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S19.E05: The Year Of Release


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3 hours ago, Dibs said:

Kody won't be getting another wife.  He's truly, deeply in love for the first time in his life with Robyn.  He THOUGHT he was or could be a polygamist, but after 30 years he wasn't; people change.

Please.  This is just Kody’s current narrative to cover up his bruised ego after the three OG’s left him.  He has always loved being a polygamist and still does.  While I’m sure he loves Robyn, he’s miserable in his monogamous life, estranged from the majority of his family.  He misses the status, the attention, the big family, all of it.  
 

5 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I don’t remember Kody saying anything about that, but the memory isn’t what it used to be. I do remember Janelle saying no to Gabe staying in Vegas though.

Kody definitely said that.  But you’re right - Janelle was against it, too.  I remember her saying that she “didn’t want to be separated from any of her kids.”  I thought it was a selfish POV, and I was disappointed. 

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16 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

I could have gone my whole life without knowing what an expelled placenta looks like.  That was just nasty.  And of course, Robyn ate hers and had to brag about it.  I thought they were both irresponsible saying it helped with PPD.  That's not cool.  At least the OG wives were suitably grossed out.

 

Meri gagging at the idea cracked me up.

Either Mykelti or Robyn noted that animals eat the placenta. If you let them, dogs will eat up their own vomit, ladies. And some dogs eat poop.

 

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I was bothered by the fact that Janelle failed to remember that Meri nursed Maddie for her when Maddie was failing to thrive.  I would think she would express some appreciation for that.

 

I think Janelle remembers. Previously, both Meri and Janelle talked on-screen about Meri nursing Maddie. If we remember after hearing it once, Janelle remembers. Meri mentioned nursing one of the other kids in a pretty vague way, too.

I think they both made a decision not to recount the details. Between this, Logan and Michelle's wedding er... "the event," and extra sparse mentions of Leon, I think some of the older kids may have laid down the law with the parents. They want mentions to be limited.

Now, Maddie's actually on the show sometimes, so that kind of throws a wrench in my theory. Maybe with Maddie, it is that she doesn't want Meri to mention her. 

 

3 hours ago, Granny58 said:

yes this for sure.  But also the horrible scene when Gabe was opening up to Asshat and was dismissed....heartbreaking.  Also also, yanking one of is sons (don't remember which one) out of LV high school when he was in line for a scholarship via his wrestling.  It was SO important to that son, and Janelle was "firm" about not uprooting them (good work Janelle), but none of that mattered because Kody had a hair up his ass about going.  

 

It was Gabe. Was it a scholarship, or was he in line to be captain (or both, maybe)? At any rate, he, Gwendlyn, and Aurora were the kids entering junior year, when the family left Vegas for Flagstaff. 

 

18 minutes ago, barshi50 said:

Kody said that it was the best time to move because "the triplets"  would have only a year to finish school, then there was a gap to the next group of kids. Or some such nonsense.

 

No, not exactly.

The idea (I think Robyn is the one who expressed it, but I could be wrong), is that they DID NOT want to move anyone right before their senior year of high school. They wanted to leave Vegas when they did, because it would mean that once they moved, all of the minor children would have at least TWO years in their new school. 

Gabe, Gwendlyn, and Aurora were the three oldest school-aged children ahead of the move. They moved right before their junior year. However, Gabriel then decided to double down on his course work, and graduated in one year, instead of two.

 

3 hours ago, Dibs said:

Personally, I think the online "mob with torches and pitchforks" is getting old.  All he needs is a big black handlebar mustache to twirl along with his golden curls, LOL.  It's now becoming "Kody Derangement Syndrome."

 

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 Cartoon villain is as cartoon villain does. 
 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, surfgirl said:

She's just trying to show how outrageous she is willing to be of TLC will only just give her a bigger piece of the pie. She and Tony are gross.

Or a bigger piece of the placenta. Sorry I just had to do that.

I will go away now.

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20 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

So your defense of Kody is…no one’s perfect?  Yes, Kody has a “side,” and he’s told us what it is: they’re mad because he didn’t love their mothers (lie).  The mothers badmouthed him (most likely a lie).  

Yes, Kody is the bad guy.  That’s not my POV or the kids’ POV.  It’s who he is and who he tells us and shows us who he is on the show!  If there’s another side to him, one not shown on the show, I’d love to know what it is!  
 

 

In Kody's mind, the wives telling the truth and failing to "interpret" KodySpeak so as to shine a better light on him is the same thing as badmouthing  him.

 

For years I suspect the OG3 have managed Kody's relationships with the kids by running interference and helping the kids give Kody the GIANT benefit of the doubt in all situations.  IMO, they stopped doing it when it became clear to them that perhaps THEY had been too generous in their interpretation of Kodys actions and otpives.  His ways of being around Robyn and her crew brought it into focus: Perhaps he isn't just TOO BUSY, stretched too thin, etc. etc...maybe he just does what he wants, when he wants.  

 

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4 hours ago, Granny58 said:

Splendor in the trash.  LOL 

and that difference is what I think he means by "never loved" the first 3 wives.  Now that he has experienced real love, he realizes that the supposed love he had before was performative.  OK, I get it.  But he should NEVER EVER say he didn't love them.  He could simply say he loved them in a different way and loved the life they provided.  

I don't think he has ever experienced REAL love. I don't think he is capable of it. He may experience a limited form of love that is transactional, conditional and self-serving. Which means he could turn on Robyn at any time if he decides she's not serving his needs anymore, just the way he did with the original 3 wives.

What he is experiencing with Robyn is someone that flatters his ego more than the others did. Maybe because she's younger, thinner, more sexually attractive (to him) and more willing to efface herself to pump up his ego than the others were and the high he gets from that is what he mistakes for "real" love.

4 hours ago, Granny58 said:

DOESN'T love them is one thing.  NEVER loved them is quite another.  I don't think divorced men say they never loved their first wives.  

Divorced men as self serving as he is can say that. He is capable of limited love in the first place so his relationships with women are not about what they mean to him but what they can do for him. And if they don't do enough for him in his view they are of no use to him. He really has no emotional commitment to them whatsoever so it's easy for him to say he never loved them. It's true that he never experienced REAL love with them, but it's not because he now knows what real love is that he says that, because he is still incapable of real love even with Robyn. Robyn hasn't changed anything about him whatsoever.

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This was really hard to watch, especially the scenes with Janelle and Gabriel, thinking about Garrison and how much pain he must have been in. 

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2 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Robyn took the big family for granted.  She and Kody thought they could play their selfish games and get away with it.  Big mistake. 

She thought they were her own personal boomerangs...she and Kody kept tossing them away and figured that they would keep coming back.  I don't think she ever expected ALL of them to not come back.  And it can't be lost on her how happy the OG3 are since they dropped the 180-pound curly-haired gorilla from their backs.  Heck, even Meri is glowing and I never thought I would see that woman smile ever again once she divorced Kody so Robyn could have him all to herself for the sake of the kids.

 

 

 

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I wonder if Kody would show up at a real therapist's office (not that Nancy woman) if Gabe asked him to. That's the only real way I can see Kody reconciling with most of his kids. Even then, it's a long shot. 

Robyn cries and cries (sort of) about her "lonely" Christmas, but says nothing about Meri spending Thanksgiving alone and sick because Kody has made things so uncomfortable for her. It's all about Robyn, all the time. And Kody's constant Robyn praise is gag-worthy. He just makes things worse between him and the other wives and kids doing that. Nobody wants to be friends with the ass-kissing teacher's pet. 

It's still hard to figure out what is actually going on. All the stories contradict each other. I would tend to believe Gabe over Kody, but I know even the kids have exaggerated things on occasion, like Maddie calling Meri a "monster". I mostly feel bad for Meri and for Robyn's isolated kids. Everyone else seems to have some source of decent support. 

The thing with the placenta was dumb time-filler, kind of like Mykelti herself. We don't need more of either. 

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7 hours ago, Yeah No said:

He takes sour grapes to a new level and he's clueless about how immature it looks. I don't believe that even he can marry a woman and have her children if he didn't have feelings of affection for her in some way and I doubt that look of love in his eyes for Meri in the early days was an act. There are many different levels and forms of caring and love but it's like he wants to deny any of it. A mature person would acknowledge that and say he wasn't able to care for them in the way they deserved to be cared for so he can understand why they would want to leave.

What gets me is that he is the king of projection. He accused Janelle of treating him like a "piece of meat" when what would he be doing if he never cared for her but using her as a "piece of meat" and means to an end for having children?

What a dick. At this point, I hope she did. Now she can go find some PRIME rather than the CANNER (learned a new term!) she's used to.  

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3 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I don't think he has ever experienced REAL love.

Oh but he has! Every single time he looks in the mirror….

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20 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Savannah telling her brothers that she’ll probably ask them to walk her down the aisle at her wedding over her father has to be a huge knife to the kidneys for Kody, right?! 

That felt huge to me.  Imagine being a father and hearing that.  It says so much. 
 

 

A normal father yes, but this is Kody. I doubt he remembers he has a daughter named Savanah, until he lays eyes on her.

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1 hour ago, Kellyee said:

Robyn cries and cries (sort of) about her "lonely" Christmas, but says nothing about Meri spending Thanksgiving alone and sick because Kody has made things so uncomfortable for her.

So, do we believe Meri was really sick over Thanksgiving or that Leon cancelled on her or that they never had plans to begin with?  They don't seem very close, to put it mildly.  Unfortunately, when you no longer have family, you're liable to end up spending family holidays all alone.

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29 minutes ago, Dibs said: They don't seem very close, to put it mildly.  Unfortunately, when you no longer have family, you're liable to end up spending family holidays all alone.

Leon doesn’t want to be on the show, and hasn’t been for years. When Meri has posted pictures with them the hate they receive in the comments is disgusting. So, I wouldn’t base anything on what we don’t see.

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Okay.  So is your theory that they DID meet for Thanksgiving, but she didn't want to say lest Leon receive hate for it?  I just found that odd.

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i believe that she was sick. There were nasty viral infections going around at this time. My husband got sick the night before Thanksgiving. He was very sick  and could not even go to Urgent Care. Our insurance company sent Dispatch Medic to our house the day after Thanksgiving. The upshot was that he didn't have Covid or the flu. He had a viral infection that lasted about a week. So no I do not think that Meri was making this up. People get sick this time of year.

1 hour ago, Dibs said:

Okay.  So is your theory that they DID meet for Thanksgiving, but she didn't want to say lest Leon receive hate for it?  I just found that odd.

Why do you find it odd?  Meri was sick and she probably told Leon and Audrey not to come because she did not want to expose them to whatever she had. Mothers do that. 

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2 hours ago, Dibs said:

Okay.  So is your theory that they DID meet for Thanksgiving, but she didn't want to say lest Leon receive hate for it?  I just found that odd.

My post was in response to you saying, “They don’t seem very close, to put it mildly.”. That’s why I quoted that in my response. I have no theory about Thanksgiving.

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10 hours ago, HoneyBeach said:

A normal father yes, but this is Kody. I doubt he remembers he has a daughter named Savanah, until he lays eyes on her.

Wasn't there also this cringe-worthy scene with Gabe where he had no idea that he was doing two years in one? (Or that he forgot which kid did that? I can't remember the exact details) 

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I think Meri and Leon are okay, because (in the past) Gwendlyn has talked about what a great mom Meri is to Leon. I think Leon just doesn't want to be talked about on the show, and I know that when Meri has mentioned Leon on social media, it draws anti-trans bigots to her page. Nobody wants to open up their kid to that.

15 hours ago, Dibs said:

So, do we believe Meri was really sick over Thanksgiving or that Leon cancelled on her or that they never had plans to begin with?  They don't seem very close, to put it mildly.  Unfortunately, when you no longer have family, you're liable to end up spending family holidays all alone.

Meri was definitely sick. You could hear it in her voice when she recorded her video on that Thanksgiving.

I am not sure Meri's original Thanksgiving plans were with Leon, however. I don't believe she ever said the plans were with Leon.

She said she had plans to spend Thanksgiving in California, but they fell through. Although they could have all planned to travel to Cali for the holiday, as far as I know, Leon and Audrey live in Colorado. Meri might have originally had plans with friends, or other family (Meri lived in California as a little girl, until her parents converted from the LDS church to the AUB). 

We don't get my married son and his wife for every holiday. They alternate between our family and her family. There's no problem between us, when they're with my daughter-in-law's family. 

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On 10/15/2024 at 2:29 PM, Granny58 said:

It was SO important to that son, and Janelle was "firm" about not uprooting them (good work Janelle), but none of that mattered because Kody had a hair up his ass about going.  

Janelle was "firm" at first, but changed her mind quickly. I really was mad at her because she knew how hard the move to Las Vegas was for two of her own children. She even mentioned Hunter's depression and Maddie's anger.

Oops, sorry for that triple posting. I don't know how I managed to do that.

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I thought it was Christine who said she thought Meri had plans to spend Thanksgiving with "her kids" (I assume incl. Leon's partner), adding, of course, that she doesn't speak to Meri, because she always has to add that, being Christine.

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I was disappointed that we didn't hear more about Meri's release. I wonder how that works. Since they named the episode after it, you would think they would have included that in the episode.

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13 minutes ago, MaryMitch said:

I was disappointed that we didn't hear more about Meri's release. I wonder how that works. Since they named the episode after it, you would think they would have included that in the episode.

The original LDS church has many practices which are secret.  It may be that the AUB offshoot is the same.  IMO, this release process may be treated as confidential as the confessional is for churches which practice it.  I just enjoyed knowing that the release was granted due to Kody's abandonment of Meri . . . and that it pissed him off to hear that.  

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2 hours ago, AZChristian said:

I just enjoyed knowing that the release was granted due to Kody's abandonment of Meri . . . and that it pissed him off to hear that.  

Oh yeah. You know he was seriously pissed. He didn't want to be tied to her in any way, shape, or form, but for her to pursue and get the release, and especially on grounds of abandonment, was a knife to what's left of his kidneys.

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21 hours ago, DanaMB said:

This was really hard to watch, especially the scenes with Janelle and Gabriel, thinking about Garrison and how much pain he must have been in.

When Gabe mentioned that Savannah wants her brothers to walk her down the aisle when she gets married, my thoughts immediately went to Garrison. What a tragedy.

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3 hours ago, Elodia said:

Oops, sorry for that triple posting. I don't know how I managed to do that.

 

I hate when that happens. But also, I was angry enough at Janelle at the time, that there's a sort of symbolic beauty to that particular post repeating itself like that. It felt worse, because Janelle already knew how upsetting it was for kids. 

 

2 hours ago, Dibs said:

I thought it was Christine who said she thought Meri had plans to spend Thanksgiving with "her kids" (I assume incl. Leon's partner), adding, of course, that she doesn't speak to Meri, because she always has to add that, being Christine.

 

It was Robyn who mentioned Meri's kids. I just checked the episode and replied to a similar comment in the Leon thread.
 

 

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Watching this as background noise.   I think Tony is the new Caleb as far as Kody is concerned.  I like Caleb, Tony not so much.   
 

also, not into eating placenta. Our last child is 36 so I won’t have the opportunity to refuse to do it, but I will ask my daughter who just had her second.  
 

when Kody says loyalty, I translate it to obedience plus no questioning

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What does Kody think Robyn has sacrificed for the family ???( I can’t remember if it was in the episode itself or bonus content ). Cause it wasn’t time with him.  Or space   Or resources 

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21 hours ago, Kellyee said:

I wonder if Kody would show up at a real therapist's office (not that Nancy woman) if Gabe asked him to.

No

4 hours ago, Elodia said:
On 10/15/2024 at 8:29 AM, Granny58 said:

It was SO important to that son, and Janelle was "firm" about not uprooting them (good work Janelle), but none of that mattered because Kody had a hair up his ass about going.  

Janelle was "firm" at first, but changed her mind quickly. I really was mad at her because she knew how hard the move to Las Vegas was for two of her own children. She even mentioned Hunter's depression and Maddie's anger.

Yeah, I meant that sarcastically.  I should have put an emoji in there or something.  

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1 hour ago, dariafan said:

What does Kody think Robyn has sacrificed for the family ???( I can’t remember if it was in the episode itself or bonus content ). Cause it wasn’t time with him.  Or space   Or resources 

THIS!!  Seriously, she came into the marriage with nothing. Not a dime to her name.  Three kids.  No job.   Claiming she ALWAYS wanted to live polygamy. She got her needs met, a home, food, clothes, sister wives and a husband she appeared to be very hot for. WHAT DID SHE SACRIFICE? Other than having to deal with Kody, of course.  I guess its the same as her crying over not getting a "perfect Christmas," she didn't get her "perfect life" or "perfect sister wives."  

 

Join the club, Life is rarely perfect for anyone, ever.

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6 hours ago, General Days said:

I think Meri and Leon are okay, because (in the past) Gwendlyn has talked about what a great mom Meri is to Leon. I think Leon just doesn't want to be talked about on the show, and I know that when Meri has mentioned Leon on social media, it draws anti-trans bigots to her page. Nobody wants to open up their kid to that.

Meri was definitely sick. You could hear it in her voice when she recorded her video on that Thanksgiving.

I am not sure Meri's original Thanksgiving plans were with Leon, however. I don't believe she ever said the plans were with Leon.

She said she had plans to spend Thanksgiving in California, but they fell through. Although they could have all planned to travel to Cali for the holiday, as far as I know, Leon and Audrey live in Colorado. Meri might have originally had plans with friends, or other family (Meri lived in California as a little girl, until her parents converted from the LDS church to the AUB). 

We don't get my married son and his wife for every holiday. They alternate between our family and her family. There's no problem between us, when they're with my daughter-in-law's family. 

I agree, I wouldn't put too much stock into Thanksgiving plans. I try to avoid traveling for Thanksgiving and even if I did, it doesn't make sense for me to spend two days traveling just to spend two days with family for a single meal. And I adore my mom. Not everyone cares about Thanksgiving or other so-called "traditional" holidays. Maybe Meri cared for awhile, but after she got relegated to "only make the rice krispies turkey" status, maybe she stopped caring. And we have no idea what Leon thinks.

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1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

You know, I might have to cut Kody some slack now that I know he saw the Grim Reaper when he had that 99.7 degree fever from Covid.  He must've been terrified.  If I recall, his gluteus maximus also hurt - a previously unknown side effect of Covid.  And then there was Robyn in the ER so sick that she couldn't draw on her eyebrows before doing a little self-filming.  I mean, what these two have gone through is the worstest most awfulest stuff to happen to anyone ever in the history of...ever. 

 

In his head he almost !!! DIED !!!   and his family should have fallen apart at the very idea of being without him. He wasn’t admitted to the hospital and had enough energy to drive around and record his idiotic thoughts. I think he cannot wrap his head around the fact that his family coped and carried on , particularly after they learned he wasn’t deathly ill.
Kody has incorporated his brush with COVID into his bizarre view of himself as a poor hard-done-by man completely let down by his non-Robyn family and refuses to take any responsibility for the fractured relationships with his children.

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3 hours ago, altopower said:

Oh yeah. You know he was seriously pissed. He didn't want to be tied to her in any way, shape, or form, but for her to pursue and get the release, and especially on grounds of abandonment, was a knife to what's left of his kidneys.

It sounds like the church elders called him and chewed him out, whi h as we all know would really TRIGGER him because being held accountable for his horrible treatment of his OG wives and children would be something someone like him cannot handle. Because it's never him, it's always someone else's fault. Not a fan of the AUB in any way, but kudos to them for calling him and taking him to task.

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3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

It is the lowest grade meat that is used in canned meat. 

Like Spam or the like?  🤪

2 hours ago, MamaMax said:

THIS!!  Seriously, she came into the marriage with nothing. Not a dime to her name.  Three kids.  No job.   Claiming she ALWAYS wanted to live polygamy. She got her needs met, a home, food, clothes, sister wives and a husband she appeared to be very hot for. WHAT DID SHE SACRIFICE? Other than having to deal with Kody, of course.  I guess its the same as her crying over not getting a "perfect Christmas," she didn't get her "perfect life" or "perfect sister wives."  

 

Join the club, Life is rarely perfect for anyone, ever.

She also got her $30 grand VS bill paid.  Poor baby, such sacrifice!  🙄

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2 hours ago, MamaMax said:

THIS!!  Seriously, she came into the marriage with nothing. Not a dime to her name.  Three kids.  No job.   Claiming she ALWAYS wanted to live polygamy. She got her needs met, a home, food, clothes, sister wives and a husband she appeared to be very hot for. WHAT DID SHE SACRIFICE? Other than having to deal with Kody, of course.  I guess its the same as her crying over not getting a "perfect Christmas," she didn't get her "perfect life" or "perfect sister wives."  

52 minutes ago, precious pupp said:

She also got her $30 grand VS bill paid.  Poor baby, such sacrifice!  🙄

 

Don't forget My Sister Wife’s Closet!  That was her dream, and they all poured money and labor into it all for her!  
 

Such sacrifices!  🙄

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And don't for get how Robyn had to sacrifice and move into a $900,000 house on several acres of land when Janell was living it up in an RV parked out in no man's land. I don't know how Robyn managed to survive in that 5 bedroom house. It must have been so awful. She should get an award for her sacrifices.

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On 10/15/2024 at 8:41 AM, Granny58 said:

DOESN'T love them is one thing.  NEVER loved them is quite another.  I don't think divorced men say they never loved their first wives.  

That there are, what, 13 kids among the three wives?  I don’t wanna be too gross, but that he could do the deed at least 13 times and probably more with the three of them and not love them says more about him than it does about them.

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19 minutes ago, b2H said:

he could do the deed at least 13 times and probably more with the three of them and not love them says more about him than it does about them.

???? 

Lots of people "do the deed" with people they don't love.

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2 minutes ago, Quof said:

???? 

Lots of people "do the deed" with people they don't love.

Then it just points out the phoniness of what the Browns were initially trying to sell us.

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15 hours ago, General Days said:
18 hours ago, Elodia said:

Oops, sorry for that triple posting. I don't know how I managed to do that.

 

I hate when that happens.

Did you know that you can edit your post (to delete multiple posting)??

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7 hours ago, b2H said:

Then it just points out the phoniness of what the Browns were initially trying to sell us.

No, they were trying to sell us on how their love needed to be multiplied. His words, not mine.

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1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

And why is he STILL talking about having a house that "everyone can come back to?"  Everyone who?  The only "everyones" he's got left are the ones already in his house - the rest aren't coming back!  I know he's nuts but continuing to pretend that his kids are all going to come back to gather at his knee and partake of his wisdom when he refuses to speak to them is delusional.

I know, I thought the same thing. Delusions of grandeur!

He can't imagine how they're not all going to "see the error of their ways" and come crawling back apologizing even after he's rejected and alienated and them irreparably!

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