S14.E17: A Caribbean Send Off, Season Finale

[Dr Mama]

9 minutes ago, MissFeatherbottom said:

Now THIS would be a show to watch!! 

ETA: But I would add Sutton!

Oh, yes, I meant to add keep Sutton too!

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Menopause + hot weather suck.  She seems sad about it too.

Oh, I totally agree, but I think that Kathy, at 66, should be past menopause, although I know from personal experience, that hot flashes can pop up at any time, even after menopause.   

With Kathy, I just don't get her fashion choices - she could be so much more "chic" (as Dorit would say), and stay cool.  She could be wearing nice sundresses instead of the housecoat/housedress styles that my grandmother wore.  She could wear neater shorts and a nice top, instead of the shorts and t-shirt she wore.  And, the fancy, Phyllis Diller muumuu dress she wore under that ridiculous Carnival get up could have been something like a sheath dress.  

I get the feeling that Kathy really is incapable of (or chooses to be incapable of) doing her own hair, makeup or even picking out a stylish outfit without the assistance of consultants and stylists.  

She's only 66 years old - she's not some dotty old auntie that everyone just humors and appreciates for being a little wacky.  Her schtick is not amusing to me, at all.  I find Kathy to be completely inauthentic and totally unconcerned or caring for anyone other than herself.

[njbchlover]

7 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

Sutton acts like a total asshole and then gets mad when the others react by being an asshole.  Sutton wanted to go after Dorit this entire season but the others still like Dorit better than her for whatever reason.
Erika demanding either Garcelle or Jennifer tell her who dared to say her and Dorit were calculated in their pile up on Sutton was ridiculous. Why do these women let Erika even exist? Why do they coddle her? 
I see posts online about Boz being great. I don’t get it. She dresses like the Chiquita  Banana lady. She loved putting everyone in those awful costumes at the end of the night.  I don’t buy that crap at the end about her and Keely still trying to have a child. 
Jennifer was entertaining. 
I appreciated Kathy more than most. Not dressing up to walk around in the heat, needing ice, eating chips in her room and her costume covered her up. 

Erika knew before that dinner confrontation with Jennifer and Garcelle that Sutton had no knowledge of what they said.  Erika had a one on one conversation with Sutton earlier, and Sutton admitted that.

Erika just wanted to make some more drama.  

Erika is a horrible person, and this "redemption" arc isn't working for her.

2 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

I thought the costumes were ridiculous and they looked foolish.  The vanity Erika, Boz and Dorit is disgusting.

It was actually embarrassing to see these women parading through the resort like showgirls, just to show off their bodies.  Boz's, Erika's and Dorit's costumes were barely more than scraps of material, sequins, strings and feathers.  

I did love Jennifer Tilly's description of herself, though - she was funny with the "wiggles and waggles" or whatever it was she said.

[goofygirl]

6 hours ago, Emmeline said:

If Erika was trying to show the viewers that she has changed to a kinder, gentler person, she squashed all that in the last few episodes and on WWHL.  

True that!  She hasn't changed one iota.  Still a hideous person.

[Pi237]

I didn’t understand Boz’s coldness about Garcelle on WWHL. I thought they were good. They seemed to be bonding nicely on the show, especially the trip.  She wasn’t as nasty as Ericka, but who is? We’ll see what happened at the reunion. 

[Surrealist]

10 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

I didn’t understand Boz’s coldness about Garcelle on WWHL. I thought they were good. They seemed to be bonding nicely on the show, especially the trip.  She wasn’t as nasty as Ericka, but who is? We’ll see what happened at the reunion. 

I'm wondering if Garcelle had been side eyeing Boz's alliance with Dorit because of her issues with Dorit and Dorit's microaggressions toward her.

I know Dorit apologized for her behavior, but it took her awhile to do so. 

Clearly Boz watched the show, so she knew who Erika and Dorit were. 

At this point, new HWs can't act as if they're in the dark about their castmates before going on the show. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:53 PM by Surrealist

[Mr. Miner]

I would side eye anyone that got that tight, that fast with fucking Porit.

[Surrealist]

1 minute ago, Mr. Miner said:

I would side eye anyone that got that tight, that fast with fucking Porit.

I'm working through what I want to post without rambling on like Dorit tends to do. 🤣

It'd be easier with fewer cast members. Lol

[Marley]

Yea Boz was a bitch on WWHL. She's just sticking with the mean girls of Dorit & Erika. It makes Boz look like trash to me aligning herself with 2 grifters but I mean her whole pathetic storyline was pretending to have a fake baby with grifter Keely so I guess that's her thing. I'm still not seeing what's so fabulous about her.

Edited Wednesday at 08:03 PM by Marley

[Keywestclubkid]

8 minutes ago, Marley said:

Yea Boz was a bitch on WWHL. She's just sticking with the mean girls of Dorit & Erika. It makes Boz look like trash to me aligning herself with 2 grifters but I mean her whole pathetic storyline was pretending to have a fake baby with grifter Keely so I guess that's her thing. I'm still not seeing what's so fabulous about her.

It’s the weird mixed messages she’s giving .. like it’s strange cause she’s being super nice on socials like what the what 

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:11 PM by Keywestclubkid

[Surrealist]

11 minutes ago, Marley said:

Yea Boz was a bitch on WWHL. She's just sticking with the mean girls of Dorit & Erika. It makes Boz look like trash to me aligning herself with 2 grifters but I mean her whole pathetic storyline was pretending to have a fake baby with grifter Keely so I guess that's her thing. I'm still not seeing what's so fabulous about her.

Boz is a mystery to me. I don't get why she would be up two grifting trophy wives' asses the way she is. 

The thing about women like Sutton, Jennifer, and Kathy earning some money via their marriages is that I've never heard anything about their husbands/ex-husbands having committed embezzlement or fraud. 

I enjoy some of Boz's TH observations because they're spot on, but I don't understand her love of Erika and Dorit.

She seems like she would be the type of woman to kind of watch them, cautiously, from a bit of a distance.

Edited Wednesday at 08:15 PM by Surrealist

[tranquilidade]

19 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

Boz is a mystery to me. I don't get why she would be up two grifting trophy wives' asses the way she is. 

The thing about women like Sutton, Jennifer, and Kathy earning some money via their marriages is that I've never heard anything about their husbands/ex-husbands having committed embezzlement or fraud. 

I enjoy some of Boz's TH observations because they're spot on, but I don't understand her love of Erika and Dorit.

She seems like she would be the type of woman to kind of watch them, cautiously, from a bit of a distance.

I don't think any of them are sincere about friendship.  It's more likely about survival.  I bet both Sutton and Boz got wind of the fact that Garcelle was going to leave so they were not going to side with her and then be left to answer for it alone.   None of them like each other IMO and they are all fake.  

[Pi237]

I’m hoping Boz comes out of Dorit’s shadow next season and is more herself. Dump the dumb baby storyline and bring talking head Boz into the actual show. I still see something there with her that I like. 

[Mar]

I was so thrilled when Lisa Rinna was finally off the show because I thought I would be able to enjoy it again. It had gotten so dark and nasty and cruel. I’m feeling that way about this season. There’s a little bit of forced enjoyment, and the rest of it is nasty teaming up against each other. it’s exhausting and depressing to watch. At this point the only ones I enjoy are Jennifer and Garcelle, and she won’t be back. I don’t know how Sutton will survive without her support unless the producers push someone to befriend her. Along with the others, she has gotten exhausting to watch. I’m glad the season is over. I don’t think I could handle watching Dorit for another minute. Erika is cold and so full of herself. Kyle is annoying. How can she possibly come back for another season and continue to hide her relationship with Morgan?

Edited Wednesday at 10:17 PM by Mar
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[Pi237]

10 minutes ago, Mar said:

I was so thrilled when Lisa Rinna was finally off the show because I thought I would be able to enjoy it again. It had gotten so dark and nasty and cruel. I’m feeling that way about this season. 

I was going to say this exact thing but couldn’t remember the details-Ericka was involved in that with Rinna, too. Remember them sharing a brain when defending Ericka’s team for leaking info about their trips?  Common denominator when things get too nasty and negative is Ericka. She has no humility. She couldn’t even fake it for her meeting with the victims where she acted like the Queen doing a royal tour of the peasant village.  PJ pegged her from the start, she is inherently cold. 

[Mar]

9 hours ago, Emmeline said:

If Erika was trying to show the viewers that she has changed to a kinder, gentler person, she squashed all that in the last few episodes and on WWHL.  

She was astonishingly cold and nasty on WWHL. Also, very arrogant! I was surprised because she’s been on her redemption tour this year.

[Chatty Cake]

2 hours ago, Pi237 said:

I’m hoping Boz comes out of Dorit’s shadow next season and is more herself. Dump the dumb baby storyline and bring talking head Boz into the actual show. I still see something there with her that I like. 

I really hope Dorit isn’t on next season. There’s nothing fun about her. 
I don’t see a full reboot happening as New York’s reboot has been lackluster. It’s too bad because it would be great if Erika and Kyle were let go. 

[Straycat80]

22 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

I really hope Dorit isn’t on next season. 

She has to come back next season, this is the only job she has and needs the money.

I think this was the first season finale dinner that didn’t end in a screaming match and cliff hanger. Erika just acted like a bitch as usual and then it was partying in their skimpy costumes. 
Not much happened this season. Kind of boring with the taking sides, beating up on each other, are you my friend or not. Same old, same old. 
Boz needs a better storyline, the baby thing was dumb. They can promote Jennifer to a full cast mate since Garcelle is leaving. Kathy isn’t fun to watch anymore, acting like a ditzy old lady isn’t cute or funny. She can stay home.

Next season will probably be more divorce drama with Kyle and Dorito and Erika still acting like a victim. No idea about Sutton. 
So what we watch now? Where’s Miami? 

[bravofan27]

22 hours ago, njbchlover said:

 

And, I love Jennifer Tilly, but she is learning from Dorit by mentioning the designer of everything she's wearing.  (Dolce & Gabbana, Schiaparelli, Louis Vuitton, etc.)

Jennifer did that from the get-go. Announcing the brand of the dress her doll was wearing. She is a humble bragger.

IMO, Garcelle has decided she does not want to compete with Kyle for Sutton's friendship.

Spoiler

Garcelle is leaving RHBH next season.

I thought Sutton acted like a spoiled brat and had a really bad attitude. She reminds me of Lori Vallow in a way. Thinks she is really special, has endured tragedies (that they created), and argues like a 12 year old. I just did not find her at all likeable this episode. 

I'm not saying Sutton is a killer or capable of that AT ALL.  But the unquestioning undying support she expects from friends is an IMO a red flag. If you watch Lori Vallow in her court proceedings, she has similar behaviors as Sutton.

Dorit and Ericka celebrating their birthday at the resort with a cake served by the resort staff really showed how their lifestyles have changed. In previous seasons, the hosted major parties at their homes (Dorit had PK host hers) with extreme entertainment, guests, and beyond expensive gifts. I remember Dorit getting a Porshe and Ericka getting a 100K ring and art. Plus extra lux parties. 

Thank goodness Sutton is around to remind them how broke they are!

I'm trying to imagine a friend of mine mad at me because I did not support her unconditionally. I think I would run to the hills. Red flag!

 

[Wicked]

Watching now and it's just awful.  The only bright spot is Jennifer

 

[WaltersHair]

I remember season one of this franchise and it's so meh now. It was full of actual housewives with kids and money. I trace the downfall to the addition of Brandi. That lowered their credibility quite a bit in my eyes. I stopped watching and came back once she was gone.

Everyone just seems sad. Broken marriages, dreams, and relationships. Maybe it should go the way of the New York franchise. I don't watch the new one and never will, but at least it exists.

I'm torn.

[hoodooznoodooz]

The dress Erika is wearing on WWHL looks like the people who draw “Rick & Morty” designed the fabric.

[Pattycake2]

I, too, stopped watching when LVP left and came back after Rinna was fired.  I really only enjoy Sutton, Garcelle, and Jennifer.  With Garcelle leaving, I’m not sure I can stand watching Ericka and Dorit (does she EVER shut up?) and I’m no fan of Kyle.

 I do feel for Kathy.  I know she was touting some very pricey, all natural hormone therapy.   Doesn’t seem to be working.  With the family history of cancer, she probably wont do Hrt.  At 66, her hair is thinning.  She’s probably lost some height and when that happens, your skin collects around your middle.  And you’re more likely to have bladder leaks.

 I also think that if the group stopped picking on Sutton, she could be a lot of fun.

[princelina]

9 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Oh, I totally agree, but I think that Kathy, at 66, should be past menopause, although I know from personal experience, that hot flashes can pop up at any time, even after menopause.   

With Kathy, I just don't get her fashion choices - she could be so much more "chic" (as Dorit would say), and stay cool.  She could be wearing nice sundresses instead of the housecoat/housedress styles that my grandmother wore.  She could wear neater shorts and a nice top, instead of the shorts and t-shirt she wore.  And, the fancy, Phyllis Diller muumuu dress she wore under that ridiculous Carnival get up could have been something like a sheath dress.  

I get the feeling that Kathy really is incapable of (or chooses to be incapable of) doing her own hair, makeup or even picking out a stylish outfit without the assistance of consultants and stylists.  

She's only 66 years old - she's not some dotty old auntie that everyone just humors and appreciates for being a little wacky.  Her schtick is not amusing to me, at all.  I find Kathy to be completely inauthentic and totally unconcerned or caring for anyone other than herself.

She's the worst - shorts, t-shirt, no bra, bags of ice in her pits - she knows she's on camera and everyone else will be overdressed.  And then to report on camera that she tinkled on her shorts.  I'm not impressed with this hag and never have been.  At least we're given a reprieve from her "pranks" that she loves this year 🙄

3 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

I remember Dorit getting a Porshe

Sorry to nitpick but it was a rose gold convertible Bentley!  Which became my dream car immediately! 😄

2 hours ago, WaltersHair said:

I remember season one of this franchise and it's so meh now. It was full of actual housewives with kids and money. I trace the downfall to the addition of Brandi. That lowered their credibility quite a bit in my eyes. I stopped watching and came back once she was gone.

Everyone just seems sad. Broken marriages, dreams, and relationships. Maybe it should go the way of the New York franchise. I don't watch the new one and never will, but at least it exists.

I'm torn.

Yes - I've said this before!  MO, Ken and Paul were fun together and they had fun as couples/families too.  Which is why I enjoyed scenes with MO and PK also - like laughing about Tom's accident in the snow - it was funny and we all know we'd have made fun of that story in our own homes too.  A bunch of bitter divorcees is not the same thing.

[dbell1]

The “housewives” are not interesting. And they’re too old and set in their trenches to be interesting anymore. It’s become a show about shilling and grifting and reinventing their pasts. 

None of them are married (Kathy is a friend, doesn’t count). And a season of Poorit screaming at everyone was not enjoyable. I’m with Garcelle. Bye Kyle.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Sutton has an IQ of 140. I totally see that.

The dead animal in Sutton’s driveway. What was it?

[hoodooznoodooz]

Erika looks OLD. But I do FINALLY like her outfit: black sweater set with jeans and black & white penny loafers. Kyle’s white sleeveless top is cute, too. Thank goodness she didn’t shove ‘80s shoulder pads in there.

“When I first heard about the verdict with Tom, I immediately thought about Erika.”

Kyle wants an award for that?

[hoodooznoodooz]

“You live on a f- - -ing main road.”

In a house that is not in foreclosure, you stupid t- -t.

[CrinkleCutCat]

So, whatever happened to Dorit’s PTSD?! 🤔

[Surrealist]

39 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Sutton has an IQ of 140. I totally see that.

The dead animal in Sutton’s driveway. What was it?

I believe it was a rat.

Erika probably drove by and threw it onto Sutton's driveway. 

21 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

“You live on a f- - -ing main road.”

In a house that is not in foreclosure, you stupid t- -t.

What's funny about that insult is that I've seen plenty of mansions, and even estates, located on main roadways. Granted they're usually set back from the street, but in LA, there's only so much space to build with their topography.

So, I'm not sure that's quite a flex.

 

Edited Thursday at 06:26 AM by Surrealist

[Soapy Goddess]

17 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Kathy changing clothes at dinner because she piddled in her pants was the most awkwardly funny thing but I felt bad for the old gal who should see a doctor about that.

Didn't she learn anything from Lisa Rinna? 😜

[Surrealist]

4 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Didn't she learn anything from Lisa Rinna? 😜

 

[Soapy Goddess]

^^^^ Exactly!! (LOL)

[dmeets]

I've seen a lifetime's worth of grandmothers peeing themselves on RHOC. I don't need to see it here too.

12 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

What's funny about that insult is that I've seen plenty of mansions, and even estates, located on main roadways. Granted they're usually set back from the street, but in LA, there's only so much space to build with their topography.

So, I'm not sure that's quite a flex.

Frankly, now that wildfire is officially a season (along with marine layer season, hot as hell season, and rain week) in Southern California, it's probably better in LA County to live near a main road in case of an emergency. But I suppose it has its disadvantages too, like not having a grand driveway gate where hired burglars can politely drop off one's cell phone.

[Surrealist]

4 minutes ago, dmeets said:

But I suppose it has its disadvantages too, like not having a grand driveway gate where hired burglars can politely drop off one's cell phone.

You just had to go there, huh? 🤣

But I agree about the advantage of having easy roadway access during wildfire season.

[Keywestclubkid]

3 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

So, whatever happened to Dorit’s PTSD?! 🤔

she found a better storyline with divorce .. so we don't talk about that anymore .. 

[Sweet-tea]

On 3/25/2025 at 7:44 PM, FlyingEgret said:

Not saying it looks bad, but for all the time spent and products used i would expect Kathy's face to look better than it does

Her skin doesn’t look great without makeup. She looks so different in her THs. 

On 3/25/2025 at 7:22 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

You attack women when they’re down .. now let me attack you and kick you when your down .. Erika and Dorit are so full of shit 

Oh my gosh. They are horrible! Total mean girls. 

On 3/25/2025 at 9:03 PM, Stats Queen said:

Erika and Dorit at vile creatures and grifters. Kyle is a horrible friend who makes everything about her. Boz is up Dorit’s butt. Sutton is reactionary and falls apart when upset or mad.

Sutton really did get ganged up on. I am tired of these pile ons. This season was not good.

At least one of the three - Kyle, Dorit or Erika need to go. Otherwise this will just get more unwatchable. I would prefer all 3 to be gone

I thought last season was bad with Kyle’s drama and victim edit, but this season is worse. Erika sounds like a straight up bitch. She, Kyle and Dorit are all vile. 

[Yours Truly]

On 3/26/2025 at 8:57 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

 

Garcelle second guessing her friendship with Sutton makes me think she needs to keep a foot in both camps to align herself with which ever group makes for more camera time. If the popular vote shifts in either direction she will be covered.

 

 

 

I've been Okay with Garcelle since she started the show but she's not necessarily a favorite. She's so limp with her position of things I get very annoyed. Yeah, yeah, great on Garcelle that she's "chimed" in on behalf of Sutton but that's about as strong as she ever is. A chime. Now I don't knock her approach, I get that she doesn't want to come across as sloppy and bothered as the others but damn. She really is very sparse with her contributions.

I'm happy she's had Suttons back somewhat but the way she goes after Kyle for not jumping in to defend Sutton is pretty old. And I have to say her saying that she left Sutton hanging just to highlight how Kyle DIDN'T wasn't a good look at all. Also, I'm not to keen on her pointing out that she left her hanging because she chose Kyle a couple of episodes ago. Garcelle really wanted to go after Kyle regarding Morgan and Mo etc. etc. but Sutton said that at some point when someone asks not to bring someone's name up then they need to comply. I wasn't really mad at Sutton for that cause to be honest Sutton nagged her all last season and has decided to back off. Now Garcelle is mad that Sutton "didn't have her back" while quite frankly, trying to be a mean girl cause that's how I saw it. Garcelle is pretty calm and reserved when she makes her points but at the end of the day Garcelle's big grievance was that Sutton wasn't on board to grill Kyle some more? It's kinda lame and reeks of trying to pit Sutton against Kyle when she knows at the end of the day Sutton doesn't really want to do that.

Look, I'm all for Sutton getting her head out of her ass and not being so thirsty for Kyle's friendship but Garcelle taking it personally and using it against Sutton isn't it. Garcelle dances around shit too much and doesn't really have a point blank period conversation. The night she stormed out she kinda just went, "oh, okay, noted" and walked off. Garcelle doesn't seem to be as direct or firm when trying to express to Sutton what's really bothering her. Oh, she's discussed it with others and is a little clearer in her talking heads but in her actual conversations she's too minimal and she shies away from just laying it all out on the table. That annoys me about Garcelle.

My guess is that somewhere during the reunion she gets called out for that. I mean I could be wrong and they actually have more to the point conversations off camera but the way Sutton reacted to Garcelle walking off saying the next day that that was their first fight leads me to believe that their relationship usually stays on the lighter side and they most likely avoid conflicts or sensitive conversations. I was hoping they had a stronger friendship but friends should be able to be blunt and say things you need to hear even if you don't like it and to me Garcelle never truly says anything with her chest. To Sutton or her castmates. Even during some of the more tense interactions Garcelle is very subdued. I get not wanting to be labeled.... but at the same time some of these conversations can still be had without having that concern. 

Edited Thursday at 04:22 PM by Yours Truly

[Pi237]

I wonder if Garcelle keeps it surface with these women because she doesn’t want to be accused of ‘attacking’ them. As she explained to Dorit, that accusation takes on a different nuance when directed at a black woman.  She might be holding back so as not to perpetuate the ‘angry black woman’ cliche.   I don’t know, but I agree she’s much more subdued than the others. I actually like that about her, though, as she gets her point across without going shrill.  But I agree about there being no point in wanting to continue to question Kyle about Morgan when she spent all last season proving she just won’t go there. Would just make Garcelle and Sutton look like bullies. 
 

I wonder if producers were pressuring her to go there in order to have a storyline. And Sutton refusing to play along is denying her that. As we all know, without ‘a storyline,’ you fade into the background and next thing you know, you’re a ‘friend of.’ 
 

 

[heatherchandler]

21 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

It’s the weird mixed messages she’s giving .. like it’s strange cause she’s being super nice on socials like what the what 

 

As Boz would say, “HMMMp!”

 

[Mar]

Erika on WWHL 🙄

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHpgmVZO83C/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

and another clip

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHpXwzxNAWZ/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Edited Thursday at 05:39 PM by Mar
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[Surrealist]

Damn you, @Yours Truly and @Pi237! You both made the points that I was going to mention. Your comments, back-to-back, dovetail each other perfectly. 

I have a lot to say about this finale, but was trying to figure out how not to be long-winded about it. Now I can skip some of what I needed to say, since you all have covered it. 😃

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Pi237 said:

I wonder if Garcelle keeps it surface with these women because she doesn’t want to be accused of ‘attacking’ them. As she explained to Dorit, that accusation takes on a different nuance when directed at a black woman.  She might be holding back so as not to perpetuate the ‘angry black woman’ cliche.   I don’t know, but I agree she’s much more subdued than the others. I actually like that about her, though, as she gets her point across without going shrill.  But I agree about there being no point in wanting to continue to question Kyle about Morgan when she spent all last season proving she just won’t go there. Would just make Garcelle and Sutton look like bullies. 
 

I wonder if producers were pressuring her to go there in order to have a storyline. And Sutton refusing to play along is denying her that. As we all know, without ‘a storyline,’ you fade into the background and next thing you know, you’re a ‘friend of.’ 
 

 

I was trying not to reference that but yes Garcelle has made it a point to bring in that detail which I completely understand however some of these conversations can be had without that always being an issue. Mainly with her friend Sutton. I would think she would be able to have a sensitive conversation with Sutton without the tone getting so wildly out of hand that she may be seen that way. I get it during the ridiculous cat fights and name calling and accusations that go one at one event after another but sometimes she does contribute and it goes up in a puff of smoke as quickly as a joint in a Cheech and Chong recreational vehicle.

I think she comes across as very calculating at times and not just reserved for fear of being labelled. I think it's in her nature to be somewhat lowkey and well spoken but what i mostly get from that is that she mainly wants to stay out of the fray and avoid getting in the mud. I have nothing against that either but when you want to throw some stuff in the ring and get stuff moving then I'm not a fan of her hanging back while the others start clucking out in the hen house. Oh sure she's give us a blurb and a good facial expression as well as a mocking giggle laugh but she tends to avoid real elaborate exchanges that rise to the level of an actual conversation. Even her conversations have a beginning middle and end that last only a minimal amount of time. There's a precision to the conversations she's had over the years. 

Basically she's always playing it safe even when she has conflict.  I can understand the fear of being labelled but she's already established her demeanor as rather calm and reserved so my opinion is it's more about staying as neutral as possible than it is about being labeled. 

[Juneau Gal]

I like Sutton, I really do. I’d pick her over any of the other hags, except Garcelle and Jennifer, anyway. BUT damn girl, could you have been any more petty and juvenile at the beach market dinner?! I guess she is absolutely incapable of controlling her negative emotions. She had a plan, she wasn’t going to let them think they broke her, and then immediately shows just how bothered she is. Immediately. If she would have just ignored, enjoyed, risen above, she would have won the night. But, no. She was peevish and prickly and begging for fight. 
I get it, two minutes with Erika and Dorit in full mean girl mode would have me coming at them like a Banshee. Sutton knows how they are though; she should not fall into the traps any more. She so badly wants the others to like her, to accept her, it’s truly pitiful and after the trip home to Augusta we know exactly where it all stems. For goodness sake, Kyle, Dorit, and Erika are NOT the cool girls she thinks they are. Quite the opposite. Sutton is already running with the two coolest girls on the show, Garcelle and Jennifer. Sad that at her advanced age she can’t appreciate that. Comes a time when you just gotta say “fuck ‘em” and move on. 

Edited Thursday at 09:15 PM by Juneau Gal

[bravofan27]

6 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Garcelle dances around shit too much and doesn't really have a point blank period conversation. The night she stormed out she kinda just went, "oh, okay, noted" and walked off. Garcelle doesn't seem to be as direct or firm when trying to express to Sutton what's really bothering her. Oh, she's discussed it with others and is a little clearer in her talking heads but in her actual conversations she's too minimal and she shies away from just laying it all out on the table. That annoys me about Garcelle.

Because she knows it's petty and will make her look really immature and insecure if she admits she is jealous. She's been trying to get Sutton to "not like" Kyle the last three episodes, and maybe more by keeping her really close and making sure she is part of every conversation Sutton has with anyone-- or immediately going to her and asking in her soft therapist voice, "Are you Okay? What happened?" As soon as she finishes a conversation. Garcelle's biggest tell for me, is when she said, "I wasn't around you the whole time, but Dorit might have said something to you and I didn't see." Like she was proud that she wasn't glommed onto Sutton for 5 minutes. 

Edited Thursday at 10:25 PM by bravofan27

[whydoievencare]

Not a Boz fan at all. (Or Erika fan or Dorit fan or Kyle fan or Kathy fan).  She came in and chose the power group that has stuck together for years to align herself with.  She's been incredibly  judgemental from the beginning - like she's the arbiter of behaviour - without seemingly knowing the whole story.  Sutton is kind of an odd duck (like her mother?) and seems to make a lot of mis-steps or hits the wrong note or something with people.  But the pile on is totally unnecessary - if she apologizes why is there the need to bludgeon her again and again.  That group did the same thing with  Lisa Vanderpump and Denise Richards.  Really, the Sutton situation makes me think of elementary school where kids who didn't quite fit in were given such a hard time.  As well, I don't understand Sutton's hard on for Kyle - who is a friend to no one.  Sutton's been on the show for years now and should know that.  With Garcelle leaving, Sutton will only have Jennifer and frankly, that's not enough support.  I'd be out of there too.

Edited Thursday at 11:44 PM by whydoievencare

[Surrealist]

So many of you have made excellent points, so I'll try to keep mine brief (lol).

I like Sutton. I think she's been unfairly targeted since she started on the show. 

I don't agree with everything she says. Sutton has some issues to work out regarding the way she handles interpersonal relationships, especially in dealing with those who dislike her. She's a mess when it involves an in-person conflict, but she's pretty clearheaded and articulate in her THs. Hopefully, she learns how to better manage her emotions.

Sutton kind of reminds me of Brandi (in her first two seasons) in that they allow themselves to be backed into a corner during arguments, and then they respond with guns blazing. This is exactly what the FFF wants because they will manipulate the situation and audience perception toward their side as being "in the right."

There's no way the FFF folks don't also read what viewers are saying about them online, and then they act accordingly. 

A lot of HW fans are absolutely former Mean Girls, or women who were bullied and now need to punch down on other women. That's exactly what the RHOBH subreddit is like. There's a lot of toxic energy within the fanbase, and frankly, I don't understand the vitriol toward women playing a heightened version of themselves on a reality show about wealthy women from Beverly Hills. I think there's a lot of parasocial bullshit happening in the fanbase, and fans who take certain things from the show too personally. And they shouldn't.

But I digress ...

I had hoped Sutton, before that last dinner, was going to have her "Come to Jesus" moment and let the cattiness wash over her into nothing, but she brought her anger into that dinner, which wasn't a good look. 

However, it was perfect for Erika, Dorit, and Kyle who want the audience to see Sutton's annoying snootiness and point their fingers at Sutton as if she's the show's true villain (and then they can continue hiding behind their own bullshit and mess). 

What's interesting is that this season it worked out for them. Just read any forum where this show is discussed, and you'll see what I mean.

I'm going to guess that Sutton didn't want to attend that last dinner because she knew shit would start up again, but I've no doubt producers got in her ear and said, "If you don't go, your job is on the line." We know producers do this shit to all the HWs.

One thing I'll say is that I wasn't impressed with Garcelle and Jennifer talking about Sutton behind her back to the others. They know those ladies hate Sutton's guts. I don't think they did that to be intentionally malicious, but it was a stupid move that made Sutton look pathetic.

Which I'm sure turned on Kyle, and Erika and Dorit because that's how Mean Girls are.

Neither Garcelle nor Jennifer appears to have genuine friendships with any of the other women, so I was surprised to see them intervening "on Sutton's behalf" (of which Sutton was clearly unaware). They threw more gas onto the fire when they did that. It also kind of reads like backstabbing your friend, which is a shitty thing to do. 

There's a fine line between wanting to protect your friend (and her rep), and putting yourself right in the middle of others' fights, and making yourself a target as well.

Plus in doing that, Garcelle and Jennifer gave Erika the ammunition she needed to take their comments to Sutton so that Erika could create tension between the three of them. 

I feel relatively confident that Sutton was annoyed with Garcelle and Jennifer for speaking to the other HWs about her.

Anyway.

It's clear, to me, that Garcelle and Jennifer have no issue confronting Sutton when she's done/said something that isn't right. We might not necessarily see them do this on the show, but I'm sure they've pulled her aside a few times. We know Crystal did, and she seems to get along just fine with Sutton now.

Since I think Jennifer seems like a fun and pretty chill person to be around, I'm guessing there's something Jennifer really likes about Sutton that, maybe, we haven't seen on the show because Sutton's pretty much always put on the defensive.

Otherwise, I don't think Jennifer would've stayed friends with Sutton for over a decade. She would've cut bait by now because she seems to have many friends and acquaintances as it is.

So those are some of my thoughts on the episode. The rest of you have covered the episode to a T. 

ETA: My apologies for turning into Dorit on this one. 😂

Edited Friday at 03:10 AM by Surrealist

[JenE4]

Gotta give a shout out to the film editing intern who took Media Design 101 or something and decided to use their new skills to do a montage of people telling off Sutton with a b&w freeze frame of her surprised Picachu faces.

Buuuuut just when you’re about to rule for the defense that you’re right, look at them all bullying poor, innocent Sutton over the years, we get the rest of the scene leading up to it, how she was insulting everyone else and putting them on the spot or in their place, so they were just giving it back to her. It was a cinematic tour de force.

Boz’s big update is she’s trying to get pregnant and…her boyfriend finally said I love you?!? Girl, you had been trying to get pregnant with a man before he said he loved you?? Forget the Picachu, I need to give Boz one of her own “Ooope!” patented reactions right back at her.

 

Edited Friday at 02:34 AM by JenE4

[Wicked]

Erika deserved everything Sutton threw her way 

[Chalby]

I cannot help but dislike Sutton this season. She's so unreasonable and hypocritical.