S02.E17: Weekend from Hell

[Neptune]

“Weekend from Hell” – Elias Woodstone (Matt Walsh) returns to Woodstone seeking Hetty’s forgiveness so he can stay out of hell for good. Also, Jay struggles to repeat an inspired culinary creation that he came up with after walking through Flower. March 9

[Neptune]

[Neptune]

How is Jay not a paranoid nervous wreck? 

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[enduringforce]

This one looks pretty promising since evil characters are fun to watch.

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[Neptune]

Sneak peeks

https://www.spoilertv.com/2023/02/ghosts-episode-217-weekend-from-hell.html

[AnimeMania]

Next New Episode: March 30, 2023        

[nora1992]

Where to start with this?  I thought it was an awesome episode.  Trying to involve Jay, all the L’il Pete mentions, the description of hell (although my reaction to the song was close to Trevor’s), and Jay and the 3 blind mice in the kitchen.  Can’t wait for the rerun!

[Snow Apple]

Deals with the devil are tricky so I thought "get out of hell and go back where he died" meant the vault. Which is worst then hell.

[Annber03]

LMAO, Trevor singing "Tubthumping" at the end. Of course he would like that song :D. I also got a really good laugh out of Sam saying to Jay, "Now kiss me like you're Luke and I'm your...sister..."

Man, this episode was wild. I nearly had a heart attack at the mention of something happening to Little Pete, but yeah, Elias being behind that, or Hell in general, makes total sense. I loved Pete fighting back at the end as he did. And I totally sympathized with Hetty's struggle to forgive Elias, too, 'cause, well...yeah (LOL at her reaction to his admission about what he'd done with her cocaine XD). I like that Alberta helped change her mind, though, and that Hetty's forgiveness was more to help her find closure than anything else. Elias can stay in Hell all he wants, though I'm totally fine with him chilling in the vault again, too. Course, now it's been used as a speakeasy, and depending on what else Sam and Jay might use it for in the future, that might be an issue, but still... 

I also really liked how Isaac was so thorough in reading the contract and paying attention to the fine print and details. 

As for everything with Jay, poor guy trying to recreate that recipe. At least things did work out in the end...even if that woman did get horny while eating :p. The ghosts' reactions to that were great. But yes, someone definitely needs to fill Sasappis, Trevor, and Flower in on the whole "Elias is back from hell" thing. The stuff you miss when you watch someone cook...

[PaulE]

Have to say, I think Sasappis is becoming a little irresponsible with his desire for drama without caring about the consequences.  First he encouraged Hetty's sabotage of Nigel's party, and now he convinced Trevor and Flower not to let Sam know that Jay was stoned.  I know being a ghost is boring and he's had 500 years of it, but schadenfreude in a ghost is not cool.  I'm glad at least things worked out for Jay so he wasn't just the butt of a joke.

[phalange]

“Hell is mostly emails and zooms that should’ve been emails.” Yeah, that tracks. Apparently ghosts can get a 48 hour reprieve from hell for good behavior and the chance to go back to the location they died if they make amends. And hell sends emails to livings. Interesting new info for the ghost manual! 

Poor Pete. He was willing to sacrifice his soul to save his grandson but Elias was just lying as usual. Yeah, Pete would get eaten alive in hell. It was kind of Hetty to forgive Elias to save Pete, though Elias doesn’t deserve it. I’d be rescinding my forgiveness immediately now that Elias is safely back in hell. Good for Pete for remembering Thor’s fighting advice! 

Everything about Jay being high was hilarious. Now he and Sam have both gotten stoned via Flower. Nice of Flower to be willing to help considering how bad the ghosts say it hurts to get walked through. I hope he didn’t do it more than a few times though, since it can cause the loss of childhood memories. “The Vitamin C will enhance the effects when I walk through your husband.” Lmao. Nope, Sam can’t have one normal day. 

Now I have that Chumbawamba song stuck in my head. 

 

[miasth]

I did not enjoy this episode.  Some of it was so hammy that I thought we would find out that this was part of some wild dream of Hetty's. 

If Elias was truly sent to hell because he refused to change why would he be allowed back out of hell and given a get out of jail card if Hetty forgave him when he was not even truly sorry?  I wish Thor had thrown Elias in the vault.  Even hell seems like it is too good for him at this point.  Hmm, maybe hell wanted him gone and that is why they allowed him this escape clause.

I am not happy the ghosts did not warn Sam when Jay got high. I think my issue is there have been way too many episodes with them doing things that could hurt Sam.  It worked out at the end, but this could have gone horribly wrong.  

Now that song is stuck in my head after Trevor sang it at the end. Thanks no pants.

 

 

Edited March 10, 2023 by miasth

[Annber03]

28 minutes ago, phalange said:

Yeah, Pete would get eaten alive in hell. 

On the other hand, given he's worked in the travel industry and, as we learned last episode, is used to knowing how to "take it" when dealing with awful people...I dunno, maybe that might prove helpful for him :p? 

[shura]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

I nearly had a heart attack at the mention of something happening to Little Pete, but yeah, Elias being behind that, or Hell in general, makes total sense.

Yeah, I did not buy that.  First, Little Pete has an emergency and is rushed to the hospital, and his family immediately emails… Sam?  I don’t think so. Second, there is modern medicine, just hearing that someone is in the ER is no reason to go and sell your soul to the devil.  And third, I was not convinced that Elias would be somehow authorized to accept that kind of deal from Pete and make assurances anyway.  

I do agree though, most zooms and in-person meetings can absolutely be handled via email.

[ams1001]

6 minutes ago, shura said:

Yeah, I did not buy that.  First, Little Pete has an emergency and is rushed to the hospital, and his family immediately emails… Sam?  I don’t think so. 

I thought she said it was the family newsletter. I guess it's a way to update the whole family at once and they added Sam to the distribution list after their visit..

[zoey1996]

5 minutes ago, shura said:

Yeah, I did not buy that.  First, Little Pete has an emergency and is rushed to the hospital, and his family immediately emails… Sam?  I don’t think so. Second, there is modern medicine, just hearing that someone is in the ER is no reason to go and sell your soul to the devil.  

I do agree though, most zooms and in-person meetings can absolutely be handled via email.

Sam was included in a family group e-mail. Really nice that Pete’s family includes her as family, too.

Pete died long before many advances in medicine were common, and wouldn’t have known that his grandson would benefit from modern medical practices.

Poor Jay! Not remembering his creation after Flower’s influence, and Trevor, Flower, Sassapis were no help.

[cdnalor]

 

2 hours ago, miasth said:

f Elias was truly sent to hell because he refused to change why would he be allowed back out of hell and given a get out of jail card if Hetty forgave him when he was not even truly sorry?

Maybe it was all a ruse for Elias to trade places with some innocent soul like Pete's.  Hell did send that fake email, after all.  The devil would probably value a pristine soul more than Elias's already corrupted one.

[kathyk24]

{ loved this episode. Jay trying to get Flower to walk through him was hilarious. I loved Sam's pep talk to Jay especially since she isn't a Star Wars fan. It was really sweet for Hetty to forgive Elias since she's always picking on Pete. I can't wait for Elias to find out about Hetty and Trevor. If I went to Hell the Christmas Shoes would be playing.

[shapeshifter]

This episode came close to shark jumping, but they managed to get the shark back into the pool at the last minute. 

I was so sure it would turn out that another Elias lie was that Pete could NOT go to hell because Pete was too pure
——but that never happened.
Well, in my mind Pete can NOT go to hell (unless he morphs into Bizarro Evil Pete).

 

3 hours ago, PaulE said:

Have to say, I think Sasappis is becoming a little irresponsible with his desire for drama without caring about the consequences.  First he encouraged Hetty's sabotage of Nigel's party, and now he convinced Trevor and Flower not to let Sam know that Jay was stoned.  I know being a ghost is boring and he's had 500 years of it, but schadenfreude in a ghost is not cool.  I'm glad at least things worked out for Jay so he wasn't just the butt of a joke.

Sass The Storyteller seems to be a stand-in for The Comedy Writer.

[HurricaneVal]

Awww...  Pete didn't hesitate, multiple times, to sacrifice himself for Little Pete.  Flat out, didn't wait to hear conditions, just laid himself right down for Little Pete, full stop.

We don't deserve Pete.

[appositival]

I thought it was funny and reasonable that the restaurant critic became so passionate about that lamb chop. Lust comes in many forms.

[mammaM]

🎶🎶I get knocked down......

I gonna have that f*****g song in my head all day now😠😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[shapeshifter]

How many times did we hear the ghosts say that Elias was "going down on us"? 
Needed at least one Trevor snicker.

 

36 minutes ago, appositival said:

I thought it was funny and reasonable that the restaurant critic became so passionate about that lamb chop. Lust comes in many forms.

Yes, but I kept getting disturbingly distracted because Lambchop is my pet name for my little grandson.

[shura]

10 hours ago, zoey1996 said:

Sam was included in a family group e-mail. Really nice that Pete’s family includes her as family, too.

Pete died long before many advances in medicine were common, and wouldn’t have known that his grandson would benefit from modern medical practices.

Both Sam and Pete are too gullible though.  They are the kind of people who would totally buy Apple gift cards to send to the IRS and to the boss who is stuck in a meeting.  I guess that is why "the boys in the home office" chose to scam them this way here.

It is an interesting point about what the ghosts would or wouldn't know about things that happened after they died.  They didn't get removed from the world, they were still around to see and hear things.  I am sure they read every newspaper that happened to be read by someone in the house.  New ghosts with more recent knowledge to share have joined them with time.  Now they watch all kinds of TV and can learn everything there is to know about the modern world.  And yet the show does use it as a plot device that they died before something happened and so they don't know about it.  Like the time Sam had to tell Isaac that the US and Britain are not enemies anymore.  I'm sure Isaac would have picked up on that during the last two hundred years.

2 hours ago, appositival said:

I thought it was funny and reasonable that the restaurant critic became so passionate about that lamb chop.

Especially considering that she was coming to try the chicken her friend had told her about.  Jay must be an amazing chef to cook chicken like that.

[tennisgurl]

Hell being filled with emails and zoom meetings that could have been emails sounds about right, apparently half my office is on Hells payroll. This was a really fun episode, much like Pete I felt like I was on a very scary roller coaster the whole time and we even got some additions to the ghost manual. 

The Ghosts version of Hell sounds a lot like the Good Place version of Hell, filled with both horrible torment and annoying inconveniences. Love that the episode ended with Trever singing Tubthumping, he died right around the time when that song had taken over the world and is just the kind of guy who would have played it a million times. 

Pete sacrificed himself for little Pete so quickly and without question, which was not the smartest move but is still very heroic. What a great guy he is. 

Glad that things worked out for Jay, the poor guy just wants to feel included and to feel like he's doing something worthy. Even Elias's sex powers managed to work out for him, of course a food critic would be overcome by food porn and not human porn. 

Its nice that Hetty got closure and that Alberta gave her some good advice, sometimes its not about the person being forgiven, especially if they're a terrible person, but about the person doing the forgiving getting that weight off their shoulders. Elias continues to be a garbage person, Hell was right that he's incapable of change. 

"She's not really a little kid person."

"That's ridiculous, I employed thousands of them!" 

[Starchild]

39 minutes ago, shura said:

It is an interesting point about what the ghosts would or wouldn't know about things that happened after they died.  They didn't get removed from the world, they were still around to see and hear things.  I am sure they read every newspaper that happened to be read by someone in the house.  New ghosts with more recent knowledge to share have joined them with time.  Now they watch all kinds of TV and can learn everything there is to know about the modern world.  And yet the show does use it as a plot device that they died before something happened and so they don't know about it.  Like the time Sam had to tell Isaac that the US and Britain are not enemies anymore.  I'm sure Isaac would have picked up on that during the last two hundred years.

I fanwank this as the previous owner, the old lady, didn't have a TV, which would cause their knowledge of recent history and current affairs to be much more fragmented.

[iMonrey]

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Now I have that Chumbawamba song stuck in my head. 

Yeah, count me in. I spent the next two hours with that damn song running through my head.

I thought this was a good episode, but I'm a little disappointed the best lines were given away in the promo spots, like Elias saying Hell is mostly e-mails and Zooms that could be e-mails. Or that they play Chumbawamba on a loop. At least they didn't spoil the whole subplot with Jay and Flower. "When did this rainbow get here?"

What's interesting is that there was a portrait of Elias in the pilot episode and it did indeed look a great deal like Matt Walsh. Did they know from the very start that Matt Walsh would eventually play Elias? Is it just coincidence? Did they ask Matt Walsh to guest star then made him up to look like the portrait? Or does somebody connected with the show know him and thought they'd eventually ask him to guest-star?

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 Yeah, that tracks. Apparently ghosts can get a 48 hour reprieve from hell for good behavior and the chance to go back to the location they died if they make amends. 

I'm suspicious of that since everything out of Elias's mouth is a lie. It does seem more likely he got some kind of furlough to recruit another soul, except that he did release Pete from the deal after Hetty signed the contract. Who knows.

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I fanwank this as the previous owner, the old lady, didn't have a TV, which would cause their knowledge of recent history and current affairs to be much more fragmented.

They definitely never had a TV in the house before Sam and Jay moved in, because the first time Thor saw it he didn't know what it was. I do think they'd know a bit more about world events through newspapers, although who knows if the previous Mrs. Woodstone ever read one, especially towards the end of her life.

[shapeshifter]

59 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Hell being filled with emails and zoom meetings that could have been emails sounds about right, apparently half my office is on Hells payroll.

😆🤣👏
One of my pre-pandemic screen names is iHateOfficeParties.

 

23 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I thought this was a good episode, but I'm a little disappointed the best lines were given away in the promo spots, like Elias saying Hell is mostly e-mails and Zooms that could be e-mails.

I too was resenting that I couldn't seem to avoid all the spoiler punch lines for the episode whenever I turned on CBS this week, but they were such good punch lines that hearing them in advance meant I didn't miss them, which I might have if I'd only heard them once. But, yeah, one preview was more than sufficient. I guess the network assumes most viewers will only catch one preview in passing, and have their head in the refrigerator for the others.🙃

[HurricaneVal]

I like that even though Jay can't see or hear the ghosts, he's not just relegated by the writers to second banana status, or played for broad laughs.  He's getting his own storylines featuring his own talents.  Jay is written as a very good chef of many talents (Viking date dinner, anyone?) which is actually why Sam and Jay thought they could open the manor as a B&B.  Without his skills, that whole plot conceit falls apart.  I want Woodstone Manor B&B to become famous and successful due to Jay's chef skills.

Even better!  Jay gets famous as a chef, writes a cookbook or is selected for Top Chef and all the ghosts obsessively follow his TV appearances with glee and great anticipation.  Jay, for his part, incorporates things he's learned about historical food from the ghosts into his dishes, and gives subtle shout outs to them all.  And all the ghosts try to help Sam, in whatever way they can, run the B&B in Jay's absence.  Maybe there can be a series of guest star chef characters who come in and leave kind of like the secretaries on Murphy Brown.

Oh!  Oh!  Even better yet!  Jay goes on Hells Kitchen and Thor continuously growls at Gordon Ramsay during the episodes.

[shapeshifter]

24 minutes ago, HurricaneVal said:

…Jay is written as a very good chef of many talents (Viking date dinner, anyone?) which is actually why Sam and Jay thought they could open the manor as a B&B.  Without his skills, that whole plot conceit falls apart.  I want Woodstone Manor B&B to become famous and successful due to Jay's chef skills.…

Maybe the B&B becomes predominantly a restaurant?

[Daff]

Best part for me was the irony of Elias’s last attempt to wreak havoc on The Woodstone, having no clue that the critic enjoying an “orgasmic” meal was totally advantageous. I really hope they don’t just drop that story line-I want to see Jay on TV as much as the ghosts do.

[TVMovieBuff]

15 hours ago, shura said:

Yeah, I did not buy that.  First, Little Pete has an emergency and is rushed to the hospital, and his family immediately emails… Sam?  I don’t think so. Second, there is modern medicine, just hearing that someone is in the ER is no reason to go and sell your soul to the devil.  And third, I was not convinced that Elias would be somehow authorized to accept that kind of deal from Pete and make assurances anyway.  

I do agree though, most zooms and in-person meetings can absolutely be handled via email.

Do we know it was an email? It could be that Sam follows Pete's family on Facebook & she saw a post that Elias had planted there somwhow. 

[joanne3482]

@HurricaneVal, I would love all of that!

I don't find Elias particularly entertaining, so I'm glad he was just on this episode. I wouldn't want him to be around all the time. 

4 hours ago, shura said:

  Like the time Sam had to tell Isaac that the US and Britain are not enemies anymore.  I'm sure Isaac would have picked up on that during the last two hundred years.

Right. No pants, Pete, Alberta and Hetty all know that the Revolutionary War ended and at the very least Pete and Trevor would know that the US and Britain fought on the same side through several wars. 

[eel21788]

14 hours ago, cdnalor said:

Maybe it was all a ruse for Elias to trade places with some innocent soul like Pete's.  Hell did send that fake email, after all.  The devil would probably value a pristine soul more than Elias's already corrupted one.

I'm still not clear as to why Elias was so obsessed with Pete and only Pete.

If it had been Trevor, it would have made more sense to me. Elias probably knows that Hetty and Trevor are fooling around, so I can definitely see him being jealous about having his widow "move on" with another man. I can also see him being jealous that Trevor has an afterlife at Woodstone instead of in hell since Trevor's job could easily be misconstrued as being the 20th century version of a robber baron.

Why would Elias think Pete needs to go to hell other than to attempt to foul his pure soul?

[ajsnaves]

I loved this episode.  But I can see some of the issues people have pointed out.  Particularly with Sass and his love of drama.  One of my favorite things was Jay using Sam’s eye line as “echo-location” to find Flower.  Speaking of Flower though, I would not mind if she faded a bit into the background of the next few episodes.  There has been a lot of focus on her of late. I’d love a bit of movement on Alberta’s murder investigation though.

[appositival]

1 hour ago, eel21788 said:

I'm still not clear as to why Elias was so obsessed with Pete and only Pete.

Elias: "Your soul's pure like a baby's. In fact, if I do end up having to go back, I'll be hailed like a trophy hunter for bringing you with me."

I guess Hell needs pure souls for equal opportunity purposes.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, eel21788 said:

I'm still not clear as to why Elias was so obsessed with Pete and only Pete.

Just like Pete, any other parent would lay down their life for their child if they thought for one second that their child was near death.  He was the easiest target for Elias.

52 minutes ago, ajsnaves said:

Particularly with Sass and his love of drama.

Sass does seem to have a bit of a mean streak in him!  He likes to stir the pot and watch the ensuing drama.  

18 hours ago, Annber03 said:

At least things did work out in the end...even if that woman did get horny while eating :p.

Any meal that can do that to a person will get rave reviews!!  

[Daff]

1 hour ago, eel21788 said:

Why would Elias think Pete needs to go to hell other than to attempt to foul his pure soul?

Exactly. More points in his favor.

[Daff]

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Maybe the B&B becomes predominantly a restaurant?

I believe that is the way to fiscal viability for them, as they have finite rooms, but could expand enough to create a viable, exclusive, dining room (especially if Jay gains exposure). The rooms would sell out if meals were included, but the restaurant would be the daily grind and income. However, no more time to write books, laze around with the ghosts, or contemplate life in general, as that would be a time consuming endeavor.

After thinking about it, they could start small (assuming Jay gains a reputation). I calculate that they would need one maid, one sou chef, one maitre de/front of house manager, and two waitstaff. Take out the huge dining table and see how many 2 and 4 covers they can fit in that dining room. Of course, reservation only!

Edited March 10, 2023 by Daff

[Daff]

55 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Any meal that can do that to a person will get rave reviews!! 

Some people are into food, some are not (the old ‘live to eat or eat to live’ adage). I’m the former. But I do understand “orgasmic” food and seasoning/sides combinations and typically express the pleasure with my feet doing a little dance under the table! Surprisingly, I’m normal weight, healthy, and maintain normal blood pressure without medication. 

[Skooma]

2 hours ago, TVMovieBuff said:

Do we know it was an email? It could be that Sam follows Pete's family on Facebook & she saw a post that Elias had planted there somwhow. 

As several people above your post mentioned, Sam is on the Pete's family group emailing list.  I thought I remembered that Trevor helped get them get on the list with his internet skillz/power.  Somebody mentioned Trevor anyway when the first family group email arrived as I recall.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Skooma

[iMonrey]

No follow-up to last week's discovery of Trevor and Hettie by Nigel and Nancy.

[shapeshifter]

5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Maybe the B&B becomes predominantly a restaurant?

2 hours ago, Daff said:

I believe that is the way to fiscal viability for them, as they have finite rooms, but could expand enough to create a viable, exclusive, dining room (especially if Jay gains exposure). The rooms would sell out if meals were included, but the restaurant would be the daily grind and income. However, no more time to write books, laze around with the ghosts, or contemplate life in general, as that would be a time consuming endeavor.

After thinking about it, they could start small (assuming Jay gains a reputation). I calculate that they would need one maid, one sou chef, one maitre de/front of house manager, and two waitstaff. Take out the huge dining table and see how many 2 and 4 covers they can fit in that dining room. Of course, reservation only!

Oh dear! You are right, of course, but I hadn't thought this through with my my restaurant suggestion.
This is way too many extra cast members.
I have other ideas with slightly fewer additional cast members, but still too many.

[Annber03]

10 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

How many times did we hear the ghosts say that Elias was "going down on us"? 

What was it Alberta said at one point last night? "You don't want Pete going down on us! Nobody needs to see that!" XD. Poor Pete, he really went through it this episode...

[PaulE]

5 hours ago, ajsnaves said:

 Speaking of Flower though, I would not mind if she faded a bit into the background of the next few episodes.  There has been a lot of focus on her of late. I’d love a bit of movement on Alberta’s murder investigation though.

Although I like Flower, for some reason she's the least interesting of the ghosts to me.  Maybe the writers don't quite know what to do with her?  If one of the house ghosts had to go, I'd miss her the least.  I agree that Alberta needs more attention.

[PaulE]

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

No follow-up to last week's discovery of Trevor and Hettie by Nigel and Nancy.

Probably to build suspense.  I'm sure Nigel's going to try and blackmail Hetty. (I didn't think he had it in him until he hissed, "Half birthday my ass!" and then I thought: Oh, it's on for sure.). The writers are probably (I hope) planning the ensuing battles between those two.

[PaulE]

9 hours ago, shura said:

It is an interesting point about what the ghosts would or wouldn't know about things that happened after they died.  They didn't get removed from the world, they were still around to see and hear things.  I am sure they read every newspaper that happened to be read by someone in the house.  New ghosts with more recent knowledge to share have joined them with time.  Now they watch all kinds of TV and can learn everything there is to know about the modern world.  And yet the show does use it as a plot device that they died before something happened and so they don't know about it.  Like the time Sam had to tell Isaac that the US and Britain are not enemies anymore.  I'm sure Isaac would have picked up on that during the last two hundred years.

This made me think that the Brits in the shed probably know even less than the house ghosts.  They've isolated themselves for centuries so presumably they wouldn't know a lot about what's happened in Britain or the rest of the world since they lost the Revolution.  Presumably Nigel learned only recently that there was such an invention as television.  It would be nice, wouldn't it, if Sam were to invite Jenkins and Baxter over to watch King Charles's coronation in May.  I can see the three of them standing at attention and saluting when "God Save the King" is sung.