S47.E08: He's All That

[LadyChatts]

1 hour ago, bankerchick said:

Didn't they decide it was cultural appropriation or making fun of other cultures or something?

Last I heard Jeff say, it was actually because they don’t visit different locations anymore.  The gross food items typically were delicacies of that particular country.  I’m trying to remember when they stopped gross food challenges all together (I felt like it was before Fiji became the permanent home but maybe I’m wrong).  

[jsm1125]

Does anyone know if Andy was an allowable option for Sierra, for the shared peanut butter and chocolate item? If he was eligible, that seems short-sighted of her to not pick him. 

[KaveDweller]

18 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Also: why aren't the hidden idols . . . well . . . more idol-like? It's basically string and beads. Make those look good.

I think they make them simpler so that there is more of a chance of people making believable fake idols.

We haven't really seen a fake idol in awhile, but I remember Jeff loved them.

[Fostersmom]

Did I see Kyle chopping bamboo with a hand saw???? 

[bankerchick]

6 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I dare say I consider the revered Boston Rob kind of an insufferable jackass who only got his W because they put him among a cast of noobs who were in awe of him.

Not only that, I'm sure he was the reason they invented Redemption Island, so a voted-out player could come back.  Thank goodness he finally won because I'm convinced they'd still be bringing him back otherwise.

[srhall79]

My take on Rachel was she realized her tribe was the target ("Where's everyone gone, why isn't anyone talking to us?") but I think suspected that she personally wasn't in the crosshairs. While she might have watched for reactions to see if she should also play her idol, by playing her Shot she didn't have to vote. Which means she didn't have to vote for Sam or Sierra, and risk alienating a jury vote, and she didn't have to put a vote on someone who would ask at the start of next episode "Who voted for me?"

I'd been thinking people were wildly off painting Rachel as some big threat. She's sociable, sure, but I haven't seen much gameplay or tactics from her. After tonight, I think she's intelligent and observant.

My wife and I both forgot Sam had lost his vote, so we were trying to figure out who between Sam and Sierra had voted for the other.

Totally get Andy turning on Sam and Sierra, considering how they'd taken him for granted and put him up as the decoy vote two weeks ago without a fight. But his, "I'm a dirty player!" No, Andy, you're a bit of a mess, there's a difference. 

[Chicago Redshirt]

9 hours ago, jsm1125 said:

Does anyone know if Andy was an allowable option for Sierra, for the shared peanut butter and chocolate item? If he was eligible, that seems short-sighted of her to not pick him. 

I don't see why Sierra wouldn't have been able to pick him. I guess, maybe because he had no money? But it seems like that's something TPTB should have shown if she was precluded from selecting him. 

And yes, it was a pretty dumb omission, assuming Sierra had the choice. Even if they were not supposedly allies, to show sympathy as a human being for someone who didn't get to partake in any of the food, and to procure him as a potential jury vote, having him be one of the two people to share is obvious. I'll be curious to hear why that apparently didn't occur to her.

I do have to say I'm surprised that there was not a Liz-missing-out-on-Applebee's style extended meltdown from Andy on that point. We know he's got it in him from how he reacted to the lack of clapping from his cutting open a coconut. I may have missed it but there didn't seem to be any confessional from Andy about how he was pissed off about having been excluded either. So maybe he was precluded from sharing? Because one has to expect that he'd gripe about being deprived and TPTB would normally include that footage.

I also have to say for three people to have three minutes to eat that peanut butter and chocolate, it seemed like they barely made a dent. I'm a Reese's fiend so I would probably put as big a hurt on that as they did all by lonesome  not even having been starved for two weeks.

[SummerDreams]

15 hours ago, bankerchick said:

Her possibly leaving last week had nothing to do with being a good player, she was odd-man out on a team where everyone else was on the same tribe.  She was easy and had it not been for the advantage, she would have been gone through no fault of her own.

A genuinelly good player would have found a way to overcome this obstacle by strategic moves or social game. There is always a way out. If you watch Big Brother you must know Dan and his "funeral".

[Gummo]

15 hours ago, bankerchick said:

Eat the chicken wings, use the protein, then decide if you want to go back to vegetarianism when you get home.

This. It's a diet, not a religion.

And I haven't seen this mentioned yet:

Does anyone else think the immunity necklace look like something they found at the bottom of the $1 bin at a pop-up Halloween store? I mean, cheap & tacky is one thing, but ... come on! I know it's season 47 or whatever, but make an effort, prop people!

[SummerDreams]

15 hours ago, bankerchick said:

As far as this week is concerned, I yelled at the tv when she first played her SITD, but as many here have said, I think she did that to gauge whether or not she needed to play her idol, which was pretty smart of her.

Even if this is the reason she did it, she showed the others that she doesn't trust them and this will be detrimental from next week on. She just "saved" herself for one tribal, and that's not even because she played this game, but because the others had agreed that Sierra was more dangerous.

[SummerDreams]

14 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Rachel was put in a situation where she escaped a near-certain boot through one unearned advantage and got yet another clue leading her to an idol. Suspecting producer intervention doesn't exactly suggest you need a tin foil hat.

I never suggested producer intervention.

14 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

That said, her potential to have been booted doesn't say anything about how good or bad a player she is.

Of course it does. A good player finds a way to escape this bad place she was in. Create a story, betray people, lie, be more social, promise the sky to people, whatever. She didn't exactly do anything of these things.

15 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Some of the greatest players to win or go far in the game are (at least for me) pretty unlikeable. See Russell Hantz

Russell never won. I never talked about likeability anyway.

15 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

So if she is setting things up to play her idol to blindside someone AND she keeps the fact that she has an idol secret until it's time to deploy it, she will move up in my estimation.

So you are suggesting that she delibiretaly became the target for next week so she can use her idol? Even if she succeeds, 1. they always split the bote and 2. she will make herself an even bigger target after that.

What I'm trying to say is that there have been players on Survivor and on Big Brother who have found ways to be saved when all odds were against them. These are called "the legends". Rachel is no legend.

[blackwing]

13 hours ago, jsm1125 said:

Does anyone know if Andy was an allowable option for Sierra, for the shared peanut butter and chocolate item? If he was eligible, that seems short-sighted of her to not pick him. 

3 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I don't see why Sierra wouldn't have been able to pick him. I guess, maybe because he had no money? But it seems like that's something TPTB should have shown if she was precluded from selecting him. 

And yes, it was a pretty dumb omission, assuming Sierra had the choice. Even if they were not supposedly allies, to show sympathy as a human being for someone who didn't get to partake in any of the food, and to procure him as a potential jury vote, having him be one of the two people to share is obvious. I'll be curious to hear why that apparently didn't occur to her.

I do have to say I'm surprised that there was not a Liz-missing-out-on-Applebee's style extended meltdown from Andy on that point. We know he's got it in him from how he reacted to the lack of clapping from his cutting open a coconut. I may have missed it but there didn't seem to be any confessional from Andy about how he was pissed off about having been excluded either. So maybe he was precluded from sharing? Because one has to expect that he'd gripe about being deprived and TPTB would normally include that footage.

I also have to say for three people to have three minutes to eat that peanut butter and chocolate, it seemed like they barely made a dent. I'm a Reese's fiend so I would probably put as big a hurt on that as they did all by lonesome  not even having been starved for two weeks.

Sierra could have chosen Andy.  She talks in her EW interview about how it didn't even occur to her to pick Andy.  She says she picked Gabe and Caroline because they got screwed over with their purchases (a coconut filled with water, fish eyes).  She also says that Andy had just eaten well on a reward.

I was amazed at how little they actually ate.  There were entire bars of chocolate that weren't even touched.  

 

9 hours ago, bankerchick said:

Not only that, I'm sure he was the reason they invented Redemption Island, so a voted-out player could come back.  Thank goodness he finally won because I'm convinced they'd still be bringing him back otherwise.

Agreed, the show all but contrived a way to hand him the money under the guise of an actual competitive season.  However, in the Winners at War season, we saw how poorly he did in all the challenges, even he himself seemed to realise he can't do it anymore.  

 

[nlkm9]

20 hours ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

The auction was cool yet dumb at the same time.  A whole pie? A dozen cupcakes/cookies/truffles?  Who the fuck can eat all that by themselves?  I'm not saying they should share, but make the portions more logical. Induction of gastric distress should not be a reward.

And what if somebody wolfing down the fries chokes on the clue?

I think she had it in her fingers and her wrist was bent straight up. It was a weird edit/shot.
 

Easier to hide/camouflage?

I also noticed some came with no drink. Yes, eating a whole cake will get anyone sick!! I felt that kyle should have been given a vergetarian option. Oh that choc and pb I was drooling and Im not starving!!!

[iMonrey]

On 11/7/2024 at 10:29 AM, Rodney said:

Genevieve said just last week that she likes {Andy}.  But yeah, nobody respects him other than she.

Genevieve also liked Rome. Which is why I can't stand Genevieve. 

[rr2911]

Andy needed to be eliminated like a month ago!  He reminds me of that dude who thinks they're cool and know what's going on.  They better watch out or he will be this season's "Maryann"!

Could Rachel have played her HII after she played her SITD?

I'm  glad Survivor didn't succumb to Kyle's food preferences.  He had choices before he joined the show.

I hope there is a season where they go "back in time" and play according to the original rules.  These new era players will probably be begging to be eliminated!

 

 

Edited November 8 by rr2911

[Kenzie]

1 hour ago, rr2911 said:

I hope there is a season where they go "back in time" and play according to the original rules.

I think that's why I keep watching - hoping for the day (maybe the final season?) when they go Back to Borneo. Original rules, no exceptions.

 

1 hour ago, rr2911 said:

These new era players will probably be begging to be eliminated!

These coddled, whiney, too-lazy-to-fish New Era players would be basket cases or dead in a week!

[Kenzie]

2 hours ago, rr2911 said:

Andy needed to be eliminated like a month ago! 

Can you imagine Andy if he was on Season One crying because he didn't get enough atta-boys for cutting a coconut? They would have had him for dinner.

[astrohip]

22 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Rachel was put in a situation where she escaped a near-certain boot through one unearned advantage and got yet another clue leading her to an idol. Suspecting producer intervention doesn't exactly suggest you need a tin foil hat.

 

I guess it comes down to whether you believe the show is rigged or not. CBS & Jeff are adamant that this show is legit, and they never make a decision to help or hinder an individual player. He keeps talking about how the show is laid out before it starts, and they follow the plan. They know when every idol/advantage is going to be rolled out, and what each challenge will be, and how it will be held. There is also a CBS S&P person there 24/7, just to make sure everything's legit. So I think most of us believe the show is fair to all, or maybe better said, unfair to all. 

If you think it's rigged, or the producers step in at times, or push one person ahead or behind another, then that's what you think. Most of us would say (to use your words) "you need a tin foil hat". But you can choose what to believe, even if you're wrong.

 

20 hours ago, jsm1125 said:

Does anyone know if Andy was an allowable option for Sierra, for the shared peanut butter and chocolate item? If he was eligible, that seems short-sighted of her to not pick him. 

Sierra, from her exit interview:

 

Andy had just eaten at the merge reward.

I definitely I let him slip through the cracks, and I am getting all of these comments: “Why did you not share the chocolate with Andy?” Things like that, which ultimately I have a whole explanation for that. They didn't show why I randomly chose Gabe and Caroline to share the chocolate with.

[Interviewer] I assumed that was because they got screwed on the auction items that they picked. Was that it?

They did, and they both haven't eaten at all. Gabe didn't have the barbecue reward, the merge feast, none of that. And I felt like I didn't have that connection with Tuku members yet. So I was like, “Let me try to build different alliances.” And I felt pretty good with Andy. I was like, “He's not going to turn on me. I'm not sharing chocolate with him. He just ate. He got food already.”

2 hours ago, rr2911 said:

 

Could Rachel have played her HII after she played her SITD?

Yes, the rules allow you to stack your idols and immunities. She could have played her idol if she wanted, immediately after the SitD was revealed. Additionally, having, or not having, a vote doesn't affect any of this.

Here's why she did it, repeating what others have said above.

She was worried that she was the target, even though her "allies" had said she wasn't. Remember, she was the target last week. So she played her SitD, to see the reactions. If it failed (which it did), and several players had shown signs of relief (as in: good, we can still vote her out), then she would have played her idol. But since everyone's reaction was more like "why did she do that?", she knew she was safe, and kept her Immunity Idol, also known as a French frIdol. And it's still a secret from everyone else.

[Rodney]

4 hours ago, rr2911 said:

They better watch out or he will be this season's "Maryann"!

. . . Who played a great game and absolutely deserved her win.  Kind of sad how you're still on that kick, even two-and-a-half years later.

Andy has literally nothing that Maryanne had.

Edited November 9 by Rodney

[Skooma]

11 hours ago, Gummo said:

This. It's a diet, not a religion.

This was about being a vegetarian so no big deal to not being one for a reality show.

For me it is a spiritual commitment to being a vegetarian and has nothing to do with diet.  People are vegetarian for many reasons.  And no I would never have surrendered a core part of my very being for a reality show and have eaten the chicken wings.

Edited November 9 by Skooma

[needschocolate]

On 11/7/2024 at 8:21 AM, iMonrey said:

Also, does Rachel wear her bra around her ass? Because in her narration she described discreetly hiding the clue in her bra but what we saw was her tucking it into the back of her pants.

To me, it looked like she was pushing it up under he shirt (and likely into her bra)

 

On 11/7/2024 at 10:54 AM, blackwing said:

I liked Sierra and I like Sam and I am greatly disliking The Andy Show.  Andy is a legend in his own mind, sitting there all cocky and interviewing about all his great plans and flipping his hair.  He doesn't seem to remember that he was absolutely awful in the challenges, and yet both times that Gata went to tribal, Sam was the driving force behind the decision to keep Andy.  So yes Andy, you DO owe Sam.

Yes he does, but , given how oblivious Andy can be, he probably doesn't realize it.  I keep thinking Andy is really surprised when he is watching the show at home.  What is being shown is a lot different than what he seems to think... plus missing all those bamboo tubes....   

[JudyObscure]

10 hours ago, Skooma said:

 

For me it is a spiritual commitment to being a vegetarian and has nothing to do with diet.  People are vegetarian for many reasons.  And no I would never have surrendered a core part of my very being for a reality show and have eaten the chicken wings.

Yes.  My son has been Vegan for many years.  He would no more eat a dead chicken than a dead dog.  He thinks it's wrong to kill animals and he's not species partial. It's much more of a religion than a diet with him.

I don't blame Kyle but I expect he's disappointed in himself.  There looked like quite a few rich calories in that dip

[PhoneCop]

Heh. according to the Stats page on Inside Survivor, "In the last four seasons with an auction, the player that won the margarita was voted out in the same episode." Jefra (Cagayan), Jenn (Worlds Apart), Kellie (45), and now Sierra. Margarita Curse!

Don't drink and Survivor, I guess.

Edited November 9 by PhoneCop

[astrohip]

10 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Yes.  My son has been Vegan for many years.  He would no more eat a dead chicken than a dead dog.  He thinks it's wrong to kill animals and he's not species partial. It's much more of a religion than a diet with him.

I don't blame Kyle but I expect he's disappointed in himself.  There looked like quite a few rich calories in that dip

 

21 hours ago, Skooma said:

This was about being a vegetarian so no big deal to not being one for a reality show.

For me it is a spiritual commitment to being a vegetarian and has nothing to do with diet.  People are vegetarian for many reasons.  And no I would never have surrendered a core part of my very being for a reality show and have eaten the chicken wings.

 

Not everyone is a Vegan for the same reasons. Our son was Vegan, but it was 100% health/diet related. While he's not a hunter or anything, it wasn't about killing or not killing animals. He just felt healthier not eating anything animal-ish. He changed his diet about a year ago, and now will also eat seafood (fish, shrimp, etc). But that's it. Not a religion, just a health nut.

I also think it's easy to say "I would never have surrendered a core part of my very being for a reality show and have eaten the chicken wings" when you're sitting at home. Try not eating for two weeks and see how you feel. I got the distinct impression Kyle really really didn't want to do it, but when asked why later, he simply said "I'm hungry".

Hungry people do a lot of things they normally wouldn't do.

[Nashville]

40 minutes ago, astrohip said:

I also think it's easy to say "I would never have surrendered a core part of my very being for a reality show and have eaten the chicken wings" when you're sitting at home. Try not eating for two weeks and see how you feel. I got the distinct impression Kyle really really didn't want to do it, but when asked why later, he simply said "I'm hungry".

This was my thought as well; meat is concentrated complete proteins, dietarily speaking, and provides more of an ounce-for-ounce nutritional bang for your buck than do vegetables.  No need for Kyle to apologize for listening to what his body needed in the moment - especially when the alternative was to simply dispose of already-prepared food.

Edited November 9 by Nashville

[Scatterbrained]

3 hours ago, PhoneCop said:

Heh. according to the Stats page on Inside Survivor, "In the last four seasons with an auction, the player that won the margarita was voted out in the same episode." Jefra (Cagayan), Jenn (Worlds Apart), Kellie (45), and now Sierra. Margarita Curse!

Don't drink and Survivor, I guess.

Remember the old car curse?  It has transformed!

[Diana Berry]

The Andy formerly known as Andy and his beautiful teeth and gorgeous hair live to see another day. 

[Skooma]

10 hours ago, astrohip said:

I also think it's easy to say "I would never have surrendered a core part of my very being for a reality show and have eaten the chicken wings" when you're sitting at home.

And I think it is pretty easy not to know me and then go and guess how uncommitted to my deep values I would be.  No I would not have eaten the chicken.  Period.

[suebee18]

I thought Kyle said in the episode, at the point when he got the wings, that he chose vegetarianism to be ready for Survivor and the lack of food.

[JudyObscure]

2 hours ago, Skooma said:

And I think it is pretty easy not to know me and then go and guess how uncommitted to my deep values I would be.  No I would not have eaten the chicken.  Period.

I believe you 100%.  As said, people are Vegans for all different reasons and if it just makes you feel good, fine, but for those who do it for deeper reasons those values don't change due to temporary circumstances.

Whole cultures are vegetarian and live long healthy lives without animal protein. Kyle has been vegetarian or vegan for a long time while working as a construction worker,  his physical needs didn't suddenly change just because he's on Survivor.

  I know the carrots and celery wouldn't have provided many calories but that half cup of dip would have given him such much needed fat and around 600 calories.

 

 

13 hours ago, astrohip said:

Try not eating for two weeks and see how you feel. 

I've fasted for days  on nothing but water many times, I know how hunger feels. I said up front that I don't blame Kyle, but that I think he'll be disappointed in himself.  That is all.

[JudyObscure]

10 minutes ago, suebee18 said:

I thought Kyle said in the episode, at the point when he got the wings, that he chose vegetarianism to be ready for Survivor and the lack of food.

He said he went from vegan to vegetarian to prepare for Survivor. Meaning he went from eating no animals or animal products, to simply no animals but allowing animal products.

In other words he had added back in cheese, milk , yogurt, and eggs so that his rules wouldn't be so strict while on Survivor.  If he had got the macaroni and cheese he could have eaten it.

[Jobiska]

16 hours ago, Scatterbrained said:

Remember the old car curse?  It has transformed!

Cargarita!

I said ewwww when Jeff, in the bumper "wanna be on Survivor?," stuck his finger in the PB that the three players had been digging into with their grubby paws.  

[ljenkins782]

On 11/9/2024 at 6:10 PM, Nashville said:

This was my thought as well; meat is concentrated complete proteins, dietarily speaking, and provides more of an ounce-for-ounce nutritional bang for your buck than do vegetables.  No need for Kyle to apologize for listening to what his body needed in the moment - especially when the alternative was to simply dispose of already-prepared food.

Besides the issue of the meat itself, I was more concerned about how buffalo wings would sit in a stomach that hasn't had much to eat in weeks. I get sick from buffalo wings at the best of times, especially if they're too spicy, but on empty stomach it would be so much worse.

Same with that plate of sweets, that just looks like a sugar crash/stomachache waiting to happen. Perhaps it's just a lifetime of stomach issues clouding my judgment, but I just saw nothing but diarrhea in their futures in that auction, lol.

Did Jeff answer the question of whether Andy was eligible to share in the peanut butter item? Also, I hope someone asks him at some point how he missed every single roll of money. At some point, I felt like it was purposeful, like he needed a little attention and that was yet another way to get it. 

[Skooma]

13 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

He said he went from vegan to vegetarian to prepare for Survivor. Meaning he went from eating no animals or animal products, to simply no animals but allowing animal products.

In other words he had added back in cheese, milk , yogurt, and eggs so that his rules wouldn't be so strict while on Survivor.  If he had got the macaroni and cheese he could have eaten it.

Yeah that is a common definition but some vegetarians like me also don;t eat eggs.  Just add the dairy products on top of the vegan diet.

The person above that added fish would be called a pescatarian.  So many types.

[GenerationX]

On 11/8/2024 at 7:55 AM, Gummo said:

Does anyone else think the immunity necklace look like something they found at the bottom of the $1 bin at a pop-up Halloween store? I mean, cheap & tacky is one thing, but ... come on! I know it's season 47 or whatever, but make an effort, prop people!

We're calling it the Bat Bib at our house.

[HappyDancex2]

I dislike all of the hidden immunity idols.  Pretty much when you find those things in the wild they go straight into the unwashed nether regions of the men or women or the cleaner option of the unwashed chesticle region of the women.  Either way everyone loses LOL.  Especially when they kiss the idol my squoink meter shoots up.

[lh25]

On 11/8/2024 at 3:16 AM, Chicago Redshirt said:

And yes, it was a pretty dumb omission, assuming Sierra had the choice. Even if they were not supposedly allies, to show sympathy as a human being for someone who didn't get to partake in any of the food, and to procure him as a potential jury vote,

I don't really have a lot of sympathy for Andy not having money and not getting any food.  He walked right by multiple containers of money and just wasn't looking well.  From a strategical standpoint, it would have been smart, but then anyone she picked would be in the same "debt" to her for lack of a better word. 

[ljenkins782]

3 hours ago, lh25 said:

I don't really have a lot of sympathy for Andy not having money and not getting any food.  He walked right by multiple containers of money and just wasn't looking well.  From a strategical standpoint, it would have been smart, but then anyone she picked would be in the same "debt" to her for lack of a better word. 

I just don't believe that he truly didn't see any of them. He's so committed to being a "character" that I think he decided it would make a better story if he managed to show up with zero. 

Either that or he thought someone would share theirs with him, his sorrowful little "I can't find any, I know you found a lot" to someone during the hunt suggested that maybe he figured he could take the pity route and get someone else to do the work for him. 

[Nashville]

21 hours ago, GenerationX said:

We're calling it the Bat Bib at our house.

My first thought when I saw this season’s individual immunity necklaces was, “Did they pick up Bacardi as a sponsor or something…?”

[Gummo]

17 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

He's so committed to being a "character" that I think he decided it would make a better story if he managed to show up with zero. 

Or he's just a feckless dumbass.

[SummerDreams]

I don't know why people keep that hate towards Andy for a bad moment he had on episode 1. It's a stressgul situation and him being insecure doesn't help, but seeing that people speak and think so badly for him, it's sad. I mean, he is a young person, cut him some slack please.

[Nashville]

41 minutes ago, Gummo said:

Or he's just a feckless dumbass.

Yaknow - if you sing “Feckless Dumbass” to the tune of “Davy Crockett”, it doesn’t sound half bad….  😁

“Feckless - Feckless Dumbass

King of the wild frontier….”

[momlyd]

On 11/8/2024 at 5:04 PM, astrohip said:

a French frIdol

LOL - that's awesome!

 

[ljenkins782]

48 minutes ago, SummerDreams said:

I don't know why people keep that hate towards Andy for a bad moment he had on episode 1. It's a stressgul situation and him being insecure doesn't help, but seeing that people speak and think so badly for him, it's sad. I mean, he is a young person, cut him some slack please.

They're all young, except for "45" year old Sue. And Andy didn't have a singular bad moment, he's had a string of them. 

[Kenzie]

2 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

he is a young person

He's 31, that's 13 years into adulthood.

 I do believe he's learned to use his differentness at times to get advantages from kind people.

[SummerDreams]

Still, no need for this hate in my opinion.

[ljenkins782]

49 minutes ago, Kenzie said:

He's 31, that's 13 years into adulthood.

 I do believe he's learned to use his differentness at times to get advantages from kind people.

100%. Wounded bird syndrome has clearly gotten him special treatment in the past and he's sticking with it. 

And oof, he's 31??? I would have guessed 22 max from the behavior.

[Rodney]

4 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

I don't know why people keep that hate towards Andy for a bad moment he had on episode 1. It's a stressgul situation and him being insecure doesn't help, but seeing that people speak and think so badly for him, it's sad. I mean, he is a young person, cut him some slack please.

I'm cutting him none, and that's my choice to cut him none, because he did it largely for attention.  He had insecurities over nothing but pure paranoia.  That's not something for which he deserves sympathy.

Everybody signed up for this experience.  He's no different from the others.  They all signed up for this experience and handled the situation and environment like champs.  I'm not going to cut him slack for being the only one who didn't.  And honestly, neither should anybody else.

1 hour ago, SummerDreams said:

Still, no need for this hate in my opinion.

And in mine, there is.

[blackwing]

On 11/10/2024 at 5:33 PM, ljenkins782 said:

Did Jeff answer the question of whether Andy was eligible to share in the peanut butter item? 

Sierra did.  She said she could have chosen him but didn't even think about him.  She immediately chose Gabe and Caroline because they got bad mystery items.

On 11/10/2024 at 10:12 PM, HappyDancex2 said:

I dislike all of the hidden immunity idols.  Pretty much when you find those things in the wild they go straight into the unwashed nether regions of the men or women or the cleaner option of the unwashed chesticle region of the women.  Either way everyone loses LOL.  Especially when they kiss the idol my squoink meter shoots up.

I think they wash every day.  Or at least go in the water.  In the early days of Survivor, it seems they used to dig a hole and defecate in the jungle.  I distinctly remember that during one season, the reward was an outhouse and toilet paper.  Maybe Amazon?

Nowadays, everyone dumps in the ocean.  The season with Mike Holloway, there was an older larger man was in the ocean taking a dump and he purposely lost his undershorts for laughs.

When did hidden immunity idols start appearing?  Maybe when those started showing up, people starting using the ocean as a toilet, lest someone dig up a freshly dug hole in the jungle looking for an idol but instead have an unpleasant encounter with someone's droppings.

 

5 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

I don't know why people keep that hate towards Andy for a bad moment he had on episode 1. It's a stressgul situation and him being insecure doesn't help, but seeing that people speak and think so badly for him, it's sad. I mean, he is a young person, cut him some slack please.

2 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

Still, no need for this hate in my opinion.

Maybe in your opinion he should be cut some slack.  I don't think he should be given any.  And I'm going to hate him plenty.  It's not just the "no one cheered for me when I opened a coconut" moment.  It's lots of moments.  It's the general incompetence and cluelessness and the way he has generally just sadsacked his way through the game.

He's not that young of a person.  He's 31.  He definitely has social issues and admitted that he has had them since he was a child.  In a secret scene when they had the schoolyard pick, he was picked last and he lamented that it was like school all over again.  Well, what did he expect?  He has proven time and again that he is laughably incompetent in the challenges, why would he think anyone would want him on their team?

I just don't care for all the attention given to Andy by the show.  It's like the show recognises that he is special and that they need to prop him up to make him feel good about himself.  Survivor doesn't need to be a place where you go so you can "find yourself".

[JudyObscure]

18 hours ago, Rodney said:

They all signed up for this experience and handled the situation and environment like champs

That made me think through the cast and I remembered that my first impression of Teeny ("You're all probably wondering about my pants,") was that she was childish and wouldn't last long.  She's completely proved me wrong. Everyone seems to like her and she appears to be on top of what's going on.  She's also getting prettier every day!

{I was going to go back and change all my she's to they's but I don't think Teeny is insisting on that in the game.}