Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[AZChristian]

I think TLC should cancel the current version and start a new show:  "Sisterwives No More."  They could alternate episodes (like Kody used to) between Meri, Janelle and Christine.  

And Kody and Robyn can ride off into the sunset together.  For about 20 feet . . . at which time Robyn will turn off into a totally different direction.  She would do that just to get into the "Sisterwives No More" rotation and paychecks.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

I think TLC should cancel the current version and start a new show:  "Sisterwives No More."  They could alternate episodes (like Kody used to) between Meri, Janelle and Christine.  

And Kody and Robyn can ride off into the sunset together.  For about 20 feet . . . at which time Robyn will turn off into a totally different direction.  She would do that just to get into the "Sisterwives No More" rotation and paychecks.

Technically Robyn is a sister wife "no more" herself, but not by choice (at least according to her 😏). So she might actually qualify anyway even if she doesn't leave Kody.

[Fosca]

If Robyn does get into the rotation, I hope she gets paid and Kody doesn't!  I wonder if she'd dump him if she didn't need him for money anymore?

[Denize]

6 hours ago, Gramto6 said:

The only thing that is breaking his heart(?) is the fear that the show is going to go away very soon. 

and he will be in poverty, his worst nightmare!

[Elizzikra]

Quote

If the show is more highly rated than other TLC shows

Isn't that like being the biggest turd in the bowl???

[Orcinus orca]

7 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Isn't that like being the biggest turd in the bowl???

Or as a friend of mine used to say, shit floats.

[Natalie68]

Watched WOACB again.  Her musings today are that shit may be hitting the fan with K and R.  That there is potential of fraud based on their mortgage, either  from having a silent mortgage (loan from Meri and Janelle) or gift paperwork from M and J but it really was a loan and they have a claim to the house.  That on their loan app, they called it a primary residence but on the show they claimed the intent was to rent it out for income once CP was built.  Plus, when they were buying this house, the lender had to look at the 3 OG's finances.  I guess Realtor.com has some article about this but I haven't looked.  There is some covenant signed between the lender and K&R and these items above would be a default and they could lose the house.  She said maybe they were trying to sell it before all of this legal stuff happened so he could pay off the mortgage and not be in danger of default of any kind.  Sounds like someone is looking at their crazy finances.  There was also something about hidden assets.

[Auntie Freeze]

Edit: Janelle's guffaw about 6 pack abs is everything.

Edited October 10, 2024 by Auntie Freeze

[AZChristian]

Meri's official release has been granted by the church, according to today.com. Kody was quoted as saying the bs from the church means nothing to him. 

[Joan of Argh]

On 8/30/2024 at 10:06 AM, Orcinus orca said:

"I feel like the idiot that got left behind".

Trust your feelings, girl.

Exactly, if the shoe fits…  😋

[ginger90]

12 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Watched WOACB again.  Her musings today are that shit may be hitting the fan with K and R.  That there is potential of fraud based on their mortgage, either  from having a silent mortgage (loan from Meri and Janelle) or gift paperwork from M and J but it really was a loan and they have a claim to the house.  That on their loan app, they called it a primary residence but on the show they claimed the intent was to rent it out for income once CP was built.  Plus, when they were buying this house, the lender had to look at the 3 OG's finances.  I guess Realtor.com has some article about this but I haven't looked.  There is some covenant signed between the lender and K&R and these items above would be a default and they could lose the house.  She said maybe they were trying to sell it before all of this legal stuff happened so he could pay off the mortgage and not be in danger of default of any kind.  Sounds like someone is looking at their crazy finances.  There was also something about hidden assets.

Could be my brain but none of this makes any sense.

[AZChristian]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

Could be my brain but none of this makes any sense.

Congratulations.  Your brain is working just fine.  NOTHING any of these people do makes any sense.

[65mickey]

Well if they claimed to the lender that part of the down payment  was a loan from  Meri and Janelle then Meri and Janelle have their proof that they are owned money from K&R. But if they told the lender that it was a gift then Meri and Janelle are SOL. Either way Meri and Janelle would have had to sign some paperwork. I do know if you get money from a loan or a gift for the down payment you have to disclose this to the lender and there is extra paperwork. it shouldn't be that complicated but the fact that there was a shared saving account that probably had all of their names and Kody and Robyn were dipping into it and using this money to qualify for the loan just makes it hard to decipher whose money this was.  I have never understood how these people could qualify for mortgages. 

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Could be my brain but none of this makes any sense.

Right?!

[Teafortwo]

Not sure if this has been mentioned

Spoiler

(have not had time to read this thread) but Aurora and Breanna have joined what seems like a non-denominational Christian (maybe evangelical) church and there are more than a few pictures of them attending church services. They look very happy in the photos - not at all like they seem on the show. I'm glad to know they have an activity that makes them happy and that they've found a community (even though it is not one I would ever choose). 

I hope this post does not break mod rules. I purposely did not divulge

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the name of the church.

 

Edited October 11, 2024 by Teafortwo

[Auntie Freeze]

 

[Auntie Freeze]

To my horror, internet sleuths have discovered that it has indeed snowed significantly in Flagstaff since Garrison's death. Meaning That Scene in episode 4 could easily have been filmed this year. If so, that's reprehensible.

[AZChristian]

4 hours ago, Auntie Freeze said:

To my horror, internet sleuths have discovered that it has indeed snowed significantly in Flagstaff since Garrison's death. Meaning That Scene in episode 4 could easily have been filmed this year. If so, that's reprehensible.

While watching it, I mentioned to Mr. AZC that it almost felt like this was a "damage repair" discussion.  Wouldn't put it past K&R to stage this, but am disgusted at the idea.

[mythoughtis]

On 10/9/2024 at 8:36 PM, Natalie68 said:

Watched WOACB again.  Her musings today are that shit may be hitting the fan with K and R.  That there is potential of fraud based on their mortgage, either  from having a silent mortgage (loan from Meri and Janelle) or gift paperwork from M and J but it really was a loan and they have a claim to the house.  That on their loan app, they called it a primary residence but on the show they claimed the intent was to rent it out for income once CP was built.  Plus, when they were buying this house, the lender had to look at the 3 OG's finances.  I guess Realtor.com has some article about this but I haven't looked.  There is some covenant signed between the lender and K&R and these items above would be a default and they could lose the house.  She said maybe they were trying to sell it before all of this legal stuff happened so he could pay off the mortgage and not be in danger of default of any kind.  Sounds like someone is looking at their crazy finances.  There was also something about hidden assets.

What they intended to do with the house at some future date isn’t important at the time of the loan.  They were moving into it and that makes it their primary residence.  
 

The money from Janelle and Meri should have been disclosed as either a gift or a loan at the time of financing. We gave our son money  to refinance his home.  He ( and we) had to sign a form stating it was a gift.  It’s possible that they didn’t disclose  this - and Janelle wanting her money back and is using  the lack of disclosure in her argument that it was a loan, not a gift. 
 

There would have been no legal basis for the bank to look at the OGs’ finances unless  their names were on the mortgage or the deed.  It’s possible that the down payment came from a joint checking account though.  Which would help Janelle’s argument that her money was used to buy the house. 

[ginger90]

29 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

What they intended to do with the house at some future date isn’t important at the time of the loan.  They were moving into it and that makes it their primary residence.  

Exactly, it’s a bunch of nonsense.

[65mickey]

11 hours ago, Auntie Freeze said:

To my horror, internet sleuths have discovered that it has indeed snowed significantly in Flagstaff since Garrison's death. Meaning That Scene in episode 4 could easily have been filmed this year. If so, that's reprehensible.

I don't understand what this is referring to. Could someone explain?

[AZChristian]

16 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I don't understand what this is referring to. Could someone explain?

Garrison died in March.  There was measurable snow in Flagstaff in April.  It is not impossible for Robyn and Kody to have recorded their outside talk in Episode 4 of this season a month or so after Garrison's death, and then convinced production (always looking for an interesting plot line) to insert it in this episode.  This could have the result of having people think that Kody was softening in his resolve (at Robyn's recommendation) and trying to make amends with his older kids.  

Now everyone would think, "Poor Kody.  He wanted to reunite with his kids, but this horrible tragedy happened before a reconciliation happened."  

Except some of us think that it possibly WAS filmed this year (after Garrison's death) and made to look like it was filmed two years ago, and he did nothing to try to reconcile with his kids until it was - literally - too late for one of them.

Edited October 12, 2024 by AZChristian
Clarifying: I think it's possible it WAS filmed this year and they wanted it to look like it was filmed two years ago. My original words gave the opposite impression.

[surfgirl]

43 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

Except some of us think that it WAS filmed two years ago, and he did nothing to try to reconcile with his kids until it was - literally - too late for one of them.

Can't the video sleuths among us try to determine the timing based on Douche's frontal noodle noggin strands?!?

[AZChristian]

40 minutes ago, surfgirl said:

Can't the video sleuths among us try to determine the timing based on Douche's frontal noodle noggin strands?!?

Maybe why that's wearing that knit hat . . . which we've never seen before or since.

[ginger90]

A theory is that the color jacket he was wearing wasn’t available in the time period (2022) the show is supposed to be at.

[mythoughtis]

Regardless of when the scene was filmed, it did nothing to redeem Kody as far as I was concerned.  If it was filmed this year, then he didn’t learn anything from tragedy- and it makes him look even worse   As far as Robyn , she made sense - but that doesn’t redeem her in my eyes for all the harm she has caused. 

[Yeah No]

I was hoping that Nissan Armada behind them in the scene might help but the model style changed in 2021 and has stayed the same even down to the wheels so it could be from then or later.

[65mickey]

I think that the scene with the kids playing a game and eating apples was filmed more recently. Just based on the size and looks of Ari alone this was not filmed in 2022. It's harder to tell with adults if this was a current video. But based on what Kody said about his children and calling them These People and saying that he was more interested in his relationship with Robyn than mending his relationship with his estranged children I agree he did not come across as having a change of heart. In fact if he spoke that way after Garrison's death he made things worse. But maybe that's why Robyn was almost begging him to call his kids. I don't know. He is just a despicable man. 

[Sasha888]

Take a good look at Solomon in the game playing scene. It's not just Ari who looks way too old - Sol is huge, wearing a hat, and there seems to be a concerted effort to keep him from looking at the camera. Certainly seems suspicious!

The hat bothered me right away, it just seemed off. It could be that they are trying to hide a different haircut that would've given it away or something like that.

If they did film some scenes much more recently, I'm curious as to the motivation. I don't know that production would go along with K & R just wanting to improve their image. I have to wonder if it isn't because they had filmed original footage, but after Garrison's passing, that footage was so inflammatory (probably because of some horrible thing Kody said about his children) that even production agreed that is was just too insensitive to air. Thus, they had to re-shoot.

And, given the chance to re-shoot some footage, K & R decided to revise history (her specialty).

[LotusFlower]

3 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

If they did film some scenes much more recently, I'm curious as to the motivation. I don't know that production would go along with K & R just wanting to improve their image. I have to wonder if it isn't because they had filmed original footage, but after Garrison's passing, that footage was so inflammatory (probably because of some horrible thing Kody said about his children) that even production agreed that is was just too insensitive to air. Thus, they had to re-shoot.

This is a really good theory.  There were SO many things that seemed off about that scene.  First of all, the scene followed the statement saying Kody & Robyn had a blowout fight, and Kody left the house.  But then when he returned, they didn’t seem angry with one another.  Then so much of Robyn’s speech seemed rehearsed, and, as so many have pointed out, out of nowhere.  Since when has Robyn cared about Kody’s relationship with the OG kids?  Then when they were done, they were practically holding hands as they merrily finished the scene.

I really think it was orchestrated by K&R and the producers to further a narrative or somehow fix their reputations.  Which is ridiculous and manipulative if true, and even more so if it was filmed after Garrison’s passing.

[Yeah No]

9 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

If they did film some scenes much more recently, I'm curious as to the motivation. I don't know that production would go along with K & R just wanting to improve their image. I have to wonder if it isn't because they had filmed original footage, but after Garrison's passing, that footage was so inflammatory (probably because of some horrible thing Kody said about his children) that even production agreed that is was just too insensitive to air. Thus, they had to re-shoot.

And, given the chance to re-shoot some footage, K & R decided to revise history (her specialty).

I wouldn't put it past TLC to agree to film new segments to whitewash their image. It's typical "reality show" stuff. I like your theory that it was to replace something that would be too insensitive to air since Garrison's death and they used it as an opportunity to rewrite history.

I didn't notice Garrison in any of the older family footage either unless I missed him. They probably had to go back and edit that footage to eliminate him anyway so the "something insensitive", might have just been a scene with him in it. 

[mythoughtis]

I would think there was plenty of footage shot in similar timeframes to  choose from for a 40 minute show. What takes them so long to edit the show otherwise? If not-they are almost  two years behind. They can show us two weeks worth of film in the same episode rather than one. They don’t need to shoot additional footage to have enough scenes for the season. 

[Joan of Argh]

Saw this on another site, are we supposed to believe these kids got YOUNGER for Thanksgiving?

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, Joan of Argh said:

Saw this on another site, are we supposed to believe these kids got YOUNGER for Thanksgiving?

Wow.  The difference in the two younger kids' appearances is striking.  They aged a lot walking from the dining room into a small cramped room to sit down on the floor to play games.

In an earlier post, I mentioned the messy end table behind them in the Jenga scene. And look at all the stuff piled up on the furniture between them and the table.  Honestly, if you had to cram into that small space to pretend to play a game for the TV show, wouldn't you tidy up the area behind you?  Especially if you know that viewers on website discussion boards have already been talking about what a mess you live in?

[endure]

On 10/11/2024 at 6:06 PM, mythoughtis said:

Regardless of when the scene was filmed, it did nothing to redeem Kody as far as I was concerned.  If it was filmed this year, then he didn’t learn anything from tragedy- and it makes him look even worse   As far as Robyn , she made sense - but that doesn’t redeem her in my eyes for all the harm she has caused. 

There is no redemption for Kody imo, he continues to be the victim in all this yet there's still no effort on his part to accept what he did to destroy his large family.  My TV box had recently recorded the first two seasons.  I just watched the first episode out of curiosity.  I was shocked to realize Robyn was introduced in the first episode, that wasn't my memory of when she arrived.  Their selfish love damaged the lives of so many.  Yet he cries for sympathy for loving only one wife and she cries because she wants to sit on the porch with her sister wives, how bizarre they even continue to show their faces.

[Meow Mix]

11 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I didn't notice Garrison in any of the older family footage either unless I missed him. They probably had to go back and edit that footage to eliminate him anyway so the "something insensitive", might have just been a scene with him in it. 

I would hope they asked Janelle how she wanted to handle Garrison's presence on the show going forward, but that may be giving the producers too much credit.  I just can't wrap my head around a father who after losing a child like this thinks that the best thing to do is film a ridiculous soap opera scene to try and make he and his favorite wife look like the victims.  How does someone even get to that point?

[OldWiseOne]

17 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

This is a really good theory.  There were SO many things that seemed off about that scene.  First of all, the scene followed the statement saying Kody & Robyn had a blowout fight, and Kody left the house.  But then when he returned, they didn’t seem angry with one another.  Then so much of Robyn’s speech seemed rehearsed, and, as so many have pointed out, out of nowhere.  Since when has Robyn cared about Kody’s relationship with the OG kids?  Then when they were done, they were practically holding hands as they merrily finished the scene.

I really think it was orchestrated by K&R and the producers to further a narrative or somehow fix their reputations.  Which is ridiculous and manipulative if true, and even more so if it was filmed after Garrison’s passing.

What a COINCIDENCE that the crew happened to be there filming on a day that Robyn and Kody had a huge fight, and were fortunate enough to arrive just before the aftermath and reconciliation. 

[Shelbie]

1 hour ago, endure said:

she cries because she wants to sit on the porch with her sister wives

Robyn only cries because she thought she had the whole family wrapped around her little finger. I don’t think it ever occurred to her that the first three wives would ever leave and she believed she could swan around being the favourite wife and issue commands on how everyone else had to behave in order to have minutes of Kody’s time.
Jokes on her , the original wives don’t care about seeing him or listening to her anymore.

[Absolom]

Ariella looks more like Robyn every year. 

[precious pupp]

I think Ari looks like Robyn's mother.  Breanna looks more like Robyn, IMO.

[General Days]

 

On 10/11/2024 at 5:21 PM, AZChristian said:

Garrison died in March.  There was measurable snow in Flagstaff in April.  It is not impossible for Robyn and Kody to have recorded their outside talk in Episode 4 of this season a month or so after Garrison's death, and then convinced production (always looking for an interesting plot line) to insert it in this episode.  This could have the result of having people think that Kody was softening in his resolve (at Robyn's recommendation) and trying to make amends with his older kids.

I just want to note, Kody and Robyn didn't film that scene. Look at it. The camera moves from Kody to Robyn and back again. It's professionally shot. I mention that, because if it was all a contrivance to make Kody and Robyn look less bad, production was fully in on that contrivance.

On 10/13/2024 at 1:29 AM, Yeah No said:

I wouldn't put it past TLC to agree to film new segments to whitewash their image. It's typical "reality show" stuff. I like your theory that it was to replace something that would be too insensitive to air since Garrison's death and they used it as an opportunity to rewrite history.

Yup.

23 hours ago, precious pupp said:

I think Ari looks like Robyn's mother.  Breanna looks more like Robyn, IMO.

I think Ari looks like Kody's mother. 

Edited October 14, 2024 by General Days
Removed quote of post I didn't mean to quote

[Absolom]

49 minutes ago, General Days said:

I just want to note, Kody and Robyn didn't film that scene. Look at it. The camera moves from Kody to Robyn and back again. It's professionally shot. I mention that, because if it was all a contrivance to make Kody and Robyn look less bad, production was fully in on that contrivance.

It's more unreality being served to the viewers by TLC.  They probably need to keep people from absolutely despising Kody and Robyn to the point of being so disgusted by them that they quit watching.

[goofygirl]

I've noticed  since Garrison's death, that the pictures of the family they show are without him in them at all.  It's like they're trying to disappear him or something.   Weird.

I LOL'd at the Douchecanoe saying to the camera last night "It's YOUR fault I didn't love you!" about Meri.  He also seemed to say that when he DOES love a woman, that it's HER fault he loves her.  So there ya go.  He has NO responsibility for his own ridiculous thoughts and actions.  He's a hopeless fool.  Can't say I'm sorry that Sobbyn has him all to herself these days!

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, goofygirl said:

I've noticed  since Garrison's death, that the pictures of the family they show are without him in them at all.  It's like they're trying to disappear him or something.   Weird.

I think he has been in pictures, unless I dreamt that.

I’m thinking there was a request made that he not be shown in any filmed scenes, if he was in any, since the airing dates are after his passing.

[BAForever]

5 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I think he has been in pictures, unless I dreamt that.

I’m thinking there was a request made that he not be shown in any filmed scenes, if he was in any, since the airing dates are after his passing.

That's the way I think too @ginger90. I think I've seen him once or twice in group pictures, but not in filming. Praying TLC honored family requests. The BSOJ at the beginning of premiere gave me hope of that. 

[General Days]

What does "BSOJ" stand for, @BAForever?

[BAForever]

14 minutes ago, General Days said:

What does "BSOJ" stand for, @BAForever?

It's an old acronym for the  "Black Screen of Justice" which gives updates- I think I first heard it on Television Without Pity. Always needed it for episodes of Intervention. 

[mythoughtis]

Sharp eyed people have seen Garrison’s reflection in shiny appliances etc in certain scenes. The breakfast scene with Gabriel and Janelle.  I would guess that the family has requested this respect.  Although I also think that many of the producers and film crew have known Garrison since he was a child.  They are human too you know. 

[General Days]

Thanks, @BAForever.

 

10 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Sharp eyed people have seen Garrison’s reflection in shiny appliances etc in certain scenes. The breakfast scene with Gabriel and Janelle.  I would guess that the family has requested this respect.  Although I also think that many of the producers and film crew have known Garrison since he was a child.  They are human too you know. 

 

Generally speaking, the production has always tried to respect the Browns as humans and as a family. This hasn't really been a Let's Get Our Subjects In The Most Humiliating Situations Possible kind of reality show. 

I fully expect that if they had footage of Garrison and the Browns asked them not to use it, that they would comply. I'm sure the producers and crew were heartbroken at Garrison's passing. They've known him, in person, since he was a little boy. 

[BAForever]

12 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Sharp eyed people have seen Garrison’s reflection in shiny appliances etc in certain scenes. The breakfast scene with Gabriel and Janelle.  I would guess that the family has requested this respect.  Although I also think that many of the producers and film crew have known Garrison since he was a child.  They are human too you know. 

Agree that members of the crew were probably deeply saddened with the news. Calling possible shenanigans on the Garrison sighting in tv reflection. Saw the photo somewhere, might be some good photos hopefully or other digital manipulation. I can see someone doing that for the publicity.