what Amber had informed her of regarding the home wrecking incident. I guess you could make the argument that he shouldn't have told Nicole, but I definitely don't remember him mocking Jim with the guys at their night out. All of that was only after the little dick showed his true colors at the first responders party by being so offensive to everyone. I'm sure Bobby can be as jerky as anyone on these shows. Was his hiding in the can immature? You bet. But I don't see how this blow up is his fault.

You know what, I think you are correct about his making the excuse about the fighting, although I thought he also mentioned the conflict of interest. Wasn't he still kind of making fun of Jim for not wanting to be around the fighting? I could have that wrong as well.

[jinjer]

 

I think that Amber aptly described Jim in this episode. She said he is angry at Bobby and feels betrayed, and he will never let it go - never. He is not going to let up until he destroys him. That is just the kind of person Jim is.

 

Jim kept referring to Bobby as a girl in tonight's episode ("Go join your friend with the skirt," "She's hiding in the bathroom like a little girl"),

Jim reminded me of Jac on the reunion when she went after Joe Giudice and accused him of cheating on Teresa.  Same type of behavior as Jim.  "I'll laugh my balls off when she (Twin 1) finds out that Bobby has a condo where he's been banging a chick for a year."  "He tried to sleep with Victoria Gotti and he f'd your mother."  I agree it is a scorched earth policy with the two of them.  They both act like jilted lovers.  Doesn't mean it's sexual.  Just that they feel so betrayed by people they loved.

[ghoulina]

4. Why did Bobby hide in a bathroom like a little kid? That was so bizarre.

 

My impression was that Bobby knew he was going to snap on Jim and he wanted to remove himself from the situation before he did. Why the bathroom? Maybe it was the only room with a lock? Maybe he could pretend he was taking a dump so the cameras couldn't follow him? I don't know, but generally when I feel like I'm losing my cool with my kids I go into the bathroom, because it's the one place in the house that it's understood you leave people alone (although, with little kids that doesn't ALWAYS work. But they have never tried to break the door down with their butt ala Teresssa). 

 

If Bobby is a juvenile asshole who never sees his kids and cheats on all of his girlfriends, why is Jim friends with him? The way Jim describes Bobby makes it seem like Bobby is not the type of person Jim would be close friends with and yet he is and hurt by the break up of their friendship. I feel like Jim is single white femaling Bobby. He's talking shit about Bobby, but he wants to be him.

 

Couldn't agree more. They were friends for TWELVE years, but it's only NOW that all of Bobby's moral deficiencies start bothering you? Okay then. 

[ghoulina]

However, he was sharing this with Bobby and Bobby didn't mock him or call out the obvious during the conversation. He listened and acted like he understood where Jim was coming from. Then Bobby goes to all of the other guys and completely mocks Jim for what he said. I don't think that Jim intended for Bobby to share this in the way that he did, certainly when he saw the footage he was probably surprised to see the way that Bobby seemed to delight in making Jim look stupid in front of all the other fellas.

 

I have a really crappy memory, so I may be wrong, but I don't remember Bobby mocking Jim to the other guys? From what I recall, Jim did not give anyone but Bobby a reason why he wouldn't be at the bowling party. So when he wasn't there and people wanted to know why, Bobby felt compelled to say something. And I remember him choosing NOT to say anything about the Giudices legal case, but instead saying Jim didn't want to be around the Joes because they are known for physical fighting. I felt like, at the time, he was trying to look out for his friend. Jim was the one who snapped on Joe Gorga and told him his real reason (stupid as it may be). 

 

And, again, correct me if I'm wrong - but Jim wouldn't have seen any footage of Bobby with the other guys until after filming anyway, right? It's not like he would have seen something that colored his behavior during the rest of the season. 

[ToukieSmith]

I never got a gay vibe from Jim, but really, how can someone know another's orientation from a slice of their behavior. My take on Jim is he is a self aggrandizing asshole who thinks he's smarter than everyone else in the room. He decided early on that she was going to be the truth cannon and lay everyone out and the audience would be applauding him and rushing to his door to get mortgages. The problem with being a self proclaimed truth cannon and is that your fellow castmates will hate you, there's no guarantee the audience will appreciate it and you had better be sure of your truths r you will look like an asshole. Kathy's mom can be a truth cannon because she is a nice lady who has nothing to gain. She doesn't have an agenda, unlike Jim. I hope he is enjoying his 15 minutes. 

My take on Jim is that his lack of social skill is magnified a billion times on TV.  I think he has been given an assignment by the producers, but he lacks the finesse to pull it off.

[One Tough Cookie]

(again, Rosie is universally liked and admired and she is gay!).

 

 

Not by this poster.  I find her dumb and annoying and I wish she'd take the short bus off my screen.

 

Agree with Jacqueline is doing her son a disservice with the cameras.  And Chris just sat there with a face that said "I can't believe this is my life now.  What the fuck?....."

Kathy and Richie--no thank you.

[ghoulina]

Agree with Jacqueline is doing her son a disservice with the cameras.  And Chris just sat there with a face that said "I can't believe this is my life now.  What the fuck?....."

 

Yea, Chris did NOT look happy in that scene. Not that he should sit there beaming from ear to ear while doing therapy with his son, but he just came across really emotionally checked out and exhausted at that moment. 

[heatherchandler]

Where is Howard when you need her lol.

Oh god no! Don't summon the devil.

We are all adults here and we can work it out. No need for a hall monitor.

Also, I thought Howard was a dude.

As for Jim, he isn't actually bothering me. Bobby does seem like a jerk. He's got his new friends now, he's mocking Jim behind his back (literally! he was making faces behind his back and pretending to choke him!). Wtf???

And calling Nicole stupid, and literally running from her? That's fucked up.

[Grey Goose]

Not by this poster.  I find her dumb and annoying and I wish she'd take the short bus off my screen.

 

Agree with Jacqueline is doing her son a disservice with the cameras.  And Chris just sat there with a face that said "I can't believe this is my life now.  What the fuck?....."

Kathy and Richie--no thank you.

Really, "take a short bus off my screen" and in the same post you think Jacqueline is doing her son a disservice with the cameras?  How nice that you can be critical of a mother with a special needs kid and then make fun of someone by implying they need to be on the "short bus".   

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[breezy424]

If people feel that Jac is doing a disservice or exploiting her autistic child by having his journey filmed for TV, then what should parents of autistic children do?  Should there be no documentaries showing autistic children?  No stories on TV news programs?  How are people going to fully understand autism if no child can be shown or talked about?  Or any other child with special needs for that matter.  Should they be kept behind closed doors like they have in the past?

[SFoster21]

Almost as strange as Dina crying. Why the fuck is Dina crying about any of this? It has never appeared to me that family drama makes her that emotional.

Fully in sympathy with Dina. She's the hostess and her nice party is now officially ruined.

[tvfanatic13]

I am asking this question very seriously, and trying not to be "boards on boards", but is there anyone here who actually likes Jim? I can't find one redeeming quality that I have seen but maybe someone is seeing something I am not. To me he is nothing more than a twerp.

[Iguessnot]

If people feel that Jac is doing a disservice or exploiting her autistic child by having his journey filmed for TV, then what should parents of autistic children do?  Should there be no documentaries showing autistic children?  No stories on TV news programs?  How are people going to fully understand autism if no child can be shown or talked about?  Or any other child with special needs for that matter.  Should they be kept behind closed doors like they have in the past?

 

Really a strange situation. TV and magazines are chocked full of stories of disease, disability and abuse of children, all who are featured without the so-called consent they can't give. I've never heard anyone complain about the Save the Children campaigns because those children are featured without their consent. 

 

So what follows, if you don't like Jacqueline or Teresa and can't get them off the tv, start demanding that all children be banned from tv. Nanny state indeed.

[motorcitymom65]

Fully in sympathy with Dina. She's the hostess and her nice party is now officially ruined.

No sympathy from me. Not for any of these gals that come on the show and acts as if they expect for any vacation/ party/dinner to be civil. Dina was around for the original Bravo dinner from hell - the Teresa table flip. She said afterwards that this event was in large part the reason she left - that the show had become dark and ugly. Now she is back and she was well aware of what she was signing up for. The tears didn't seem authentic to me and if they were, she has issues.

Edited September 29, 2014 by motorcitymom65

[poeticlicensed]

I have no problem with the cameras showing Nicholas. What I do have a problem with is Jaq blubbering in every scene. Yes, an autism diagnosis is devastating. But her entire persona seems to be constantly teetering at the edge of a breakdown. I'd rather watch Nick. And I also take exception to Chris and Jaq using their son as an excuse for their bad financial behavior. Like they were making choices between  paying their bills or getting Nick treatment. Talk about revisionist history. I would love to know what Rita Wilson thought about Jaq on WWHL. She was so obtuse. What's a turret? Duh, every manse in NJ howifeland has one. It's a princess castle thing. Yeah Jaq. Mensa material you are not. 

 

Overall, the splicing in of Jaq and Kathy's scenes is not making the show better. It's boring. Like I really want to listen to Jaq read her texts to Teresa and Teresa reading Jaq's texts to her. Is a  walkthough of a framed house going to be featured on every episode? Snore. 

 

OMG, Joe's brothers look just like him. Grandpa Guidice (may he RIP) was carrying on like Joe's legal problems were ok, because no one is perfect. Whatever. I did appreciate the 11 grand daughters all together. That was so sweet.  

 

The producers must be saying silent thanks to the gods who brought them Tiny Jim. he is the only drama in the season. 

 

BTW Dina, Dogs don't have arms. When she said she had a dog with no arms, I said, well, who does have a dog with arms? I'd like to meet that dog. She is one weird chick. 

Edited September 29, 2014 by poeticlicensed

[Daisy head]

You know what, I think you are correct about his making the excuse about the fighting, although I thought he also mentioned the conflict of interest. Wasn't he still kind of making fun of Jim for not wanting to be around the fighting? I could have that wrong as well.

I really don't remember him making fun of Jim then. It seems like he was making excuses for him. But to be sure I'd have to go back & watch that epi again, &, I just can't... ;)

[ghoulina]

If people feel that Jac is doing a disservice or exploiting her autistic child by having his journey filmed for TV, then what should parents of autistic children do?  Should there be no documentaries showing autistic children?  No stories on TV news programs?  How are people going to fully understand autism if no child can be shown or talked about?  Or any other child with special needs for that matter.  Should they be kept behind closed doors like they have in the past?

 

To me, the difference is the intent. A documentary is reaching out to a very specific audience (people with Autistic kids, or those looking to learn more about it). It's purpose is to help, educate, and inspire others. This is Real Housewives of New Jersey. Jac can say all she wants that she shows Nick for those purposes, but I do not believe it. I believe she is exploiting him for her storyline. I see her one of the biggest famewhores who ever famewhored, and since Tre isn't biting when she sends those "I wish I could give you a hug" textez, she needs something else to show the cameras. I realize many won't agree, but this is how I see it. 

 

It's true that no Autistic kid like Nicholas could consent to being on camera, but I'd like to think if he grew up and knew he had been featured in something that was really reaching out and trying to help people, he'd be okay with it. Whereas I don't know if he'd see the point in having his struggled shown for 2 minutes on his mother's trashy reality show. I have a daughter who I've just realized is probably on the spectrum and I'm feeling really frustrated with a lot of her issues. Watching Jac and Nick hasn't helped me in any way. It just makes me feel uncomfortable. Obviously I cannot speak for everyone, so I'm just going on what I feel. 

[zoeysmom]

Fully in sympathy with Dina. She's the hostess and her nice party is now officially ruined.

I agree.  Dina was maybe sympathetic towards Nicole and Jim's insistence on outing Bobby's infidelity and lack of a proposal.  I think Dina has lived it and would not wanted it on TV.  It hurts to be humiliated.  Dina had a short sweet answer on Twiiter: "Plus, I was drunk."

 

I find it annoying when people circle in on a single company and start applying the pressure for commitment.  I thought Bobby did the right thing by removing himself after Jim started down the path he was going.  I do think Nicole is emotionally immature-stupid may have been harsh but she comes off as such teenybopper.  Her- 'when you see a man you know you are going to spend the rest of your life with him', was pure drivel.  Big words in front a group of people  the majority of whom have been divorced.

[racked]

Kathy's new house looks like it's going to be another monstrous mansion. Disappointed in that, but was happily surprised to see her mom say that Tre and Joe did something wrong. No one else on this show has been willing to say that! 

 

I can see Jim having more than platonic feelings for Bobby. Or I can see him being jealous of Bobby. Either way, there's something unwell about Jim. And Bobby is no prize. Telling Nicole she's so stupid, hiding in the bathroom? And not to be completely shallow but the scene of him coming out of the pool, his body kind of grossed me out. 

 

Joe and Melissa Gorga were kind of fun last night! Enjoyed watching their shocked faces on the couch. 

[zoeysmom]

To me, the difference is the intent. A documentary is reaching out to a very specific audience (people with Autistic kids, or those looking to learn more about it). It's purpose is to help, educate, and inspire others. This is Real Housewives of New Jersey. Jac can say all she wants that she shows Nick for those purposes, but I do not believe it. I believe she is exploiting him for her storyline. I see her one of the biggest famewhores who ever famewhored, and since Tre isn't biting when she sends those "I wish I could give you a hug" textez, she needs something else to show the cameras. I realize many won't agree, but this is how I see it. 

 

It's true that no Autistic kid like Nicholas could consent to being on camera, but I'd like to think if he grew up and knew he had been featured in something that was really reaching out and trying to help people, he'd be okay with it. Whereas I don't know if he'd see the point in having his struggled shown for 2 minutes on his mother's trashy reality show. I have a daughter who I've just realized is probably on the spectrum and I'm feeling really frustrated with a lot of her issues. Watching Jac and Nick hasn't helped me in any way. It just makes me feel uncomfortable. Obviously I cannot speak for everyone, so I'm just going on what I feel. 

Last night on WWHL, Andy asked an incredibly uncomfortable question about Nicholas progress.  It had to do with just how much could be recovered and some kind of determination.   The implication was Nicholas would not be fully recovered.

 

Jacqueline has always said it is about her journey raising an autistic child.  After all, these shows are suppose to be about the women and their families.  The scenes with the child don't bother me as I can empathize with the struggle Jac and Chris go through for just the smallest amount of progress.

[shoegal]

I don't see Nicholas being on the show as any different than the other children who are on the show.  None of them can consent, not even Gia IMO.  I don't know why Jacqueline is any more at fault for Nicholas being filmed than any of the other ladies with minor children.  Personally, I would prefer none of the minor children be featured in any significant way, but I don't think Nicholas is being exploited any more or less than any of the other kids.  The "reality" is, Jacqueline has an autistic child. 

[SFoster21]

I agree. Dina was maybe sympathetic towards Nicole and Jim's insistence on outing Bobby's infidelity and lack of a proposal. I think Dina has lived it and would not wanted it on TV. It hurts to be humiliated. Dina had a short sweet answer on Twiiter: "Plus, I was drunk."

I find it annoying when people circle in on a single company and start applying the pressure for commitment. I thought Bobby did the right thing by removing himself after Jim started down the path he was going. I do think Nicole is emotionally immature-stupid may have been harsh but she comes off as such teenybopper. Her- 'when you see a man you know you are going to spend the rest of your life with him', was pure drivel. Big words in front a group of people the majority of whom have been divorced.

Wasn't it posted that "Bobby and Nicole" are for the show only? He seems like the Atlanta Walter, not really interested marrying this bimbo.

And why should he be? He's allegedly wealthy, with options galore.