S47.E04: Is That Blood in Your Hair?

[Rodney]

A castaway risks getting caught red-handed while on the hunt for an advantage in the game.  During the Immunity Challenge, tribes must dig deep to piece together a win to earn a reward and safety from the next Tribal Council.  Then, one castaway from each tribe will take a journey, where they must make a big decision that could impact the game.

This is the episode's actual discussion thread for after the episode airs.

[mojoween]

It sucks that Rome did something interesting, but Sol survived so props for that.

Between last week and this week I guess they don’t sit around talking about how to spell their names, huh.

[LadyChatts]

Wasn't the blindside I was hoping for, but close enough.  I'm not sorry to see Kishan go.  Rome's playing hard but he's doing it stupidly and no one's really taking him seriously.  Kishan was playing too hard, too fast.  I was hoping he and Teeny would be sorry for letting Asyah go next week, and I'm guessing at that point in time they were.  They could have gotten Genevieve if they were worried Rome would play his idol.

I'm glad Rome wasted his steal-a-vote.  It would have been a little sweeter if he wasted it trying to get Sol out, but I'm super happy Sol stayed.  I wouldn't have blamed him for punching Rome's teeth out.

If Gata loses I hope it's Sam.  Another egotistical player who thinks he needs to be the first to know anything and everything.  

Overall, a meh episode but the ending was satisfying.

[Rodney]

I'll admit.  Big episode for Genevieve.  But I'm bummed that Rome stayed yet again.  Especially after that terrible challenge performance and threatening Sol the way that he did.

That said, Kishan was irritating me in this episode almost as much as Rome was, so him going home is a good consolation prize.  And that was a damn good blindside to make it happen.  Well played, Genevieve.

But like @LadyChatts said, I hope that Sam goes soon.  What an egotistical ass.  Sierra's not obligated to tell you everything.  Especially if she was planning to go with the women over you.  I don't even get why she told Andy about it, anyway.  Speaking of Andy, can't wait to see him go out, too.

Like the change on the Advantage Amulets.  The Amulet Idols actually have to be used together to make a full idol, and they can be used successfully no matter how many people use it, so long as that same number of people are left in the game.

Despite Rome not leaving, it was a good episode.

[AntFTW]

They must have left Sue alone for a really long time if she had enough time to deal with the paint and wash it off (kinda).

[dancingdreamer]

I didn't  know who was going at TC.. I didn't  want it to be Teeny. I really  like her, and I like Sol. Rome was being  obnoxious  toward Sol, but he seems  different  at TC, or even after losing  at the puzzle. He really plays to the camera,  but when they lost the puzzle  , he said it was embarrassing,  and he sounds quite normal. It's hard to explain.  It was a pretty good episode  for a change.  I hope they mix everyone  into two groups,  breaking  up alliances. Sam's  pretty damn cocky as well. 
Omg , when that red paint landed on the ground, I felt so sorry for Sue. It did  look like blood. Anyway  she has the idol.

[AntFTW]

I missed the whole immunity challenge because my local CBS is on Hurricane Milton watch... and they interrupted Survivor for hurricane news.

[KeithJ]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

I'll admit.  Big episode for Genevieve.  But I'm bummed that Rome stayed yet again.  Especially after that terrible challenge performance and threatening Sol the way that he did.

I just can’t see how they did so bad at that puzzle.  Not a single piece?  I was actually thinking Genevieve and Rome were actually trying to throw it.

[bankerchick]

Rome makes me uncomfortable.  He seems to honestly believe that he is in charge and that he is the sole reason his team has won any rewards to this point.  Being a bully seems to come naturally to him.  He would creep me out in real life and I don't know how Sol was able to stop himself from punching him in his giant, obnoxious mouth.  I understand physical contact is strictly forbidden, but when someone is within inches of your face and refuses to leave you alone, I think you should have a right to remove the problem.

I already forget the name of the guy who was voted out, but he thought he was a little smarter than he was.  Once Genevieve found out he floated her name, that was all she wrote.  'Ha ha.  I love to sow chaos.'  How'd that work out for ya?

[North of Eden]

I thought we were going to get our first ever SURVIVOR fisticuff.

The way Rome kept pushing Sol with childish antics like following him everywhere was so over the top that if it had been happening to me I would have snapped. Sol has more patience in his pinkie than I do in my whole body.

I'll have to go back and rewind but it looked like they were stacking the pieces that didn't fit into a vertical pile...way to make finding the next piece if they ever found the first one way harder....talk about gilding the lily with stupidity.

Didn't really like Kishan because as I said in the premiere I feel like we've seen his character a hundred times before on the show.

Who is this Caroline and where did she come from?

Teeny is boring. That is all.

Edited October 10 by North of Eden

[Rodney]

6 minutes ago, bankerchick said:

I already forget the name of the guy who was voted out,

Kishan.

[Arkay]

Rome is intolerable and that aggressive behavior towards Sol should be prohibited.

Of course Rome planted himself by the puzzle, could not do one piece, and ignored Sol’s suggestion that they switch.

I was so hoping it was Rome's time to leave, but I’m mainly relieved that Sol lives to play another day. From what I saw it appeared that Sol is the main reason they did well at the challenge.  Even Jeff was gushing over his needing just two turns to throw the two sandbags.

I’m not going to miss Kishan at all, though.

Edited October 10 by Arkay

[OutOfTheQuestion]

1 hour ago, mojoween said:

Between last week and this week I guess they don’t sit around talking about how to spell their names, huh.

If I was on Survivor and another player casually asked how to spell my name, my spider-sense would start tingling.  :)
 

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

I'll admit.  Big episode for Genevieve.  But I'm bummed that Rome stayed yet again.  Especially after that terrible challenge performance and threatening Sol the way that he did.

Correction, ultimatuming Sol the way he did!

When Genevieve started getting lots of confessionals after being invisible for three weeks, it made me think she was going home next.

[TVFan1]

Kishan thought his plan of getting out Rome was going exactly as he planned. Nope. Just to be clear, I would have loved to see Rome go home, but Kishan was becoming annoying, and thought he was such a great player.  Good on Genevive for getting him out. 

Sam from Gata is also someone who can go any day now. I hope Sierra joins forces with the women and gets him gone.

[Chalby]

What was said to these contestants prior to this season starting?

I don't understand the concern with wanting to "be the villian" and other weird game conversations.

The cast isn't overly appealing at the moment, and Sol and Rome need to go home.More love for chickens? STFU!!! Reany has ruined all chickens for me.

Last complaint... every time I'm typing a response on my phone, a video pops up right where I need to type, and takes forever to properly close. I despise all these floating windows and crap on primetime.

Edited October 10 by Chalby

[Rodney]

35 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

Kishan thought his plan of getting out Rome was going exactly as he planned. Nope. Just to be clear, I would have loved to see Rome go home, but Kishan was becoming annoying, and thought he was such a great player.  Good on Genevive for getting him out.

I actually thought that Kishan had the potential to be a good player.  He had the right social charm to get the people he needed on his side, and he was putting together his own plan to oust Rome very well.  The problem was that he badly overestimated how passive Genevieve would be at being named the decoy target.  He thought that she'd be okay with it.  (Granted, I would've thought that, too.  I don't think that anyone would've expected her to take it that badly to be named as the backup target.)  He didn't expect her to be such an active player, or for her to get her own case of Big Move-itis.

And he certainly had no way of knowing that she'd channel that Big Move-itis into targeting him.

But yeah, Kishan showed that he did have a nose for strategy and thus a lot of potential to do really well in the game.  So I wouldn't mind him coming back on a season that might allow early-ousted castaways who had potential, but just got sniped for one reason or another.  (See: Matthew from 44, Sabiyah from 45, and maybe Jem from 46.)

Edited October 10 by Rodney

[Chalby]

Where does some goofball, Survivor nerd like Rome, get all that confidence from? Even when I hear him talking, when I'm away from the screen, I'm surprised no one has told him to STFU with his constant yapping. And Sol needed a reality check because he was posturing like he had advance news he was in the final.

Something just feels off, and I need the game to get up & get going to show me a glimpse of what "something" I can watch without feeling irate or annoyed.

[Chalby]

52 minutes ago, Arkay said:

Rome is intolerable and that aggressive behavior towards Sol should be prohibited.

Of course Rome planted himself by the puzzle, could not do one piece, and ignored Sol’s suggestion that they switch.

I am confused why no one demanded Rome switch out when it was clear his head wasn't in it. Or is that not allowed (in the rules)? If I was there, within 3 minutes, I would've just tapped him out. No asking, no politeness, just "Okay, switch out. My turn..." and so on through the team.

[30 Helens]

I see I'm not the only one who spent the entire episode wanting to punch Rome in the face.

[Rome studies a puzzle piece from all possible angles] "Not it, Rome." [Rome tries to jab in another piece that doesn't even have the right colors] "Not it, Rome." [Rome carefully tries to force another piece in 3 different ways] "Not it, Rome." LOLOL. I love Sol.

But while Rome may have won the Idiot crown for the evening, Sue was a strong runner up. "I was playing with the machete... no, I bit my tongue!" Hard enough to spray your hair in blood? Not too quick-witted, our Sue. She should have just taken the story they fed her, which was tripping and falling. She could have even scratched her chin with a branch to corroborate. Now she's just gonna have to bite her tongue off.

Advice to the other players: Keep Genevieve's name out of your mouths. Damn, that was some quick retribution! (Dumb of him not to clue her in, though.)

[Chalby]

20 minutes ago, Rodney said:

I actually thought that Kishan had the potential to be a good player. 

But yeah, Kishan showed that he did have a nose for strategy and thus a lot of potential to do really well in the game. 

 

I was mweh about Kishan, but i have to admit when Kishan agreed and encouraged Rome's plan to demand Sol’s shot in the dark, I didn't like either of their personas. They've been choosing aggression, and intrusive proximity to harass & demand specific behaviour. Are they more interested in being seen as villains, or do they actually want to play the game? This group is hard to pin down.

[Chalby]

20 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

I see I'm not the only one who spent the entire episode wanting to punch Rome in the face.

[Rome carefully tries to force another piece in 3 different ways] "Not it, Rome." LOLOL. I love Sol.

But while Rome may have won the Idiot crown for the evening, Sue was a strong runner up. "I was playing with the machete... no, I bit my tongue!" Hard enough to spray your hair in blood? Not too quick-witted, our Sue.

Yeah, I was done with Rome last week. As well, fellows like Rome and Sol seem to need to publicly parade as in-charge, alpha strategizers, which also annoys me, because I don't see Rome as alpha anything. Or maybe because I feel it's too early in the game for them to be behaving as if they're these kickass survivors, heading into final tribal. Then again, I do have 3 sons who have occasionally postured like these knuckleheads, so maybe I'm just annoyed. I need Rome gone, and perhaps now that Sol’s backed down a bit, he'll look less like an ass.

And Sue's "secrets" that no one knows? Being older than you say you are, isn't that bad ass, but good on her for knocking off 13 years. Sue forgets that anyone under the age of 35, sees everyone older than 40 as really old, period.

When her young camp mate (forgot name) asked her age, she answered 45 and he was impressed. But not because she looks good, or is fit, but because he thinks 45 is so old and challenging when playing Survivor. That cracked me up. Probably good she doesn't ever share her age as it would count against her with these young'uns.

Edited October 10 by Chalby

[Rodney]

3 minutes ago, Chalby said:

Yeah, I was done with Rome last week. As well, fellows like Rome and Sol seem to need to publicly parade as in-charge, alpha strategizers, which also annoys me, because I don't see Rome as alpha anything. Or maybe because I feel it's too early in the game for them to be behaving as if they're these kickass survivors, heading into final tribal. Then again, I do have 3 sons who have occasionally postured like these knuckleheads, so maybe I'm just annoyed. I need Rome gone, and perhaps now that Sol’s backed down a bit, he'll look less like an ass.

I didn't see any sign of Sol being like that.  Rome, yes.  But Sol just wanted to be left alone by Rome.  I never saw any need to be an alpha-male from him.

[Chalby]

1 hour ago, North of Eden said:

I thought we were going to get our first ever SURVIVOR fisticuff.

Sol has more patience in his pinkie than I do in my whole body

....talk about gilding the lily with stupidity.

Yes, I wanted Sol to just smack Rome away while stating he'll look for anything he wants.  Seriously, I have NO patience for over the top posturing or bravado. Especially if this behavior was interfering with my game. Well played by Genevieve- boys, keep her name out of your mouth.

[Chalby]

20 minutes ago, Rodney said:

I didn't see any sign of Sol being like that.  Rome, yes.  But Sol just wanted to be left alone by Rome.  I never saw any need to be an alpha-male from him.

Not this week, I actually enjoyed him. I just found I haven't appreciated how he's been playing. In all fairness, maybe I'm just annoyed that these 2 behaved this way towards each other, and at least the end of tribal gave me a tiny smile.

[Lantern7]

I think I'll be recording this show again while watching The Challenge. To be honest, I don't think there's a guaranteed win for me either way. Hey, at least I'm not watching The Golden Bachelorette or The Masked Singer. It's good to imagine that I have standards!

I guess that I'm rooting for Sol since his sole purpose in this game is to hate Rome, which is something I can get behind. Sucks that Rome is still in the game, but so is Sol, and we only lost . . . I can't be bothered to look up the guy's name.

It's fun to imagine that the production people made Sue's idol grab tougher for her because she is (forgive me if I'm incorrect) the oldest person in the game. Yeah, she didn't have to go through the rigamarole of darting stealthily from place to place, but she had to deal with red dye (paint?) that was hard for her to explain away. As much as the "caught red-handed" thing works, I would have went with another color. How about light blue? Is there anything on that island other than the water that is blue?

How long has it been since players had chickens? It feels like forever.

[Rodney]

20 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Sucks that Rome is still in the game, but so is Sol, and we only lost . . . I can't be bothered to look up the guy's name.

Kishan.  He was there multiple times throughout the episode.  It shouldn't have been that hard to remember his name.

[Kenzie]

Rome sitting on the floor like a Kindergartener who can't figure out how to put his broken graham cracker back together. 😂

[jsm1125]

I was shocked to find out that Rome didn’t actually throw that immunity challenge. 

Does anyone else think that Caroline vaguely resembles Frannie from Survivor 44? Aka the one who was in a showmance and is still dating Matt from that season?

I’m enjoying Sierra’s Philly/Baltimore accent.

With Genevieve’s sudden spike in airtime, I was worried she was going home this episode. Glad to see that’s not the case, but I don’t understand why she was so purpled until this episode. 

[Chalby]

4 hours ago, Rodney said:

I didn't see any sign of Sol being like that.  Rome, yes.  But Sol just wanted to be left alone by Rome.  I never saw any need to be an alpha-male from him.

Rodney, thanks for asking. I think I wrongly attributed Sam's behaviours, conversations etc to Sol. So when you asked, I felt he was pretty decent this episode, so when I reviewed last week's, I saw the dark haired guy by the blonde, and thought it was Sol. Thanks for catching that

[SummerDreams]

So I missed the second half, could someone say in a few words what happened?

[Skooma]

17 hours ago, KeithJ said:

I just can’t see how they did so bad at that puzzle.  Not a single piece?  I was actually thinking Genevieve and Rome were actually trying to throw it.

No, Rome really is that stupid and Genevieve just was content to play Nurse Nancy and hand him endless scalpels (puzzle pieces).  Why Rome didn't get off his lazy butt and spread the pieces out and look at them as a whole I will never know.  But apparently he was too important to do grunt work and stand up and help out.

16 hours ago, Chalby said:

I am confused why no one demanded Rome switch out when it was clear his head wasn't in it. Or is that not allowed (in the rules)? If I was there, within 3 minutes, I would've just tapped him out. No asking, no politeness, just "Okay, switch out. My turn..." and so on through the team.

We saw Sol asking him several times about switching out and Rome ignored him.

11 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

So I missed the second half, could someone say in a few words what happened?

They had a perfect blindside set up to get Rome out and idiot Genevieve got all stupid and blew their chance by flipping.  I'm starting to dislike her more than Rome at this point.

Edited October 10 by Skooma

[Rodney]

49 minutes ago, SummerDreams said:

So I missed the second half, could someone say in a few words what happened?

Teeny, Andy, and Caroline went on the journey and were given the offer of an advantage, but only if one of them sacrificed his, her, or their vote for one Tribal Council.  Although they were worried about Lavo's upcoming Tribal Council, Teeny gave up their vote, so they all got an advantage: the Amulet Idol, which all three could only use as a full idol if used together.

Back with Lavo, the Tribal Council planning had Rome has the target, thanks to Kishan's maneuvering to get Sol and Genevieve on his side.  Unfortunately, the news got to Genevieve (I think from Teeny) that Kishan had offered her up as the backup/decoy target without giving her the heads up.  So suddenly, she got a bee in her bonnet about Kishan, went rat and told Rome about the plan, and recruited him and Sol to blindside Kishan, whom she didn't want to claim credit for a move.

All this culminated in Tribal Council having another blindside, when Rome stole Kishan's vote instead of his initial plan to steal Sol's, and Kishan was voted out by a vote of 4-0.

7 minutes ago, Skooma said:

They has a perfect blindside set up to get Rome out and idiot Genevieve got all stupid and blew their chance by flipping.  I'm starting to dislike her more than Rome at this point.

I'm disappointed, too, but trying to save her top ally and avoid being the backup target herself doesn't make Genevieve stupid.  Frustrating, yes, but certainly not stupid.

[violet and green]

While Rome was idiotic plonking himself down on the kindergarten mat and turning each of those puzzle pieces around over and over and stabbing at the puzzle with them like a toddler, when it was obvious they were not going to ever fit, Genevieve in my view was worse - standing passively to the side and slowly handing them to him one by one and them stacking them in an enormous pile to make finding the next right one (if they ever found the first right one) even more impossible. She could have got down beside him and tried some pieces herself, or shoved him out the of the way if necessary. It was just ridiculous.

Her name should have come up, not sure why after she and Rome both cost them the challenge when they were ahead she felt she was exempt, but she is clearly a popular tribe member.

Too bad for Kishnan. So glad it wasn't Sol.

Also, season 47 and these numbnuts still don't know you need a rooster around to have baby chicks hatch from an egg.

[Haleth]

6 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

[Rome studies a puzzle piece from all possible angles] "Not it, Rome." [Rome tries to jab in another piece that doesn't even have the right colors] "Not it, Rome." [Rome carefully tries to force another piece in 3 different ways] "Not it, Rome." LOLOL. I love Sol.

While I was very bored the whole episode Sol's deadpan "not it, Rome" cracked me up.  The fact they couldn't get one piece was cringeworthy, but to be fair Rome was working with what Genevieve handed him.  (Yes, he should have stood up to look for himself.)

25 minutes ago, violet and green said:

Genevieve in my view was worse - standing passively to the side and slowly handing them to him one by one

Exactly.  That was a really poor way to do a puzzle.  Like opening a jigsaw puzzle, picking up one piece out of the box, and trying to find where it fit.

The only other thing that amused me was when Kishan was voted out he said something like "that's not how I imagined it."  No kidding.

[Skooma]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

Teeny, Andy, and Caroline went on the journey and were given the offer of an advantage, but only if one of them sacrificed his, her, or their vote for one Tribal Council.  Although they were worried about Lavo's upcoming Tribal Council, Teeny gave up their vote, so they all got an advantage: the Amulet Idol, which all three could only use as a full idol if used together.

...

I'm disappointed, too, but trying to save her top ally and avoid being the backup target herself doesn't make Genevieve stupid.  Frustrating, yes, but certainly not stupid.

What wasn't mentioned is that if nobody volunteered to give up their vote ALL THREE would lose their vote at the first tribal council each went to.  So Teeny would have lost her vote anyway. 

At least this way she got a third of an immunity idol.  And, of course, if the other two get voted out first before it is used, she has a full immunity idol all to herself.

And no I disagree.  Genevieve was totally stupid.  She is now attached at the hip with Rome.  Betray people like that once you agreed to the plan and nobody will ever trust you again and you now have a big old target on your back.

Edited October 10 by Skooma

[mojoween]

8 hours ago, Rodney said:

Kishan.

Or Keyshawn.  Or Kysh.  Or 🔑shawn.

To be fair, there is a famous Keyshawn that I am sure Rome has heard of, so he spelled it like he heard it.  Not sure what Sol was doing.

In another ep they said something about not being able to lay the puzzle pieces out before building, so I’m wondering if that happened here too because it looked like all three tribes were working from a stack.

[Rodney]

40 minutes ago, Skooma said:

And no I disagree.  Genevieve was totally stupid.  She is now attached at the hip with Rome.  Betray people like that once you agreed to the plan and nobody will ever trust you again and you now have a big old target on your back.

Meh.  Not much Teeny can do about it.  Genevieve still has Rome's trust, and that's all that clearly matters to her.  Now they're in the driver's seat and can side with either Teeny or Sol if they return to Tribal Council.

[JudyObscure]

2 hours ago, violet and green said:

Genevieve in my view was worse - standing passively to the side and slowly handing them to him one by one and them stacking them in an enormous pile to make finding the next right one (if they ever found the first right one) even more impossible. She could have got down beside him and tried some pieces herself, or shoved him out the of the way if necessary. It was just ridiculous.

So true, another thing she should have done was knock that tidy stack of puzzles over, quickly sort out the ones that were the right color, and then the most likely shapes for Rome to try to place.

I thought it was a great episode. One of the broadest blindsides ever.  Not only was Kishan blindsided but half of his tribe and most of the viewers.

The Three Faces of Rome: 1. Smiling, goofy, dynomite guy. 2. Tribal Council sage, serious and smart. 3. Menacing bully with no boundaries at all.

We may see him on Dateline someday.

[seacliffsal]

Andy was wrong-we have seen amulets like this before.  All they do is put targets on the holders' backs as they try to oust each other after the merge so that only one is left and the holder can use it as they want.

Rome has been consistent in trying to be the only person on his tribe to do anything (so they can cheer and clap for him...).  But, Sol, here's some advice from a lifelong high school teacher who has dealt with numerous Romes...just ignore him-don't engage with him.  That will frustrate him more than any other action as he is desperate for the attention and as as to feel as if he is in control.  The arguing back with him only feeds into the attention and control he wants.

I think Teeny now realizes she wasn't as in control of things as she may have thought (as she turned on Aysha last episode).  It wouldn't surprise me if Rome wants to target Teeny next (as she was allied with Kishan and Aysha) and that Rome actually aligns with Sol.  

Sam is signing up for an earlier than expected exit.  If they lose soon and Sierra (along with the other women) really wants Andy out and Sam targets someone else, that may be it for him.

Oh, and Sue?  Speaking as a woman much older than yourself (69), there's no way all that work makes you look (only) 45.  But, I do now understand why she had all that work done as she does believe it makes her more youthful.  I think the tribe is more interested in winning, etc., so if you are useful you'll be okay.  However, her 'threat' to get revenge on Kyle for writing her name down may be what leads to her exit-not her age.

What is up with the threats this season?  Glad Jeff used the word 'threat' at TC (yes, he said ultimatum once but then went back to threat).

[bunnyface]

When Rome said "Sol is 110% going home," I thought, I'm not fortune teller but I can tell you who 110% is NOT going home, and that's Sol.  

I know it's Survivor and there are no rules until the producers decide to change everything and make a rule but physically stalking and threatening another player shouldn't be allowed.

I'm glad Rome never traded out on the puzzle because if he had, when the lost, he would 110% shift the blame to Sol.  "I had it going, but he took over and lost."  So at least the blame stayed squarely with him.

Did I imagine it or was the other girl on the journey, whoever it was, about to propose something else when Teeny caved?  It looked like she opened her eyes and said "oh" like she had an idea, but then Teeny spoke up so she shut it down.  I don't know why they were so insistent on Teeny being the one when she was the only one in immediate risk because they were going to tribal that day.  Well, I mean, I know why, but still.

[SummerDreams]

Sorry if it was already mentioned, but why was Sue's idol the big one that lasts until 5 people are in the game while the others were for 1, 3 or 5 tribal councils? Do we think there are big idols in the other camps as well?

Edited October 10 by SummerDreams

[tinkerbell]

10 hours ago, Chalby said:

Last complaint... every time I'm typing a response on my phone, a video pops up right where I need to type, and takes forever to properly close. I despise all these floating windows and crap on primetime.

Same thing happening to me.

I've discarded numerous posts because I couldn't type without opening an ad.

[Chicago Redshirt]

14 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I'm glad Rome wasted his steal-a-vote.  It would have been a little sweeter if he wasted it trying to get Sol out, but I'm super happy Sol stayed.  I wouldn't have blamed him for punching Rome's teeth out.

I don't think I would consider it a waste, necessarily. It was easy for Sol to vote Kishan knowing that Kishan was vulnerable, and knowing/suspecting that Teeny had no vote.  Voting for Rome or anyone else once the Steal-the-Vote was used would be pointless because Kishan would have still gone home 3-1. (I suppose in some crazy scenario Genevive and Rome split their three votes on first vote. 

If Rome didn't steal Kishan's vote, Kishan and probably Sol would have come for him. He and Genevive would have voted for Kishan, making it 2-2. On a revote, who knows what would have happened? Genevive could have flipped to Rome. And this is assuming that he trusted Teeny when she said she had no vote. If Teeny had a vote and sided with Rome and Kishan, he absolutely would have needed the vote.

6 hours ago, Skooma said:

They has a perfect blindside set up to get Rome out and idiot Genevieve got all stupid and blew their chance by flipping.  I'm starting to dislike her more than Rome at this point.

As much as I dislike Rome's gameplay and personality, and as much as I'm stunned that his sorry-ass game play in the puzzle didn't lead to him being punished, I can't fault Genevieve for targeting Kishan. 

1. Kishan did put her name out there without telling her, which meant that she could be more than a decoy target and become an actual target. Remember, the epic fail on the puzzle is partially on her, and also Rome was known to have an advantage that he could play in a steal-a-vote.

2. Rome has been nothing but trustworthy toward Genevieve so far, so it behooves her to keep him around for his apparent loyalty.

3. As long as Rome is around, he's a potential meat shield for her. All things equal, people would rather target him than her. 

2 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

Sorry if it was already mentioned, but why was Sue's idol the big one that lasts until 5 people are in the game while the others were for 1, 3 or 5 tribal councils? Do we think there are big idols in the other camps as well?

I'm operating under the assumption that each beach has another beware idol similar to the one Sue found where to get it. the Survivor is going to have to get into red paint and figure out how to deal with it.

Edited October 10 by Chicago Redshirt

[bankerchick]

4 hours ago, Skooma said:

They has a perfect blindside set up to get Rome out and idiot Genevieve got all stupid and blew their chance by flipping. 

 

2 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

Rome has been consistent in trying to be the only person on his tribe to do anything (so they can cheer and clap for him...).  But, Sol, here's some advice from a lifelong high school teacher who has dealt with numerous Romes...just ignore him-don't engage with him.  That will frustrate him more than any other action as he is desperate for the attention and as as to feel as if he is in control.  The arguing back with him only feeds into the attention and control he wants.

Preach it.

2 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

Oh, and Sue?  Speaking as a woman much older than yourself (69), there's no way all that work makes you look (only) 45.  But, I do now understand why she had all that work done as she does believe it makes her more youthful.  I think the tribe is more interested in winning, etc., so if you are useful you'll be okay.  However, her 'threat' to get revenge on Kyle for writing her name down may be what leads to her exit-not her age.

As someone much older than Sue (and also named Sue) I had to replay the scene a couple times because I couldn't believe she said she was 45.  As if.  However, I don't find it unbelievable that a bunch of 20-somethings might believe it.  To them, 40 looks like 60 looks like 80.  I was a little amused at the reaction to this.  'Oh wow, good for you' (or something like that) as if it's an accomplishment to make it to that age and still be able to stand vertically and carry on a conversation.

[realitytvfan1017]

My thoughts:

1. No way anyone buys Sue is 45.

2. Kishan, I bet you wish you voted with the others to get Genevieve out, karma bites .

3. Teeny, should have fought harder for your vote.

4. Wish the insufferable Rome would be voted out already but kudos to Genevieve for her plan. 

5. Do the others think Sue got an idol? 
 

6. Sol I give you such credit for keeping your cool there .

12 hours ago, KeithJ said:

I just can’t see how they did so bad at that puzzle.  Not a single piece?  I was actually thinking Genevieve and Rome were actually trying to throw it.

I was wondering too .

[iMonrey]

Please tell me they're not going to start naming their secret alliances like they do on Big Brother. Did Allison Grodner invade this show?

Oh, that Jeff doesn't see the irony pointing out how this challenge is going "very similar" to the last one. Um, maybe because every damn challenge ends with building a puzzle? Every. Damn. Challenge. It doesn't matter how you rearrange the obstacle course that precedes it. If one team is terrible at building puzzles, you're going to get the same outcome every time. For the love of all that is holy, they need new challenges.

Have the chickens on this show ever produced any eggs? It seems unlikely under those conditions.

I almost want to call shenanigans on the whole Advantage Journey as a way to save Rome because the show thinks he's good TV. But in any case it's exactly what's wrong with the show nowadays. Nobody can properly strategize anymore because production comes along and throws in some twist that entirely destroys said strategy, leaving the players stuck with only one option. 

I think I'm going to start FF'ing to the end to see who gets voted out before I watch any more of this, because I'm not up for an entire season of The Rome Show. Production may love him, but I do not.

[bioprof]

1 hour ago, tinkerbell said:

12 hours ago, Chalby said:

Last complaint... every time I'm typing a response on my phone, a video pops up right where I need to type, and takes forever to properly close. I despise all these floating windows and crap on primetime.

Same thing happening to me.

I've discarded numerous posts because I couldn't type without opening an ad.

Same thing was happening to me…made it impossible to follow the forums. But I changed my browser ( for Primetimer ) to Opera and problem solved. No pop ups…no videos. Amazing. I use Chrome for everything else.

[fishcakes]

The episode title should have been, "Not it, Rome." 

I'm on the Genevieve Is Stupid team. She's doing what Maria did with Q last season, keeping the unpredictable guy around because she thinks he's loyal to her, not understanding that it only makes her look sketchy by association. I'm also not seeing what the big deal is that Kishan was the first one to mention her name. He wouldn't have if Rome didn't want to threaten Sol into giving up his SITD (Rome understands what "ultimatum" means about as well as Jelinsky understood what "several" means). ROME wanted to give Sol a decoy target, and who else is Kishan going to name? He's not going to say himself or Teeny because it's clear they're each other's number ones. That only leaves Genevieve. And it was Rome who floated Genevieve's name to Sol without telling her first; Kishan's conversation with Sol was about voting out Rome. She's stupid to throw in with Rome because he is loyal to himself, and it's obvious his loyalty to anyone else only goes as far as their willingness to coddle his massive ego.

I read Kyle and Gabe's reaction to Sue saying she's 45, not as them believing her, but as them humoring her. Their faces, to me, were saying, "okay, sure, 45. Good for you. That's great. So so very great and believable." To be honest, I find it hard to believe that she's only 59. I don't want to crack on her too hard because it saddens me that anyone feels like they have to do that to themselves, but I think most women look better and usually younger if they just let themselves age gracefully. There's nothing wrong with fighting the aging process a little, but at some point, you just need to realize that you're not going to be 25 -- or 45 -- ever again and you shouldn't try to be.

But she is, in general, a bad liar. "I tripped. I was attacked by a tree. I ... bit my tongue!" LOL at she bit her tongue. yes, that explains why there's blood in her hair and under her nails and all over the machete handle. Tiyana was so creeped out,I'm surprised she didn't immediately go looking for Kyle to make sure he hadn't been hacked to death.

 

[wintrygal]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

Please tell me they're not going to start naming their secret alliances like they do on Big Brother. Did Allison Grodner invade this show?

Oh, that Jeff doesn't see the irony pointing out how this challenge is going "very similar" to the last one. Um, maybe because every damn challenge ends with building a puzzle? Every. Damn. Challenge. It doesn't matter how you rearrange the obstacle course that precedes it. If one team is terrible at building puzzles, you're going to get the same outcome every time. For the love of all that is holy, they need new challenges.

Have the chickens on this show ever produced any eggs? It seems unlikely under those conditions.

I almost want to call shenanigans on the whole Advantage Journey as a way to save Rome because the show thinks he's good TV. But in any case it's exactly what's wrong with the show nowadays. Nobody can properly strategize anymore because production comes along and throws in some twist that entirely destroys said strategy, leaving the players stuck with only one option. 

I think I'm going to start FF'ing to the end to see who gets voted out before I watch any more of this, because I'm not up for an entire season of The Rome Show. Production may love him, but I do not.

I fast forward quite often on a lot of these shows, especially Survivor, saves a lot of annoyance listening to Jeff trying to maniuplate the process.

 

[Chicago Redshirt]

27 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

The episode title should have been, "Not it, Rome." 

I'm on the Genevieve Is Stupid team. She's doing what Maria did with Q last season, keeping the unpredictable guy around because she thinks he's loyal to her, not understanding that it only makes her look sketchy by association. I'm also not seeing what the big deal is that Kishan was the first one to mention her name. He wouldn't have if Rome didn't want to threaten Sol into giving up his SITD (Rome understands what "ultimatum" means about as well as Jelinsky understood what "several" means). ROME wanted to give Sol a decoy target, and who else is Kishan going to name? He's not going to say himself or Teeny because it's clear they're each other's number ones. That only leaves Genevieve. And it was Rome who floated Genevieve's name to Sol without telling her first; Kishan's conversation with Sol was about voting out Rome. She's stupid to throw in with Rome because he is loyal to himself, and it's obvious his loyalty to anyone else only goes as far as their willingness to coddle his massive ego.

I think Genevieve explicitly said in one of her confessionals that she was concerned about being tied to Rome would mean they would be coming for her next. So she seems savvy to the potential that a tight association with Rome could backfire.

I think that's part of the point of going after Kishan now is what is better for Genevieve's game now. If she had thrown Rome overboard, who does she have on her side on her tribe that she can rely on?

My answer, which could be wrong: No one. She's on the bottom of a four person tribe. Kishan and Teeny are tight, and she's not going to get between that duo. Kishan's already throwing her name around as a "decoy." If the tribe stays together and ends up at Tribal after a Rome boot, how does she avoid getting the boot next?

In the scenario as things played out, she can always flip on Rome at the next tribal and vote him out 3-1 now that he's fresh out of advantages. Sol absolutely will not voluntarily work with Rome. I don't think Teeny would either. Meanwhile, I think that Sol has already shown he's willing to work with Genevieve in going along with this most recent vote, and Teeny probably would too.

As I recall, Rome said in so many words "we need a decoy for my steal the vote ultimatum plan to work" and Kishan said, "What about Genevieve?" So it was Kishan who threw Genevieve's name out. And indeed, Rome was the one who told Genevieve about Kishan's raising the possibility of her as a decoy target. Again, the trouble is many times the decoy target then becomes the actual target.

The fact that Rome told her that her name was thrown out as the decoy, which proved to be true, suggests he deserves a measure of trust.

I don't think we have been shown any indication that Rome is in the market to backstab Genevieve.

(I think Maria was right to keep Q, and would have probably been able to make the move pay off with a million if it were not the shenanigans where multiple people teamed up on the elimination challenge for her to lose.)