Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[LilyD]

It may be one of TLC’s highest rated shows now, but the footage seems to be from 2022. So the contract for this particular season was likely signed some time in 2021 when the world was still dealing with (the aftermath of) Covid 19. 

That wasn’t the best time for film contracts with fat pays. And the show’s popularity was in a steady decline at the time. So, whatever they got paid for this season; it can’t have been much. 

Edited September 30 by LilyD

[Orcinus orca]

In what universe would each episode of this trash be worth $200K?  They would have to charge way too much for commercials to cover that kind of salary.

[GeeGolly]

Reality show pay is one of the best kept secrets. They don't pay a lot, but they pay enough to improve the participants' lives.

• John & Kate + 8/Kate + 8 went from a 3 bedroom home to a McMansion.
• The Bates and Duggars no longer struggled with money.
• The families on Life Below Zero all made enough money to vastly improve their lives.

Granted the Browns' set-up was, and is, different with 5 adults and 18 kids, but they went from a 3 family home to 4 McMansions and K&R are now living in a million dollar home. Selling guns and jewelry doesn't make that much.

[LilyD]

Just read on the internet that Janelle has taken the heart-breaking decision to sell Garrison’s house. (It was published on the Hollywood gossip a few days ago)

If this is true, I really, really hope that that lady who toured R&K’s house and put it on tiktok has the decency to not pull such a stunt here….

[LotusFlower]

12 hours ago, LilyD said:

Just read on the internet that Janelle has taken the heart-breaking decision to sell Garrison’s house. (It was published on the Hollywood gossip a few days ago)

If this is true, I really, really hope that that lady who toured R&K’s house and put it on tiktok has the decency to not pull such a stunt here….

Doubtful there will be an open house. 

[Denize]

Unlike Robyn's mansion, the condo townhouse has central air, public water & sewer (no cistern to fill or septic tank to clean out), natural gas heat, water tank & fireplace (no propane tank to be filled), centrally located so it is already connected to the city's electricity, cable & telephone systems for only $425,000! 4 beds, 2 baths.

There are more than enough photos and 360 degree views in the listing to see everything, including the interior cat door and wall map. The townhouse is pretty basic, but would make a good income property to rent to students or starter home for a family.

 

Edited October 3 by Denize

[ginger90]

12 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Doubtful there will be an open house. 

It wasn’t an open house when the tour of Robyn’s was filmed. I’m nosey, but that wasn’t right.

[LotusFlower]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

It wasn’t an open house when the tour of Robyn’s was filmed. I’m nosey, but that wasn’t right.

No?  What was it?  I think I read that her friend scheduled an appointment?  But there seemed to be other people in the house, and she and her friend seemed to be off on their own. 

[Pickleinthemiddle]

2 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

No?  What was it?  I think I read that her friend scheduled an appointment?  But there seemed to be other people in the house, and she and her friend seemed to be off on their own. 

Agree.  Any time my parents ever looked at a house that was being lived in the realtor had to stay with you as you went from room to room.  You had to stay together as a group.  

[b2H]

On 9/30/2024 at 4:32 PM, LilyD said:

It may be one of TLC’s highest rated shows now, but the footage seems to be from 2022. So the contract for this particular season was likely signed some time in 2021 when the world was still dealing with (the aftermath of) Covid 19. 

That wasn’t the best time for film contracts with fat pays. And the show’s popularity was in a steady decline at the time. So, whatever they got paid for this season; it can’t have been much. 

But is it a highly rated show now?  The entire genre of Reality has taken a hit, but this season on SW is so bad, I cannot imagine they have a huge audience anymore.

[LilyD]

According to a few other posters out here, the new SW season is one of the highest-rated on the TLC network at the moment. 

I agree, it's a horrible season, but it has been like that for years if you ask me. I can see people tune back in though. Generally, people love a good train wreck and there's more than enough drama to keep people entertained. 

[MaryMitch]

2 hours ago, LilyD said:

I agree, it's a horrible season, but it has been like that for years if you ask me. I can see people tune back in though. Generally, people love a good train wreck and there's more than enough drama to keep people entertained. 

I stopped watching when they were in Las Vegas, then picked up again last season to watch the train wreck. I've watched the first couple episodes, but I'd like to see some progress in their lives, and I haven't seen anything new so far.

[goofygirl]

I'm still trying to figure why Kodouche keeps saying he's "heartbroken"....  Hell, Douchie, did you really think the other 3 wives were just gonna keep taking what little crumbs you threw them FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES???

Also, why would you be heartbroken when you have admitted time and again that the only one you "love" is Sobbyn??

Shouldn't you be glad you don't have to "perform" anymore???

WHAT A DOUCHECANOE!!!!

[precious pupp]

4 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

I'm still trying to figure why Kodouche keeps saying he's "heartbroken"....  Hell, Douchie, did you really think the other 3 wives were just gonna keep taking what little crumbs you threw them FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES???

Also, why would you be heartbroken when you have admitted time and again that the only one you "love" is Sobbyn??

Shouldn't you be glad you don't have to "perform" anymore???

WHAT A DOUCHECANOE!!!!

Applauding like crazy!  Great post.

[Gramto6]

51 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

I'm still trying to figure why Kodouche keeps saying he's "heartbroken"....  Hell, Douchie, did you really think the other 3 wives were just gonna keep taking what little crumbs you threw them FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES???

Also, why would you be heartbroken when you have admitted time and again that the only one you "love" is Sobbyn??

Shouldn't you be glad you don't have to "perform" anymore???

WHAT A DOUCHECANOE!!!!

The only thing that is breaking his heart(?) is the fear that the show is going to go away very soon. Just maybe his pea brain is realizing it is his fault for pushing the OG3 away? Thus leaving no Sister Wives for a show!!

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Gramto6 said:

The only thing that is breaking his heart(?) is the fear that the show is going to go away very soon. Just maybe his pea brain is realizing it is his fault for pushing the OG3 away? Thus leaving no Sister Wives for a show!!

I don't think he or any of them have much to worry about. If the show is more highly rated than other TLC shows the network is going to work with them to find ways to squeeze every last bit of drama out of their situation, including the breakup and its repercussions. They're two years behind because they're moving at a snail's pace and going over the same crap 50 times to stretch it out as long as they can.

This season is a case in point. There's nothing we haven't seen or heard here before other than a few incidental things that have explained some of the background. But everyone's complaining that it's in general nothing new. And that's probably intentional. And it looks like despite all that the ratings are still high for the network, probably because people love a good train wreck and are hoping to see something they didn't see the first 3 times. If they moved the storyline too quickly they'd exhaust the story faster. But they're running the risk of going TOO slow this season and it might get old and boring after a while. They're going to have to move ahead into the future at some point or the audience will tune out.

Also, this group is up to date on what's happened in the two years since what's airing right now and maybe a lot of the audience isn't, so perhaps it's all much newer and not as boring for them as for us.

Edited October 5 by Yeah No

[AZChristian]

I think TLC should cancel the current version and start a new show:  "Sisterwives No More."  They could alternate episodes (like Kody used to) between Meri, Janelle and Christine.  

And Kody and Robyn can ride off into the sunset together.  For about 20 feet . . . at which time Robyn will turn off into a totally different direction.  She would do that just to get into the "Sisterwives No More" rotation and paychecks.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

I think TLC should cancel the current version and start a new show:  "Sisterwives No More."  They could alternate episodes (like Kody used to) between Meri, Janelle and Christine.  

And Kody and Robyn can ride off into the sunset together.  For about 20 feet . . . at which time Robyn will turn off into a totally different direction.  She would do that just to get into the "Sisterwives No More" rotation and paychecks.

Technically Robyn is a sister wife "no more" herself, but not by choice (at least according to her 😏). So she might actually qualify anyway even if she doesn't leave Kody.

[Fosca]

If Robyn does get into the rotation, I hope she gets paid and Kody doesn't!  I wonder if she'd dump him if she didn't need him for money anymore?

[Denize]

6 hours ago, Gramto6 said:

The only thing that is breaking his heart(?) is the fear that the show is going to go away very soon. 

and he will be in poverty, his worst nightmare!

[Elizzikra]

Quote

If the show is more highly rated than other TLC shows

Isn't that like being the biggest turd in the bowl???

[Orcinus orca]

7 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Isn't that like being the biggest turd in the bowl???

Or as a friend of mine used to say, shit floats.

[Natalie68]

Watched WOACB again.  Her musings today are that shit may be hitting the fan with K and R.  That there is potential of fraud based on their mortgage, either  from having a silent mortgage (loan from Meri and Janelle) or gift paperwork from M and J but it really was a loan and they have a claim to the house.  That on their loan app, they called it a primary residence but on the show they claimed the intent was to rent it out for income once CP was built.  Plus, when they were buying this house, the lender had to look at the 3 OG's finances.  I guess Realtor.com has some article about this but I haven't looked.  There is some covenant signed between the lender and K&R and these items above would be a default and they could lose the house.  She said maybe they were trying to sell it before all of this legal stuff happened so he could pay off the mortgage and not be in danger of default of any kind.  Sounds like someone is looking at their crazy finances.  There was also something about hidden assets.

[Auntie Freeze]

Edit: Janelle's guffaw about 6 pack abs is everything.

Edited October 10 by Auntie Freeze

[AZChristian]

Meri's official release has been granted by the church, according to today.com. Kody was quoted as saying the bs from the church means nothing to him. 

[Joan of Argh]

On 8/30/2024 at 10:06 AM, Orcinus orca said:

"I feel like the idiot that got left behind".

Trust your feelings, girl.

Exactly, if the shoe fits…  😋

[ginger90]

12 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Watched WOACB again.  Her musings today are that shit may be hitting the fan with K and R.  That there is potential of fraud based on their mortgage, either  from having a silent mortgage (loan from Meri and Janelle) or gift paperwork from M and J but it really was a loan and they have a claim to the house.  That on their loan app, they called it a primary residence but on the show they claimed the intent was to rent it out for income once CP was built.  Plus, when they were buying this house, the lender had to look at the 3 OG's finances.  I guess Realtor.com has some article about this but I haven't looked.  There is some covenant signed between the lender and K&R and these items above would be a default and they could lose the house.  She said maybe they were trying to sell it before all of this legal stuff happened so he could pay off the mortgage and not be in danger of default of any kind.  Sounds like someone is looking at their crazy finances.  There was also something about hidden assets.

Could be my brain but none of this makes any sense.

[AZChristian]

1 minute ago, ginger90 said:

Could be my brain but none of this makes any sense.

Congratulations.  Your brain is working just fine.  NOTHING any of these people do makes any sense.

[65mickey]

Well if they claimed to the lender that part of the down payment  was a loan from  Meri and Janelle then Meri and Janelle have their proof that they are owned money from K&R. But if they told the lender that it was a gift then Meri and Janelle are SOL. Either way Meri and Janelle would have had to sign some paperwork. I do know if you get money from a loan or a gift for the down payment you have to disclose this to the lender and there is extra paperwork. it shouldn't be that complicated but the fact that there was a shared saving account that probably had all of their names and Kody and Robyn were dipping into it and using this money to qualify for the loan just makes it hard to decipher whose money this was.  I have never understood how these people could qualify for mortgages. 

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Could be my brain but none of this makes any sense.

Right?!

[Teafortwo]

Not sure if this has been mentioned

Spoiler

(have not had time to read this thread) but Aurora and Breanna have joined what seems like a non-denominational Christian (maybe evangelical) church and there are more than a few pictures of them attending church services. They look very happy in the photos - not at all like they seem on the show. I'm glad to know they have an activity that makes them happy and that they've found a community (even though it is not one I would ever choose). 

I hope this post does not break mod rules. I purposely did not divulge

Spoiler

the name of the church.

 

Edited October 11 by Teafortwo

[Auntie Freeze]

 

[Auntie Freeze]

To my horror, internet sleuths have discovered that it has indeed snowed significantly in Flagstaff since Garrison's death. Meaning That Scene in episode 4 could easily have been filmed this year. If so, that's reprehensible.

[AZChristian]

4 hours ago, Auntie Freeze said:

To my horror, internet sleuths have discovered that it has indeed snowed significantly in Flagstaff since Garrison's death. Meaning That Scene in episode 4 could easily have been filmed this year. If so, that's reprehensible.

While watching it, I mentioned to Mr. AZC that it almost felt like this was a "damage repair" discussion.  Wouldn't put it past K&R to stage this, but am disgusted at the idea.

[mythoughtis]

On 10/9/2024 at 8:36 PM, Natalie68 said:

Watched WOACB again.  Her musings today are that shit may be hitting the fan with K and R.  That there is potential of fraud based on their mortgage, either  from having a silent mortgage (loan from Meri and Janelle) or gift paperwork from M and J but it really was a loan and they have a claim to the house.  That on their loan app, they called it a primary residence but on the show they claimed the intent was to rent it out for income once CP was built.  Plus, when they were buying this house, the lender had to look at the 3 OG's finances.  I guess Realtor.com has some article about this but I haven't looked.  There is some covenant signed between the lender and K&R and these items above would be a default and they could lose the house.  She said maybe they were trying to sell it before all of this legal stuff happened so he could pay off the mortgage and not be in danger of default of any kind.  Sounds like someone is looking at their crazy finances.  There was also something about hidden assets.

What they intended to do with the house at some future date isn’t important at the time of the loan.  They were moving into it and that makes it their primary residence.  
 

The money from Janelle and Meri should have been disclosed as either a gift or a loan at the time of financing. We gave our son money  to refinance his home.  He ( and we) had to sign a form stating it was a gift.  It’s possible that they didn’t disclose  this - and Janelle wanting her money back and is using  the lack of disclosure in her argument that it was a loan, not a gift. 
 

There would have been no legal basis for the bank to look at the OGs’ finances unless  their names were on the mortgage or the deed.  It’s possible that the down payment came from a joint checking account though.  Which would help Janelle’s argument that her money was used to buy the house. 

[ginger90]

29 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

What they intended to do with the house at some future date isn’t important at the time of the loan.  They were moving into it and that makes it their primary residence.  

Exactly, it’s a bunch of nonsense.

[65mickey]

11 hours ago, Auntie Freeze said:

To my horror, internet sleuths have discovered that it has indeed snowed significantly in Flagstaff since Garrison's death. Meaning That Scene in episode 4 could easily have been filmed this year. If so, that's reprehensible.

I don't understand what this is referring to. Could someone explain?

[AZChristian]

16 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I don't understand what this is referring to. Could someone explain?

Garrison died in March.  There was measurable snow in Flagstaff in April.  It is not impossible for Robyn and Kody to have recorded their outside talk in Episode 4 of this season a month or so after Garrison's death, and then convinced production (always looking for an interesting plot line) to insert it in this episode.  This could have the result of having people think that Kody was softening in his resolve (at Robyn's recommendation) and trying to make amends with his older kids.  

Now everyone would think, "Poor Kody.  He wanted to reunite with his kids, but this horrible tragedy happened before a reconciliation happened."  

Except some of us think that it possibly WAS filmed this year (after Garrison's death) and made to look like it was filmed two years ago, and he did nothing to try to reconcile with his kids until it was - literally - too late for one of them.

Edited October 12 by AZChristian
Clarifying: I think it's possible it WAS filmed this year and they wanted it to look like it was filmed two years ago. My original words gave the opposite impression.

[surfgirl]

43 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

Except some of us think that it WAS filmed two years ago, and he did nothing to try to reconcile with his kids until it was - literally - too late for one of them.

Can't the video sleuths among us try to determine the timing based on Douche's frontal noodle noggin strands?!?

[AZChristian]

40 minutes ago, surfgirl said:

Can't the video sleuths among us try to determine the timing based on Douche's frontal noodle noggin strands?!?

Maybe why that's wearing that knit hat . . . which we've never seen before or since.

[ginger90]

A theory is that the color jacket he was wearing wasn’t available in the time period (2022) the show is supposed to be at.

[mythoughtis]

Regardless of when the scene was filmed, it did nothing to redeem Kody as far as I was concerned.  If it was filmed this year, then he didn’t learn anything from tragedy- and it makes him look even worse   As far as Robyn , she made sense - but that doesn’t redeem her in my eyes for all the harm she has caused. 

[Yeah No]

I was hoping that Nissan Armada behind them in the scene might help but the model style changed in 2021 and has stayed the same even down to the wheels so it could be from then or later.

[65mickey]

I think that the scene with the kids playing a game and eating apples was filmed more recently. Just based on the size and looks of Ari alone this was not filmed in 2022. It's harder to tell with adults if this was a current video. But based on what Kody said about his children and calling them These People and saying that he was more interested in his relationship with Robyn than mending his relationship with his estranged children I agree he did not come across as having a change of heart. In fact if he spoke that way after Garrison's death he made things worse. But maybe that's why Robyn was almost begging him to call his kids. I don't know. He is just a despicable man. 

[Sasha888]

Take a good look at Solomon in the game playing scene. It's not just Ari who looks way too old - Sol is huge, wearing a hat, and there seems to be a concerted effort to keep him from looking at the camera. Certainly seems suspicious!

The hat bothered me right away, it just seemed off. It could be that they are trying to hide a different haircut that would've given it away or something like that.

If they did film some scenes much more recently, I'm curious as to the motivation. I don't know that production would go along with K & R just wanting to improve their image. I have to wonder if it isn't because they had filmed original footage, but after Garrison's passing, that footage was so inflammatory (probably because of some horrible thing Kody said about his children) that even production agreed that is was just too insensitive to air. Thus, they had to re-shoot.

And, given the chance to re-shoot some footage, K & R decided to revise history (her specialty).

[LotusFlower]

3 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

If they did film some scenes much more recently, I'm curious as to the motivation. I don't know that production would go along with K & R just wanting to improve their image. I have to wonder if it isn't because they had filmed original footage, but after Garrison's passing, that footage was so inflammatory (probably because of some horrible thing Kody said about his children) that even production agreed that is was just too insensitive to air. Thus, they had to re-shoot.

This is a really good theory.  There were SO many things that seemed off about that scene.  First of all, the scene followed the statement saying Kody & Robyn had a blowout fight, and Kody left the house.  But then when he returned, they didn’t seem angry with one another.  Then so much of Robyn’s speech seemed rehearsed, and, as so many have pointed out, out of nowhere.  Since when has Robyn cared about Kody’s relationship with the OG kids?  Then when they were done, they were practically holding hands as they merrily finished the scene.

I really think it was orchestrated by K&R and the producers to further a narrative or somehow fix their reputations.  Which is ridiculous and manipulative if true, and even more so if it was filmed after Garrison’s passing.

[Yeah No]

9 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

If they did film some scenes much more recently, I'm curious as to the motivation. I don't know that production would go along with K & R just wanting to improve their image. I have to wonder if it isn't because they had filmed original footage, but after Garrison's passing, that footage was so inflammatory (probably because of some horrible thing Kody said about his children) that even production agreed that is was just too insensitive to air. Thus, they had to re-shoot.

And, given the chance to re-shoot some footage, K & R decided to revise history (her specialty).

I wouldn't put it past TLC to agree to film new segments to whitewash their image. It's typical "reality show" stuff. I like your theory that it was to replace something that would be too insensitive to air since Garrison's death and they used it as an opportunity to rewrite history.

I didn't notice Garrison in any of the older family footage either unless I missed him. They probably had to go back and edit that footage to eliminate him anyway so the "something insensitive", might have just been a scene with him in it. 

[mythoughtis]

I would think there was plenty of footage shot in similar timeframes to  choose from for a 40 minute show. What takes them so long to edit the show otherwise? If not-they are almost  two years behind. They can show us two weeks worth of film in the same episode rather than one. They don’t need to shoot additional footage to have enough scenes for the season. 

[Joan of Argh]

Saw this on another site, are we supposed to believe these kids got YOUNGER for Thanksgiving?

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, Joan of Argh said:

Saw this on another site, are we supposed to believe these kids got YOUNGER for Thanksgiving?

Wow.  The difference in the two younger kids' appearances is striking.  They aged a lot walking from the dining room into a small cramped room to sit down on the floor to play games.

In an earlier post, I mentioned the messy end table behind them in the Jenga scene. And look at all the stuff piled up on the furniture between them and the table.  Honestly, if you had to cram into that small space to pretend to play a game for the TV show, wouldn't you tidy up the area behind you?  Especially if you know that viewers on website discussion boards have already been talking about what a mess you live in?