Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Affogato]

8 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'll be honest here, this is not going to matter, so there is no need to waste any energy on this. This is political theater pure and simple. My undergraduate degree is in history, and I know some history teachers. The thing about history is that it has to be taught in chronological order, and 500+ years is a lot to cover in 180ish days. That article links the curriculum in question, you should read it. The American history section starts on page 103 and goes to page 118. It covers a lot of topics, and I cannot see any competent teacher hitting all of the bullet points especially the last 2 pages. Because good history teachers are flexible and take the necessary time to build upon their lessons. Some topics gets skipped based on the flow of any particular class. Others get discussed more fully especially in a place like Oklahoma with it's Indigenous population, and this curriculum allows for them to do this.

There's also no way to make any topic mandatory in public schools. What are these lawmakers going to do, craft a statewide US history final exam? This particular topic would be 2 questions max in the multiple choice section. It would be so easy for a bunch of students to luck into getting the question right or get it wrong because they were not paying attention in class on that day. Maybe make it an essay question, but that's not what they truly want here. Essays written by students who care and had competent history teachers would eviscerate the conspiracy theory. I really just need to copy and paste part of the curriculum that would make this happen--

USH.3.2 Apply critical reading and thinking skills to interpret, evaluate, and respond to a variety of complex
texts and perspectives.
A. Evaluate the extent to which historical or cultural perspectives affect an author’s stated or implied
purpose.
B. Evaluate the author’s point of view, potential bias, and how authors can reach different conclusions
regarding the same issue

I’d hink they would pressure the teachers and jobs would be dependent on teaching things that the kids can be quizzed in. So, yes, a teacher could avoid it without doing anything they wouldn’t normally do, but I would bet they would get fired. Also I think this was social studies. 

[StatisticalOutlier]

49 minutes ago, fastiller said:

What's this you say about 'race to the bottom'?

Heh.  For years, I've had way too many opportunities to say, "Texas and Florida: race for the bottom."  

And sure enough, I'm in California right now and the local news (Bakersfield) had a story about banning gas leaf blowers, and at the end it said that Texas and Florida have banned laws that restrict a person's right to a gas leaf blower.

[PRgal]

5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Your cousin may yet have a neurodivergent person come into her life in such a way that they will change her perspective.🤞
Maybe a sweet friend of one of her kids?
I still truly can't abandon my ideas that my sister's troubles are performative rather than something else, but if it was someone with whom I did not have ingrained habits of thinking about, well, that's just different.

As for the politicians who have power to pull the strings, I would love to see one have an epiphany that would catch on like wildfire.

I don't think she's a fan of people who divert away from what's considered "normal."  She'd probably vote Conservative if she lived in Canada.  I feel badly if any of her children are LGBTQ++.  

[Lugal]

37 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

There's also no way to make any topic mandatory in public schools. What are these lawmakers going to do, craft a statewide US history final exam? This particular topic would be 2 questions max in the multiple choice section. It would be so easy for a bunch of students to luck into getting the question right or get it wrong because they were not paying attention in class on that day. Maybe make it an essay question, but that's not what they truly want here. Essays written by students who care and had competent history teachers would eviscerate the conspiracy theory. I really just need to copy and paste part of the curriculum that would make this happen--

That's what I was wondering since most schools set the curriculum at the local level.  Curious I looked it up and Oklahoma is a state that allows the local districts to set the curriculum.

[Ohiopirate02]

29 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

And let's face it. Any history teacher or civics teacher who believes the 2020 election was stolen is probably going to teach that anyways.

If Oklahoma was serious about teaching this concept, then they would have put the 2020 election conspiracy in the American government curriculum and not the history one. That would have given them more time to devote to the topic and have it not be just one of the 80 bullet points a teacher is supposed to cover in one school year. I went back and looked again, and the history curriculum in question begins during Reconstruction so the class has to cover 1860s-2020s which is still a shitload of time to cram into one school year. Teachers have to cover Reconstruction, Jim Crow, the continued industrial revolution, westward expansion, the Gilded Age, World War I, the 1920s, the Great Depression, World War II, the Cold War, Vietnam, the Civil Rights movement, the sexual revolution, Watergate, Reaganomics, the Gulf War, Sept 11th, the War on Terror, etc. before getting to the 2020 election.

[tres bien]

Trump proving he’s nothing more then a petty hateful man child has gone after Harvard again

He’s got his ever obedient DOJ looking at more ways to punish the Unversity including expanding investigations into Harvard’s administrative policies or cutting money to medical institutions affiliated with Harvard

”We haven’t scratched the surface” said one aide

Trump is big mad because Harvard isn’t acting like adults and having a conversation with him.

That’s code for they won’t do what I demand 

Edited Monday at 09:39 PM by tres bien

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Trump proving he’s nothing more then a petty hateful man child has gone after Harvard again

He’s got his ever obedient DOJ looking at more ways to punish the Unversity including expanding investigations into Harvard’s administrative policies or cutting money to medical institutions affiliated with Harvard

”We haven’t scratched the surface” said one aide

Trump is big mad because Harvard isn’t acting like adults and having a conversation with him.

That’s code for they won’t do what I demand 

I think they're very much acting like adults. Trump, as per his usual MO is acting like a petulant toddler.

[Bliss]

Just finished watching our prime minister and Canadian premiers discussing their meeting today and for the first time in months (since tacoRump was elected), I'm filled with pride and hope. Wow. What a positive power force we have here. Elbows up! Canada strong! 

A couple of premiers even thanked tRump for his bullyish threats - his way of being such a fucking jerk has sparked us in a way we've never experienced before.

Too bad the felon doesn't "LISTEN" the way Carney does. I swear that's the secret to being a truly great leader - assuming there's a brain between the ears (and Carney is super intelligent).

There was a report in the news today from Europe that USA has dropped from a positive number (something like close to 20 out of 20) in a trust survey to a NEGATIVE number... -8.8! All due to the felon in the White House.

I really feel sorry for y'all down there in tacoland.

[shapeshifter]

4 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I'll be honest here, this is not going to matter, so there is no need to waste any energy on this. This is political theater pure and simple. My undergraduate degree is in history, and I know some history teachers. The thing about history is that it has to be taught in chronological order, and 500+ years is a lot to cover in 180ish days. That article links the curriculum in question, you should read it. The American history section starts on page 103 and goes to page 118. It covers a lot of topics, and I cannot see any competent teacher hitting all of the bullet points especially the last 2 pages. Because good history teachers are flexible and take the necessary time to build upon their lessons. Some topics gets skipped based on the flow of any particular class. Others get discussed more fully especially in a place like Oklahoma with it's Indigenous population, and this curriculum allows for them to do this.

There's also no way to make any topic mandatory in public schools. What are these lawmakers going to do, craft a statewide US history final exam? This particular topic would be 2 questions max in the multiple choice section. It would be so easy for a bunch of students to luck into getting the question right or get it wrong because they were not paying attention in class on that day. Maybe make it an essay question, but that's not what they truly want here. Essays written by students who care and had competent history teachers would eviscerate the conspiracy theory. I really just need to copy and paste part of the curriculum that would make this happen--

USH.3.2 Apply critical reading and thinking skills to interpret, evaluate, and respond to a variety of complex
texts and perspectives.
A. Evaluate the extent to which historical or cultural perspectives affect an author’s stated or implied
purpose.
B. Evaluate the author’s point of view, potential bias, and how authors can reach different conclusions
regarding the same issue

In addition, in my mind I am playing out a scenario in which a tween or teen student presents a report on the 2020 election in front of the class and they all have an epiphany. FF 10 years and the new crop of voters returns sanity to government.

[annzeepark914]

Have you all been following the news about agents shackling a Congressional staffer in Jerry Nadler's district office in NYC? These masked "agents" are out of control, telling people they don't need warrants or need to identify themselves. This is getting to be more like Russia every day.

[Annber03]

2 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Have you all been following the news about agents shackling a Congressional staffer in Jerry Nadler's district office in NYC? These masked "agents" are out of control, telling people they don't need warrants or need to identify themselves. This is getting to be more like Russia every day.

But remember, we just need to quit worrying so much all the itme. 

[EtheltoTillie]

13 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

Have you all been following the news about agents shackling a Congressional staffer in Jerry Nadler's district office in NYC? These masked "agents" are out of control, telling people they don't need warrants or need to identify themselves. This is getting to be more like Russia every day.

Nadler is my rep. We’ve been following this. 

[Notabug]

On 5/31/2025 at 2:52 AM, Soapy Goddess said:

. And the majority of people that died had underlying conditions.

 

Yes, like pregnancy. I am an OB/GYN and, just before vaccines became available, a 23 year old pregnant patient in my practice died after 3 weeks of hell in the ICU.  Her baby was delivered prematurely and didn't survive, either.  If only she had known a pandemic was coming before she conceived. Or terminated it when COVID arrived.  And, now, despite ample scientific evidence that pregnant women are far more susceptible to complications including death, the recommendation that they be immunized against COVID has been rescinded.   This doesn't mean pregnant women won't be able to get the vaccine, just that third party payors like insurance companies and Medicaid will not be required to pay for it which will obviously be a major issue for many women.

I also work with a nurse who just spent the past 5 years on dialysis after her kidneys failed due to COVID.  Her 'underlying conditions'?  She was overweight and African American.  Obviously, she was asking for it.  She did lose quite a bit of weight while on dialysis waiting for a transplant which finally came this past spring.  I think she's kinda stuck with the African American 'underlying condition' though.

Edited Tuesday at 10:08 AM by Notabug

[Kemper]

I was doing FaceTime with my adult son when he showed me the newest trading card....The Pope. Yes. It has been issued by Topps; I think that is one of the big sports card companies. A few in my family collect baseball cards (Mr.Kemper got our son started).  I must admit I was truly shocked. But...

I have to admit that I laughed pretty hard. To me, it is not an insult to The Pope or the church. It is simply an example of Capitalism being everywhere. I then texted some of the Irish cousins - they laughed, too. And most are practicing Catholics. I guess nowadays, we are used to being shocked on a daily basis. Seriously shocked. So - Pope on a Trading Card? Peace out.

[Bookworm 1979]

7 hours ago, PRgal said:

I don't think she's a fan of people who divert away from what's considered "normal."  She'd probably vote Conservative if she lived in Canada.  I feel badly if any of her children are LGBTQ++.  

I have a cousin who is Maple Maga. I always knew he was conservative, and I suspected that he liked Trump, but my aunt (his mom) confirmed it a few weeks ago when she said she refuses to discuss politics with him. He has a trans son and an autistic son. The whole situation just makes me sad. 

[ProudMary]

1 hour ago, Kemper said:

I was doing FaceTime with my adult son when he showed me the newest trading card....The Pope. Yes. It has been issued by Topps; I think that is one of the big sports card companies.

I haven't seen it yet. I hope Topps ditched the mitre and has him wearing a White Sox cap!

I wonder what his stats look like on the back of the card. 😄

[Soapy Goddess]

I hope your magic wand gives you the satisfaction you need to sleep at night. Sorry the others will never understand.

Edited Tuesday at 04:25 AM by Soapy Goddess

[heatherchandler]

On 5/31/2025 at 4:21 AM, Annber03 said:

 

Trump fucking suggested injecting bleach as a solution to the pandemic, for god's sakes. Remember that?

No he didn’t.  Is this misinformation really still out there?  He said, “And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”

If you understood that to mean that you should inject bleach then I don’t know what to say.

He did push for the vaccine.  
 

On 5/31/2025 at 3:32 PM, tres bien said:

Bad news for the Jake Tapper 

After being all over the cable news networks yapping about his book for two weeks and nonstop schilling by CNN allowing him to criticize President Biden Jake Tapper’s book is a bust

He’s been carrying on incessantly with few quoted sources that Biden was incompetent during his presidency 

In the first week of it’s release the book sold 53,737 copies or about 1/10th of the viewers of his show 

In comparison Bob Woodward’s book “Fear: Trump in the White House” sold 1.1 million copies in it’s first week when released in September 2018

His book is the NYTimes #1 best seller this week.  Is that considered a bust?
 

On 6/1/2025 at 3:13 PM, tres bien said:

Thank you Poland

👊🇵🇱🔥

In today’s presidential elections exit polls project that pro EU candidate Rafael Trzaskowski has defeated Trump-backed nationalist candidate Karol Nawroki

Trump invited Nawroki to the Oval Office and sent Kristi Noem to Poland days before the election to urge Poles to vote for him

Ahh so much winning 🤣

Karol won.  

I just had to pop in and say that I feel for SoapyGoddess, she’s just trying to keep dialog open.  There’s no need to bash her constantly.  It’s such a gang up.  Coming from the party of “kindness.”

 

 

22 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I just wanted to respond to this because I tend to see everything from a personality theory angle and this matches up in some ways with what I have been seeing myself about the personality differences between conservatives and liberals. It reminds me of Temperament Theory which is based on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, which is based on Jungian Personality Type Theory.

David Keirsey divided up the 16 MBTI Types into 4 general groups, put together in those 4 categories because they share one essential dominant aspect of Personality, which he described as their general Temperament. The 4 Temperaments are called Rational (Intuitive Thinking), Idealist (Intuitive Feeling), Artisan (Sensing Perceiving) and Guardian (Sensing Judging). 

The research above seems to align generally with Liberals being most similar to an Idealist Temperament while Conservatives are more similar to a Guardian Temperament. As Intuitives, Idealists seek the novel, the possible and are future oriented. They are open to growth and change and are motivated primarily by their highly ethical ideals. Meanwhile Guardians seek security and what is trusted and known through experience, and are present and/or past-oriented. As predominant Sensors, they are grounded in the world of the senses and seek to preserve tradition and history and are not quite as motivated by general and "nebulous" things like lofty ideals. 

I think the similarities are pretty obvious here. That's not to say that all Conservatives are Guardians by Temperament or that all Liberals are Idealists but perhaps when applied to politics people can draw upon different aspects of their personalities. But anyway I would bet that if a study were done on MBTI Type and political leanings, a larger number of Idealists (INFP, ENFP, INFJ, ENFJ) would land in the Liberal camp and a larger number of Guardians (ISFJ, ISTJ, ESFJ, ESTJ) would land in the Conservative camp. Just based on my experience with people of both political persuasions their Temperaments do tend to roughly match their political leanings, although Feeling types of all kinds tend to be more liberal in general thanks to their empathy. As far as Artisans (SP) and Rationals (NT) go I see it as more of a mixed bag with more Feeling type Artisans (ESFP and ISFP) being more likely to lean more liberal and More Judging Type Rationals (INTJ and ENTJ) as leaning more conservative. At least that's my theory, anyway! It would be interesting to know if there is any real correlation here. I'll have to check into it.

At any rate this is food for thought and it may help us to understand people coming from a conservative perspective. I think some of the disconnect here in talking with Conservatives or just Republicans in general has something to do with contrasting Temperaments. Most of us here are speaking the same language. We come from the same general personality landscape and it can be challenging to engage in certain kinds of discussions with people not from that perspective. I would bet that most Republicans are not the kind of idealists that many of us here are. Most would probably be more correctly called pragmatists and are not as comfortable talking about things in broad generalities. It can make for some difficulties in communicating effectively.

Anyway that's it for now!

That’s very interesting and makes a lot of sense.  I think this is so true.  It is not intelligence, lack of intelligence or “evil” it’s more personality type differences.  Maybe if more people thought about it this way there would be less hate.

[heatherchandler]

I also have to say that sometimes Trump slashing budgets and needless research has a really good outcome that everyone can be happy about-

https://iheartdogs.com/navy-ends-testing-on-dogs-and-cats-2025/

 

And I don’t know if this is Trump’s doing but I think all  can celebrate this-

https://www.speciesunite.com/news-stories/harvards-infant-macaque-experiments-defunded-after-years-of-public-outrage

[ebk57]

1 hour ago, ProudMary said:

I haven't seen it yet. I hope Topps ditched the mitre and has him wearing a White Sox cap!

I wonder what his stats look like on the back of the card. 😄

Here's the card - it's sold out!  I at first thought there were 2 cards, but perhaps it's just one with pictures on each side. No Sox cap and no stats.  Ah well... 

https://www.topps.com/products/pope-leo-xiv-2025-topps-now®-card-pope

Edited Tuesday at 05:18 AM by ebk57
I should read the source material before posting

[ProudMary]

8 minutes ago, ebk57 said:

Here's the card - it's sold out!  I at first thought there were 2 cards, but perhaps it's just one with pictures on each side. No Sox cap and no stats.  Ah well... 

Drat! I hope some Photoshop-talented people will rectify that.

[Gemma Violet]

1 hour ago, heatherchandler said:

No he didn’t.  Is this misinformation really still out there?  He said, “And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?”

If you understood that to mean that you should inject bleach then I don’t know what to say.

You're right in that he didn't say 'bleach,' but he did say 'disinfectant.'  The exact quote was (bolding mine):

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?"

Whether he said 'bleach' or 'disinfectant' is not important.  Neither one should be injected into the human body.

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:58 AM by Gemma Violet

[MomCat]

This post is for @Dimity. Soapy Goddess has decided to leave this thread for now but she wanted you to know that she wasn't ignoring your questions, it's just that her answers keep disappearing.

[anony.miss]

3 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

she’s just trying to keep dialog open.

If that was the goal, Soapy posting a sexist meme about Kamala Harris suffering from 'laughing hyena syndrome' was the exact opposite of "trying to keep dialog open".

And yes,  I'm aware (and constantly remind myself) that between Project 2025 and Trump's history of sexually criminal behaviour,  misogyny is not an issue for many of his voters. And that is (however disturbing to me) their right. But having read this forum for months it's pretty clear that most of the people posting here  - whether Dem, Independent, Progressive, American, Canadian, etc -  find sexual assault and misogyny deeply troubling, and are not interested in wading through that kind of content. 

We've never had a forum like this is any previous iteration of the site, and I'm grateful it's here - hopefully anyone unhappy with this place will find another forum more suited to the kind of conversation they want to have.

Edited Tuesday at 07:52 AM by anony.miss

[anony.miss]

4 hours ago, ProudMary said:

 

I wonder what his stats look like on the back of the card. 😄

Pope Leo has a great RBI (Religious Benedictions & Intercessions ; )

Edited Tuesday at 08:25 AM by anony.miss

[Notabug]

5 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I also have to say that sometimes Trump slashing budgets and needless research has a really good outcome that everyone can be happy about-

https://iheartdogs.com/navy-ends-testing-on-dogs-and-cats-2025/

Interesting information, thanks for the link.  Do you have any links to more in-depth discussion as to what projects the Navy was specifically doing with animal testing and how they will now move forward to re-jigger that research so it can continue without animal subjects?  Or, is it that the Navy is simply shutting down the research because DOGE declared it unnecessary and removed funding as has happened with so much other government funded research? Pardon me for being a sceptic, but I really haven't seen much evidence that Mr. Trump is any sort of an advocate for animal rights, surely his fur wearing wife and game hunting kids aren't; and it feels to me like maybe this is more MAGA spin to distract from the real purpose for ending the research.  As you know, the article itself was from an animal rights group.

I am happy for the dogs and cates anyway, just concerned that important research may be shelved.

 

 

[DrSpaceman73]

9 hours ago, Notabug said:

Yes, like pregnancy. I am an OB/GYN and, just before vaccines became available, a 23 year old pregnant patient in my practice died after 3 weeks of hell in the ICU.  Her baby was delivered prematurely and didn't survive, either.  If only she had known a pandemic was coming before she conceived. Or terminated it when COVID arrived.  And, now, despite ample scientific evidence that pregnant women are far more susceptible to complications including death, the recommendation that they be immunized against COVID has been rescinded.   This doesn't mean pregnant women won't be able to get the vaccine, just that third party payors like insurance companies and Medicaid will not be required to pay for it which will obviously be a major issue for many women.

I also work with a nurse who just spent the past 5 years on dialysis after her kidneys failed due to COVID.  Her 'underlying conditions'?  She was overweight and African American.  Obviously, she was asking for it.  She did lose quite a bit of weight while on dialysis waiting for a transplant which finally came this past spring.  I think she's kinda stuck with the African American 'underlying condition' though.

Well we all die some time.....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/02/joni-ernst-medicaid-video

 

 

[Mollywolly555]

Re:Myers Briggs.

I love MB for enlightening me on different types of personalities/approaches to life.

However, I'm an INTJ, AND a bleeding heart liberal, believe in the Constitution, climate change, feminism, and pro-choice. As a former teacher, I saw the benefits of social programs to combat the  drawbacks of poverty,  gerrymandering, racism, misogyny, and class oppression.

Your description says I should be a Conservative. 

[Kemper]

8 hours ago, ProudMary said:

I haven't seen it yet. I hope Topps ditched the mitre and has him wearing a White Sox cap!

I wonder what his stats look like on the back of the card. 😄

Funny you should mention the stats. I am thinking of a missed opportunity on the part of Topps. They should make more cards. Cardinals, Bishiops, scandalous Popes...maybe even Rasputin. Let the trading begin!

[Ohiopirate02]

5 hours ago, anony.miss said:

If that was the goal, Soapy posting a sexist meme about Kamala Harris suffering from 'laughing hyena syndrome' was the exact opposite of "trying to keep dialog open".

And yes,  I'm aware (and constantly remind myself) that between Project 2025 and Trump's history of sexually criminal behaviour,  misogyny is not an issue for many of his voters. And that is (however disturbing to me) their right. But having read this forum for months it's pretty clear that most of the people posting here  - whether Dem, Independent, Progressive, American, Canadian, etc -  find sexual assault and misogyny deeply troubling, and are not interested in wading through that kind of content. 

We've never had a forum like this is any previous iteration of the site, and I'm grateful it's here - hopefully anyone unhappy with this place will find another forum more suited to the kind of conversation they want to have.

And it's not that difficult to be civil to fellow posters, nor is it difficult to not use dehumanizing language when talking about different groups of people. This thread is over 300 pages long, it appears many of us can follow these simple rules.

[Mollywolly555]

I agree, Ohiopirate.

I was wondering what was in those posts that were deemed unacceptable or not following the rules of respect or decency to other posters. 

Or was it blatant untruths?

Or was it claims without supporting references, or references from questionable sources?

Just curious, which brings up a question I cannot answer: Is there any Trump supporter, journalist or pundit who is deemed credible in the media? 

By credible, I mean a conservative who follows anything akin to my questions above, (using facts, credible references, civility, decency) or a conservative who can dialogue within something like the parameters/rules of this thread?

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 12:59 PM by Mollywolly555

[bluegirl147]

6 hours ago, anony.miss said:

We've never had a forum like this is any previous iteration of the site, and I'm grateful it's here - hopefully anyone unhappy with this place will find another forum more suited to the kind of conversation they want to have.

I don't live in an echo chamber but I know to avoid some sites or FB pages because I'm not going to feel comfortable there. I don't have a problem having a civil debate with someone but I'm not going to engage with anyone who is nasty and obnoxious.

9 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I also have to say that sometimes Trump slashing budgets and needless research has a really good outcome that everyone can be happy about-

https://iheartdogs.com/navy-ends-testing-on-dogs-and-cats-2025/

 

And I don’t know if this is Trump’s doing but I think all  can celebrate this-

https://www.speciesunite.com/news-stories/harvards-infant-macaque-experiments-defunded-after-years-of-public-outrage

Those things don't make up for all the bad things that will and are happening because of his slashing of budgets.

9 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

He did push for the vaccine.

Until his MAGA base let him know how they felt about the vaccine and then he stopped talking about it.

9 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

 It is not intelligence, lack of intelligence or “evil” it’s more personality type differences.  Maybe if more people thought about it this way there would be less hate.

For some maybe but this partisan divide is more than personality differences. It was one thing when Trump was   in the private sector.  His "personality" didn't cause markets to drop and rebound due to his whims. His "personality" didn't inspire people to storm our Capitol.  Trump is the one who repeatedly says Democrats/Liberals/anyone who doesn't support him is the enemy.  That isn't is a personality quirk. That is a dangerous psychological problem. And this country is worse off because of it.

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:20 PM by bluegirl147

[lookeyloo]

Question - don't know where to put it. 

Can someone use two computers and have two screen names and post as two separate people?

Another question - if someone is banned, can they get back on with another screen name?  And do the mods check the computer that request is coming from? 

I'm just curious.  I am the real lookeyloo only posting once and haven't been banned.  I hope never to be.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Mollywolly555 said:

Re:Myers Briggs.

I love MB for enlightening me on different types of personalities/approaches to life.

However, I'm an INTJ, AND a bleeding heart liberal, believe in the Constitution, climate change, feminism, and pro-choice. As a former teacher, I saw the benefits of social programs to combat the  drawbacks of poverty,  gerrymandering, racism, misogyny, and class oppression.

Your description says I should be a Conservative. 

I don't think anyone should be anything, I just think that if statistics were done more INTJs might tend toward the conservative end of politics than the liberal end, especially among male INTJs. There is no one to one correspondence in this kind of thing and people are rarely ultra conservative or ultra liberal. People tend to fall in different places on a spectrum. And it's all about tendencies and percentages.

It also depends on the strength of each person's preference, which is not measured by Type tests. A person that tests as a thinking type may have a very developed feeling side for someone with that preference. And the tests don't account for that. Women especially tend to have more developed feeling sides, perhaps due to their socialization which in our society does not frown upon women experiencing and showing their feelings about things (and this is feeling in the type sense which is more like values, not just "emotion") while it does still tend to socialize men not to develop that side of them as much. So that may be one of the factors not accounted for in Type tests that can change things.

I know this is based on a small group but in my experience a lot of the INTJ men I have known have been conservatives. Some are very fact and science-based people that probably would tend to think the MBTI was a bunch of "psychobabble" and "bunk" to begin with, lol. Meanwhile just about every INFJ I have ever known, male or female (me included) has been a Democrat. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:29 PM by Yeah No

[Notabug]

36 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Question - don't know where to put it. 

Can someone use two computers and have two screen names and post as two separate people?

Another question - if someone is banned, can they get back on with another screen name?  And do the mods check the computer that request is coming from? 

I'm just curious.  I am the real lookeyloo only posting once and haven't been banned.  I hope never to be.

Someone can register as many times as they like and get a different screen name each time. I believe that each account needs its own email address as that is how the site weeds out duplicates.  Don’t need two computers at all.  There are plenty of people who. Use different screen names to reply to their own posts and more than a few who know their posts are not within the rules of the site and keep another account at the ready in case they are banned so they can continue posting.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Mollywolly555 said:

I agree, Ohiopirate.

I was wondering what was in those posts that were deemed unacceptable or not following the rules of respect or decency to other posters. 

Or was it blatant untruths?

Or was it claims without supporting references, or references from questionable sources?

Based on some of the posts I saw before they vanished it was probably all of the above in different posts. Some of them were also over terminology like referring to transgender people by other names considered offensive. Although with regard to some of the posts I saw I am still scratching my head as to why they were removed. I'd like to know why they were removed myself.

[fastiller]

11 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Question - don't know where to put it. 

Can someone use two computers and have two screen names and post as two separate people?

Another question - if someone is banned, can they get back on with another screen name?  And do the mods check the computer that request is coming from? 

I'm just curious.  I am the real lookeyloo only posting once and haven't been banned.  I hope never to be.

 

10 hours ago, Notabug said:

Someone can register as many times as they like and get a different screen name each time. I believe that each account needs its own email address as that is how the site weeds out duplicates.  Don’t need two computers at all.  There are plenty of people who. Use different screen names to reply to their own posts and more than a few who know their posts are not within the rules of the site and keep another account at the ready in case they are banned so they can continue posting.

 

I think the site knows whether someone is logging in from the same ISP address.  Not that this necessarily means two user names can't use the same IP address/PC.

Also this: Dutch government collapses as Wilders’ far-right party leaves coalition

Edited Wednesday at 12:45 AM by fastiller

[Notabug]

1 minute ago, fastiller said:

 

 

I think the site knows whether someone is logging in from the same ISP address.  Not that this necessarily means two user names can't use the same ISP address/PC.

That’s the thing. There can be more than one member of a household who is registered and posting from the same ISP.

[tres bien]

Re the above posts

I’ve been on this site since it was TWOP and pre COVID I removed my account here. When I came back I re registered with a new screen name and had to use a different email address 

Enough of that. My actual point of this is that this week I did something I’ve never done before. I put posters on the ignore list 

 

[peacheslatour]

22 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Re the above posts

I’ve been on this site since it was TWOP and pre COVID I removed my account here. When I came back I re registered with a new screen name and had to use a different email address 

Enough of that. My actual point of this is that this week I did something I’ve never done before. I put posters on the ignore list 

 

I came here from TWoP as well and I only had one person on ignore from when I used to post in the Y&R forums because all they ever talked about was how much they hated one specific character. Now I have 3 or 4 because they're like Fox News bots. 

[fastiller]

Fellow TWoPper here.  Actually from the MBTV days.   It's been an interesting journey with the various incarnations.  (If this were TWoP, would this be considered 'boards on boards'?)

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, fastiller said:

 (If this were TWoP, would this be considered 'boards on boards'?)

I honestly have no idea what boards on boards even meant. All I know was that I saw it all the time and it made me scared to post anything. I was only ever a lurker on TWoP.

[peacheslatour]

2 minutes ago, fastiller said:

Fellow TWoPper here.  Actually from the MBTV days.   It's been an interesting journey with the various incarnations.  (If this were TWoP, would this be considered 'boards on boards'?)

When we used to be called Previously TV, the Y&R board came up with a nick name for ourselves. We called ourselves Preverts.

[bluegirl147]

Fellow TWOPer here and I posted a lot less there.  I got dinged a couple times for what I thought were nothing to get dinged for. One was saying "people can decide for themselves".  How is that problematic?  They had very strict rules and I don't think they ever really coherently explained them.

I don't have anyone on ignore.  I prefer to see which posters I disagree with. On another thread I was friendly with a poster until they posted something I completely disagreed with. Best to be informed.

 

[tres bien]

17 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Fellow TWOPer here and I posted a lot less there.  I got dinged a couple times for what I thought were nothing to get dinged for. One was saying "people can decide for themselves".  How is that problematic?  They had very strict rules and I don't think they ever really coherently explained them.

I don't have anyone on ignore.  I prefer to see which posters I disagree with. On another thread I was friendly with a poster until they posted something I completely disagreed with. Best to be informed.

 

ITA but this week I decided that I’m over that

Edited Tuesday at 04:59 PM by tres bien

[Affogato]

3 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Question - don't know where to put it. 

Can someone use two computers and have two screen names and post as two separate people?

Another question - if someone is banned, can they get back on with another screen name?  And do the mods check the computer that request is coming from? 

I'm just curious.  I am the real lookeyloo only posting once and haven't been banned.  I hope never to be.

It is the. Internet address and there are multiple ways to hide that from people. On Usenet I encountered one person who had a whole sock drawer filled with of puppets and they bickered and collaborated. It was an entire puppet play. 
 

i am considerably more tolerant of trolls and people I don’t agree with than, apparently most people. I don’t like the idea of messages disappearing and would prefer that at least a marker were left so I would know if censorship was happening. May be just me. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:01 PM by Affogato

[Yeah No]

I originally came from TWOP then all the other incarnations after it shut down like Previously.tv and MBTV.  I started here with another screen name but was suddenly banned in 2018 and I still don't really know why. I believe I was banned for defending a chef that appeared on a cooking competition that I happened to know in real life. Several posters were assuming the worst about him and posting those negative assumptions, which were horribly off-base, untrue and unfair based on my personal knowledge of him. I guess I must have tripped over a land mine doing that and it pissed off the board owner. People that knew the mod. wrote to them on my behalf and told me that even the mod. couldn't get me back on and that the board owner at that time forbid it. So I guess I must have pissed off the wrong person there. 

BTW, one of my best friend's daughter's fiancé is now studying under that chef and is one of his sous chefs at one of his restaurants. That chef is a great guy and someone I admire. And I don't feel bad about being removed for defending him!

[tessaray]

1 hour ago, fastiller said:

I think the site knows whether someone is logging in from the same ISP address.  Not that this necessarily means two user names can't use the same ISP address/PC.

Unless someone uses a vpn, that's true for all places we visit online. 

I think that's why I'm leary of AI. On it's own, it's still controversial but once all the  infrastructure is in place, once all those massive data centers are online, it will be absurdly easy to track everything. Right now it's not feasible to monitor everything - you have to focus on certain words or  groups of people or specific individuals. And with DOGE integrating the siloed data the government has... time to go shopping for my foil-lined hat. 

[kittykat]

35 minutes ago, fastiller said:

Fellow TWoPper here.  Actually from the MBTV days.   It's been an interesting journey with the various incarnations.  (If this were TWoP, would this be considered 'boards on boards'?)

I'm a Grandboardie as well from MBTV. I remember episode threads of the Amazing Race getting more heated than we do here.

I haven't ignored because I do believe in the importance of knowing different opinions. I don't judge anyone who has ignored because I know it's exhausting to argue with what seems like a brick wall.  Because of reading and listening I've modified many of my preconceived thoughts not because I'm weak and go with the herd but I because thought for myself.  

[Affogato]

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