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Blakeston
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It's pretty hilarious that Belinda lived to become Tonya. She blew off Pornchai's business plans the same way that Tonya blew off Belinda's.

Penman61
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Chekhov’s blender lol

SeanC
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I was delighted that the final shot of him indicates that the spiel about his cuckold fantasy was apparently legit and not just some pretext for revenge on Saxon.

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ItCouldBeWorse

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  On 4/7/2025 at 1:44 PM, ahpny said:

For Greg/Gary, what guarantee does he have that Belinda won't take the money and snitch later? Her "word?" That's good enough?

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If she gave him up and he was convicted, she'd likely have to disgorge the 5 million.

  On 4/7/2025 at 1:56 PM, txhorns79 said:

She's made herself an accomplice to the crime by accepting money to keep quiet.  If she comes forward now, she loses the money and puts herself (and potentially her son) at risk for arrest.  That's a strong incentive to stay quiet.

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Yes.

I don't understand, though,  how she's going to keep that money without mentioning Greg.  Banks have to report deposits over $10,000 to the IRS to prevent money laundering.  So if the IRS contacts her about potentially owing taxes, she'd tell them that the money was a non-taxable gift from who, exactly?  Don't Swiss bank accounts exist for transactions like this?  

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:28 PM, txhorns79 said:

I would love to see if Belinda ends up having to explain where the 5 million came from, since her bank will have to report that kind of deposit to the feds.  You also need to remember that Belinda is not a master criminal.  For example, if she claimed the money came from Greg for her to start a spa, the next thing she'll be asked is to provide proof to support her story, which, of course, she does not have.         

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  On 4/7/2025 at 6:52 PM, LotusFlower said:

Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see any liability for Belinda.  If the Feds or the IRS or banks or the police ever inquire about the $5 million gift, she can say that she serendipitously recognized and met Greg/Gary from TWL in Hawaii (true), and that he offered her the money to follow through on his ex-wife’s promise to help her start her business (also true).  Of course there’s more to it, but Belinda can claim ignorance, especially re: Tonya’s murder. 

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Mentioning Greg would also be breaking the agreement that got her the money in the first place.  If Greg got caught, he would turn on Belinda.

  On 4/7/2025 at 6:06 PM, Jaundiced Eye said:

I was wondering about this too. Belinda needs to pay taxes on the $5 million, but how do you explain the transaction? It's not income, it's not a gift. Could it be classified as an investment in her possible future spa?

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Recipients don't pay taxes on gifts.  But she would likely have to "prove" it was a gift, which seems impossible without mentioning Greg.

  On 4/7/2025 at 6:12 PM, slowpoked said:

That’s easy enough to explain with paperwork. I’m sure Greg/Gary has an army of lawyers at his disposal to draft the agreement to be most tax beneficial, and most protective of him. I think it would be a gift. He already has a large estate anyway, 5M gift is a drop in the bucket when they all eventually do his estate planning.

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"Greg" can't be involved at all.  The money would have had to be transferred from some account that can't be traced to him.. Then Belinda would have to make up a credible story about who this account belongs to and why she received the money.  Otherwise, she will seem like a money launderer.

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:58 PM, ahpny said:

Greg/Gary and Belinda (and her son) could concoct some ostensible business proposal to cover the financial transfer, like Greg/Gary investing in her business proposal. In short, though she is clearly morally compromised, she is not clearly criminally compromised.

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If she comes forward, and Greg is convicted of Tanya's murder as a result, I don't think he'll concoct anything to help her keep the money.  Belinda and Zion would have to do it by themselves.

  On 4/7/2025 at 4:12 PM, iMonrey said:

We never learned why he thought that guy killed his father

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Because Rick's mother told him so.  She wound up ruining his life far more than the deadbeat father. (I guess his death is on both of them.)

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:17 PM, T Summer said:

Did anyone notice when Chelsea was explaining her spiritual bond with Rick to Saxon in a previous episode she said when they met he told her his whole life story and she was touched and determined to save him? It didn't fit with all their scenes revolving around  her being unable to get him to talk about what was bothering him.

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Yes, since he apparently didn't tell her that his father was murdered until they were in Thailand.  So I suppose the story she heard was less about his childhood and more about "this" and "that".  

  On 4/7/2025 at 7:22 PM, aghst said:

Did Hollinger have other children or he just have low opinion of Rick?

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He said last episode that he and Sritala had 2 daughters.  I guess he wasn't interested in a son who had pulled a gun on him and roughed him up.

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AstridM

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  On 4/7/2025 at 4:40 PM, KittyQ said:

I was disappointed with Belinda about this. I thought she betrayed her principles, although I thought that practically speaking, letting Greg/Gary believe she'd been bought off might be the way to get him off her track. After reading all these comments, though, I'm wondering if letting Greg/Gary buy her off for more money isn't smarter than refusing on principle. Money is clearly what drives his life, given Season 2 and how he's ended up in Thailand, so trading in the "currency" he values would convince him that she's no threat to him.

I do think that Belinda, like Piper, may have found that she can't live up to her own expectations of herself. We may see ourselves as being one thing, but when push comes to shove, comfort and safety can take precedence over our ideals.

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I’m hoping that once she gets home and feels safe again, she still files some kind of report dropping a dime on Greg. He shouldn’t get away with murder. I know I wouldn’t be able to live with letting him just get away with it, money or not.

AstridM

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  On 4/7/2025 at 6:17 PM, preeya said:

Absolutely.

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This is true for most shows for me.

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  On 4/7/2025 at 6:28 PM, Chaos Theory said:

While shooting a dude is unfortunate it did get him a job driving around a rich lady.  

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Unfortunate? IMO, he should be in prison for shooting Rick in the back. That was straight up murder, as far as I’m concerned. He could have detained him without shooting him in the back. I have no idea how Thai police let that slide. Shame on both Gaitok and Mook.

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CarpeFelis

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  On 4/7/2025 at 7:42 PM, SlovakPrincess said:

The fact that he’s willing to pay you 5 million means he did in fact murder her and now you’re morally complicit in the cover up whether they can pin a specific crime on you or not.  

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He didn’t murder her. We got hints that he was probably conspiring with the “high-end gays” to murder her, but her death ended up being an accident and an autopsy would have borne that out.

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RunningMarket

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Gaitok shot someone who several witnesses could identify as a murderer, so shooting him as he was technically fleeing would not be murder on his part, IMO. Whether right or wrong, he was also being told by his boss to do it, and we know that Gaitok was already feeling like he wasn't amounting to much.

I'm still reeling over the confirmation by Lochy that he deliberately did what he did to Saxon. Unless he's intellectual behind for his age, did he really think at the age of 18, being a people pleaser means crossing that huge of a line? It didn't work for me. Even if he was under the influence, he implied he made a conscious decision to do that.

I was actually hoping the show really would go there, and have the Ratliff family drink the poison and all die.

Overall, I didn't love this season and I really didn't love this finale.

 

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chaifan

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  On 4/7/2025 at 9:26 PM, CarpeFelis said:

He didn’t murder her. We got hints that he was probably conspiring with the “high-end gays” to murder her, but her death ended up being an accident and an autopsy would have borne that out.

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But it was an accident incident to a crime - kidnapping with the intent to murder.  In the US, if someone accidentally dies during the course of a felony, that will usually lead to murder charges.  If you rob a bank and the guard slips, falls and hits his head and dies, it's felony murder.  I'm not sure if you can also pin conspiracy charges to a felony murder, but I'm sure prosecutors could come up with something along those lines.  (In the US, who knows how it would have played out in Italy.)

And I think we got more than hints, right?  Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I thought it was certain that Greg was in cahoots with the murdering gay cabal.  

Eh, but of all the problems this show has, quibbling over whether Greg "murdered" Tanya or not (in an actual or just legal sense) is really low on my list of issues.  

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slowpoked

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  On 4/7/2025 at 9:26 PM, CarpeFelis said:

He didn’t murder her. We got hints that he was probably conspiring with the “high-end gays” to murder her, but her death ended up being an accident and an autopsy would have borne that out.

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I’m sure there’s a conspiracy to commit murder charge in there somewhere. But with all his co-conspirators gone, chances of Tanya’s death coming back to him is slim to none. If he had been clear-headed enough, there was no need to bribe Belinda into keeping quiet because, really, aside from recognizing him, what else can she do? People change names and move out of the country, it’s not unheard of.

Speaking of Tanya - how Mike White built up the circumstances of her death was night and day to how he did it with Rick/Chelsea/Jim in S3. And why Tanya’s death was both a pleasant surprise and a great payoff to the entire season’s story arc. Like it didn’t come out of nowhere where Tanya suddenly found out her husband conspired to have her killed to get her money and then having a gunfight with the mafia out of nowhere and only in the last 10 mins of the finale. 

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  On 4/7/2025 at 9:35 PM, RunningMarket said:

Gaitok shot someone who several witnesses could identify as a murderer, so shooting him as he was technically fleeing would not be murder on his part, IMO.

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In many jurisdictions, you can't shoot a murderer who's running away unless he's a danger to others (still has a gun).

  On 4/7/2025 at 9:39 PM, chaifan said:

But it was an accident incident to a crime - kidnapping with the intent to murder.  In the US, if someone accidentally dies during the course of a felony, that will usually lead to murder charges.  If you rob a bank and the guard slips, falls and hits his head and dies, it's felony murder.  I'm not sure if you can also pin conspiracy charges to a felony murder, but I'm sure prosecutors could come up with something along those lines.  (In the US, who knows how it would have played out in Italy.)

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If there were evidence that Greg paid any of the kidnappers to kidnap Tonya, he would be guilty of a crime.  In the US, he would also be charged with felony murder, as you said.

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Irlandesa

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  On 4/7/2025 at 7:16 PM, SlovakPrincess said:

Not sure that makes her liable but it puts her in a position where if authorities track down Greg and follow where his money is going, she could be questioned. 

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She's not liable.  She has zero first hand knowledge that Greg is culpable of any crime.  The last time she saw them, they were going off together. She wasn't in Italy with them. She barely even recognized Greg.

If I remember the headline in the paper correctly, all it said is that the Italian authorities wanted to speak to Tanya's husband about whether or not he was involved in the death but they couldn't find him.  I don't think they ever said he was officially on the run from the Italian law.

What Belinda has is knowledge of where Greg is.  That's not a crime because Greg being in Thailand isn't necessarily a crime.

 

  On 4/7/2025 at 7:42 PM, SlovakPrincess said:

The fact that he’s willing to pay you 5 million means he did in fact murder her and now you’re morally complicit in the cover up whether they can pin a specific crime on you or not.  

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It doesnt mean that at all.  Greg has fuck around money because of Tanya's death.  And when you have fuck around money, you can drop a few million to get someone to fuck off if it makes your life convenient.  It's why companies will often choose to settle with someone even if they think they're 100% in the right.  It ends up being cheaper and more convenient than trying to fight it. 

She would have to explain the taxes unless she had the money got into a Carribean account.

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Conotocarious

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So much faith in the justice system. Not really sure why. It is highly likely Greg would get away without his involvement being proved….its not a low standard. She willingly went with those high end gays. They all died of gunshot wounds inflicted by her before she  slipped and killed herself. It’s  going to be harder to prove kidnapping than many seem to think.

 

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Alexander Pope

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  On 4/7/2025 at 9:35 PM, RunningMarket said:

Gaitok shot someone who several witnesses could identify as a murderer, so shooting him as he was technically fleeing would not be murder on his part, IMO. Whether right or wrong, he was also being told by his boss to do it, and we know that Gaitok was already feeling like he wasn't amounting to much.

I'm still reeling over the confirmation by Lochy that he deliberately did what he did to Saxon. Unless he's intellectual behind for his age, did he really think at the age of 18, being a people pleaser means crossing that huge of a line? It didn't work for me. Even if he was under the influence, he implied he made a conscious decision to do that.

I was actually hoping the show really would go there, and have the Ratliff family drink the poison and all die.

Overall, I didn't love this season and I really didn't love this finale.

 

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I think that Lochy, as many have said, is completely lost and a mystery to himself.  He also says that Saxon doesn't care about anything but "getting off," and let's not forget that Saxon teased him in the first episode, so he deduced this from cues Saxon gave him.  His comment about people pleasing  is his attempt to explain himself, but there are other less "rational" reasons for what he did that he can't articulate, even to himself, and that Saxon won't own up to either.  The unconscious does exist!!

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SlovakPrincess

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  On 4/7/2025 at 9:44 PM, Irlandesa said:

It doesnt mean that at all.  Greg has fuck around money because of Tanya's death.  And when you have fuck around money, you can drop a few million to get someone to fuck off if it makes your life convenient.  It's why companies will often choose to settle with someone even if they think they're 100% in the right.  It ends up being cheaper and more convenient than trying to fight it. 

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But that would mean there was no dramatic conflict in this story at all then, that Greg is just seeking her out repeatedly to try and give her money when he’s not guilty and in no danger from the law, and she was silly to ever be scared of him
 

People can judge her choice whatever way they want but the point of the story was she was weighing whether to take money she herself called blood money from someone she believed killed Tanya, who very very likely did hire those men to kill Tanya (leading to her death at sea, even if somewhat indirectly), and explicitly to keep her mouth shut.

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slowpoked

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Rolling Stone gave the finale a thumbs down:

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-recaps/the-white-lotus-season-3-finale-1235310499/

 

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It was simultaneously predictable and nonsensical. The finale was followed by clips of White talking about his goals for this season, while also teasing what’s to come with the upcoming fourth season. “There’s always room for more murders in the White Lotus hotels!” he promised. At a certain point, aren’t the TripAdvisor reviews alone going to ruin their business model?

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RunningMarket

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  On 4/7/2025 at 10:05 PM, MollyB said:

I'd like to know how any of them had a battery left after they sat in a bag for a week.😉

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I'm guessing they powered down the devices before putting them in the bag.

One thing I'm still unclear on is if any of them actually figured out the news. Saxon sort of had a look on his face, but no one else did. You would think Victoria would be losing her shit if she knew. This is just another example of uneven writing and some odd directing choices this season.

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Irlandesa

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  On 4/7/2025 at 10:08 PM, SlovakPrincess said:

But that would mean there was no dramatic conflict in this story at all then, that Greg is just seeking her out repeatedly to try and give her money when he’s not guilty and in no danger from the law, and she was silly to ever be scared of him

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You're right that accepting that money is morally questionable if Belinda feels like she's taking money from a murderer.   Given how she behaves, she does feel that way. 

But Greg's actual culpability is separate from that.  The exchange of money here is for her silence about his whereabouts.  It's not a confession of his guilt.

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slowpoked

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  On 4/7/2025 at 10:11 PM, RunningMarket said:

This is just another example of uneven writing and some odd directing choices this season.

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Add to the clunky writing of Rick not rushing out of TWL with Chelsea when he came back. Even if say it was the last day/last night there, one would think he would still have some sense to rush out. Go to a different hotel or something. Wasn’t there a nearby hotel where the three ladies visited one day? Heck, stay at Chelsea’s new bff’s bald guy’s mansion for the night before you’re ready to depart the next day. I’m sure Rick could have made up something to Chelsea to get them both out of there.

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Roccos Brother

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  On 4/7/2025 at 2:33 PM, slowpoked said:

I don’t mind slow burning series/movies. One of my favorite movies ever was In The Mood For Love, and I know a lot of people who complained that that movie put them to sleep. 

It’s just that you want a great payoff too from all the slow burn. When ultimately nothing happens, then you’re just like, what the heck did I just watch?!

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My biggest gripe wasn't the slow burn, it was the fact that the padding involved SO. MUCH. REPETITION.

How many times do we need to see Timothy tripping on lorazepam or imagining a murder-suicide scenario in his head? I mean, really? 

Or how many times do we need to have Chelsea whine and moan about her concern for Rick, and her astrology babble?

Or how many times do we need to see Gaitok and Mook have the exact same conversation over and over and over again?

Etc. etc.

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Cosmocrush

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  On 4/7/2025 at 7:34 PM, Chaos Theory said:

I would really like to meet the person who wouldn’t take 5 million dollars to not tell the police the location of  a guy who may have possibly murdered a person you knew for a week....

...I absolutely would have taken that kind of money.   That kind of money would change my life and I wouldn’t look back.

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I don't know if I would take the money or not, seems like it would be easy to rationalize.  BUT, this money was extorted from a dangerous, alleged murderer, not offered as hush money.  That was the $100K number. 

I think there is a difference between an offer and extortion. 

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truthaboutluv

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  On 4/7/2025 at 1:52 PM, chaifan said:

I agree that the Belinda = Tanya comparison is a poor one.  I said the same earlier.  But the big thing here is nothing was promised to Pornchai.  That's my big issue with this comparison.  It could have been written to make the two plots more comparable, but there was literally a one sentence suggestion/ask by Pornchai, and an incredibly non-committal answer by Belinda.  If they had followed this up with going over spa plans over dinner, or even pillow talk after they slept together, then this would be more of a Tanya-esque situation.  But it's really nowhere near it.  

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THIS! Like I said, frankly, when dude brought up the idea of opening the spa together with Belinda, I felt as uncomfortable as Belinda looked in the moment. I wanted her to say, "when did me sharing my dreams of one day opening my own spa become a we?" Like I said that was presumptous as hell on 'ol dude's part.

Also, aside from Belinda understandably not wanting to stay permanently that close to crazy, murderer Greg/Gary, I never got the impression that her plans for having her own spa would ever be in Thailand. For one, it's very far away from her son and I assume whatever family she has and two, just a completely different world and culture than she is used to. My point being that 5 million or no 5 million, I never thought Belinda was sticking around Thailand. 

 

  On 4/7/2025 at 2:26 PM, MicheleinPhilly said:

I sincerely hope this season doesn't hog a bunch of undeserved Emmy nominations, although I'm sure it will. 

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And this, but you know it's coming. As far as I'm concerned, the only people deserving a nom is Jason Isaacs, the actor who played Rick and I guess Sam Rockwell just for that loony scene. Sam would have been perfect for Guest Actor but apparently, his appearing in the season finale put him over the screentime limit to be eligible for Guest Actor. But I know there's no way they're not nominating Parker, maybe Natasha Rockwell and who knows who else. I'm comforting myself with the knowledge that The Pitt has all the momentum behind it right now. 

 

  On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, Pi237 said:

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Except as others have reiterated - there was no spa agreement. Belinda shared her plans for HERSELF and this guy inserted himself into her plans, without invitation. 

 

  On 4/7/2025 at 4:15 PM, MollyB said:

It did seem that she liked him a lot when he stopped by at breakfast so I don't understand why she didn't invite him along on her new journey of wealth.

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Maybe because she'd just met him and wisely saw this as what it likely was - merely a fling. 

eta: On another note, was I the only one who thought HOLY SHIT! when it was revealed that Tanya had been worth half a billion dollars? Like yes, we knew she was rich, which is why Gary/Greg targeted her and then killed her for her money, but I didn't think she was that rich. 

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slowpoked

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  On 4/7/2025 at 10:27 PM, Roccos Brother said:

How many times do we need to see Timothy tripping on lorazepam or imagining a murder-suicide scenario in his head? I mean, really?

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This was what irritated me the most this season. It seemed that when Tim decided to be away from all their electronics, Mike White just threw his hands up in the air and rewrote Tim’s scenes over and over again with the pill popping but in a different shirt.

At least Chelsea had the mild storyline arc of being tempted by Saxon but turning it down each time. And Mook and Gaitok eventually went on that first date. 

  On 4/7/2025 at 11:51 PM, truthaboutluv said:

Maybe because she'd just met him and wisely saw this as what it likely was - merely a fling. 

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Yes, that was it for her, and IMO, nothing wrong with it. It’s not like she made any hints of settling in Thailand.

 

  On 4/7/2025 at 11:51 PM, truthaboutluv said:

But I know there's no way they're not nominating Parker

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God, I’d rue the day. Carrie and Leslie had way better acting than Parker, even on similar material (Leslie was also a housewife, IIRC). At least S2’s MVP Meghan Fahy lost to Jennifer Coolidge. Parker winning over potential co-star nominees would be like Haley Lu Richardson winning over Meghan, Jennifer and Aubrey.

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aghst

aghst

  On 4/7/2025 at 9:35 PM, RunningMarket said:

Gaitok shot someone who several witnesses could identify as a murderer, so shooting him as he was technically fleeing would not be murder on his part, IMO. Whether right or wrong, he was also being told by his boss to do it, and we know that Gaitok was already feeling like he wasn't amounting to much.

 

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Gaitok is a lowly-paid security guard.

Until recently he wasn't even armed.

He said himself that he wasn't going to fight the jewelry store robbers because it didn't go with his values.

Even if it wasn't at conflict with his belief system why would he kill someone on behalf of his boss?  He said the job wasn't important enough that he'd stay.  He was willing to start from the bottom somewhere else, which made Mook cool about going out with him again -- seriously why doesn't she just get an LBH who would give her the lifestyle she apparently wants?

Maybe Thai laws let business owners command their employees to kill.  Or they have the money and influence to keep the resort out of trouble.

 

But even if Sritala fixed it so the resort isn't in legal trouble, does want it known that her employees killed a guest at her behest?

It would be scandalous, especially if someone captured Gaitok shooting Rick in the back.  Conveniently, guests are heavily encouraged to give up their phones and other devices, maybe even dedicated cameras?  There may be security cameras but they won't release that footage.

However, the guests know that several people were slain during their stay, so the word of mouth would spread.  TWL Thailand should be finished as a desirable destination.

 

 

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Am I the only one who thought that the ONLY reason Pornchai tried to start something romantic with Belinda was so that he could hit her up for the spa partnership? I remember thinking how weird he was acting on his way to her bed and I couldn't figure out if the actor was bad or of the character he was playing was not as sweet as he seemed.

I don't think she was Tanya like at all towards him. He kept pushing and she was not even talking to him about it. She didn't even know him at all . They had about three breezy conversations total and that's a far cry from the way Tanya kept trying to convince her to go into business with her and when Belinda finally got into it and drew up her proposal Tanya flaked.

 

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yesferatu

yesferatu

  On 4/8/2025 at 2:43 AM, Caseyh1981 said:

So I guess nothing ever came of Kate recognizing Victoria? I thought that would come up again but it never did 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Right? Why? Also why did we see Florian's whole deal with his song? 
 

I am actually pissed off that I watched eight episodes and didn't get to see:

 

1) Chloe and Saxon react to Chelsea's death! 
 

2) The Ratliffs react to the big news about Tim and how much their lives were about to change! Also how did their resort bills get paid? Wouldn't his assets get frozen during their stay?

Everyone leaving the resort acted like they didn't just witness/survive a shooting with multiple deaths! 


 

 

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ItCouldBeWorse

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  On 4/8/2025 at 2:43 AM, Caseyh1981 said:

So I guess nothing ever came of Kate recognizing Victoria? I thought that would come up again but it never did 🤷🏻‍♀️

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I thought it was just to show how Victoria was not interested in anyone outside her immediate family, or social group back home. The Ratliffs are vastly superior to everyone, as she has reminded her children more than once.

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Cosmocrush

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  On 4/8/2025 at 3:09 AM, yesferatu said:

Everyone leaving the resort acted like they didn't just witness/survive a shooting with multiple deaths! 

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Didn't they show Laurie and Kate comforting Jaclyn  on the boat?  She would be understandingly upset after standing next to a man who was just shot to death. 

The Ratciffs however, would have something else on their minds as soon as they looked at their phones. 

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buttersister

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Pornchai on the dock, looking wistful as his proposed meal ticket motored away. Better luck next single lady.

As to Lochy blending his smoothie on top of that gross stuff—teen boys have different standards for gross.

Gaitok had realized Mook was terminally disappointed with him, his boss had refused his attempt at resigning, the powerful hotel owner had been murdered, the widow owner was screaming for him to do her a solid—so of course, she would reward him, yeah, bye, Rick. 

Rick’s mother, man. She loaded that weapon to get revenge on Jim. 

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Conotocarious

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  On 4/8/2025 at 3:37 AM, ItCouldBeWorse said:

I thought it was just to show how Victoria was not interested in anyone outside her immediate family, or social group back home. They are vastly superior to everyone, as she has reminded her children more than once.

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Leslie Bibb gave an interview where she said the interaction highlighted how invisible Kate felt to the world. I guess a lot of Kate’s insecurities were left on the cutting room floor but that was supposed to be one of several scenes illustrating that Kate actually isn’t as happy with some of life choices as she seems.

i will say however that I never for one second thought Kate would be telling Victoria about her husband’s impending arrest. People don’t do stuff like this in real life with someone they barely know. It feels majorly contrived, and I am not surprised so many people thought it would happen because I can think of many shows where that probably would happen because Hollywood loves to trot out the same contrived things. This show really doesn’t really give off that vibe. It’s not Gossip Girl.

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  On 4/8/2025 at 12:02 AM, slowpoked said:

 

 

God, I’d rue the day. Carrie and Leslie had way better acting than Parker, even on similar material (Leslie was also a housewife, IIRC). At least S2’s MVP Meghan Fahy lost to Jennifer Coolidge. Parker winning over potential co-star nominees would be like Haley Lu Richardson winning over Meghan, Jennifer and Aubrey.

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Fahy should have won over JC. She was the absolute MVP of last season. 

I think Walton G, Sam Rockwell and Carrie c**** will likely get nominated. I'd be happy to see Aimee Lou Wood get a nomination too, and I do think Parker Posey was hilarious. Patrick S was actually very good too. 

There  were a lot of things I wasn't especially happy with in the finale (yes, why didn't Rick get Chelsea and GTFO outa there immediately? being the biggest one), but overall, I found it fairly satisfying. I was very sad about Chelsea. Rick, too, but honestly, I think only death was going to end his torture. If he hadn't been played by WG, Rick would have irritated the hell out of me. Get therapy and get over it, man. Jeezus. But WG made me have empathy for him. Clearly Goggins HAD empathy for him, he very much personalized whatever back story he created for RIck (which he won't reveal), largely, I think, because he also took off to Thailand after his wife's suicide trying to find some peace and clarity...I think he very much empathized with Rick because he felt such a familiarity to him. And he definitely also romanticized the Rick/Chelsea 'love story.' 

Lochlan miraculously escaping death's clutches seemed kind of cheap, but I didn't really want to see him die either. I would like to see how the Ratliffs handled the news and honestly do think Victoria might have preferred he killed her rather than living with her newfound situation. But the kids will be okay. Maybe they'll all have to move to Schitt's Creek and learn to become better people. 

I read that there was a deleted scene with Piper and Zion hooking up, but it was cut as the finale was already so full. I don't guess we missed much by not seeing that. 

 

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  On 4/7/2025 at 9:00 PM, ItCouldBeWorse said:

Because Rick's mother told him so.  She wound up ruining his life far more than the deadbeat father. (I guess his death is on both of them.)

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But why? Did the man Rick thought was his father actually die, or did his father just run off and his mother told him he died? And why tell him the name of his real father while pretending he's the man who killed his father? That's what I want to know. Just having Sritala go "He is your father!" at the very end was like "huh?" Even though everyone seemed to suspect it, it still didn't make any sense to me.

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Mike White seems to be getting high on his own supply:

Re: complaints of this season being too slow and boring:

 

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“There was complaining about how there’s no plot. That part I find weird. It never did… part of me is just like bro, this is the vibe. I’m world-building. If you don’t want to go to bed with me then get out of my bed. I’m edging you! Enjoy the edging. If you don’t want to be edged, then get out of my bed. Do you know what I mean? Don’t be a bossy bottom. Get the fuck out of my bed. Don’t come home with me. Don’t get naked in my bed. Get the fuck out of my bed. Obviously something is going to happen.”

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Um, if you had to be asked if S3’s pacing is slow, maybe where there’s smoke, there’s fire? I followed S1 and S2 relatively closely too and I don’t remember much complaints about the pace of both seasons. There were complaints for other reasons, sure, but I don’t remember it being about pacing. I may be wrong though.

 

Re: his so-called feud with his composer:

 

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White replied, "He is very talented. [But] I've never kissed somebody's ass so hard to just get him to -- to lead that horse to water. Have fun with whatever you're doing next."

In the Times story, de Veer said, "Maybe I was being unprofessional, and, for sure, Mike feels that I was always unprofessional to him because I didn't give him what he wanted. But what I gave him did this, you know -- [won] those Emmys, people going crazy [for the show]... That is the main thing that I'm most happy about -- it was worth all the tension and almost forcing the music into the show, in a way, because I didn't have that many allies in there ... This was a good struggle."

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I’m willing to cut him some slack with the composer. They clearly clashed and I have to say the composer doesn’t sound like the easiest guy to work with even if you love the results.

  On 4/8/2025 at 12:37 PM, luna1122again said:

 

I read that there was a deleted scene with Piper and Zion hooking up, but it was cut as the finale was already so full. I don't guess we missed much by not seeing that. 

 

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Mike White definitely said this and if you recall after Zion catches Belinda with Pornchai, he makes a remark when they are at lunch that he wonders if he’ll be able to get some action this week. The line felt so random at the time but knowing this was going to be what happened, it makes more sense.

Apparently Piper was going to be reacting to Saxon’s criticism of her virginity and just deciding she needs to get sex off the Things To Do checklist.

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Mike White should consider maybe there are some quite watchable actors in TWL, and he's just  a dull plodding limited storyteller [writer]. 🥱

...and he's benefiting from the fact there's no must see TV on currently. (maybe on streaming, but not on cable).

 

Just watched  the finale again. Two things:

 

Before most of the Ratliffes go off to breakfast Lochy says to Saxon you know if you make one of your protein shakes, I'd drink it. Saxon says I already had one, but if you want to make one the stuff is  on the counter. How is there deadly Pong Pong tree seed  residue in the blender after Saxon has had his nasty drink he chugs for the T and the BDE? 🤔

Gaitok came upon Rick with Chelsea in his arms and Sritala bent over her husband. There were no bullets flying at that moment. Just before he got there people in the area were ducking bullets meant for Rick that hit Chelsea, but not at that moment. Why doesn't Gaitok run to the nearest phone to summon medical help? Rick wasn't shooting at Sritala's husband anymore... yet she wanted Rick shot more than she wanted medical assistance to maybe see if her husband could be saved?🤔

 

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  On 4/8/2025 at 5:51 PM, T Summer said:

Mike White should consider maybe there are some quite watchable actors in TWL, and he's just are a dull plodding limited storyteller [writer]. 🥱

...and he's benefiting from the fact there's no must see TV on currently. (maybe on streaming, but not on cable).

 

Just watched  the finale again. Two things:

 

Before most of the Ratliffes go off to breakfast Lochy says to Saxon you know if you make one of your protein shakes, I'd drink it. Saxon says I already had one, but if you want to make one the stuff is  on the counter. How is there deadly Pong Pong tree seed  residue in the blender after Saxon has had his nasty drink he chugs for the T and the BDE? 🤔

Gaitok came upon Rick with Chelsea in his arms and Sritala bent over her husband. There were no bullets flying at that moment. Just before he got there people in the area were ducking bullets meant for Rick that hit Chelsea, but not at that moment. Why doesn't Gaitok run to the nearest phone to summon medical help? Rick wasn't shooting at Sritala's husband anymore... yet she wanted Rick shot more than she wanted medical assistance to maybe see if her husband could be saved?🤔

 

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Saxon didn’t make himself one. He just wanted to get away from Lachlan and he lied to him.

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peeayebee

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Yikes. Those quotes from Mike White. All the get out of my bed stuff. Yikes.

 

  On 4/8/2025 at 5:51 PM, T Summer said:

Just watched  the finale again. Two things:

Before most of the Ratliffes go off to breakfast Lochy says to Saxon you know if you make one of your protein shakes, I'd drink it. Saxon says I already had one, but if you want to make one the stuff is  on the counter. How is there deadly Pong Pong tree seed  residue in the blender after Saxon has had his nasty drink he chugs for the T and the BDE? 🤔

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What is "for the T and the BDE?"

Though I don't really want to do it, I may rewatch this part. Seems a pretty big continuity error.

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Mike white's attitude is very off putting. And also what he said doesn't make sense. Don't watch the show if you don't want to be edged? Well, if I knew it was going to be like this, I wouldn't have. But I trusted him because the first 2 seasons were good, and now here we are. 

If this is the line of defense he wants to use he should have made that statement before the season started, not when it's over. 🙄

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  On 4/8/2025 at 5:51 PM, T Summer said:

Before most of the Ratliffes go off to breakfast Lochy says to Saxon you know if you make one of your protein shakes, I'd drink it. Saxon says I already had one, but if you want to make one the stuff is  on the counter. How is there deadly Pong Pong tree seed  residue in the blender after Saxon has had his nasty drink he chugs for the T and the BDE?

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Hmm, I think this is the prior morning. Before Tim made his pina colada. Wasn’t the conversation after this “I know I told you to worship me, but you don’t have to worship ‘me’ ?! “ Then Saxon walks off. So I think the blender is still clean.

 

  On 4/8/2025 at 6:39 PM, Harvey said:

 

Mike white's attitude is very off putting. And also what he said doesn't make sense. Don't watch the show if you don't want to be edged? We'll geezer, if I knew it was going to be like this, I wouldn't have. But I trusted him because the first 2 seasons were good, and now here we are. 

If this is the line of defense he wants to use he should have made that statement before the season started, not when it's over

 

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Seriously. There’s a more diplomatic way to put it rather than just telling most of his audience to eat a bag of dicks. Tell them you made a deliberate choice of slow-building characters as compared to the first 2 seasons, and that’s why the pacing is different, and you accept their criticism but it was also his personal creative choice. Just because he got 2 seasons of a hit series he’s now above criticism?! He’s good but he’s not Spielberg/Tarantino/Lee/Scorsese good. Nowhere near.

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