S14.E02: A Sobering Separation

[Wicked]

I think the suicide of Kyle's close childhood friend played a part.  I believe she mentioned that Mo wasn't there for her after that?  I'm pretty sure she said at one point that the suicide was a factor, at the very least a major trauma for her

[Crazydoxielady]

There’s something about Kyle and those obnoxious hair antlers that just makes me wanna slap the smirk off her face. The practiced look of shock when she was talking with Dorit in the beginning of the episode just triggers me! I’m glad that Dorit is finally standing up for herself and I think that Kyle has had this coming for a long time. I hope this is the season that she finally gets what is coming to her. Goodbye Kyle!!!

PK certainly let Dorit know where he stands. You can see he’s proud of his perceived “glow up.” You could also see Dorit wasn’t quite expecting that conversation and appeared to possibly want to work on things. It’s obvious however that PK is onto “mid life crisis single PK 2.0 era.” He’s divorced and left a family before so this isn’t brand new to him. 
Loved loved loved Boz’s house. So much color and flare. She is a beautiful woman and I look forward to seeing more. She does seem very polished, how could she not be with her work history ? But hopefully she can balance showing us her real life coupled with her fabulous lifestyle. 
 

[Starlight925]

Boz and Garcelle have something in common that no one else on this show has:  they have both had extensive, extremely successful careers.  

I recently re-watched NYPD Blue (a fave of mine), and Garcelle was amazing.  I remember watching her in it when the show originally aired and thinking....this woman's gonna go places.  Boz has had similar success in a completely different path.  These are women I want to watch.

The rest of these women are fake-pearl clutching professional victims.

[Crazydoxielady]

23 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I think in some shots Kyle looks good (hair and makeup done) but that shot of her talking to Sutton at her pj and pizza party she looked horrifying, she used to be a naturally pretty woman but yikes the slippery slope of cosmetic surgery is real.

Right? Like a weird morph into Tuesday Adams at 50 plus. The eyebrows and hotdog lips coupled with the juvenile pigtails do her NO favors. The injections & overly dark eyebrow microblading have made her look weird & haggish. 

[ladle1]

3 hours ago, Slakkie said:

Mo may seem all nice but money is money

Mau money, Mau problems.

Sorry, couldn’t resist. 

[lasu]

I'd forgotten that Kyle said Mo had done something to make her lose trust in him, which kicked all this off. If that's the case, why would she trust he'll do right by her in a divorce? 

I have a bad feeling PK is going to end up hating Dorit, and I feel a bit badly for her. He seems like the kind of guy to burn bridges. 

[Mr. Miner]

What now seems like an unpopular opinion, I don’t GAF about Dorit!

[ZettaK]

8 hours ago, ladle1 said:

I have never thought Dorit was in on the home invasion. The key reason is that, for all of the negative things we can say about Dorit (which are myriad) she has always struck me as a loving mom, and I don't think she'd ever put her kids in the middle of something like that. 

However, given recent developments, the idea that P.K. maybe planned it without her knowledge is tantalizing and horrific.

The first burglary was solved, and the two culprits were tried and convicted. They were burglarizing celebrity homes. There is no more information about the status of the investigation of the second one, but it took years for the first case to be solved. 

[Keywestclubkid]

6 hours ago, Wicked said:

I think the suicide of Kyle's close childhood friend played a part.  I believe she mentioned that Mo wasn't there for her after that?  I'm pretty sure she said at one point that the suicide was a factor, at the very least a major trauma for her

Kyle has a thing (self admitted) where if you don’t do exactly the thing she wants/expects or have a reaction she thinks you should have or hell sneeze in a givin situation with her or slight her in the least perceived or not (looking at Dorit) she will hold that grudge and will start to emotionally ice you out without telling you what you did ..I’m just saying this is a pattern and it could have been something so innocuous that he didn’t even realize he did it and she’s not gonna tell him  .. there is no way he was just absent I feel 

Edited Thursday at 08:41 PM by Keywestclubkid

[ZettaK]

3 hours ago, lasu said:

I'd forgotten that Kyle said Mo had done something to make her lose trust in him, which kicked all this off. If that's the case, why would she trust he'll do right by her in a divorce? 

I have a bad feeling PK is going to end up hating Dorit, and I feel a bit badly for her. He seems like the kind of guy to burn bridges. 

I don't know what Mauricio supposedly did because she never told us. It sounds like her convoluted story about Morgan, so I'm not sure if I trust this either.

[nicole21290]

9 hours ago, ladle1 said:

Again, is this true? I feel like I've missed something! Given the timeline on the show, it seemed like their marriage was in trouble long before Kyle started gallivanting with Morgan. There was speculation about Mau cheating for years, and Kyle alludes to some big thing that Mau did that made her lose her trust in him, which was the dealbreaker. I thought this was all before Morgan entered the picture.

Look, I don't like Kyle most of the time. I think she's a major gaslighter and a professional victim, and when she took Brandi's crutches she showed us all who she was. That said, I think that regardless of the circumstances, it's totally normal to mourn the end of a decades-long marriage, where you've raised children together (one of whom is still a minor). 

When Kyle talks about issues in their marriage, she consistently goes back to times when she was literally breastfeeding, when they had young kids, and says they never dealt with those issues so they cropped up later as well. Even aside from whatever he did to lose her trust. 

She started hanging out with Morgan a lot more after she returned from the family's Euro vacation and a trip to Australia. This was a couple of months after her best friend's suicide and when she decided to stop drinking. Everything seems to have come to a head at once. 

I will point out - just to be a pedant - that it was KIM who hid the crutches. Kyle knew about it, but she didn't take that action herself. 

[ZettaK]

19 hours ago, ChristmasJones said:

I assume when someone pays alimony/spousal support, it is only a portion of their income. What kind of career does someone have where $4.2 million per year is a portion of their income?  

Christian Stracke, Sutton's ex husband is the global head of credit research and a managing director at PIMCO, an investment management firm.

Edited Friday at 01:24 AM by ZettaK

[ladle1]

3 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

I will point out - just to be a pedant - that it was KIM who hid the crutches. Kyle knew about it, but she didn't take that action herself. 

Oh, you’re right. Point taken! She did laugh about it and not help Brandi, if I recall? 

[ZettaK]

12 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Darn Bitcoin again! (RHNY) 

Seriously, though, the Betrayal that can’t be forgiven had to be one of the two biggies-infidelity or money.  They don’t owe us the agonizing details, but it’s really annoying to watch a show where it’s all hints and talking in circles. Just don’t bring it up or Be Honest. The in between stuff makes for a boring and frustrating season because no one knows how to act or what can be talked about. 

I agree. I said in another comment that Kyle never revealed what the betrayal was, exactly like she didn't reveal anything about Morgan. Everything is so vague, and I'm sure deliberately vague.

Edited Friday at 02:28 AM by ZettaK

[politichick]

48 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Christian Stracke, Sutton's ex husband is the global head of credit research and a managing director at PIMCO, an investment management firm.

There was way more to Christian's income than his salary, hence the deep dive good detective work of the forensic accountants that uncovered things like a sports team they owned that Sutton was unaware of.

On the After Show, even Erika told Kyle that while she understands she might not be ready to file for divorce, she should still seek legal counsel to know exactly what's at stake and on the table. Mauricio has been working like a demon opening branches of The Agency across the world. And while I think he will definitely be generous in the settlement (as others have said the daughters will die on that hill), will he give Kyle all she's entitled to per California law? And according to her, it was her idea for them to get real estate licenses in the first place to earn better money, if I recall correctly. When Kyle is ready, she needs to hire Sutton's forensic accountants, but then again, what he offers may be more than enough to meet her needs.

At NYMag, some have suggested that they may be one of those couples who never divorce (unless, of course, Mauricio wants to procreate with another woman, doubt Kyle wants to have more children), and the beat goes on.

[ZettaK]

On 11/28/2024 at 9:19 PM, politichick said:

There was way more to Christian's income than his salary, hence the deep dive good detective work of the forensic accountants that uncovered things like a sports team they owned that Sutton was unaware of.

On the After Show, even Erika told Kyle that while she understands she might not be ready to file for divorce, she should still seek legal counsel to know exactly what's at stake and on the table. Mauricio has been working like a demon opening branches of The Agency across the world. And while I think he will definitely be generous in the settlement (as others have said the daughters will die on that hill), will he give Kyle all she's entitled to per California law? And according to her, it was her idea for them to get real estate licenses in the first place to earn better money, if I recall correctly. When Kyle is ready, she needs to hire Sutton's forensic accountants, but then again, what he offers may be more than enough to meet her needs.

At NYMag, some have suggested that they may be one of those couples who never divorce (unless, of course, Mauricio wants to procreate with another woman, doubt Kyle wants to have more children), and the beat goes on.

Yes, of course there was/is more to Christian Stracke's income. This is his latest title and position, but he was a successful executive for a long time. I don't doubt he received bonuses, stock options, etc., and he invested, as well. It's better to receive a specific amount every month in a divorce settlement until you get remarried or die, like Sutton did than a small lump sum (which she received, as well, about $2 million on top of the house, art, her clothes, etc.).

I don't doubt Kyle would employ a forensic accountant if she had to.

Edited Saturday at 09:00 AM by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

15 hours ago, ladle1 said:

Again, is this true? I feel like I've missed something! Given the timeline on the show, it seemed like their marriage was in trouble long before Kyle started gallivanting with Morgan. There was speculation about Mau cheating for years, and Kyle alludes to some big thing that Mau did that made her lose her trust in him, which was the dealbreaker. I thought this was all before Morgan entered the picture.

Look, I don't like Kyle most of the time. I think she's a major gaslighter and a professional victim, and when she took Brandi's crutches she showed us all who she was. That said, I think that regardless of the circumstances, it's totally normal to mourn the end of a decades-long marriage, where you've raised children together (one of whom is still a minor). 

There was speculation in gossip "media" without a hint of evidence. And we know that nothing can remain hidden in our times. As for Kyle, she is deliberately vague about this, as she is about Morgan.  

15 hours ago, Wicked said:

I think the suicide of Kyle's close childhood friend played a part.  I believe she mentioned that Mo wasn't there for her after that?  I'm pretty sure she said at one point that the suicide was a factor, at the very least a major trauma for her

Yes, Kyle said that. Her issue was that she needed Mauricio's support, and he was more interested in expanding his business all over the world. So, perhaps this was the biggest betrayal.

Edited Friday at 05:08 AM by ZettaK

[RealHousewife]

5 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I don't know what Mauricio supposedly did because she never told us. It sounds like her convoluted story about Morgan, so I'm not sure if I trust this either.

I don't know what to believe either. Kyle has a victim mentality, but I remember she said there was something inappropriate she found online. Maybe there wasn't a full-blown affair but flirty messages?

I swear relationships would all be healthier if none of us had social media. Even if you're 100% faithful and innocent (which who knows), you can't help the messages you receive. Even though Kyle isn't my favorite, it's honestly sad how some people almost seemed to want Mauricio to be screwing around on her since season 1 and acted like she was oh so lucky to have a hot husband who made $$$ and no way could he be faithful too. I remember thinking uhh, she looks like Demi Moore and he's lucky to have a beautiful wife and loving mom to his kids as well. 

[ZettaK]

2 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I don't know what to believe either. Kyle has a victim mentality, but I remember she said there was something inappropriate she found online. Maybe there wasn't a full-blown affair but flirty messages?

I swear relationships would all be healthier if none of us had social media. Even if you're 100% faithful and innocent (which who knows), you can't help the messages you receive. Even though Kyle isn't my favorite, it's honestly sad how some people almost seemed to want Mauricio to be screwing around on her since season 1 and acted like she was oh so lucky to have a hot husband who made $$$ and no way could he be faithful too. I remember thinking uhh, she looks like Demi Moore and he's lucky to have a beautiful wife and loving mom to his kids as well. 

I agree about people, including some of the women in the cast wanted Mauricio to be unfaithful because they were probably jealous of Kyle having a relatively attractive husband who loved her and was becoming more successful and well off.

I think Kyle said that women sent messages to Mauricio, but he never answered them. 

[bearcatfan1508]

What in the world is Boz doing on this show? I like her (so far) and her accomplishments, but given what she's done in the corporate world I don't know why she thinks this is a step up.

As an aside, my daughter works for corporate Pepsi so the Pepsi connection got my attention. She's a relatively new hire and works in a different division. But what Boz said about Pepsi doesn't square with what my daughter (also a POC) has experienced - maybe the entertainment/marketing area is much different than the divisions that actually make products to sell.

[chessiegal]

3 hours ago, bearcatfan1508 said:

What in the world is Boz doing on this show?

Promoting her speaking engagement business? She's no longer working for Pepsi, right?

[Starlight925]

19 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Kyle has a thing (self admitted) where if you don’t do exactly the thing she wants/expects or have a reaction she thinks you should have or hell sneeze in a givin situation with her or slight her in the least perceived or not (looking at Dorit) she will hold that grudge and will start to emotionally ice you out without telling you what you did 

You've just described BPD.

 

14 hours ago, politichick said:

At NYMag, some have suggested that they may be one of those couples who never divorce (unless, of course, Mauricio wants to procreate with another woman, doubt Kyle wants to  CAN have more children)

FIFY.  😆

[Chatty Cake]

 Kyle needs to out Mauricio like she did her sister Kim. “You’re a goddamn cheater” Do it Kyle!
I fInd Boz obnoxious and don’t understand all the ass kissing. She’s horrible.

Look at PK no longer coddling Dorit. I hope the whole season isn’t about her being husbandless not friendless.

 

 

[Mr. Miner]

I don’t love or hate Kyle but surely she’s not the first to dump Dorit as a friend, she’s f-ing insufferable.

[StevieRocks]

Poor Vile. She was ready to rule the season with her divorce story line, but now another of the dingbat howives is ALSO getting a divorce. Sorry, Vile, you're as vapid and banal as you've always been and more so with RHOBH's dueling divorces. Yawn. Better luck next time.

 

Edited Saturday at 12:51 AM by StevieRocks

[lemoncake]

I'm jumping into BH after several years hiatus. I left  during the season with Lisa and Dorit dog returning and all the Rinna crap and Erika and her glam squad. I just couldn't take it. Of course  I've read about Kyle's marriage and Erika and her mess with Tom. So now that most of the ones I thought brought the show down are gone, I'll give it a shot. Kathy Hilton looks awful. Just stop with the plastic surgery. Erika actually doesn't bug so far. Clearly the storyline is Kyle boo hooing over her divorce and Dorit and PK. I've always thought PK was sketchy. And Sutton is 100% right. File and get an accounting now, before Mo has a chance to hide assets. Hes not your friend. Theres a old saying that the person you marry isn't the person you divorce. 

No opinion on Boz except her house is god awful. Like a home accessory store threw up in granny's house. 

Edited Saturday at 02:26 AM by lemoncake

[Shannah Banana]

On 11/28/2024 at 12:35 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

What is the point of edible gold dust?

It's for rich people, so even when they take a dump it sparkles and shines 💩

[SemiCharmedLife]

On 11/27/2024 at 5:10 AM, Mr. Miner said:

How much is PK worth today?

Paul Kemsley has an estimated net worth of $50 million in 2024. Paul Kemsley's net worth in 2024 includes earnings from his successful career as a sports executive, real estate developer, and celebrity manager. He is most famous for his appearance on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.Jul 24, 2024                                                                                                   

I don't know how accurate this is but I was kind of shocked.                                                          

Is that in US dollars, UK pounds, or Monopoly money?

[ZettaK]

3 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

Is that in US dollars, UK pounds, or Monopoly money?

Monopoly money of course!

[Jel]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:48 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Boz’s husband looks like Alex McCord’s husband Simon in one of those photos (RHoNY).

Ah, Simon. I wish we could get those two back. I was new to HW shows back then and didn't realize what we had til it was gone.

[heatherchandler]

On 11/26/2024 at 11:48 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Boz’s husband looks like Alex McCord’s husband Simon in one of those photos (RHoNY).

 

On 11/27/2024 at 7:10 AM, Mr. Miner said:

How much is PK worth today?

Paul Kemsley has an estimated net worth of $50 million in 2024. Paul Kemsley's net worth in 2024 includes earnings from his successful career as a sports executive, real estate developer, and celebrity manager. He is most famous for his appearance on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.Jul 24, 2024                                                                                                   

I don't know how accurate this is but I was kind of shocked.                                                          

No WAY!  They are broke.  They haven’t paid their mortgage in months.

 

[amarante]

On 11/27/2024 at 9:31 PM, ChristmasJones said:

I assume when someone pays alimony/spousal support, it is only a portion of their income. What kind of career does someone have where $4.2 million per year is a portion of their income?  

Christian joined the investment management firm Pimco (Pacific Investment Management Company, LLC) in 2008 and has since become the company's managing director, president, and global head of the credit research group. According to his Pimcobio, Christian, based in the London office, oversees international operations outside the Americas and the credit group's debt capital structure. Christian is also a senior portfolio manager and sits on the firm's Executive Committee.

At this level, they would have an extremely high base compensation but the really huge "salary" is in the form of their bonus as which can easily reach $20 or $30 million dollars. It is often structured so that they don't pay regular income tax rates but the lower capital gains rates. 

He would also have a significant portfolio which is generating income. 

Suffice it to say that he can easily pay Sutton and still fund a lavish life style. 

The amount might also have included child support since Sutton appears to have had physical custody of their children. 

[ZettaK]

11 hours ago, Jel said:

Ah, Simon. I wish we could get those two back. I was new to HW shows back then and didn't realize what we had til it was gone.

Unfortunately, those two love birds moved to Australia where they still are a few years after they left the show (or got fired). 

https://people.com/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-alum-alex-mccord-visits-former-brooklyn-townhouse-13-years-after-leaving-show-8426867#:~:text=Three years later%2C in September,to be closer to family

[Glama]

On 11/28/2024 at 3:43 PM, Wicked said:

I think the suicide of Kyle's close childhood friend played a part.  I believe she mentioned that Mo wasn't there for her after that?  I'm pretty sure she said at one point that the suicide was a factor, at the very least a major trauma for her

Wait, is this the friend in whose funeral Morgan sang about having floor sex?

[SweetieDarling]

26 minutes ago, Glama said:

Wait, is this the friend in whose funeral Morgan sang about having floor sex?

Yes, and somehow that was appropriate, but Kyle clutched her pearls listening to the band at Sutton's surrealist party 🤷‍♀️

[nicole21290]

4 hours ago, Glama said:

Wait, is this the friend in whose funeral Morgan sang about having floor sex?

To be clear, it was a fundraiser for NAMI that took a place a year after her death - in her memory. The night was deemed 'A Night of Music' in the press at the time and Morgan performed a full set and spoke about her own mental health history. The two songs that were shown onscreen are her two most well-known/popular. 

[Dr Mama]

On 11/29/2024 at 2:36 AM, bearcatfan1508 said:

As an aside, my daughter works for corporate Pepsi so the Pepsi connection got my attention. She's a relatively new hire and works in a different division. But what Boz said about Pepsi doesn't square with what my daughter (also a POC) has experienced - maybe the entertainment/marketing area is much different than the divisions that actually make products to sell.

It could be just the particular manager she had? Indra Nooyi was CEO of PepsiCo for many years (including all the time Boz was there), so I doubt it was a corporate-wide culture.

 

[SemiCharmedLife]

On 11/28/2024 at 5:40 AM, Pi237 said:

Seriously, though, the Betrayal that can’t be forgiven had to be one of the two biggies-infidelity or money.  They don’t owe us the agonizing details, but it’s really annoying to watch a show where it’s all hints and talking in circles. Just don’t bring it up or Be Honest. The in between stuff makes for a boring and frustrating season because no one knows how to act or what can be talked about. 

Be "open and honest," Kyle!!!