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S03.E04: Floor Is Lava


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Angie's grieving. She's grieving the life she thought she was about to have. She's grieving the girl she was trying to save. I believe she's sorry, but the Angie we've seen on the show has never been the best at showing her cards.

 

I was an Alias agnostic. It was fine, but it never was an obsession. My sister was the big fan. She was looking for something to fill her La Femme Nikita shaped hole and this fit the bill.

 

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I just started watching this show. I’ve read some of the books by Karen Slaughter so I was curious. I couldn’t get the first two seasons without signing up for steaming services I don’t want, but I know at least some of the backstory.

The show seems like kind of a lighter procedural, kind of like The Rookie with some serious stuff interspersed with comedy. I mean, the lava scene was amusing and awkward, and I got a kick out of all those erstwhile CIA agents popping up everywhere. 

I am enjoying it though. 

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Nobody is recruiting sleeper agents over here at Primetimer forum, right? 👀

The GBI/APD gang playing “Floor Is Lava” is hilarious! Ormewood is totally not flexible enough for it. 😂

Faith and Ormewood going out for dinner after surviving a hurricane of awkwardness from their partners is just a nice way to end the day. I seriously adore their dynamic. 💙

Will and Angie are better off as friends and coworkers. There’s too much baggage between them.

An episode without Betty is almost unbearable…💔

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So Angie continues to take no responsibility for the mess she created. I get that she's devastated that Will didn't choose (to cover for her? look the other way for her?) her. But I don't think she gets that she made the wrong choice. That's bad news for her future decision making.

And why she and Will cannot go back to being together, in my opinion. Because they would both do the same thing again.

I will go against the grain and say I liked Will and the assistant DA. I thought their interactions were cute and fun. 

(I loved Alias too.)

I enjoyed the case. Ormewood's crush was cute, and I liked him and Faith bonding at the end. I enjoy their friendship.

I also enjoyed Amanda's story. 

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Oremwood makes better comic relief than antagonist, so I'm glad they changed his character's purpose for this season.

I liked the progress Amanda and Sunny made this week, though the reason being that Sunny decied she's a badass... well, she's not wrong, but it might not have been the right reason to open up to her.

I hope Betty is okay.

I like Gina R's character. Not as much as I liked Cricket, though. I'm still upset they killed Cricket.

Will is still more of an adult than Angie. 

I never watched Alias, and now I think if I did watch it, it could  never live up the the hype they gave it in this episode.

Watching Oremwood's crush made me cringe so hard. I am pretty sure I've looked like that a few times in my life and it's soooo hard to live it down....

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Fuck you, Angie.

I loved Faith immediately recognizing they had to play 'the floor is lava' and saying she's good at it. And she was lol. I can get with a comic relief, goblin energy Ormewood, he's fun. 

Fuck you, Angie.

I also kinda enjoyed Will and Marion. As said above, she's no Cricket but she's definitely no Angie either and that's a good thing. I liked her telling Will he had been nothing but kind to her. I think he really needed to hear that. 

I hope this means Will and Angie's trauma bond is broken, set on fire, and the ashes salted.

Fuck you, Angie.

Amanda was so sincere about Sunny not eating til she told the truth. I loved her laying that guy out and then Ormewood getting salty cuz he didn't get to take him down lol. 

Oh Angie. Everything you said to Will in the restaurant is exactly what I expected from your trifling ass. 6 people are dead, 7 if you count murder teen murdering the pedo. That's a LOT of bodies on YOUR head, girl. And you mad Will didn't choose you. Well fuck, you didn't choose him either, you had a big ass fucking LIE hanging over your relationship and that's YOUR fault. If you had told Will what you did, I guarantee he would've done everything in his power to help get it set right. But no, your fucked up ass set it all in motion but takes no responsibility. 

Fuck you, Angie. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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12 hours ago, AimingforYoko said:

Angie's grieving. She's grieving the life she thought she was about to have. She's grieving the girl she was trying to save. I believe she's sorry, but the Angie we've seen on the show has never been the best at showing her cards.

I agree with you. Angie is still in so much pain over all of it. But she won't feel better til she starts to deal with what she chose to do. At the time of her decision to help Crystal, she thought it was clear-cut. Save the girl who had killed the man who had abused Angie. What could go wrong?

Angie is also so defensive. I'm sure her mentality is that she doesn't deserve love, and Will proved that to her in spades. It takes a lot of vulnerability to be able to say, "I really screwed up."  She's in survival mode all the time right now.

I liked the conversation at the end where they talked about missing their best friend, and Angie said something about "I release you, Wilber Trent." It's going to be an interesting dynamic to watch.

I don't like or dislike Marion yet, although she is awfully flirty for someone who is still married. (Interesting.) Let's hope that being Will's love interest isn't a path to getting killed. (RIP Cricket.)

As for Ormewood, I like how his character is developing. He's friends with Faith, he's protective of her and of Angie, and he gets along with Will, but he's not happy with what Will did. Pretty complex for a side character. And he had such a crush on the CIA agent. Ha!

Not as great an episode as the previous one, but Will Trent is still must-see tv for me.

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They threw in plenty of Doggie Porn to try to make us forget the Betty White was not in this episode.

10 hours ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

Nobody is recruiting sleeper agents over here at Primetimer forum, right? 👀

This is something that occurs all the time on TV, but would never happen in real life, unless they just happened to be on an Atlanta Alias Fan Site, these people would live nowhere near each other.

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It drives me crazy that they disappeared one of Ormewood's kids.  I wonder what the point of that is.  Did they start out thinking (vague book talk)

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they were going to keep book Ormewood and he'd be gone soon and changed their mind so they made his family more manageable?

 

36 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

He's friends with Faith, he's protective of her and of Angie, and he gets along with Will, but he's not happy with what Will did.

It makes sense to me.  Ormewood helped Angie cover up the murder.  From my recollection, the one thing that has been consistent with him, even through his evolution as a character, is that he's got Angie's back. He provides her with the "ride or die" friendship/relationship she'd like to have from Will even if she's wrong or it means bending the rules a bit.

9 hours ago, possibilities said:

I never watched Alias, and now I think if I did watch it, it could  never live up the the hype they gave it in this episode.

I didn't watch it either but I absolutely loved how TV fandom was woven into the plot.  My favorite scene was Angie and Ormewood explaining the plot to Alias to  Faith and Will.  The only thing I could have done without is Marion automatically knowing the plot of the super fan's favorite episode.  Most people don't know that even if they post about the show every week.  I'd have preferred if she showed recognition after the summary was provided.

I especially liked how the last "fake spy" who tried to stop the arrest looked a little bit like Jennifer Garner.

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1 hour ago, cardigirl said:

I agree with you. Angie is still in so much pain over all of it. But she won't feel better til she starts to deal with what she chose to do. At the time of her decision to help Crystal, she thought it was clear-cut. Save the girl who had killed the man who had abused Angie. What could go wrong?

Angie is also so defensive. I'm sure her mentality is that she doesn't deserve love, and Will proved that to her in spades. It takes a lot of vulnerability to be able to say, "I really screwed up."  She's in survival mode all the time right now.

See, I'm not getting any pain or self-loathing from Angie, like at all. The only things she's actually said are that she didn't want to forget murder teen and that she deserved to be working as a security guard. Nothing else she has done or said has shown me that she's feeling any responsibility or the weight of carrying around the fact that it is on her for everything that happened after she covered up murder teen's first murder. 

Maybe this is a storyline choice but I don't see any real remorse from Angie. The amount of anger she spewed at Will, if she's actually feeling remorse and is just taking things out on him, then her judgment is still majorly fucked up and she shouldn't have a badge. I'll say this til I'm blue in the face, I can only ship Angie and a really good psychiatrist. Preferably an older woman, someone she can't bullshit (like she bullshits Franklin that she's working her program) or sleep with and blackmail (like her doctor). Her actions and mentality are showing me she's not using but she's still making all the excuses and not looking at her own actions that brought them to this. And Wilbur deserves better. 

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"Polaski, is this man bothering you?" I'm sorry, but when did Ormewood become completely adorable?

I do think Angie feels sorry and guilty for what she did, but she's also got that cop mentality where they believe that cops are always loyal to each other no matter what. Add in that she and Will were thinking marriage and family and it feels even more like a betrayal to her. That said, I was getting pretty impatient with her last night with her putting it ALL on Will. She trusted Ormewood more than she trusted Will when Crystal killed her mom's boyfriend and it all spiraled after that. I don't hate her. She's wrong here, but it feels true to the story/character.

I'm beginning to see what people mean about Gina Rodriguez. She has a very cutesy acting style that doesn't suit her character. It was hilarious when she came out of Will's office with his shirt styled in a way that we were obviously supposed to think was sexy, but looked to me more like a DeLorean with the doors open.

Dog getting a blowout was very cute, but it in no way makes up for the absence of Betty.

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12 hours ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

An episode without Betty is almost unbearable…💔

I was waiting for Will to have a panic attack when they arrived at the dog boutique, realizing that Betty was inside with the secret agent.  Thankfully, they didn't write it that way.

 

12 hours ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

Nobody is recruiting sleeper agents over here at Primetimer forum, right? 👀

I did get a call from the CIA once.  The Culinary Institute of America.

Speaking of the security guard position, I wonder if the HOA hired Mr. Creepy to fill in after Angie left.  Just a thought.

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The first scene with Will and Angie was everything.  First I just loved the squirmy awkwardness of it all.  And then Faith and Ormewood came along ad added to the chaos especially with 'the Floor Is Lava' part.  I swear, I think at one point Ormewood's butt was in Faith's face.

Did I hear that Pete's nana died? Aww..

Oooh… that outfit Marion was wearing when she came to Will was not flattering. It should have been cute, but it just looked awkward on her. I think it needed to be on someone taller.

All the Alias stuff was great. From Angie and Ormewood being fans to Faith and Will having NO clue to them watching it and being all in!  And bonus, they highlighted the episode where clone Francie got killed!!  I LOVED that episode (poor real Francie).

I still call foul on Sunny's attitude toward Amanda.  She was flat out disrespectful.  I can't reconcile what I know of the culture, esp. Southern African-American culture with how they are having Sunny treat Amanda.  It would be one thing if she was truly a feral child of the streets. But Sunny (as presented) had an involved father (yes he is a gang kingpin,  but they still respect their maternal elders especially) and her grandmother. 

And finally, I know people probably are that suggestible, but man I can't wrap my head around believing that people wouldn't have some niggle of doubt they are being played? The one guy who stabbed that person seemed like the only one who really got how he might have really messed up.

And finally, Ormewood's character is really how you do character evolution well.  And I am also enjoying his and Faith's friendship.

 

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1 hour ago, DearEvette said:

I still call foul on Sunny's attitude toward Amanda.  She was flat out disrespectful.  I can't reconcile what I know of the culture, esp. Southern African-American culture with how they are having Sunny treat Amanda.  It would be one thing if she was truly a feral child of the streets. But Sunny (as presented) had an involved father (yes he is a gang kingpin,  but they still respect their maternal elders especially) and her grandmother. 

Were I Amanda, I'd give Sunny a pass for a little bit.  IDK how much time has passed since the woman who was raising her (IIRC it wasn't her grandmother, it was someone else) died and she was taken by a bad actor police officer and chased thru a mall by same.  I think she is still processing all that happened to her and may have a touch of PTSD.

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Just to be clear, if someone on one of these pages says they're from the CIA and are recruiting you to be a secret agent, they're probably not really. Maybe...

That was a really fun episode, I loved the case and how people in television fandoms were weaved into the plot. I guess I'm not too surprised that there are still so many Alias fans around, I used to love that show, even when things got weird at the end! I loved Angie and Ormewood so enthusiastically explaining the shows plot, then everyone else watching the episode that the dog groomer was obsessed with. Poor real Francie.  

Faith and Ormewood bonding over the extreme awkwardness happening between Will and Angie was great, I love that they went out to get tacos after work. I love how their relationship has grown, lets continue to keep goblin Ormewood instead of jerk serial cheater Ormewood from last season. 

Ormewood's being a big CIA fanboy and his crush on the CIA lady were hilarious, so much cringe. "There are a lot of wanna be CIA out there." "My thing is totally different." 

I love that the last fake spy even looked a bit like Jennifer Gardner, the only thing missing would be her pulling a wig off after being arrested. 

I was surprised that no one reminded Angie that her bad choice ended up getting Crystal killed, especially Will, although I guess its so bad that neither Angie or Will wanted to get into it? Those men who were killed might be easier for Angie to write off, being creeps (although that's not great from a cop) but she did all of this for Crystal and this is how it ended up. I hope that Angie and Will can find a way to be friends again, and that she finally really comes to understand how badly she screwed up, but I really hope they avoid another romance, way too much baggage.  

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Watching the gang play “The Floor Is Lava” was hilarious.    I like Marion and think she will be good for Will.

Will and Angie may or may not be endgame.  It is still an open debate.  That being said they both needed the conversations they had so that they both could move on.   Right now they are poison for each other and Angie is right about that at least.    
 

Ormwood being a CIA fanboy was hilarious.     
 

Amanda and Sunny is cuter than I expected. 

 

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3 hours ago, fishcakes said:

"Polaski, is this man bothering you?" I'm sorry, but when did Ormewood become completely adorable?

I'm beginning to see what people mean about Gina Rodriguez. She has a very cutesy acting style that doesn't suit her character. It was hilarious when she came out of Will's office with his shirt styled in a way that we were obviously supposed to think was sexy, but looked to me more like a DeLorean with the doors open.

I liked Ormewood being so enthusiastic about the fried burrito at Jimmy's Bean Hut. "They start with a half pound of cheese, and that sounds like a lot . . . "  

No Assistant District Attorney would go into court with her shirt unbuttoned that low.  So unprofessional.  

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I really liked this episode. Except for the lack of Betty. (One suspect is a dog groomer yet there's no Betty and/or Nico?! WTF? I'll forgive it for now but I don't want Betty-less episodes to become a regular thing.)

I actually dressed up as Sidney Bristow for Halloween back when the show was on. By that I mean, black clothes and a pink wig.

Amanda gets to be the mother to Sunny that she couldn't be to Will. I like that. 

Ormewood opening up to Faith in the elevator and them going to dinner is my favorite kind of television.

Angie seeing that Will has a smartphone felt like the moment she saw how  they hold each other back

19 hours ago, possibilities said:

I like Gina R's character. Not as much as I liked Cricket, though. I'm still upset they killed Cricket.

I could easily see Cricket saying Marion's dialog. I feel like both characters were meant to serve the same purpose.

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10 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

They threw in plenty of Doggie Porn to try to make us forget the Betty White was not in this episode.

It did not work. As cute as that dog was, it was no substitute for Betty. What the hell, show?

10 hours ago, dleighg said:

All of them at the chess tournament were so fricking obvious talking into their microphones. Wouldn't the bad guys see that immediately? (And there were a bunch of them wandering around between the real bad guys and the fake spies)

When I see such a scene in TV shows and movies, I always think what I'd do to blend in more and not seem so obvious. Carry a cup of coffee, a tote bag, something! And, in this case, couldn't they have worn AirPods instead of those ear pieces with the curly cord hanging down? 

I didn't notice that that woman at the chess thing looked like Jennifer Garner, but I thought it was so hilarious that she pops up with the gun and is immediately tackled.

9 hours ago, fishcakes said:

"Polaski, is this man bothering you?" I'm sorry, but when did Ormewood become completely adorable?

Yes, Ormewood is so much improved. I'm really enjoying him. The 'Floor is Lava' business was great. Cute and funny. 

As far as Angie goes, she is really pissing me off. I can understand that she has a lot of baggage, has been through so many terrible things in her life, but I can't abide that she blames Will for arresting her. It's not just how she's behaving that annoys me, but also that it seems the show is presenting Will and Angie as equally at fault. 

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11 hours ago, dleighg said:

All of them at the chess tournament were so fricking obvious talking into their microphones. Wouldn't the bad guys see that immediately? (And there were a bunch of them wandering around between the real bad guys and the fake spies)

Right? That kinda of annoyed me.  I mean, hold a phone up to your ear to pretend like you are talking on the phone or something.  LOL.

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The opening scene with the four of them and "the floor is lava" was absolutely fantastic.

Also... maybe just me, but I was thinking of the discussion from the first episode about Gina Rodriguez's character abd whether she was going to be a love interest for Will or a season-long-arc surprise bad guy, and someone suggested both. Will's line to her about arresting someone to end a relationship for good made me wonder if that was a hint for both.  She would be his love interest; he would find out she was a bad guy, and paralleling the premiere (arresting the mayor) and last season's finale (arresting Angie), he'd arrest Marion.

Just a thought.

11 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

I didn't watch it either but I absolutely loved how TV fandom was woven into the plot.  My favorite scene was Angie and Ormewood explaining the plot to Alias to  Faith and Will. 

It was actually even funnier if you have watched Alias, as they basically quoted word for word the monologue they had Jennifer Garner do at the beginning of each episode as the show got established explaining the basic plot.

 

9 hours ago, DearEvette said:

And finally, Ormewood's character is really how you do character evolution well.  And I am also enjoying his and Faith's friendship.

Yup. It helps that the actor is likeable and absolutely kills the comedic bits. Loved his disappointment that Amanda got to tackle the bad guy before he could after chasing him all that way.

 

8 hours ago, fastiller said:

Were I Amanda, I'd give Sunny a pass for a little bit.  IDK how much time has passed since the woman who was raising her (IIRC it wasn't her grandmother, it was someone else) died and she was taken by a bad actor police officer and chased thru a mall by same.  I think she is still processing all that happened to her and may have a touch of PTSD.

Yeah, I give Sunny a total pass for being sullen for now.

7 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I was surprised that no one reminded Angie that her bad choice ended up getting Crystal killed, especially Will, although I guess its so bad that neither Angie or Will wanted to get into it? Those men who were killed might be easier for Angie to write off, being creeps (although that's not great from a cop) but she did all of this for Crystal and this is how it ended up. I hope that Angie and Will can find a way to be friends again, and that she finally really comes to understand how badly she screwed up, but I really hope they avoid another romance, way too much baggage.  

Crystal dying as a result of Angie's actions was conspicuously absent from their fight at the restaurant. 

And yes, waaaayyyy too much baggage to be in a romantic relationship, in my opinion.

2 hours ago, marceline said:

Ormewood opening up to Faith in the elevator and them going to dinner is my favorite kind of television.

I loved that scene.

 

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

As far as Angie goes, she is really pissing me off. I can understand that she has a lot of baggage, has been through so many terrible things in her life, but I can't abide that she blames Will for arresting her. It's not just how she's behaving that annoys me, but also that it seems the show is presenting Will and Angie as equally at fault. 

Yes, especially to the last part. 

Angie blames Will for ruining their relationship and their future by arresting her, when the truth is that she doomed their relationship the minute she lied about what happened with Crystal.

And I felt uncomfortably like we the audience were supposed to side with Angie in their restaurant fight. And none of the other characters seem bothered by what Angie did. Only Will. Like somehow it's a failing that he wasn't willing to continue with the cover-up, like he was just too inflexible or something, rather than just having an ethical code.

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7 hours ago, agathapenny said:

Loved his disappointment that Amanda got to tackle the bad guy before he could after chasing him all that way.

I was very confused by that. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, or am misremembering, but how did the bad guy end up at the police station? Or was Amanda just watching from some office in the hotel/conference center?

22 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

It drives me crazy that they disappeared one of Ormewood's kids.  I wonder what the point of that is.  Did they start out thinking (vague book talk)

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they were going to keep book Ormewood and he'd be gone soon and changed their mind so they made his family more manageable?

It reminds me of Succession when Roman had a wife/fiance and child in one episode and then they were literally never mentioned again. Your speculation for the reasoning does make sense though.

20 hours ago, DearEvette said:

I swear, I think at one point Ormewood's butt was in Faith's face.

It sure was. Listen, I'm not saying I ship them, but I'm not saying I don't lol.

16 hours ago, Calvada said:

No Assistant District Attorney would go into court with her shirt unbuttoned that low.  So unprofessional.  

Yea, I was like maybe one more button for court, buddy.

11 hours ago, driver18 said:

Also... maybe just me, but I was thinking of the discussion from the first episode about Gina Rodriguez's character abd whether she was going to be a love interest for Will or a season-long-arc surprise bad guy, and someone suggested both. Will's line to her about arresting someone to end a relationship for good made me wonder if that was a hint for both.  She would be his love interest; he would find out she was a bad guy, and paralleling the premiere (arresting the mayor) and last season's finale (arresting Angie), he'd arrest Marion.

I literally hate this. It feels like more of the same shit. Will loves someone or could like them and then it all blows up (literally in Cricket's case). They need to try something new.

That being said, I really don't want a Will/Marion romance. At all. I need to just ignore all that and focus on everything I love about this show.

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It's probably just me, but I feel like the ADA's husband is going to end up being Chekhov's husband.  If her marriage is over, then divorce, but her 'confusion' over the status of her marriage is a red flag to me ('I'm married, but he, I'm not married'...).  Will, there are issues there, just walk away.  If she is above board, then wait until after the divorce (otherwise, is she any better than season 1 cheating Ormwood?).

Angie blames Will?  Wow.  Talk about a lack of self-awareness.  And, I am glad that she blames him because, hopefully, it will help Will to walk away from a toxic relationship.

Overall, I really enjoyed this episode.  Dog Groomer!  The Floor is Lava! Secret CIA agents! Ormwood's crush! So many great moments.  BUT, there was also a lack of Betty,...

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