S06.E05: When Sisters Collide And The Return Of The Grifters

[DanaK]

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WEDNESDAY, MARCH 13 8:00-8:30 p.m. EDT 

Darlene crashes Mark's college trivia night to prove how smart she is. Elsewhere, Neville finds out the money he loaned Dan was used for something other than its intended purpose.

 

[Annber03]

"The deeper I get into this family, the more questions I have..." 

LOL. 

Hey, hi, Krystal! Good to see her again, even if the reasons for her appearance are rather sad ones. I liked that talk between Dan and Neville at the end - Dan trying to make things right for Krystal where his dad failed is very true to form, and I'm glad he was able to finally get her some of hte help she needs. I hope we get to see Krystal pop up again when possible, it'd be good to see how she's doing.

Also liked the end talk between Becky and Darlene, I could rellate to it on a few levels. Especially Darlene's comment about feeling like she's on autopilot and blanking on things she used to know. I felt that. 

I also liked the game night, mainly 'cause of Ben's side commentary and the group names :D. 

[Snow Apple]

What a sad twist of how the money was used. 

On a lighter note, the trivia question about a vegan daughter with a dad who drinks. LOL. This bit reminds me of the inside jokes in original show.

[txhorns79]

30 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

 

Also liked the end talk between Becky and Darlene, I could relate to it on a few levels. Especially Darlene's comment about feeling like she's on autopilot and blanking on things she used to know. I felt that. 

I liked the storyline.  It's nice to see Darlene and Becky sniping, followed by having a nice moment, along with finding out Darlene is attending trivia regularly to show the college kids what is up as a brain exercise. 

Also nice for the show to remember Crystal is still out there, even if her circumstances are sad now. 

[Bastet]

I could only stand Crystal in small doses during the original series, but it's nice to be reminded she's part of the family.  Dan tried so hard to tell her marrying Ed would be a mistake, but she had blinders on.  Yet of course he's still going to clean up the mess when it's important.

I was pretty annoyed with Neville's extreme overreaction - that's the kind of thing you grumble about to Jackie at home, not pick a fight over and certainly not still be so angry the next day you declare "I'm done with him" - because I did not see the connection with what his dad had done to him, but childhood issues manifest in non-linear ways.  I like he and Dan acknowledging you'd think at their ages they wouldn't still be dealing with daddy issues, but they are.  Nice talk they wound up having.

And good talk between Becky and Darlene, one of many they've had over the course of the franchise.  I like Darlene not wanting to feel the way she does about Becky's life improving while hers gets suckier and suckier, but indeed feeling that "It wasn't supposed to be this way" jealousy.  It was also realistic how their ribbing at the beginning, and then at the trivia competition, ultimately turned vicious and revealed there was something really bothering Darlene. 

I hated that Mark initially denied that condescending little twit had insulted Darlene, but as kindhearted as he is, he's still a young guy trying to fit in, and could indeed turn a blind eye to the blatant ageism and classism thrown at a middle-aged woman slopping cafeteria food.

I like that Darlene is now showing up weekly to keep her mind sharp by beating the college kids at trivia. 

[kitkat343]

Normally I can understand Neville's frustration with Jackie's family and financial matters.  But Dan was willing to take a DUI for him.  It doesn't matter that Dan has made a million stupid financial decisions before this one - Dan could have taken the $500 and set it on fire and Neville never should have said a word.  It's much worse that Neville got mad at Dan when he spent the money protecting Crystal, but even if he had just blown it at the track I would have lost a lot of respect for Neville tonight. 

[iMonrey]

Wow, dare I say, this was actually a decent episode? The focus on Darlene and Becky felt very true to their characters going all the way back to the original series and the kind of relationship they've always had. Maybe that was just a lucky coincidence, as I'm not especially inclined to give these writers that much credit, but for once something felt realistic and in-character. 

And then Crystal shows up? I about fell out of my chair, I thought the show forgot she existed. And we finally get confirmation that Ed is dead. They never even explained what happened to him up until now, even when Crystal was still on the Roseanne reboot. 

Is it possible the show finally hired someone who watched the original show? If so, now I want to know where Crystal's kids are. They actually had "little Ed" in a couple of episodes and then just dropped him. We've had no mention of Lonnie or Crystal's daughter since the reboot began.

[MrsEVH]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Wow, dare I say, this was actually a decent episode? The focus on Darlene and Becky felt very true to their characters going all the way back to the original series and the kind of relationship they've always had. Maybe that was just a lucky coincidence, as I'm not especially inclined to give these writers that much credit, but for once something felt realistic and in-character. 

And then Crystal shows up? I about fell out of my chair, I thought the show forgot she existed. And we finally get confirmation that Ed is dead. They never even explained what happened to him up until now, even when Crystal was still on the Roseanne reboot. 

Is it possible the show finally hired someone who watched the original show? If so, now I want to know where Crystal's kids are. They actually had "little Ed" in a couple of episodes and then just dropped him. We've had no mention of Lonnie or Crystal's daughter since the reboot began.

I recall in the first season ( when it was Roseanne) Crystal was on and talked about retiring from a casino where she had benefits. Darlene applied for her job and got it but it was never explained on why wasn't doing it any more (quit or got fired?). So maybe Crystal didn't have that great of benefits after all. If her medicine cost a lot how long would it the amount of money Dan gave her going to last?  She would eventually need more; where would the money come from  then?

[pinkandsparkly13]

Ed was confirmed dead a few seasons ago. Idk I can't remember when. Dan saw that he died in the obituaries. That's why we got the storyline with Little Ed. He actually  loved Ed, and Dan was mad that he paid for his college tuition and didn't do anything for him. They never mentioned Crystal back then for some reason. It was interesting that she said Dan was the best thing to happen to her because of Ed(something like that) considering she had two kids with him. I thought maybe they had a falling out with Crystal and took Ed's side when they split up or something. 

Hope that all makes sense. Lol

[pinkandsparkly13]

1 hour ago, MrsEVH said:

I recall in the first season ( when it was Roseanne) Crystal was on and talked about retiring from a casino where she had benefits. Darlene applied for her job and got it but it was never explained on why wasn't doing it any more (quit or got fired?). So maybe Crystal didn't have that great of benefits after all. If her medicine cost a lot how long would it the amount of money Dan gave her going to last?  She would eventually need more; where would the money come from  then?

I just looked it up and Darlene didn't like the job because she was dealing with a sleazy customer. So she threw a drink in his face and quit. I couldn't remember if she quit or got herself fired. Actually that might have been what happened. Lol. That recap didn't specify. I thought that might have been what she was doing, because it was better for her to get fired than quit? Maybe someone else remembers better. She was also working for Ben at the magazine at that time. 

[Yogisbooboo64]

I'll be the UO then....

I thought Darlene was being a complete ass, not only in the beginning when she was ribbing at Becky but also when they both lost the trivia game.

She was also an ass at Dan when he was talking positively about her to her former schoolmate when they went on a road trip to Chicago.

We get it, you feel your current circumstances suck, but you:

Have a beautiful house

A supportive husband

A job 

Just be grateful for what you have and stop taking it out on everyone else!  Becky was nicer than I would have been.

[Shermie]

22 hours ago, Bastet said:

I hated that Mark initially denied that condescending little twit had insulted Darlene, but as kindhearted as he is, he's still a young guy trying to fit in, and could indeed turn a blind eye to the blatant ageism and classism thrown at a middle-aged woman slopping cafeteria food.

Isn’t she working there so Mark can have a discount on tuition? And didn’t she give up a better opportunity for this cafeteria lady gig - for Mark? Does he know this? (I can’t remember) If so, he could be a little nicer, or at least tell his asshole friends to knock it off.

I thought Crystal and Ed had a kid, but it could have been two. They’d be adults now, I guess? But it seems they live in the same land of non-existence with Jackie’s kid and Dan and Rosanne’s 4th kid.

[Snow Apple]

1 hour ago, Shermie said:

I thought Crystal and Ed had a kid, but it could have been two. They’d be adults now, I guess? But it seems they live in the same land of non-existence with Jackie’s kid and Dan and Rosanne’s 4th kid.

Crystal has a son named Lonnie with her first husband, and had Ed Jr. and Angela with Ed Sr. Ed Jr. was in a few episodes but they just dropped his character which is a shame. I don't know why her children can't pay $500 for their mom's medication. Especially Lonnie who must be in his late 30's or 40's now.

[love2lovebadtv]

23 hours ago, kitkat343 said:

It's much worse that Neville got mad at Dan when he spent the money protecting Crystal, but even if he had just blown it at the track I would have lost a lot of respect for Neville tonight. 

But Neville didn't know how Dan spent the money at first. After Dan's previous behavior where he expected someone to give him money just because they have more than him, I can see why Neville would be cautious. But once Dan opened up, Neville was fine and they had a really good bonding moment. 

[Brn2bwild]

On 3/13/2024 at 8:46 PM, Bastet said:

I was pretty annoyed with Neville's extreme overreaction - that's the kind of thing you grumble about to Jackie at home, not pick a fight over and certainly not still be so angry the next day you declare "I'm done with him"

Also in what universe would $500 be enough to buy the services of a lawyer?

[iMonrey]

15 hours ago, Yogisbooboo64 said:

We get it, you feel your current circumstances suck, but you:

Have a beautiful house

A supportive husband

A job 

Just be grateful for what you have and stop taking it out on everyone else!  Becky was nicer than I would have been

I still can't get past what a stupid move it was was for Darlene to take this job in the first place so yeah, I have no sympathy. We're apparently meant to see this a some sort of noble sacrifice for her child, and that might have been the case if she gave up one crappy job for another. But to give up a much higher paying job with good benefits made zero sense in terms of financing. This cannot be a very expensive college, she could have helped with tuition and repaying any student loans Mark might have to take out. Plus Mark didn't have to live on campus. 

[chitowngirl]

 

27 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I still can't get past what a stupid move it was was for Darlene to take this job in the first place so yeah, I have no sympathy. We're apparently meant to see this a some sort of noble sacrifice for her child, and that might have been the case if she gave up one crappy job for another. But to give up a much higher paying job with good benefits made zero sense in terms of financing. This cannot be a very expensive college, she could have helped with tuition and repaying any student loans Mark might have to take out. Plus Mark didn't have to live on campus. 

Mark only recently started living on campus. He was bummed because as a commuter he was missing out on stuff. So Mommy got him a night janitor job, which came with a room. A job he didn’t consent to, apply for, or interview for. 🙄 The result is he now has these fabulous friends who think it’s ok to bully and demean those they perceive as beneath them.

[emmyG]

35 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

 Plus Mark didn't have to live on campus. 

Well he didn't even have a bedroom at 'home' so...

[ams1001]

16 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

He was bummed because as a commuter he was missing out on stuff. So Mommy got him a night janitor job, which came with a room. A job he didn’t consent to, apply for, or interview for. 🙄

And now he'll be working at night so he'll still be missing out on stuff...

15 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

The result is he now has these fabulous friends who think it’s ok to bully and demean those they perceive as beneath them.

And have no problem doing it to their "friend's" own mother who they literally just met ten seconds earlier.

 

 

[MrsEVH]

17 hours ago, Yogisbooboo64 said:

I'll be the UO then....

I thought Darlene was being a complete ass, not only in the beginning when she was ribbing at Becky but also when they both lost the trivia game.

She was also an ass at Dan when he was talking positively about her to her former schoolmate when they went on a road trip to Chicago.

We get it, you feel your current circumstances suck, but you:

Have a beautiful house

A supportive husband

A job 

Just be grateful for what you have and stop taking it out on everyone else!  Becky was nicer than I would have been.

I agree with all of the above.

I'm very grateful for what I have which is all 3 of the above. I work at a hospital in the Med Records dept. I didn't go to any college so I always held boring (crap IMO) jobs. Back when I graduated in '79 a lot of kids didn't go to college and most of us went right to work after graduation.  Some of my co-workers throughout the years went to college/tech schools but ended up working in a hospital. Sometimes things don't work out and I've never looked down on them.  In fact the ones who are doing online classes get encouragement from me.

[Shermie]

I still don’t understand why Dan doesn’t have two nickels to rub together. He and Roseanne worked their entire lives and yes, they made some dumb decisions (quitting a good job to open a bike shop, which should have been a hobby/side hustle), but why isn’t their house paid for? It’s not big or fancy; they bought it 45 (?) years ago so it couldn’t have cost much. Makes no sense.

Yes, some people fritter away their money but Dan and Roseanne didn’t travel, didn’t wear fancy/designer stuff, didn’t buy furniture or stuff for their house, didn’t spend it on hair/nails/other preening, didn’t go out to fancy restaurants or theatre; in short, their money didn’t go to any of the things that people typically spend it on in slow steady dribbles. They didn’t have catastrophic financial problems like major ongoing health issues, or their house burning down or whatever. So where is all their money?

[Wizardpatch]

On 3/13/2024 at 8:47 PM, Snow Apple said:

What a sad twist of how the money was used. 

On a lighter note, the trivia question about a vegan daughter with a dad who drinks. LOL. This bit reminds me of the inside jokes in original show.

They should have added something like "this 90s TV daughter was well known for her rebel attitude and alienation from her family". 

Edited March 16 by Wizardpatch

[Yeah No]

10 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

Mark only recently started living on campus. He was bummed because as a commuter he was missing out on stuff. So Mommy got him a night janitor job, which came with a room. A job he didn’t consent to, apply for, or interview for. 🙄 The result is he now has these fabulous friends who think it’s ok to bully and demean those they perceive as beneath them.

Cry me a river with Mark.  When I went to college in the late 1970s both my parents worked and couldn't afford to send me to a private university so I had to take out student loans to pay my entire tuition without their help.  So sue me, I was an excellent student at one of the best public high schools in NY and didn't want to go to community college.  When I wanted to live on campus in my junior year I had to get a work-study job at the university to finance it.  Mark is damn lucky his mother did all that for him and it really bugs me that so far he's acting ungrateful and entitled or clueless about it by letting those "friends" of his insult his mother.  It's no wonder she's now in the funk over this that she is.  A little gratitude might help her feel like it's all worthwhile. 

Although I do think her taking that job was ridiculous in the first place and probably cancels out the benefit of the free tuition to a degree that would make it not worth it in the long run.  Unless the tuition is astronomical, but if so why can't he take out some of the money in student loans?  I get wanting to provide for your kids but I would never have let my mother sacrifice that much for me even if she wanted to.  I could have gone to a more expensive school but was more realistic about what was affordable for me.  I don't get why kids today get such a pass like they're little infants who should allow or expect their parents to make such sacrifices for them.  Sorry but this is a hot button issue for me.

[iMonrey]

I meant to comment on this earlier but the episode started with Dan walking into the house and immediately everyone called him out for doing community service because he was wearing a "reflective vest." Yet to my untrained eyes, he was just wearing a gray hoodie. WTF. Are gray hoodies now doubling as reflective vests? Or couldn't they even bother to make one?

1 hour ago, Yeah No said:

I get wanting to provide for your kids but I would never have let my mother sacrifice that much for me even if she wanted to.  I could have gone to a more expensive school but was more realistic about what was affordable for me.  I don't get why kids today get such a pass like they're little infants who should allow or expect their parents to make such sacrifices for them. 

I tend to put this more on Darlene than Mark because we're apparently expected to see this as a great thing she's doing for her kid and we should all put our children ahead of ourselves blah blah blah and yeah, their immediate needs should come first. But Darlene has basically sacrificed her own well being, financial independence and any hope for her own future just to indulge Mark in something they could easily have afforded some better way. It makes zero sense and I don't think the writers really care or get it. It's not registering the way they seem to think it does. 

[Bastet]

31 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I meant to comment on this earlier but the episode started with Dan walking into the house and immediately everyone called him out for doing community service because he was wearing a "reflective vest." Yet to my untrained eyes, he was just wearing a gray hoodie. WTF. Are gray hoodies now doubling as reflective vests? Or couldn't they even bother to make one?

I know he indeed had one, as I remember seeing it, so just double-checked the details: He enters with it off but slung over his shoulder, and then hangs it up on the coat rack.

What I noticed about his entrance was he didn't expect any, let alone all, of them to be there.  So five people who do not live there all not only wound up there for whatever reasons, but decided that's where they'd stay for the evening to watch TV and order dinner, without ever calling/texting Dan to say "Hey, we're all at your house and don't feel like moving until we've eaten.  We're going to order pizza, what time will you be home?"

(I guess that's what I get for grumbling as the season got going that they were using Darlene's house, rather than Dan's, as the primary set and wanting to see more family scenes back at the old homestead.  [Since so much of the family now lives at Darlene's, I know we'll continue to see a lot of it, I just wanted more balance like last season because at first there didn't seem to be much.])

[Wizardpatch]

I feel like the series finale is going to give Darlene a better job (or maybe have her win the lottery lol) in order to make up for all the sacrificing she is doing.

[JAYJAY1979]

I assumed the medical issues with Crystal happened after season 10 of Roseanne.. and I'm wondering if maybe her deductible/co pay is higher because she's doing more treatment/maintenance due to long term neglect.

It was nice to see her again.  I'm hoping we see other former friends of Roseanne pop in during this final season.

[MrsEVH]

On 3/15/2024 at 1:17 PM, Shermie said:

I still don’t understand why Dan doesn’t have two nickels to rub together. He and Roseanne worked their entire lives and yes, they made some dumb decisions (quitting a good job to open a bike shop, which should have been a hobby/side hustle), but why isn’t their house paid for? It’s not big or fancy; they bought it 45 (?) years ago so it couldn’t have cost much. Makes no sense.

Yes, some people fritter away their money but Dan and Roseanne didn’t travel, didn’t wear fancy/designer stuff, didn’t buy furniture or stuff for their house, didn’t spend it on hair/nails/other preening, didn’t go out to fancy restaurants or theatre; in short, their money didn’t go to any of the things that people typically spend it on in slow steady dribbles. They didn’t have catastrophic financial problems like major ongoing health issues, or their house burning down or whatever. So where is all their money?

Didn't they take out a 2nd mortgage when they bought the bike shop that eventually failed? Maybe he's still paying on that.

[TattleTeeny]

I totally forgot to come read this forum for this episode! Anyway, though, did anyone think it was odd that Dan introduced Crystal to Neville as only his dad's ex-wife, and didn't mention that she was a friend of his since high school? 

I'm still not getting what Neville was mad at -- and I missed what the $500 was for? Fines? If so, what difference does it make what Dan used that money for if the fines were also paid? Plus, agin, if it was for fines, those would be in Dan's name, not Neville's.

Edited March 18 by TattleTeeny

[Shrek]

Seems pretty simple to me to understand why he was upset. Dan had lied to him about what the money was for and Neville, having been lied to most of his life by his father thought that Dan would not do such a thing to him. It doesn't matter what the money was for, it was the dishonesty that hurt Neville not the money,  had Dan told him the truth he would have given him the money anyway. 

I'm the same about lending people money, even small amounts like $20, if you lie to me or don't pay me back when you said you would without talking me I will never lend you a penny ever again. I don't care if you give me the $20 back and then ask to borrow more almost immediately I will happily lend you some more but don't ever not pay me back when you said you would and later ask to borrow more, it's not happening. 

I may be the outlier here & most seem to think differently but I am 100% with Neville on this one. 

[Bastet]

5 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

I'm still not getting what Neville was mad at -- and I missed what the $500 was for? Fines? If so, what difference does it make what Dan used that money for if the fines were also paid? Plus, agin, if it was for fines, those would be in Dan's name, not Neville's.

Neville gave - gave, not loaned - Dan $500 to hire a DUI lawyer since Dan got nabbed trying to protect Neville.  But when Crystal's issue came up, Dan used the money to pay for her medicine instead.  Dan didn't ask Neville for more money, or impose on him in any way.  He just chose to use what was now his money in a different way, and didn't mention it to Neville.  Representing himself meant he got community service (which he may well have received even with a lawyer, if he hired some strip mall attorney who'd do it for $500), which is how Neville found out he hadn't hired a lawyer with that $500 and that had him off and running at warp speed to "I'm done with him".

[TattleTeeny]

Thank you -- more or less what I thought. It would have been nice of Dan to confide in Neville earlier, but Neville overreacted and really has no leg to stand on here.

Edited March 18 by TattleTeeny

[ItCouldBeWorse]

On 3/14/2024 at 6:24 PM, Yogisbooboo64 said:

I'll be the UO then....

I thought Darlene was being a complete ass, not only in the beginning when she was ribbing at Becky but also when they both lost the trivia game.

She was also an ass at Dan when he was talking positively about her to her former schoolmate when they went on a road trip to Chicago.

We get it, you feel your current circumstances suck, but you:

Have a beautiful house

A supportive husband

A job 

Just be grateful for what you have and stop taking it out on everyone else!  Becky was nicer than I would have been.

And your younger kid is in college, something you couldn't accomplish for your older one!

On 3/15/2024 at 2:17 PM, Shermie said:

I still don’t understand why Dan doesn’t have two nickels to rub together. He and Roseanne worked their entire lives and yes, they made some dumb decisions (quitting a good job to open a bike shop, which should have been a hobby/side hustle), but why isn’t their house paid for? It’s not big or fancy; they bought it 45 (?) years ago so it couldn’t have cost much. Makes no sense.

Yes, some people fritter away their money but Dan and Roseanne didn’t travel, didn’t wear fancy/designer stuff, didn’t buy furniture or stuff for their house, didn’t spend it on hair/nails/other preening, didn’t go out to fancy restaurants or theatre; in short, their money didn’t go to any of the things that people typically spend it on in slow steady dribbles. They didn’t have catastrophic financial problems like major ongoing health issues, or their house burning down or whatever. So where is all their money?

Beer.

On 3/16/2024 at 7:01 PM, JAYJAY1979 said:

I assumed the medical issues with Crystal happened after season 10 of Roseanne.. and I'm wondering if maybe her deductible/co pay is higher because she's doing more treatment/maintenance due to long term neglect.

She's probably on Medicare without a drug plan (part D).  And if you don't buy it when you're first eligible and then want to add one, you also pay a monthly penalty.  I doubt she could afford to pay for it.

15 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

I'm still not getting what Neville was mad at

In a previous episode, Neville gave Jackie money to cover her own expenses and she gave it to Dan to invest in goods for his business (did he ever pay them back?  That would make a big difference in Neville's eyes) after Neville specifically told her not to give him any of Neville's money.  Now, Dan has "lied" about money that Neville gave him for a specific purpose.  Neville just doesn't trust Dan when it comes to his money.

[TattleTeeny]

Oh, thank you -- I know all of that though. I just think Neville is wrong in this particular instance. 

[gaucho91]

On 3/14/2024 at 6:24 PM, Yogisbooboo64 said:

I'll be the UO then....

I thought Darlene was being a complete ass, not only in the beginning when she was ribbing at Becky but also when they both lost the trivia game.

She was also an ass at Dan when he was talking positively about her to her former schoolmate when they went on a road trip to Chicago.

We get it, you feel your current circumstances suck, but you:

Have a beautiful house

A supportive husband

A job 

Just be grateful for what you have and stop taking it out on everyone else!  Becky was nicer than I would have been.

Darlene is quite possibly the worst sitcom character on TV. She is always miserable and tries her best to spread that misery to everyone around her. She also isn't even remotely funny. 

[Ottis]

On 3/14/2024 at 12:47 AM, kitkat343 said:

Normally I can understand Neville's frustration with Jackie's family and financial matters.  But Dan was willing to take a DUI for him.  It doesn't matter that Dan has made a million stupid financial decisions before this one - Dan could have taken the $500 and set it on fire and Neville never should have said a word.  It's much worse that Neville got mad at Dan when he spent the money protecting Crystal, but even if he had just blown it at the track I would have lost a lot of respect for Neville tonight. 

Absolutely. That whole plot line was a waste of time, IMO. Everyone skips over WHY Neville gave Dan the money.

On 3/18/2024 at 11:08 AM, Shrek said:

Seems pretty simple to me to understand why he was upset. Dan had lied to him about what the money was for and Neville, having been lied to most of his life by his father thought that Dan would not do such a thing to him. It doesn't matter what the money was for, it was the dishonesty that hurt Neville not the money,  had Dan told him the truth he would have given him the money anyway. 

I'm the same about lending people money, even small amounts like $20, if you lie to me or don't pay me back when you said you would without talking me I will never lend you a penny ever again. I don't care if you give me the $20 back and then ask to borrow more almost immediately I will happily lend you some more but don't ever not pay me back when you said you would and later ask to borrow more, it's not happening. 

I may be the outlier here & most seem to think differently but I am 100% with Neville on this one. 

That makes it Neville’s problem, not Dan’s.

[Ottis]

3 hours ago, gaucho91 said:

Darlene is quite possibly the worst sitcom character on TV. She is always miserable and tries her best to spread that misery to everyone around her. She also isn't even remotely funny. 

I’ve always liked her, and often her snark is spot on. I agree though that lately they are making her harder to like than usual.

[andidante]

6 hours ago, gaucho91 said:

Darlene is quite possibly the worst sitcom character on TV. She is always miserable and tries her best to spread that misery to everyone around her. She also isn't even remotely funny. 

i don't like Darlene at all! She was so much better on the original. 

[chitowngirl]

16 hours ago, andidante said:

i don't like Darlene at all! She was so much better on the original. 

Agreed! That Darlene was snarky and smart.  This one is just mean. And since SG is the producer, she made that decision…

[emmyG]

One of many, not the sole producer, though she must have at minimum some  input into her storylines, you'd think.