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That was one of the saddest episodes I've seen in a while but it had it's uplifting moments.

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I didn't expect to see death like this and it stayed with me long after the show. I notice this year is very depressing with less lighter areas. I am glad the complaint that was racist wasn't dragged out. Being part of an interracial couple myself from the 80's, I cringe at what is to come for Cyril and Rosiland. It never ends but was even worse then I'm sure. It wasn't pleasant for me.

I never realized the adoption of May wasn't finalized and I'm glad that's over.

I really like the new postulant and I hope the relationship with her sister flourishes and I like how Sister MJ took her under her wing.

 

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On 4/15/2025 at 9:10 AM, marceline said:

It's so strange to me that a family would reject a daughter because she wanted to join the religious life but then I realize that women's only value back then was the hope they could marry well.

The heroin couple was so sad. The wife asking her husband to do drugs with her had to be one of the most evil things I've ever seen on this show.

I never thought they’d both die

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18 hours ago, marceline said:

I will never understand the reasoning behind editing the eps for airing in the U.S. It's such an unnecessary annoyance for American viewers. 

It's worse if you're a Passport member. Why can't we get full episodes?

Is there anyway to see them? It's not like PBS can't fit it all in or there are commercials. Sometimes someone would say what they were but actually seeing the scene I guess is not possible. That scene seems like it would be important. (not there yet in US) Another time I didn't understand something in the past and on FB someone told me of a missing scene that helped explain it, it was something with the nuns. Frustrating for sure.

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On 4/15/2025 at 9:10 AM, marceline said:

The heroin couple was so sad. The wife asking her husband to do drugs with her had to be one of the most evil things I've ever seen on this show.

I didn't realize how bleak that storyline was going to get.  Though I wouldn't say the wife was evil, so much as she was engaging in addict-type behavior. 

On 4/15/2025 at 9:10 AM, marceline said:

It's so strange to me that a family would reject a daughter because she wanted to join the religious life but then I realize that women's only value back then was the hope they could marry well.

I don't know that is true.  After all, the show is full of working women, both married and single.  I think it's more a lack of understanding as to why a child would give up a secular life to become a nun.  They don't understand the choice, are angry that they cannot control their child, so they go to a favorite old standby, i.e. threatening to cut off the child unless they get their way.  I did like that they had Sister Monica Joan bring up her own estrangement from her family.  It's nice to see continuity and it gave Sister Monica Joan something substantial to do during the episode.      

I will say I thought the storyline with the malingering mother trying to manipulate her son into caring for her forever wrapped up way too easily.  She faked falling down the stairs to try to trick him into staying(!).  To me that signals some serious mental health issues, but they didn't really address that.   

I was glad Joyce was absolved of any wrongdoing by the nursing board. 

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On 4/20/2025 at 6:29 PM, txhorns79 said:

I didn't realize how bleak that storyline was going to get.  Though I wouldn't say the wife was evil, so much as she was engaging in addict-type behavior. 

I don't know that is true.  After all, the show is full of working women, both married and single.  I think it's more a lack of understanding as to why a child would give up a secular life to become a nun.  They don't understand the choice, are angry that they cannot control their child, so they go to a favorite old standby, i.e. threatening to cut off the child unless they get their way.

 

 

Yes, the wife was not evil, she was an addict in the very early and vulnerable days of recovery.

Although I'm sure my grandparents hoped their children would get married if that's what they wanted, the first priority on both sides was a good education for their children. My parents and their siblings (born in 1920s and 1930s England) all went to excellent universities and went on to have successful and meaningful careers.  My grandmothers, born in the 1890s, both worked in respectful and respected jobs, even after they were married.

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The addicted couple story was very sad. I’m glad the kids were taken in by the grandparents. I did not realize Methadone was around at that time. I always thought it was a new-ish drug. And I’m saying this as an ex- pharmacy technician of 15 years. 

I also thought Mae had been adopted by the Turners a long time ago. 
I’m glad Sister Kathleen will at least have her sister on her side. 
The best part of this depressing episode was Joyce being exonerated. 

On 4/15/2025 at 8:10 AM, marceline said:

It's so strange to me that a family would reject a daughter because she wanted to join the religious life but then I realize that women's only value back then was the hope they could marry well.

 

I think another reason was that the oldest or only daughter was also expected to stick close to home to take care of the parents in their old age. 

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We used to have somebody on this board who had access to the uncut version and would fill us in on what we missed. I forget why she could no longer do that. It’s frustrating knowing that there are entire scenes that we can’t see. It never made any sense to me.

Methadone has been around for quite a while I guess, though it’s shown as still in the experimental stages. It helped the physical craving but not the emotional and the husband wasn’t strong enough to resist his wife. So very sad. 

The episode description was about Joyce’s disciplinary hearing, but I kept wondering if they were ever going to get around to it. It seemed kind of shoeboxed in at the end of a very busy episode, though I’m glad it wasn’t dragged out. 
 

I mean, this episode had everything but the kitchen sink…they even managed to squeeze in May’s adoption! 
 

Was that a real movie? I forgot to make note of the name so I could google it. 

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May's outfit for the adoption reminded me of one of the greatest sentences I ever read online: The 1970s-the decade that took one look at color theory and threw it in the trash.

The collar, the colors, and the pattern were so 1970s. I could just imagine Shelagh  picking it out and asking the salesperson if they didn't have something more subdued (the answer being no, because it's the early 1970s). 

Rosiland asking Joyce for fashion advice was stupid on so many levels. First of all, Joyce had much larger and more important things on her mind. Second, why would anyone ask Joyce for fashion advice when Trixie is around?  

I hope this night proves to Cyril that being part of a romantic couple with Rosiland is a horrible idea. It won't because love makes you stupid, but her reaction to the prejudiced jerks should have been a giant red flag, a loud siren signaling Danger! Danger! She is completely unaware of what she is getting into and is not ready for what she will be experiencing on a regular basis with him. 

I want the jacket Rosiland wore to the movie. I love that print. 

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2 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:

Was that a real movie? I forgot to make note of the name so I could google it. 

Bronco Bullfrog (1970), starring a bunch of unknown folks from Poplar. According to the trivia on IMDB, "A 2010 Guardian article reported that the British Princess Anne was jeered by a group of youths from Leyton in East London because she snubbed the film's release in favour of Olivier's 1970 release of Three Sisters."

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Having the heroin father give in to temptation with his wife was a tragic surprise for this show. Normally we’d see such a person find the strength to resist for the sake of the children and put the mother into treatment.

Joyce’s hearing was so fast and drama free I’m surprised they even bothered. Maybe it was a required formality but was without evidence that any negligence occurred? Definitely a she said, she said with only a statement from the patient and testimony from Joyce’s supervisor. I expected the decision to be drawn out over a few weeks. 

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1 hour ago, Haleth said:

Having the heroin father give in to temptation with his wife was a tragic surprise for this show. Normally we’d see such a person find the strength to resist for the sake of the children and put the mother into treatment.

 

Not this season!  This season the parents of the baby with spina bifida watch their baby be loaded up and driven away and do not have a change of heart. This year the wife of the man in the iron lung dies of cancer and the Turners give him a framed poem to make it better.  This season both drug addicted parents die.

 

1 hour ago, Haleth said:

 

Joyce’s hearing was so fast and drama free I’m surprised they even bothered. Maybe it was a required formality but was without evidence that any negligence occurred? Definitely a she said, she said with only a statement from the patient and testimony from Joyce’s supervisor. I expected the decision to be drawn out over a few weeks. 

Yes, I thought sure they would drag it out until the husband of the racist patient stepped up and told the truth.

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9 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

May's outfit for the adoption reminded me of one of the greatest sentences I ever read online: The 1970s-the decade that took one look at color theory and threw it in the trash.

The collar, the colors, and the pattern were so 1970s. I could just imagine Shelagh  picking it out and asking the salesperson if they didn't have something more subdued (the answer being no, because it's the early 1970s). 

Rosiland asking Joyce for fashion advice was stupid on so many levels. First of all, Joyce had much larger and more important things on her mind. Second, why would anyone ask Joyce for fashion advice when Trixie is around?  

I hope this night proves to Cyril that being part of a romantic couple with Rosiland is a horrible idea. It won't because love makes you stupid, but her reaction to the prejudiced jerks should have been a giant red flag, a loud siren signaling Danger! Danger! She is completely unaware of what she is getting into and is not ready for what she will be experiencing on a regular basis with him. 

I want the jacket Rosiland wore to the movie. I love that print. 

I kind of liked this potential for a story around Cyril. 

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My public library has DVDs of each season with the uncut British version of the episodes.  I request each season (they don't have this season yet) and then do a re-watch so I can get all the parts I've missed.  The DVDs usually are available in late June.  

Does PBS edit other shows?  I watch All Creatures Great & Small and I've never heard this complaint about those episodes. 

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I guess stories about heroin addicts rarely end well but this was tragic. I was so hoping the father would take the baby and walk away. It's lucky the midwife and Cyril came around to check on them when they did. And that the wife's parents were willing to take care of the children.

The story about the mother manipulating her son - at least that ended well. I got a kick out of Nurse Crane catching her out time and again. How stupid of her to just set her cup and saucer down on the bottom step, surely her son would have noticed that too.

The whole thing with Joyce sure went out on a whimper. 

I'm just not feeling Rosalind and Cyril, it doesn't feel organic to me.

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I feel like all the stories last night needed more time and were resolved far too quickly.

On 4/15/2025 at 9:10 AM, marceline said:

It's so strange to me that a family would reject a daughter because she wanted to join the religious life but then I realize that women's only value back then was the hope they could marry well.

Eh, by 1970 women had a lot more value than just hoping they would marry well, and we don't know that the postulant came from a family rich/important enough for that to matter at all.  If her family wasn't religious, they could have seen her choosing to become a nun as a complete rejection of everything she was brought up to believe.  It's extreme to turn their backs on her for that reason, but as someone who finds the idea of joining the religious life completely inexplicable, I can see it even if I don't agree with it.

On 4/17/2025 at 11:42 AM, marceline said:

It's worse if you're a Passport member. Why can't we get full episodes?

You'd think that would be a perk of being a Passport member, wouldn't you?

On 4/20/2025 at 9:29 PM, txhorns79 said:

I will say I thought the storyline with the malingering mother trying to manipulate her son into caring for her forever wrapped up way too easily. 

I thought all of the stories were wrapped up too easily.  I was glad that Joyce was exonerated, but that hearing seemed too empty and over too quickly.  Wouldn't the woman have been there too?

 

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On 4/20/2025 at 9:29 PM, txhorns79 said:

   I will say I thought the storyline with the malingering mother trying to manipulate her son into caring for her forever wrapped up way too easily.  She faked falling down the stairs to try to trick him into staying(!).  To me that signals some serious mental health issues, but they didn't really address that

The episode could have done with one or two fewer stories (drug couple, Mae, Joyce, mother/son). But this was addressed with Phyllis talking to her about being afraid to life without her son. She had devoted her life to taking care of him and as her world grew smaller, she hung on to him more and more and became more and more unable to move from her bed. It's similar to when people retire and no longer have a reason for how they live their lives. Some people adapt easily and more on to other interests but for others, it becomes hard to find another reason for getting out of bed in the morning.

I liked that at the end they had her walking with canes because she couldn't regain muscle strength that quickly.

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

I'm just not feeling Rosalind and Cyril, it doesn't feel organic to me.

Yes. Ordinarily that's a story that I would be rooting for but it feels forced.

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14 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

May's outfit for the adoption reminded me of one of the greatest sentences I ever read online: The 1970s-the decade that took one look at color theory and threw it in the trash.

The collar, the colors, and the pattern were so 1970s. I could just imagine Shelagh  picking it out and asking the salesperson if they didn't have something more subdued (the answer being no, because it's the early 1970s).

May's outfit certainly stood out in relation to her parents on either side, but then I realized it could be early winter (everyone was wearing coats outside) and this was a Christmas outfit.  In general, Shelagh has great fashion sense. 

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1 hour ago, proserpina65 said:

I thought all of the stories were wrapped up too easily.  I was glad that Joyce was exonerated, but that hearing seemed too empty and over too quickly.  Wouldn't the woman have been there too?

It's an administrative hearing.  The woman would have already been interviewed at some earlier point after she filed her complaint.   

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Yes. Ordinarily that's a story that I would be rooting for but it feels forced.

I feel like it exists to give Cyril a justification for remaining on the show. 

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3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I'm just not feeling Rosalind and Cyril, it doesn't feel organic to me.

I could see her having a crush and wanting a relationship with him. I do have a problem with Cyril; he knows what they're getting into and hasn't clearly explained it to her (I have the same problem with Guess Who's Coming to Dinner). Because he's older and has more lived experience, he needs to explain in clear explicit detail what entering that kind of romantic relationship will mean for her; all of the challenges. Joyce tried, but she really needed to hear it from Cyril. I know love makes you stupid, but can it really make you THAT stupid? 

1 hour ago, proserpina65 said:

 I was glad that Joyce was exonerated, but that hearing seemed too empty and over too quickly.  Wouldn't the woman have been there too?

I agree with @txhorns79. She was probably interviewed separately. It makes sense to keep accused and accuser far apart and try to avoid having them cross paths. As others have said, there was going on they didn't need more drama. 

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40 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

(I have the same problem with Guess Who's Coming to Dinner).

THANK YOU! This storyline reminds me of everything about GWCTD that makes me want to scream. You can't go into an interracial relationships with that level of naivete. I love that movie but I want to shake Joey in it.

Rosalind wanting to confront those racist men drove me crazy. What exactly did she think she would accomplish?

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25 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

It's an administrative hearing.  The woman would have already been interviewed at some earlier point after she filed her complaint.   

That makes some sense, but it still seemed to have been wrapped up too easily.

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

But this was addressed with Phyllis talking to her about being afraid to life without her son. She had devoted her life to taking care of him and as her world grew smaller, she hung on to him more and more and became more and more unable to move from her bed. It's similar to when people retire and no longer have a reason for how they live their lives. Some people adapt easily and more on to other interests but for others, it becomes hard to find another reason for getting out of bed in the morning.

Pretending to throw herself down the stairs so that her son would feel guilty and not leave her was a major red flag and Phyllis' explanation did NOT cover the pathology of such deranged behavior, imo.

13 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

As others have said, there was going on they didn't need more drama. 

I would've cut the mother-son story and held it for a later episode, and dealt with Joyce's situation in more depth.

 

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49 minutes ago, marceline said:

THANK YOU! This storyline reminds me of everything about GWCTD that makes me want to scream. You can't go into an interracial relationships with that level of naivete. I love that movie but I want to shake Joey in it.

I can forgive Joey and Rosalind because they are young, they are naive, they have no idea how much of the world works or thinks and what exactly they are getting into. They think love is all that matters, and they are wrong. I get mad at Cyril and John (the lead in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner). Because they older, more mature, and have a pretty good idea what is going to happen, what to expect, and the fact that they have not made it explicitly crystal clear to their romantic partner some of what a relationship with them will entail makes me angry.  

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10 hours ago, Haleth said:

Having the heroin father give in to temptation with his wife was a tragic surprise for this show. Normally we’d see such a person find the strength to resist for the sake of the children and put the mother into treatment.

My question is: did he think he could go back to heroin and still parent his children, or did he feel there was no help that would work for his wife and the best way out was for both of them to end it all?

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9 hours ago, Calvada said:

My public library has DVDs of each season with the uncut British version of the episodes.  I request each season (they don't have this season yet) and then do a re-watch so I can get all the parts I've missed.  The DVDs usually are available in late June

Thanks for this info, I just checked my library and they have them, too.  I assume if they're from the BBC those are the full length unedited episodes, right?  Now I just have to find a DVD player, haven't had one in a long time. 

27 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Thanks for this info, I just checked my library and they have them, too.  I assume if they're from the BBC those are the full length unedited episodes, right?  Now I just have to find a DVD player, haven't had one in a long time. 

All I can tell you are the ones in my library system are the unedited episodes, so I assume yours would be too.  Good luck finding a DVD player.  Perhaps a friend has one?  Or your library offers them for a small rental fee?  My library system lends out a lot of things that are not traditional for a library.  For example, I can get a bird watching kit with a pair of binoculars and a book on birds.  My library also offers a free mending service, with volunteers from the Sewing Machine Project who will mend clothes while you wait.  Libraries are our greatest resource!  My local library is celebrating its sesquicentennial this year.  

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1 hour ago, Quilt Fairy said:

 Now I just have to find a DVD player, haven't had one in a long time. 

You can buy inexpensive DVD players all over the internet (amazon, bestbuy, home depot, etc).

If you're going to buy one, I'd suggest paying a little extra for one that is region free. That way, if you decide to buy any discs (particularly those put out by BBC), it will be compatible.

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On 4/20/2025 at 9:29 PM, txhorns79 said:

I think it's more a lack of understanding as to why a child would give up a secular life to become a nun.  They don't understand the choice, are angry that they cannot control their child, so they go to a favorite old standby, i.e. threatening to cut off the child unless they get their way. 

I wonder if the fact that it's an Anglican order has something to do with it. Nuns are a lot more common in Catholicism, and there it used to be something that was even encouraged, for younger daughters especially. It was an honor for a Catholic family to have one of their kids go into religious life. But the idea of nuns is really rare in Protestantism and might strike fervent Protestants as "popish." I would think most Protestants are entirely unaware that there are any Protestant nuns. I can imagine a parent's reaction to be "You want to do what?" Though disowning a kid and cutting off contact seems to be a rather extreme response. And she has a sister, so it's not that they're losing all chance at grandchildren.

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4 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

Nuns are a lot more common in Catholicism, and there it used to be something that was even encouraged,

I can remember as a first-grader in Catholic school being asked as a class to stand and pray that we would be blessed to grow up and have a vocation as a priest or nun. This was 1960 when nuns still wore black floor-length dresses and long veils. I just couldn't make myself do it - a nun was the last thing I wanted to be!

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6 hours ago, Kenzie said:

I can remember as a first-grader in Catholic school being asked as a class to stand and pray that we would be blessed to grow up and have a vocation as a priest or nun. This was 1960 when nuns still wore black floor-length dresses and long veils. I just couldn't make myself do it - a nun was the last thing I wanted to be!

Ah yes, the "calling" that most of us wanted to avoid. 

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22 hours ago, eel2178 said:

My question is: did he think he could go back to heroin and still parent his children, or did he feel there was no help that would work for his wife and the best way out was for both of them to end it all?

I didn't get the feeling they were suicidal. He had told Dr. Turner that he still had cravings, and afterward Dr. Turner said that people in recovery were more vulnerable to accidental overdose. 

My guess was that she was having bad cravings and wanted him to help her and do it with her and the combination of her tears and his cravings made him think they could get high "just one more time." 

I think that's what the addicted person's brain is saying to itself all the time. After all, it's a sickness and the organ that makes good decisions is the organ that is sick.

It reminded me of when Jesse and Jane did heroin "just one more time" on "Better Call Saul."

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26 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

I didn't get the feeling they were suicidal. He had told Dr. Turner that he still had cravings, and afterward Dr. Turner said that people in recovery were more vulnerable to accidental overdose. 

My guess was that she was having bad cravings and wanted him to help her and do it with her and the combination of her tears and his cravings made him think they could get high "just one more time." 

I think that's what the addicted person's brain is saying to itself all the time. After all, it's a sickness and the organ that makes good decisions is the organ that is sick.

It reminded me of when Jesse and Jane did heroin "just one more time" on "Better Call Saul."

Isn't that kind of what happened with Sid Vicious? He had been clean as he was in jail, got out and did heroin. I've read it was more pure than what he had been used to and I read that his body wasn't prepared for the does as would be the case with this man. 

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On 5/12/2025 at 5:20 PM, Quilt Fairy said:

I just checked my library and they have them, too.  I assume if they're from the BBC those are the full length unedited episodes, right?  Now I just have to find a DVD player, haven't had one in a long time. 

I work in an academic library, and I've added all seasons available to my library's collection.  Season 13 just arrived the other day.  We also have a few portable DVD (and Blu-Ray) players that our students can check out and plug into their computers/laptops to watch DVDs.  Check with your local libraries, they may have some to check out (if not, DVD players are still available or at least the portable ones are).  Okay, I'll take my librarian cardigan off now. (ha ha)

When that invalid woman's son (I forget his name) came to her room and told her that he had put tea on the table downstairs and expected her to join him there I admit that I pointed at the TV and gave a loud 'Ha! Ha!' Nelson-style (from 'The Simpsons'). 

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On 5/12/2025 at 6:05 PM, Calvada said:

Good luck finding a DVD player.  Perhaps a friend has one?  Or your library offers them for a small rental fee?  My library system lends out a lot of things that are not traditional for a library.  For example, I can get a bird watching kit with a pair of binoculars and a book on birds.

Double checked on my library's website and they do have a multi-region DVD player available for members to check out!  They also have that bird-watching kit, too!

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On 5/12/2025 at 4:07 PM, eel2178 said:

I remember discussions in the mid 1970s (in the US) as to whether or not the methadone program was an ethical way to try to break a heroin addiction.

I had a friend who was hooked on prescription pain pills and his doctor prescribed methadone pills. Unless you go cold turkey on the original drug, the methadone just increases and enhances the effect of the original drug. 

I didn't get what Dr. Turner gave him to drink. He took a shot of something liquid then was handed a prescription, or bottle of pills. What did he drink?

21 hours ago, Kenzie said:

I can remember as a first-grader in Catholic school being asked as a class to stand and pray that we would be blessed to grow up and have a vocation as a priest or nun. This was 1960 when nuns still wore black floor-length dresses and long veils. I just couldn't make myself do it - a nun was the last thing I wanted to be!

When I was a kid we had a neighbor who was a former nun. She was in her 30’s and she and her husband had 2 little kids. She told my mother some interesting stories but I was too young to hear them. 
Honestly I had never heard of Anglican nuns until I started watching this show. And my dad was Anglican. But growing up in Quebec all nuns  I knew of were Catholic.

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15 hours ago, BooksRule said:

I work in an academic library, and I've added all seasons available to my library's collection.  Season 13 just arrived the other day.  We also have a few portable DVD (and Blu-Ray) players that our students can check out and plug into their computers/laptops to watch DVDs.  Check with your local libraries, they may have some to check out (if not, DVD players are still available or at least the portable ones are).  Okay, I'll take my librarian cardigan off now. (ha ha)

When that invalid woman's son (I forget his name) came to her room and told her that he had put tea on the table downstairs and expected her to join him there I admit that I pointed at the TV and gave a loud 'Ha! Ha!' Nelson-style (from 'The Simpsons'). 

I work at a library and we have portable DVD players. 

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