Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[Teafortwo]

On 9/16/2023 at 2:40 PM, Teafortwo said:

Speculation here: viewers seem to be tiring of the "Kody and Robyn" show, the scenes with Kody and his bros, and so forth. If the show doesn't step it up, I think we're looking at ratings cratering. I'm beginning to think this will be the last season, with TLC using any remaining footage for something like a "wedding special" featuring Christine and David, with Kody's butt-hurt reactions.

I just don't see how the show can continue, after this week's dreadful episode. We'll see Avalon's birth soon but it's gonna feature Robyn casting a pall over the blessed event. With most of the OG kids not participating (which is more than understandable, and certainly healthier for them in the long run) and the adults with not much left to say about polygamy and each other, there's not much content of any interest whatsoever.

I love Truely scenes but I hope she puts her foot down and refuses to pander to her parents' need for underage kid content. I wish Sol would be able to do so as well, but alas it seems he doesn't have much choice but to do what he's told.

 

Omg lol I completely forgot until today (when I was in the shower, of all things) that we already saw Avalon's birth last season. I forget when the twins were born - maybe Nov 2022?

[General Days]

6 minutes ago, Sedona said:

Kody and Robyn own the house. 

I think @BnJJ is talking about the Air BnB Janelle and Christine rented over Christmastime. There were big pictures on the wall, but in Janelle's footage from Christmas morning, they were blurred out.

[HoneyBeach]

On 9/16/2023 at 10:44 AM, Joan of Argh said:

Yes not real subtle that’s for sure… like the little clam  😂

Don't forget the pencil!!

[ginger90]

16 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

My sister has been a realtor for 30+ years and the first advice she gives clients is to remove any clutter, knickknacks or art that’s of a personal preference or nature.

It’s funny to me that Janelle the realtor was showing her house with the horses still hanging. 🔥 

[Roslyn]

19 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

The one of the deer looks like it could be 39x49 to me, it looks close to the same length as the desk below.

as far as if it’s a giclee or not, I have no idea

someone on Reddit was investigating it and I guess Kush has a gallery in Vegas…. I didn’t delve that deeply into it because I was having more fun just imagining Robyn or Kody buying surreal art 😋

 

I can easily picture Kody feeling like he "deserves nice things" because he is an "entrepreneur" and "teevee" star. I just don't see him buying these massive paintings as cheap printed posters and then having those very expensive frames. I can also see him being talked into what an investment it is to own these fancy prints and so he buys more. Someone on Reddit commented that Kody tweeted years ago about this artist.

I recently bought a lovely little original watercolor and wanted a nice frame and was blown away at the cost of a proper frame, even a small one. Those frames are very expensive. Unlike the poorly framed "sexy photo" from Robyn's bedroom...that frame screams Hobby Lobby.

[xwordfanatik]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

It’s funny to me that Janelle the realtor was showing her house with the horses still hanging. 🔥 

Ah yes, the horses with ass-fire!  Giddyup!

[Natalie68]

On 9/16/2023 at 8:26 AM, Joan of Argh said:

The part that gets me is the books stacked up on the right all have faces staring at the “lady” book just waiting for her pages to “spread” open, the book face second from bottom even has his tongue hanging out !  😂😂😂

All I got is their taste in art is outrageously bad.  I guess someone has to like it.  

When watching Truly etc at 2nd Xmas, it looked to me as if Robyn's crew doesn't know how to take the 'quirky kids' of Christine.  You know, the ones with a personality!  Solemon looks like her would rather live anywhere else.  I think he would do well in the quietness of Meri's house.  Aereola looks a little too grabby with her brother.  

[Joan of Argh]

2 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Ah yes, the horses with ass-fire!  Giddyup!

A couple days ago Princess Diana’s “Black Sheep” sweater sold for over a million dollars…. I think Janelle should call Sotheby’s and offer up the “Ass Fire Horses” 

she needs money and maybe she’s sitting on a gold mine!  😂

[Natalie68]

On 9/16/2023 at 8:08 PM, Orcinus orca said:

I think Sobbyn is one of those saps that falls for "this is a collectors item and will be worth a fortune" stories.  Think Cabbage Patch Dolls and Beanie Babies.  You can't give that crap away. I expect she thinks her Precious Moments collection will bring in big bucks down the line along with the Dickens Village.

Bad news, as soon as something is labled a collectors item, it isn't.  People snatch them up and ultimately they are pretty much worthless.

Art might be an exception. Personally I think that stuff on her walls is awful.

I watched a Hoarders ep where one of the women had all of the Dicken's Villages and other Department 56 brand themed things (thousands!).  She thought they were going to be worth a ton.  The auction guy said no one collects that stuff anymore and was going to give her a very small amount of $.  

[Joan of Argh]

6 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I watched a Hoarders ep where one of the women had all of the Dicken's Villages and other Department 56 brand themed things (thousands!).  She thought they were going to be worth a ton.  The auction guy said no one collects that stuff anymore and was going to give her a very small amount of $.  

Exactly, I watched a show can’t remember which one but they were saying as the popularity of tiny homes and living in small spaces has gained momentum a lot of the collecting market has taken a huge hit.

People aren’t willing to provide valuable square footage to house a lot of knick knacks and junk!

[Natalie68]

4 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

Exactly, I watched a show can’t remember which one but they were saying as the popularity of tiny homes and living in small spaces has gained momentum a lot of the collecting market has taken a huge hit.

People aren’t willing to provide valuable square footage to house a lot of knick knacks and junk!

And Swedish Death Cleaning!  

[Joan of Argh]

3 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

And Swedish Death Cleaning!  

yes that too!! 😂😂😂

[xwordfanatik]

3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I watched a Hoarders ep where one of the women had all of the Dicken's Villages and other Department 56 brand themed things (thousands!).  She thought they were going to be worth a ton.  The auction guy said no one collects that stuff anymore and was going to give her a very small amount of $.  

Laughing at Sobbyn's collection being devalued, not the Hoarders person (I haven't watched that show in a couple of years.)  Poor Sobbyn, I doubt "the tenders" won't get their colleges paid for with that Dicken's Village stuff, or her Precious Moments doodads.  

Time to get a rill job, Sobbyn.  Gravy train is getting very near the end.  😜

[Teri313]

4 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

Exactly, I watched a show can’t remember which one but they were saying as the popularity of tiny homes and living in small spaces has gained momentum a lot of the collecting market has taken a huge hit.

People aren’t willing to provide valuable square footage to house a lot of knick knacks and junk!

I think that the internet has also taken a huge toll on the value of "collectibles" that were being pushed in the 1970-1990s. If you do a search for Precious Moments on ebay, you'll find 110,000 results. Search for beanie babies and there are 490,000 results! And the prices obviously reflect the oversaturation of the market for that stuff. There is too much inventory and it's too easy to find, and it was all a manipulation to begin with.

[Roslyn]

To quote Mel Brooks...

"Merchandising Merchandising Merchandising"

It's all in the marketing schemes.

Sister Wives the flame thrower!!  The kids love that one...

[General Days]

1 hour ago, Roslyn said:

Sister Wives the flame thrower!!  The kids love that one...

I might buy that.

[Elizzikra]

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Sister Wives the flame thrower!! 

There's so much potential:

Silver handled kidney knives.

Robyn's eyebrow stencils

Meri's throw blanket scarf

Christine's recipe book

Aurora's earring line

It really goes on and on...

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

On 9/16/2023 at 7:55 AM, Joan of Argh said:

Here’s another work of art by Robyn’s favorite artist…. 
Remember all those boxes of Kodys books at Christine’s house? … I think Robyn keeps Kody interested in books a different way.. 😎

Yikes, I didn't know books can steal your cookie now, damn I better watch out for my Kindle. battery and all

[ginger90]

According to someone who watches Mykelti’s Patreon, she said she asked that Meri not be included in “2nd Christmas “.

[altopower]

22 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

According to someone who watches Mykelti’s Patreon, she said she asked that Meri not be included in “2nd Christmas “.

Well, now, isn't that interesting. I wonder why?  I was expecting it to be Kody or Robyn's idea to leave her out, but then they didn't include Savanah either, and I did expect that. Clearly I don't know anything about these people.

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, altopower said:

Well, now, isn't that interesting. I wonder why?  I was expecting it to be Kody or Robyn's idea to leave her out, but then they didn't include Savanah either, and I did expect that. Clearly I don't know anything about these people.

Mykelti has no use for Meri. She has said she will not have her involved in her children’s lives.

[altopower]

3 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Mykelti has no use for Meri. She has said she will not have her involved in her children’s lives.

So she therefore vetoed Meri from having a Christmas with Ysabel and Truley as well. I do not like Mykelti at all. Don't like Meri much either, but possibly I'll like her better after she's in Parawon and makes the break. But I really don't like Mykelti.

[Sandy W]

3 minutes ago, altopower said:

So she therefore vetoed Meri from having a Christmas with Ysabel and Truley as well. I do not like Mykelti at all. Don't like Meri much either, but possibly I'll like her better after she's in Parawon and makes the break. But I really don't like Mykelti.

In Meri's position, I may have texted all the kids that were in town at the time and invited them to a holiday brunch or lunch.

To know where she stood, she could have asked for a quick RSVP to make reservations. Even if the event were to happen at Meri's own home, it would give her an idea if how many (if any) to prepare for.

[Ms.Lulu]

17 minutes ago, altopower said:

So she therefore vetoed Meri from having a Christmas with Ysabel and Truley as well. I do not like Mykelti at all. Don't like Meri much either, but possibly I'll like her better after she's in Parawon and makes the break. But I really don't like Mykelti.

I believe Paedon shared that Meri was abusive to Mykelti (and others of Christine's kids). And Christine has indicated that Meri was too severe with her children. Paedon also said something to the effect of Robyn coming into the family might have saved lives.

If this is the case, Mykelti absolutely has the right to say she doesn't want her abuser around.

[Orcinus orca]

6 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

If this is the case, Mykelti absolutely has the right to say she doesn't want her abuser around.

The problem with Mykelti is that she plays both sides against the middle. I don't trust her at all.

[DanaMB]

Saw a commercial for next week’s episode. That asshat is laughing as he tells Janelle the last time the talked it didn’t go well. I hate him so much. 

[Ms.Lulu]

He won't be laughing when Janelle says she doesn't want to reconcile.

But I will.

🤣

[Teafortwo]

8 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

There's so much potential:

Silver handled kidney knives.

Robyn's eyebrow stencils

Meri's throw blanket scarf

Christine's recipe book

Aurora's earring line

It really goes on and on...

I would buy the ass-fire horses.

[Joan of Argh]

3 hours ago, Teafortwo said:

I would buy the ass-fire horses.

You’ll have to mud wrestle me and @xwordfanatik for them!!!  😂

Edited September 20, 2023 by Joan of Argh
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[Mahamid Frauded Me]

So maybe someone was paying more attention than me. But if I understand correctly, that they could not build until the lots were paid off. I remember that I thought they paid for 2 lots outright and mortgaged the other two. So if that was the case, Janelle could have started to build something even a few years ago correct? 

[Sandy W]

21 minutes ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

So maybe someone was paying more attention than me. But if I understand correctly, that they could not build until the lots were paid off. I remember that I thought they paid for 2 lots outright and mortgaged the other two. So if that was the case, Janelle could have started to build something even a few years ago correct? 

I think the major issue was running the services to the lots.  Janelle may not have been prepared to undertake this expense on her own.

Then Kody threw a monkey wrench into the plan by deciding he wanted to subdivide the 4 lots into 5. This could not happen until all the lots were paid off. 

In any case, I doubt Janelle could have got zoning approval for the tiny casita she proposed building.

[Kellyee]

 

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I believe Paedon shared that Meri was abusive to Mykelti (and others of Christine's kids). And Christine has indicated that Meri was too severe with her children. Paedon also said something to the effect of Robyn coming into the family might have saved lives.

But Paedon was also allegedly abusive to Gwen, so he can't be trusted either. And Christine is working her own agenda around Meri and Robyn to make herself look better. None of these people can really be trusted. The whole situation is so messed up. 

[goofygirl]

On 9/19/2023 at 8:44 PM, DanaMB said:

Saw a commercial for next week’s episode. That asshat is laughing as he tells Janelle the last time the talked it didn’t go well. I hate him so much. 

And,the shocked look on his face when Janelle says she wants to remain separated is good.  Like it might have JUST DAWNED on him that things are NOT so great being "married" to his dumb ass.

[xwordfanatik]

I find myself wondering how on earth the Toxic Duo can be that dense.  It's got to be a put-on, yes?

Sobbyn, just in case you can't figger it out, you and that buffon are the reason THE family got blown to smithereens.  Not YOUR family.  You and Kootie and your five spawn are on your own, just like you wanted!  You only wanted the others for their money, and what they could do for YOU.

Karma is coming for you.  Enjoy that.

[BAForever]

I spend way too much time thinking about these people. Family dynamics are constantly evolving as careers change, children grow, and priorities shift. The oldest Brown cohort still seem mostly close. The middles aren't as defined- but it seems like most of Janelle's and Christine's kids feel family bonds although not with all siblings. Leon has always been a bit of an outlier- but Robyn's kids were never a part of the originals- Robyn and the separate houses made that so. For families to thrive, as situations change so must families. Christine and Janelle lost their roles with the move to LV. Meri lost hers with the divorce. If Robyn hadn't slithered her way in-  would Christine would still  Earth Mother, would Janelle have a career and would Meri be queen? Interesting to speculate. 

Edited September 23, 2023 by BAForever

[Orcinus orca]

2 minutes ago, BAForever said:

Family dynamics are constantly evolving as careers change, children grow, and priorities shift.

Sobbyn and her puckered up face, dry crying about "sitting on the porch with her sister wives watching the children play" is just ridiculous.  Those kids are mostly adults and are off living their own lives. Most kids eventually go off and start their own families and sit on their own porches. What AUB Koolaid was she drinking?

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, BAForever said:

If Robyn hadn't slithered her way in-  would Christine would still  Earth Mother, would Janelle's  have a career and would Meri be queen? Interesting to speculate. 

And would they all still be living in the shared house in Utah?

The Browns seems to be like the Gosselins.  When the TLC money rolled in, family cohesiveness rolled out.

[Pickleinthemiddle]

4 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:

Sobbyn and her puckered up face, dry crying about "sitting on the porch with her sister wives watching the children play" is just ridiculous.  Those kids are mostly adults and are off living their own lives. Most kids eventually go off and start their own families and sit on their own porches. What AUB Koolaid was she drinking?

I think Robyn had a warped view of how she thought plural marriage should work.  Go talk to all those women who left their husbands when a new favorite wife comes into a family.  Yes it destroys the family.  

[zamp33]

5 hours ago, AZChristian said:

And would they all still be living in the shared house in Utah?

The Browns seems to be like the Gosselins.  When the TLC money rolled in, family cohesiveness rolled out.

I think that once the kids grew up - even without Robyn in the fray (and believe me I do not like Robyn and I think she is manipulative and selfish) and if they were in the one house in Lehi - they still would have broken up. The problems were there even before Robyn joined but their collective focus was raising their  many children and financial survival.

As the children have been growing up,  they all  have been forced to interact less as parents and more as sister wives and husband. And Kody married Christine to stop Janelle and Meri from fighting - so that isn't the greatest foundation for a marriage. There were many problems from the outset. 

Perhaps Janelle might have stuck it out, because of her faith.  I do believe that Robyn exacerbated the inevitable break up and probably in a weird way did them all a favor in allowing them to see Kody's true nature and lack of romantic love or desire for them. Robyn was able to manipulate Kody because he truly loves her and did not really care about the Original Three. 

I also believe that while the marriages may not have survived had Robyn not entered the family, I do believe Kody would have a better chance at good relationships with his older children had Robyn not been there. The children would not have competed with Robyn and her kids for their Dad's attention and see the blatant unfairness. So while the marriages may have still crumbled I think Kody may have had a better relationship with his kids. 

Either way he is a narcissist who who knows?

 

Edited September 23, 2023 by zamp33
fixing a sentence

[SongbirdHollow]

I disagree that he truly loves Robyn. With any wife (or kid) it’s all about how they stroke his ego. 

[OlderThanDirt]

The whole premise of the show from the beginning was introducing a 4th wife into a plural marriage.  Without Robyn there's no TLC, IMHO. And without the money from the show Robyn wouldn't have married in and there would have been more bankruptcies. (And we might have spent our time more productively, or not)

 

[LilyD]

On 9/20/2023 at 2:58 AM, altopower said:

Well, now, isn't that interesting. I wonder why?  I was expecting it to be Kody or Robyn's idea to leave her out, but then they didn't include Savanah either, and I did expect that. Clearly I don't know anything about these people.

Mykelti and Meri never really bonded, with Mykelti always doing everything Meri didn’t like.

I also believe Meri, Maddie and Mykelti have a shared past in selling LuLaRags, with both girls probably coming from her downline. Anyway, Maddie had her own huge fall out with Meri over LLR back in Vegas (they were supposed to be doing it together, but I don’t remember the details, but their relation turned really sour after) and something happened between Meri and Mykelti too. She made some nasty jabs at Meri during one of her facebook lives when selling the rags a few years back. Don’t know  the specifics here, it was rumors all over the internet, and I never watched her fb lives.

TLC seems to have prohibited any MLM from being promoted or even shown on SW. (Good from them!) It has always amused me that Kody wasn’t allowed to use the one thing that made him (in)famous, to promote the other ventures. It probably explains why we hear so little of any incidents, or the OG3 making lots of money from it now.

[BAForever]

2 hours ago, zamp33 said:

I think that once the kids grew up - even without Robyn in the fray (and believe me I do not like Robyn and I think she is manipulative and selfish) and if they were in the one house in Lehi - they still would have broken up. The problems were there even before Robyn joined but their collective focus was raising their  many children and financial survival.

As the children have been growing up,  they all  have been forced to interact less as parents and more as sister wives and husband. And Kody married Christine to stop Janelle and Meri from fighting - so that isn't the greatest foundation for a marriage. There were many problems from the outset. 

Perhaps Janelle might have stuck it out, because of her faith.  I do believe that Robyn exacerbated the inevitable break up and probably in a weird way did them all a favor in allowing them to see Kody's true nature and lack of romantic love or desire for them. Robyn was able to manipulate Kody because he truly loves her and did not really care about the Original Three. 

I also believe that while the marriages may not have survived had Robyn not entered the family, I do believe Kody would have a better chance at good relationships with his older children had Robyn not been there. The children would not have competed with Robyn and her kids for their Dad's attention and see the blatant unfairness. So while the marriages may have still crumbled I think Kody may have had a better relationship with his kids. 

Either way he is a narcissist who who knows?

 

Agree with your thoughts @zamp33. But would any of the original 3 have left if Robyn hadn't come into the marriage or just suffered in silence? I know couples who stay together just because it's too scary to start over or be alone. Kody's treatment of the original 3 may have been better with no Robyn and her kids, so would they have stuck it out? Love the thoughts everyone has on this. 

[Orcinus orca]

35 minutes ago, LilyD said:

Mykelti and Meri never really bonded, with Mykelti always doing everything Meri didn’t like.

Mykelti was also part of the group that tended to band together against Leon. I recall an episode where they teased Leon with  (as I recall) something about drinking and Leon pitched a fit.  It was all a set up to see Leon's reaction. And (it was a long time ago so I may be wrong on details) when all of the girls got together to do the Mother's Day breakfast and Leon  checked out while everyone else did the work.

The joy of having siblings the same age.  Makes me glad I only had "same age" cousins.  We got along beautifully and still do but we didn't live in the same house/neighborhood.

[BAForever]

Sibling relationships are complicated and often changing. I was an asshole to several of my sibs and it was reciprocated. We figured it out as young adults and continue that now. That being said @Orcinus orca- agree that Leon didn't seem to have the close relationships with the oldest cohort. Then again, they were Meri's child and that may have influenced any closeness.

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, BAForever said:

Kody's treatment of the original 3 may have been better with no Robyn and her kids, so would they have stuck it out? Love the thoughts everyone has on this. 

My thought is, their relationships sucked before Robyn. The just sucked more after.

[xwordfanatik]

2 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:

Mykelti was also part of the group that tended to band together against Leon. I recall an episode where they teased Leon with  (as I recall) something about drinking and Leon pitched a fit.  It was all a set up to see Leon's reaction. And (it was a long time ago so I may be wrong on details) when all of the girls got together to do the Mother's Day breakfast and Leon  checked out while everyone else did the work.

The joy of having siblings the same age.  Makes me glad I only had "same age" cousins.  We got along beautifully and still do but we didn't live in the same house/neighborhood.

I think it was Maddie that pranked Leo, along with Logan, about Hunter getting a DUI.  But yes, that breakfast showed Leo's spoiled brat persona perfectly.  

Mykelti may have had her own issues with Leo, but she didn't hide her distaste for Meri.  Meri was said to have been overly severe in disciplining Christine's kids.  

[BnJJ]

5 hours ago, LilyD said:

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TLC seems to have prohibited any MLM from being promoted or even shown on SW. (Good from them!) It has always amused me that Kody wasn’t allowed to use the one thing that made him (in)famous, to promote the other ventures. It probably explains why we hear so little of any incidents, or the OG3 making lots of money from it now.

Wasn't Christine frequently wearing LLR leggings?

Edited September 24, 2023 by BnJJ

[Sandy W]

31 minutes ago, BnJJ said:

Wasn't Christine frequently wearing LLR leggings?

Twice that I am aware of, Kody weaseled his way around the restrictions.

When Truly was suffering and Aspyn expressed concern, he flippantly told her to give Truley some Liv water.

Another time there was a bottle of Liv displayed loud and proud on the kitchen counter  

[LilyD]

I’ve always wondered whether “the liv water for Truely” was missed during editing? That was the only time I recall some form of actual promotion over Liv, LLR or Plexass.
I wouldn’t call Christine occasionally wearing LLR leggings active promotion, as the brand wasn’t visible nor mentioned. Those who really know LLR would recognise the leggings for what they are. I’d hardly heard about LLR and simply thought them hideous. I gues it’s hard to prevent any brand from showing, especially when 2 of the wives and 2 of the kids had closets full of it, with little else to wear.