S08.E09: October 25, 2022

[Kiss my mutt]

5 minutes ago, dizzyd said:

I thought VF was on peters season. 

Someone before said he looks like a Culkin. 

Oh yeah, that’s right.

[phlebas]

Victoria Paul and Victoria Fuller were on Peter's season. Queen Victoria (Larsen?) was on Matt's.

"Victoria" is the new "Lauren."

Edited October 26, 2022 by phlebas
Mixing up my Victorias

[dizzyd]

1 minute ago, phlebas said:

"Victoria" is the new "Lauren."

I thought Rachel is the new Lauren, lol. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

46 minutes ago, dizzyd said:

Jessenia is quite the stirrer. Wasn’t she in some drama on the Bachelor too? 

I was terrified she was going to call Brittany an escort and we'd have to live through that drama again.  What's her angle?

I feel so bad for Andrew.  Nobody likes him.

Brittany and Tyler both look 10 years old, so they kinda match.

23 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Victoria isn't as hot as she seems to think she is. 

It's all fake anyways!  She looks like the women all messed up from Jack Nicholson as the Joker.

16 minutes ago, dizzyd said:

Someone before said he looks like a Culkin. And they’re right...

I have a huge crush on Kieran actually so I don't see it.  That's not who I see, but I see someone.

[Katie111]

Victoria mentioned something about Alex being more “convenient” or something like that in the real world.  I wonder if they live the same city and Johnny lives far from her.  I think this is a real consideration that I don’t think they’re really allowed to mention on this show.  How would Jacob be able to visit anyone if he is living on an Uber salary?  With airfare prices as high as they are now, it would be hard for most of these people to maintain a long distance relationship.  
 

I was shocked Jillian was so calm when Jacob broke up with her.  After all of her crazy faces and antics at the hotel I was expecting a firestorm.  

[rlc]

“He sold his couch for cash, and I cried over him.”

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Ladies- stop crying over f*ckbois.

[Kiss my mutt]

What’s up with the casting call announcements for BIP? I thought they got all the cast from previous seasons. Maybe they’re wanting to shake things up for next season?

[thejuicer]

3 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Those few seconds of Aaron teaching Andrew how to swim was probably the most adorable scene of the season.

I must have missed this! Where in the episode was it?

[Ms Blue Jay]

4 minutes ago, thejuicer said:

I must have missed this! Where in the episode was it?

I believe this was the VERY beginning.  Right after the replays of last week.

[Melonie77]

3 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Victoria isn't as hot as she seems to think she is. 

In fact, while the men are buffed up and the women are made up, I wouldn't look twice at most of these people if they walked into Target.  

Yeah this isn't the best looking bunch of BiPers.
I never thought Victoria was more than just attractive.

Did they have a rose ceremony?

[chocolatine]

4 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Kate gives me the creeps! Her face looks paralyzed like every inch of her face was botoxed

I agree, it's really creepy that her mouth is the only part of her face that moves when she talks, like a ventriloquist's dummy.

3 hours ago, dizzyd said:

Jessenia is quite the stirrer. Wasn’t she in some drama on the Bachelor too? 

Jessenia is another one I find really off-putting. Last BIP season she dumped Ivan for Chris, then played the victim when Chris dumped her for Alana. And now it looks like she's trying to pull off the same thing with Andrew and Tyler. She has the personality of a wet dishrag, and I hate that TPTB brought her back for another season.

[nlkm9]

10 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

(Is her name Kate?  I'm never going to learn her name) Oh she's so nasty and so manipulative.  "I really want to believe you've changed, Shenae"  lol who the fuck are you?  Shenae doesn't care what you think about her!  Oh she's so slimy and speaks like an emotionally abusive boyfriend.  It's not like I'm the Queen of Shenae's fan club but she's been a lot better, or at least edited better, this season than on her season of The Bachelor.

Was Shenae really bad on The bachelor?  My memory is terrible.  I remember that I thought she was totally crazy, and brought back the old school tradition of early reality TV lol.  But was she a bully?  She's definitely delusional and up her own ass, I know that.  And she does insult the other women.  Ok I guess she's pretty bad LOL.  

Shenae was a total bitch on claytons season and while she is getting a different edit, its clear to see what a hypocrite she is . She enjoys making people feel bad , so i have no use for her.

[Madding crowd]

I looked at Victoria’s Instagram and she looks gorgeous in her pictures.I do think she is one of the best looking there. Genevieve , for all her pouting and complaining is very average. For the guys, I think they are all attractive but Andrew seems like such a nice guy he would be my pick. The twists they are trying this year aren’t working, the show is boring.

[phlebas]

39 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

I looked at Victoria’s Instagram and she looks gorgeous in her pictures.I do think she is one of the best looking there. Genevieve , for all her pouting and complaining is very average. For the guys, I think they are all attractive but Andrew seems like such a nice guy he would be my pick. The twists they are trying this year aren’t working, the show is boring.

Interesting, the different strokes for different folks.  I think Genevieve is gorgeous, but I have learned this season she would be a nightmare to date.

Meanwhile, Victoria looks like a painted mannequin head on a porn star's body, but I'm enjoying her personality this time around.  She got her nightmare tendencies out on Peter's season.

To each their own. Brittany can move in whenever she likes.

[Katie111]

I would like to see Victoria go in the pool.  She always looks like she has so much makeup on, not sure how she maintains that with how hot and humid it is out.  She comes across as a Bachelorette wanna-be.   Saying all the right things about a "connection" and someone "checking off all her boxes".  She says a lot but doesn't actually say anything.   Although I did like when she asked Johnny what his future goals were.  Seems like a question that should be asked more often on these shows (although I think the standard answer is "I'll figure it out based on how many IG followers I get from this show").  

I think Andrew is just too nice for this show.  I can't stand Jessenia, something about her just drives me crazy.   I think she tries so hard to come across as intelligent and classy and it just doesn't work.  And Kate's voice drives me bonkers.  She almost comes across as a schoolteacher and Logan is her student, which he seems to like.  I think they had a massive hookup the first night when she told him she liked him.  No idea why she is a hot commodity on the beach.  

[Alexander Pope]

13 hours ago, dizzyd said:

Why is Justin 😳 back? Props to Aaron of all people for calling Genevieve out for gaslighting and mean girl that she is of course can’t recognize when she’s wrong and going to the extreme of I’m out of here, talk to the hand. 

It’s like we get 1 RC in 6 episodes. 

Did shanae leave? I didn’t see her in the 2nd hour. 

Aaron, unlikely voice of reason!! he has really won me over this season! his logic is apleasin!

[Jax7917]

2 hours ago, Katie111 said:

I would like to see Victoria go in the pool.  She always looks like she has so much makeup on, not sure how she maintains that with how hot and humid it is out.  She comes across as a Bachelorette wanna-be.   Saying all the right things about a "connection" and someone "checking off all her boxes".  She says a lot but doesn't actually say anything.   Although I did like when she asked Johnny what his future goals were.  Seems like a question that should be asked more often on these shows (although I think the standard answer is "I'll figure it out based on how many IG followers I get from this show").  

I think Andrew is just too nice for this show.  I can't stand Jessenia, something about her just drives me crazy.   I think she tries so hard to come across as intelligent and classy and it just doesn't work.  And Kate's voice drives me bonkers.  She almost comes across as a schoolteacher and Logan is her student, which he seems to like.  I think they had a massive hookup the first night when she told him she liked him.  No idea why she is a hot commodity on the beach.  

I hate Kate's voice so much! And it does not match the way she looks. I find her to be kind of pretty but then I look again and she is wayyy too botoxed and has such a bitchy looking face. She just comes across as very phony.

I think Andrew is adorable and really has a great smile. 

Victoria is another way too botoxed girl. Her face doesn't move and her eyes bulge because of the lack of movement.

[Rainsong]

When you’re having coffee instead of something stronger, the comments get random.

-Every iteration of MS Word gets worse than the last. It presumes to think for you and gets it wrong every time. Opening a document is like trying to keep a dog from sprinting out of the house. Saving one is worse. MS believes that all users want to use the stock folder arrangement (they don’t) and OneDrive (they really don’t). The marketing tail began wagging the user EX dog long ago. Now it’s almost all tail.

-Throwing myself on the mercy of the mods and forum practices to cover last night’s episode and this. They are, as the Gestalt school says, a functional whole.

-Eliza says ‘Some type of way’ – this meaningless phrase should be put in a lead case 1 ft thick and dropped in the middle of the ocean.

-The women reassuring Eliza over Lace’s incursion don’t look very reassuring themselves. Lots of hands-on-face self-soothing body language and gritted teeth.

-They’re always at the ready with ‘don’t get upset’ or ‘don’t get nervous’ but this invariably leads to the person in question getting a) upset, b) nervous, c) both of these.

-Emotional turmoil over lunkhead Rodney is far from worth it even for Lace who gets upset when the sun goes behind a cloud. The crying jag was inevitable along with all the downcast palm-frond eyes.

-Brandon and Serene worry about literally nothing, respectively, but hey it occupies a few minutes of screen time.

-Serene doesn’t seem to have a malicious bone in her body but her body language in Casa Amor (more on that later) is about as hostile as it gets for her. Arm across body on opposite knee. Hand in pinching/fist pose. Jaw jutted out. Lots of subconscious scratching – an expression of discomfort.

-Casa Amor? It's not called that here but it's a Love Island UK invention, duplicated in most other countries’ versions of the program. Some might say the ‘invention’ is itself a ripoff of the mostly-forgotten Temptation Island but the objective is to set the cats amongst the pigeons and hope the feathers fly in both locations. The BIP producers have, by accident or design, omitted the grand finale of the Casa Amor stunt, which is to line up the cast who remain in the villa and force them to decide to recouple or stand pat, then bring in their mates back in from exile. Tears, relief, anger, anguish typically follow. Much more tension-filled than a rose ceremony. Put simply, they missed a trick.

-At this point Michael has done more narration than Jesse. He’s the producers’ teacher’s pet for exposition but enough is enough.

-Jill isn’t expressive, she’s merely a camera hog. Big difference.

-It’s not important but why wasn’t Aussie Adam sent home with the other two? His looks? His accent? His alleged showbiz CV? He was and is unattached and is merely playing agony aunt for male and female alike. Now…one might ask how and why these American females have taken no interest in the cut-rate Chris Hemsworth double since he appears to ‘tick all the boxes’ but they’ve got their crushes and are immune. More accurately, most are possessive in the extreme (read: entitled) and are more interested in the power dynamics than the romance. One gets a strong hint that Adam might be a dark horse for the US Bachelor – another casting crossover.

-‘We’re here to date – that’s what I’m going to do’ declares Shanae. We know how long that laissez faire attitude will last ie not long at all.

-Kate was a bit of a non-entity in whichever season she participated. She’s taking some stick for her look and style of communicating but somehow I’ve crossed the pain barrier with her and am managing to have a laugh at her over-the-top accent (which mostly involves talking through her nose) and her pedantic speechifying. It’s reminiscent of a guest star in an overbearing role on ‘Seinfeld.’ She plays Logan like a guitarrón at (as the graphic indicates) the wee hour of exactly 1:23 AM. After hooking up with three women in as many days his hormones are raging more furiously than the surf hitting the rocks. Kate points her breakfast fork at Logan as they plan their assignation and the symbolism couldn’t be more obvious.

-Sarah a bit of a tragic figure but she chooses poorly, as it were. Jacob is having an even worse streak of bad luck. He may not realize it but his Chilled Out Earth Dude persona makes the ladies fearless in dumping him.

-Kate quote: ‘Yeah.’

-Another Kate quote: ‘Yeah.’

-A third Kate quote: ‘Yeah.’

-It could be theorized that they send these randy couples into a waist-deep pool so that more black boxes aren’t needed to mask the lads’ heightened sense of, er, attraction.

-Ah, Johnny. Johnny Johnny Johnny. Aloof was working so well for you. Take it or leave it, babe. All you need is some cool buds, tasty waves and you're fine, to quote the Ridgemontian philosopher Jeff Spicoli. Aloof got you to the late stages with Gabby although she was eventually driven mad by your diffidence. Aloof landed you Vixen Victoria. Now aloof has gone poof and you’re falling into the Rut of Paradise, which is not a geological formation in Mexico but a common agitated emotional state involving paranoia, insecurity, jealousy and repetition of certain phrases in the moments when you aren’t tongue-tied. It will all end in tears. Probably.

-Alex is playing the long game. The longest game. He exercised superhuman effort in not making a move on Victoria during her date. But you can still hear the gears turning in his head as he schemes.

-When did Victoria decide to abandon the title of Insta Influencer to aspire to the role of Old Mother Hubbard?

-Brittany & Tyler are suited so fair play to them. He’s still Jack The Lad but MAY be convinced to be faithful. Brittany is walking the fine line between ‘respectful’ and yielding to animal lust. Doe-eyed Brit doesn’t need the cat eyeliner, by the way.

-The net sarongs seem to be an engineered compromise to keep the black box away for shots of Shanae’s bum…but Serene's is still covered up by the censors.

-During the filming of Star Wars, the arcane sci-fi dialogue came thick and fast. A flustered Harrison Ford famously told George Lucas ‘You can write this s***, George, but you can’t say it!’ So it is with Jesse Palmer delivering his pregnant-with-meaning lines in somewhat unconvincing fashion. Chris Harrison, God bless him, was at most in his element doing his knitted-brow po-face routine. But the women are already driven a bit loopy by isolation, boredom, loneliness and uncertainty so they eat it up anyway.

-The Agonies Of Genevieve are…what? Pointless? Predictable? Much ado about nothing? The equivalent of pumping air into a balloon at one end while the air rushes out the other end? Still, we’re treated to grim-faced interview segments and a bevy of nervous tics as Aaron delivers the ‘terrifying’ revelation that…absolutely nothing happened. Cue floods of tears. Dear Aaron: if your mate is that emotionally distraught during the good (?) times that might be a warning that you’ll get it in the neck during the inevitable bad times.

-Criticism of Logan is easy, occasionally cheap and often deserved but he handles himself like a pro in explaining the situation to Shanae. Maybe it’s because he’s had so much practice. In fact, he’s so good in this instance that Shanae’s how-dare-you act seems even more forced along with her crocodile tears. I’d forgotten Kate putting the boot into Shanae at a TWTA. There has to be an element of delayed revenge here.

-When did Drama Watching become the primary activity of the other villa residents? Why aren’t they off having their own fun? We feel like exasperated parents who say: ‘Hey we built you this nice swimming pool and you never use it!’

-Strange edit during the talk between Genevieve and the newly-jilted Shanae. Genevieve’s manicure is white. We then cut to a shot of someone with red nails leaning on the daybed but Shanae’s rant is (apparently) uncut as they then cut back to the faces of Genevieve and Shanae as her rant continues. The person, barely in shot, is wearing all black and antennae are visible sticking out of her belt. This is, obviously, a producer ‘talking up’ Shanae trying to get her to boil over. But where did Genevieve go? Bathroom break? Pulled out of the convo on purpose only to be reinserted?

-Kate already has her trophy and shows admirable restraint in not bashing Shanae over the head with it although an on-camera gloat comes later.

-Is that really meditation, Jacob? The only time most of us put our feet up in bed is when we’re trying to stop it from spinning.

-God help me, they mumbled so much I thought Brandon's surname was Juggs, not Jones. All sorts of horrible things leapt to mind, like: has Serene Russell fully contemplated the prospect of having Serene Juggs as her married name? Has Serene Russell contemplated the prospect of all the horrible things students might do and say if her nom de l’ecole becomes Mrs Juggs? Jones is boring. But safe.

-Victoria declares the existence of a checklist and then proceeds to deny she has a checklist. She might just have a future in politics.

-A brief shot of Florence prompts a remark or two about Florence. Even in brief shots, Florence is a talker. Well, Florence aka Flo was a Bachelorette and quite the femme fatale in Matty’s season of The Bachelor AU (Matty chose sensible, mature Laura and they are still madly in love with two devastatingly angelic children now). Florence was then in two Australian seasons of Bachelor In Paradise and she chewed scenery throughout both. Florence’s accent is unique given that she was born/raised in the Netherlands and moved to Australia, picking up their vowels while keeping her Dutch consonants. She offered constant on-camera commentary about couples, potential boyfriends, roses but mostly about Florence. She was, in some ways, the Shanae of the Aussie franchise. It’s strange that she’s been sidelined thus far. She’s entertaining if exhausting.

-Speaking of accents, I had Brittany pegged as Minnesota or Wisconsin but per her bio it’s actually Chicago which isn’t far off. And I’d forgotten about the escort drama. Contracts with Wilhelmena Models aren’t handed out willy-nilly but her page on their site is a 404 at present, probably intentionally so. I suppose the point of all that is that she’s probably fully aware of her top-drawer looks and allure.

-There are hundred dark places on a rocky beach at night yet Victoria isn’t pulling Alex into one for a mash. Is the checklist losing to sentiment? Hmmmm…..

Edited October 26, 2022 by Rainsong

[Melonie77]

14 hours ago, dizzyd said:

Well she’s the one that brought it up. If she’s going to make the statement as the reason for looking elsewhere, it’s fair for him to ask her to elaborate. Johnny seems like a nice guy but I just don’t see them together, they’re not on the same page. Besides I still remember Victoria’s franchise history. 

Jessenia is quite the stirrer. Wasn’t she in some drama on the Bachelor too? 

I wonder if Johnny knows Victoria's franchise history.

I seem to remember Jessenia being an annoying and pushy sh*t-stirrer the last time she was on BiP.

[jade.black]

"Kate, what are you doing? You're shorter than her, find the high ground!" had to be the funniest line in the episode.

I also liked Kate (although don't care one way or the other about her) saying unless Shenae had done therapy and ayahuasca, she hadn't changed that much. 

I've surpisingly been a Shenae fan this season. She seems like the only one of these joyless women trying to have a good time.

That's aside from Brittany, who I am hugely crushing on and can't believe doesn't have every guy's attention. That black swimsuit/cover-up she came back in? Holy shit.

I won't take a stance on Victoria in general although she's been much more pleasant than on her season, but Johnny acting like questions about career goals or future plans were outrageous in the face of love really showed his immaturity.

My hatred for Genevieve grows each week.

I have no feelings about the new guys (except Aussie is hot), but it was pretty awful and cruel that they sent Olu and Rick home for no good reason while all the girls - Florence and Sarah - who didn't make connections weren't kicked off. Then they're going to let the other three new guys (and Justin with a comeback) meet the new girls but not those two? Honestly that would put me off signing up for a future season as a potential castmember. Totally arbitrary who they decide to screw over.

Edited October 26, 2022 by jade.black

[Melonie77]

 3 HOURS AGO, RAINSONG SAID:

-Serene doesn’t seem to have a malicious bone in her body but her body language in Casa Amor (more on that later) is about as hostile as it gets for her. Arm across body on opposite knee. Hand in pinching/fist pose. Jaw jutted out. Lots of subconscious scratching – an expression of discomfort.
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Some SM tea that made it into the tabloids claims Olu said or did something to make Serene uncomfortable and Brandon is raging over it.
There were a couple of preview clips involving the 5 hotel men that seem to be missing from the show itself (although I haven't finished watching last night's episode). If I'm remembering correctly one appeared to be a date between Shanae and Olu where they are shown drinking together and she was feeding him strawberries. And another one revealed Brittany kissing Aussie Adam.😲

-It’s not important but why wasn’t Aussie Adam sent home with the other two? His looks? His accent? His alleged showbiz CV? He was and is unattached and is merely playing agony aunt for male and female alike. Now…one might ask how and why these American females have taken no interest in the cut-rate Chris Hemsworth double since he appears to ‘tick all the boxes’ but they’ve got their crushes and are immune. More accurately, most are possessive in the extreme (read: entitled) and are more interested in the power dynamics than the romance. One gets a strong hint that Adam might be a dark horse for the US Bachelor – another casting crossover.
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Some of the BiP cast do indeed seem to be all about the power dynamics and control as well as a healthy sprinkle of desperation!
Brittany spoke up for Adam when Jessie asked about the men so perhaps that's why he was kept and added to the group. I'm not sure when and where that scene of her kissing him took place.
Some of us here talked about Adam being a great idea for a future Bachelor lead. I'd love that! And since it's been reported that he is interested in a Hollywood career it could be a distinct possibility.😍

-Kate was a bit of a non-entity in whichever season she participated. She’s taking some stick for her look and style of communicating but somehow I’ve crossed the pain barrier with her and am managing to have a laugh at her over-the-top accent (which mostly involves talking through her nose) and her pedantic speechifying. It’s reminiscent of a guest star in an overbearing role on ‘Seinfeld.’ She plays Logan like a guitarrón at (as the graphic indicates) the wee hour of exactly 1:23 AM. After hooking up with three women in as many days his hormones are raging more furiously than the surf hitting the rocks. Kate points her breakfast fork at Logan as they plan their assignation and the symbolism couldn’t be more obvious.
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LOL! I can't stand the way Kate talks with that nasally tone of voice. Her constant use of cliched metaphors and similes rattled off with a smug self-satisfied look on her face is so cringe-worthy and repulsive. I can't figure out what Logan sees in her. Out of all the women he has shown interest in, Kate seems to have a hold on him like no other. Was it her massage skills that seemingly stopped his endless jumping from Bachelor cast mate to cast mate?🙃

-Victoria declares the existence of a checklist and then proceeds to deny she has a checklist. She might just have a future in politics.
-There are hundred dark places on a rocky beach at night yet Victoria isn’t pulling Alex into one for a mash. Is the checklist losing to sentiment? Hmmmm…..
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I just had a peek at Victoria's instagram account and I'm afraid her old reputation may be quite accurate. IMO her account looks like a highly-sexual narcissistic advertisement of herself. Most of the photos show her in provocative poses wearing revealing clothes some of which she is in the process of removing.
I wonder what she was doing on this season of BiP???? Attention would be the most likely answer but I don't understand why she played it so safe and why the producers have not used her for more drama. She has been a quiet background cast member until Alex came along.🤷🏻‍♀️

Edited October 26, 2022 by Melonie77

[Melonie77]

14 hours ago, chocolatine said:

I agree, it's really creepy that her mouth is the only part of her face that moves when she talks, like a ventriloquist's dummy.

Jessenia is another one I find really off-putting. Last BIP season she dumped Ivan for Chris, then played the victim when Chris dumped her for Alana. And now it looks like she's trying to pull off the same thing with Andrew and Tyler. She has the personality of a wet dishrag, and I hate that TPTB brought her back for another season.

Thanks for this summary of Jessenia's behavior. I knew she had caused some trouble but couldn't remember what it was. She's kind of bossy and pushy and I feel like she's been forcing herself on Andrew.

[nlkm9]

6 hours ago, Rainsong said:

When you’re having coffee instead of something stronger, the comments get random.

-Every iteration of MS Word gets worse than the last. It presumes to think for you and gets it wrong every time. Opening a document is like trying to keep a dog from sprinting out of the house. Saving one is worse. MS believes that all users want to use the stock folder arrangement (they don’t) and OneDrive (they really don’t). The marketing tail began wagging the user EX dog long ago. Now it’s almost all tail.

-Throwing myself on the mercy of the mods and forum practices to cover last night’s episode and this. They are, as the Gestalt school says, a functional whole.

-Eliza says ‘Some type of way’ – this meaningless phrase should be put in a lead case 1 ft thick and dropped in the middle of the ocean.

-The women reassuring Eliza over Lace’s incursion don’t look very reassuring themselves. Lots of hands-on-face self-soothing body language and gritted teeth.

-They’re always at the ready with ‘don’t get upset’ or ‘don’t get nervous’ but this invariably leads to the person in question getting a) upset, b) nervous, c) both of these.

-Emotional turmoil over lunkhead Rodney is far from worth it even for Lace who gets upset when the sun goes behind a cloud. The crying jag was inevitable along with all the downcast palm-frond eyes.

-Brandon and Serene worry about literally nothing, respectively, but hey it occupies a few minutes of screen time.

-Serene doesn’t seem to have a malicious bone in her body but her body language in Casa Amor (more on that later) is about as hostile as it gets for her. Arm across body on opposite knee. Hand in pinching/fist pose. Jaw jutted out. Lots of subconscious scratching – an expression of discomfort.

-Casa Amor? It's not called that here but it's a Love Island UK invention, duplicated in most other countries’ versions of the program. Some might say the ‘invention’ is itself a ripoff of the mostly-forgotten Temptation Island but the objective is to set the cats amongst the pigeons and hope the feathers fly in both locations. The BIP producers have, by accident or design, omitted the grand finale of the Casa Amor stunt, which is to line up the cast who remain in the villa and force them to decide to recouple or stand pat, then bring in their mates back in from exile. Tears, relief, anger, anguish typically follow. Much more tension-filled than a rose ceremony. Put simply, they missed a trick.

-At this point Michael has done more narration than Jesse. He’s the producers’ teacher’s pet for exposition but enough is enough.

-Jill isn’t expressive, she’s merely a camera hog. Big difference.

-It’s not important but why wasn’t Aussie Adam sent home with the other two? His looks? His accent? His alleged showbiz CV? He was and is unattached and is merely playing agony aunt for male and female alike. Now…one might ask how and why these American females have taken no interest in the cut-rate Chris Hemsworth double since he appears to ‘tick all the boxes’ but they’ve got their crushes and are immune. More accurately, most are possessive in the extreme (read: entitled) and are more interested in the power dynamics than the romance. One gets a strong hint that Adam might be a dark horse for the US Bachelor – another casting crossover.

-‘We’re here to date – that’s what I’m going to do’ declares Shanae. We know how long that laissez faire attitude will last ie not long at all.

-Kate was a bit of a non-entity in whichever season she participated. She’s taking some stick for her look and style of communicating but somehow I’ve crossed the pain barrier with her and am managing to have a laugh at her over-the-top accent (which mostly involves talking through her nose) and her pedantic speechifying. It’s reminiscent of a guest star in an overbearing role on ‘Seinfeld.’ She plays Logan like a guitarrón at (as the graphic indicates) the wee hour of exactly 1:23 AM. After hooking up with three women in as many days his hormones are raging more furiously than the surf hitting the rocks. Kate points her breakfast fork at Logan as they plan their assignation and the symbolism couldn’t be more obvious.

-Sarah a bit of a tragic figure but she chooses poorly, as it were. Jacob is having an even worse streak of bad luck. He may not realize it but his Chilled Out Earth Dude persona makes the ladies fearless in dumping him.

-Kate quote: ‘Yeah.’

-Another Kate quote: ‘Yeah.’

-A third Kate quote: ‘Yeah.’

-It could be theorized that they send these randy couples into a waist-deep pool so that more black boxes aren’t needed to mask the lads’ heightened sense of, er, attraction.

-Ah, Johnny. Johnny Johnny Johnny. Aloof was working so well for you. Take it or leave it, babe. All you need is some cool buds, tasty waves and you're fine, to quote the Ridgemontian philosopher Jeff Spicoli. Aloof got you to the late stages with Gabby although she was eventually driven mad by your diffidence. Aloof landed you Vixen Victoria. Now aloof has gone poof and you’re falling into the Rut of Paradise, which is not a geological formation in Mexico but a common agitated emotional state involving paranoia, insecurity, jealousy and repetition of certain phrases in the moments when you aren’t tongue-tied. It will all end in tears. Probably.

-Alex is playing the long game. The longest game. He exercised superhuman effort in not making a move on Victoria during her date. But you can still hear the gears turning in his head as he schemes.

-When did Victoria decide to abandon the title of Insta Influencer to aspire to the role of Old Mother Hubbard?

-Brittany & Tyler are suited so fair play to them. He’s still Jack The Lad but MAY be convinced to be faithful. Brittany is walking the fine line between ‘respectful’ and yielding to animal lust. Doe-eyed Brit doesn’t need the cat eyeliner, by the way.

-The net sarongs seem to be an engineered compromise to keep the black box away for shots of Shanae’s bum…but Serene's is still covered up by the censors.

-During the filming of Star Wars, the arcane sci-fi dialogue came thick and fast. A flustered Harrison Ford famously told George Lucas ‘You can write this s***, George, but you can’t say it!’ So it is with Jesse Palmer delivering his pregnant-with-meaning lines in somewhat unconvincing fashion. Chris Harrison, God bless him, was at most in his element doing his knitted-brow po-face routine. But the women are already driven a bit loopy by isolation, boredom, loneliness and uncertainty so they eat it up anyway.

-The Agonies Of Genevieve are…what? Pointless? Predictable? Much ado about nothing? The equivalent of pumping air into a balloon at one end while the air rushes out the other end? Still, we’re treated to grim-faced interview segments and a bevy of nervous tics as Aaron delivers the ‘terrifying’ revelation that…absolutely nothing happened. Cue floods of tears. Dear Aaron: if your mate is that emotionally distraught during the good (?) times that might be a warning that you’ll get it in the neck during the inevitable bad times.

-Criticism of Logan is easy, occasionally cheap and often deserved but he handles himself like a pro in explaining the situation to Shanae. Maybe it’s because he’s had so much practice. In fact, he’s so good in this instance that Shanae’s how-dare-you act seems even more forced along with her crocodile tears. I’d forgotten Kate putting the boot into Shanae at a TWTA. There has to be an element of delayed revenge here.

-When did Drama Watching become the primary activity of the other villa residents? Why aren’t they off having their own fun? We feel like exasperated parents who say: ‘Hey we built you this nice swimming pool and you never use it!’

-Strange edit during the talk between Genevieve and the newly-jilted Shanae. Genevieve’s manicure is white. We then cut to a shot of someone with red nails leaning on the daybed but Shanae’s rant is (apparently) uncut as they then cut back to the faces of Genevieve and Shanae as her rant continues. The person, barely in shot, is wearing all black and antennae are visible sticking out of her belt. This is, obviously, a producer ‘talking up’ Shanae trying to get her to boil over. But where did Genevieve go? Bathroom break? Pulled out of the convo on purpose only to be reinserted?

-Kate already has her trophy and shows admirable restraint in not bashing Shanae over the head with it although an on-camera gloat comes later.

-Is that really meditation, Jacob? The only time most of us put our feet up in bed is when we’re trying to stop it from spinning.

-God help me, they mumbled so much I thought Brandon's surname was Juggs, not Jones. All sorts of horrible things leapt to mind, like: has Serene Russell fully contemplated the prospect of having Serene Juggs as her married name? Has Serene Russell contemplated the prospect of all the horrible things students might do and say if her nom de l’ecole becomes Mrs Juggs? Jones is boring. But safe.

-Victoria declares the existence of a checklist and then proceeds to deny she has a checklist. She might just have a future in politics.

-A brief shot of Florence prompts a remark or two about Florence. Even in brief shots, Florence is a talker. Well, Florence aka Flo was a Bachelorette and quite the femme fatale in Matty’s season of The Bachelor AU (Matty chose sensible, mature Laura and they are still madly in love with two devastatingly angelic children now). Florence was then in two Australian seasons of Bachelor In Paradise and she chewed scenery throughout both. Florence’s accent is unique given that she was born/raised in the Netherlands and moved to Australia, picking up their vowels while keeping her Dutch consonants. She offered constant on-camera commentary about couples, potential boyfriends, roses but mostly about Florence. She was, in some ways, the Shanae of the Aussie franchise. It’s strange that she’s been sidelined thus far. She’s entertaining if exhausting.

-Speaking of accents, I had Brittany pegged as Minnesota or Wisconsin but per her bio it’s actually Chicago which isn’t far off. And I’d forgotten about the escort drama. Contracts with Wilhelmena Models aren’t handed out willy-nilly but her page on their site is a 404 at present, probably intentionally so. I suppose the point of all that is that she’s probably fully aware of her top-drawer looks and allure.

-There are hundred dark places on a rocky beach at night yet Victoria isn’t pulling Alex into one for a mash. Is the checklist losing to sentiment? Hmmmm…..

Rainsong, your writing is exquisite and hilarious all at the same time . Serene juggs? Omg. I love everything you write!!

[bravofan27]

Shanea-- she's not sad about Logan, she is pissed that Kate got the best of her.

When Shanea came back for Logan, I would have (given I'm Kate) said, "hell, no" and let Logan make the decision to go or not. That would have been very revealing.

Shanea-- once you try to convince a guy that he likes you, it's over. 

Aaron-- shut up talking shit about Sheana. She is your girls' bestie. 

I LOVE though, that Shanea is ready to take on a new guy to show up both Logan and Kate. She's got balls putting it out there like that. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by bravofan27

[Stats Queen]

28 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Aaron-- shut up talking shit about Sheana. She is your girls' bestie. 

That part I enjoyed. I didn’t really care for Aaron, but I found his talking head funny as a viewer. 
I’m not always a good person.

[LuvMyShows]

23 hours ago, SouthernChick said:

I don’t blame Victoria for wanting to know Johnny’s career goals. She’s looking towards the future. I didn’t appreciate Johnny scoffing at the question.

And his answer, when he finally gave it, was that he is passionate and motivated.  That just sounds sooo unfocused.

[phlebas]

I like that no two of us spell Shanae the same way.  I'm going with Xhennaie from now on.

[Melonie77]

On 10/25/2022 at 9:20 PM, DEL901 said:

Well, it’s clear Brittany and Andrew were together strictly for a rose.  No hard feelings that she’s found someone else. 

Andrew has drifted through this whole experience so far never really into anyone in particular but will take up with whoever is convenient. He doesn't seem that interested in Brittany or Jessenia. And I don't remember him being enthusiastic about anyone else. Maybe he's still waiting for someone new to arrive?

[Melonie77]

On 10/25/2022 at 9:49 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

The EDITING OF THIS EPISODE!

They show Serene saying goodbye to Jill with EVERYONE surrounding them and then suddenly she's in the van "Returning" to the island.  This is so stupid LOL.

I noticed that too! I thought it was weird when Jessie told the girls they all didn't have to return to the beach at the same time. I guess they wanted to be able to film all the reactions without missing anything.

I really hope they never do this switch again. It was abusive and not entertaining at all. I can't believe it was only 2 days as it felt like 2 years to me it dragged for so long. Although I'm not crazy about Genevieve I really felt bad for her when she reconnected with Aaron. Stress is not healthy and the producers suck for putting the cast through that stupid stunt.

[Melonie77]

I finally finished this episode....I didn't like how the group cheered Kate and Logan when they kissed in front of Shanae. I thought that was pretty mean. I agree with everyone here who said Kate's joy in stealing Logan away from Shanae was evil.

The new girls are not likable at all. What was with Jessenia pulling Tyler away  while he was with Brittany? She knew that Andrew was definitely available now after he spoke to Brittany and it was obvious that B had started a relationship w/ T during their time at the hotel.

[chocolatine]

36 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:

What was with Jessenia pulling Tyler away  while he was with Brittany? She knew that Andrew was definitely available now after he spoke to Brittany and it was obvious that B had started a relationship w/ T during their time at the hotel.

It looks like Jessenia is more interested in competing with Brittany than in forming a connection with either Andrew or Tyler.

[bravofan27]

4 hours ago, phlebas said:

I like that no two of us spell Shanae the same way.  I'm going with Xhennaie from now on.

Too many vowels. Too much a before e or e before a or i before c or whatever. Is the a first or last or is the ae first or last. Or is it ea? And then another ea? Also, shouldn't there be a y? Shanay-nay... uhg. 

Horrible name. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by bravofan27

[bravofan27]

5 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

That part I enjoyed. I didn’t really care for Aaron, but I found his talking head funny as a viewer. 
I’m not always a good person.

lol. Same, but I have a soft spot for shianeay-nay. 

Quote

Rainsong, your writing is exquisite and hilarious all at the same time . Serene juggs? Omg. I love everything you write!!

Is Serene juggs Shineay?

Edited October 27, 2022 by bravofan27

[Jax7917]

On 10/25/2022 at 9:02 PM, alexa said:

I hate how the girls that left have to be treated like the extras.  And they are stuck with nothing….the show really messed this up.  They should have just had new people come on the beach like they normally did.  It just makes everyone that is still there so smug.

I don't think the girls were treated like extras. They had the same opportunities the guys did and were in an air- conditioned location which is the biggest win. They had 5 new guys to choose from. They chose to sulk and be miserable the entire time while the guys chose to have fun, even if it wasn't with the intent of being with the new women. Jill chose to leave, no one made her. Shanae was into Tyler, he just wasn't into her. If your " relationship" can't stand 2 days apart, it ain't gonna be workin out in the long run. Logan seems like a woman hopper in general so anyone's better off not being involved with him. 

Genevieve never smiles. She has a constant scowl on her face and seems like she'd be such a bitch in the real world.

[alexa]

2 hours ago, Jax7917 said:

I don't think the girls were treated like extras. They had the same opportunities the guys did and were in an air- conditioned location which is the biggest win. They had 5 new guys to choose from. They chose to sulk and be miserable the entire time while the guys chose to have fun, even if it wasn't with the intent of being with the new women. Jill chose to leave, no one made her. Shanae was into Tyler, he just wasn't into her. If your " relationship" can't stand 2 days apart, it ain't gonna be workin out in the long run. Logan seems like a woman hopper in general so anyone's better off not being involved with him. 

Genevieve never smiles. She has a constant scowl on her face and seems like she'd be such a bitch in the real world.

At first I felt the same way, until I saw the impact of them actually having to leave where the main area where the show is filmed and all of the main activity takes place.  I agree they could have participated more, and that is on them.  However, I think the guys had it far easier...they were in their home base where they had grown comfortable, had the women come to them, and even the guys didn't spend tons of time with the girls -- much of the time they just hung out with each other.  I think the women having to leave made them uncomfortable because they had to pack up, weren't given much information, were thrown in a hotel with no idea what was going on -- it came across as an afterthought versus a fun, planned change.  

I just didn't like the vibe of them returning and the feeling like they no longer belonged as the new women (and many of the men) just stared at them like, who are you and what are you doing here?  It was just very strange and I just think this twist could have been done so much better.  I think it should have been brought up earlier so everyone knew it was going to happen later on, and made it clear that both the men and women would have new people to meet and have the relationships tested.  

And as others have mentioned, just having someone take over your room that you have been staying in, for some is a very awkward feeling.  

[Jax7917]

17 minutes ago, alexa said:

At first I felt the same way, until I saw the impact of them actually having to leave where the main area where the show is filmed and all of the main activity takes place.  I agree they could have participated more, and that is on them.  However, I think the guys had it far easier...they were in their home base where they had grown comfortable, had the women come to them, and even the guys didn't spend tons of time with the girls -- much of the time they just hung out with each other.  I think the women having to leave made them uncomfortable because they had to pack up, weren't given much information, were thrown in a hotel with no idea what was going on -- it came across as an afterthought versus a fun, planned change.  

I just didn't like the vibe of them returning and the feeling like they no longer belonged as the new women (and many of the men) just stared at them like, who are you and what are you doing here?  It was just very strange and I just think this twist could have been done so much better.  I think it should have been brought up earlier so everyone knew it was going to happen later on, and made it clear that both the men and women would have new people to meet and have the relationships tested.  

And as others have mentioned, just having someone take over your room that you have been staying in, for some is a very awkward feeling.  

Yeah, I really don't feel bad for them lol. They are all getting paid nicely daily and all have the same opportunities . If it was just new girls that came and no new guys came, I would agree with you.

They do the same thing on Love Island and the girls leave their villa too for a few days. I don't know why they always have the girls leave but I do notice that the girls on both shows are always much more miserable than the guys. I understand if you like someone and miss them, but you don't have to be so sad and stay to yourself. Have fun with the situation. Though I guess having no phone, books, TV, music etc can make for a very boring day if you have nothing to entertain you.

[alexa]

13 minutes ago, Jax7917 said:

Yeah, I really don't feel bad for them lol. They are all getting paid nicely daily and all have the same opportunities . If it was just new girls that came and no new guys came, I would agree with you.

They do the same thing on Love Island and the girls leave their villa too for a few days. I don't know why they always have the girls leave but I do notice that the girls on both shows are always much more miserable than the guys. I understand if you like someone and miss them, but you don't have to be so sad and stay to yourself. Have fun with the situation. Though I guess having no phone, books, TV, music etc can make for a very boring day if you have nothing to entertain you.

I think with Love Island it works better just because they know it is coming.  I know the Bachelor likes their twists and surprises, but they could have made it more fun for the cast and viewers had it not been thrown out there like -- you will be leaving and the guys will have new women coming, lol.  By doing it the way they did they kind of set the women up for failure.  I think the men would have handled it better, because men care less about things like this :-)  They would have partied it up at the hotel.  At any rate, I don't care about any of these people that much so I am not standing up for them, just saying it kind of sucked for the viewers too, but this whole season kind of sucks :-)

[call me ishmael]

2 hours ago, Jax7917 said:

They do the same thing on Love Island and the girls leave their villa too for a few days.

I'm pretty sure that I have seen at least one Love Island where the guys moved.  You notice that on Love Island they never refer to the guys as "the gentlemen."

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/25/2022 at 8:02 PM, Kiss my mutt said:

Kate gives me the creeps! Her face looks paralyzed like every inch of her face was botoxed and she is loving sticking it to Shanae more than she likes Logan.  They both are diabolical to me but Kate is soulless. I can feel sympathy for Shanae but Kate, nah, bitch. 

Totally agree! Kate is spooky! There is something robotic about her, not to mention her weird voice. When she tells Logan how much she's into him, it sounds forced. I don't believe it for a minute. I think she is preying on a weak guy she can easily manipulate to stay on the show, because Logan is all over the place. He doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb either. 

This show is circling the drain. The supposed love triangle of Victoria, Johnny and Alex seems producer-driven. Did she even kiss him? I don't think she did, right? He commented on it. Well, I don't remember many people on this show choosing someone they haven't kissed and made out with over someone they had. Yes, it's possible, but Victoria keeps talking about how Alec is good "on paper." I expect she will give Johnny her rose, claiming how it shouldn't work, the other guy was a better fit, but she has to be true to her heart and go with Johnny, blah, blah, blah. 

I don't blame her for wanting to know Johnny's goals, but does she really expect to be engaged after a few weeks of this ridiculous show? What happened to just leaving together or saying they'll continue the relationship when they get home? And Victoria is only a few years older than Johnny, so the age difference isn't relevant. It's more about the stage they're at in life. I get that, but gosh, she's coming on pretty strong considering how long she's known the guy. 

This season is so boring they're having to pull stunts like removing the women and having producers create drama, which is what I think happened with Jessenia and Tyler. She isn't interested in him. They're pot-stirring.

I think one of the problems is they haven't had enough new people showing up at regular intervals as they have in previous seasons. They let the groups get uneven before they removed the women. They brought on a bunch of new people at once, giving hardly any time for us to get to know them. They also don't have interesting people. Are they serious with the twins next week? They look 20 years old. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Sweet-tea
Agree about Victoria's Instagram. Yikes. It looks like test photos for Playboy.

[Melonie77]

I've never seen any of these other similar shows like Love Island but I agree with both @alexa and @Jax7917 and both their opinions may be what made this twist such a disaster.

Without a doubt the girls were treated far worse than the guys for the switch. I didn't like how the ladies were NOT told they would be getting new men and the men were not told this either until Lace came back. Why were the men allowed to think they had NO competition for their women while the women not only knew the men got new girls but they saw them come in and knew exactly who they were?
The new women took over their rooms and slept in their beds. Taking over their rooms was very symbolic. The girls felt like they were being replaced.

The ladies were the ones who had to do the work of packing and leaving and being transported for what I believe was about an hour all while the guys splashed in the pool.
The guys were left without any worries over their girls since they were not told new men were coming in to the hotel. The men were spared the anxiety this might have caused. I feel like the twist catered to and favored the men and there was a strong feeling of male chauvinism in the way it was handled.
Even authors covering the story for the usual magazines are writing about how they hope the show does not repeat this 'twist' again.

I'm assuming that Love Island type shows must make it more of a shared experience between the sexes when they do a "Casa Amor". I bet everyone knows that the ladies even if they are the ones to move, will meet new men on these other shows. Keeping that info from the cast here on BiP was the most grievous part of this plot.

Another consideration is that the ladies were not told this switch would take place prior to signing up for the show. It doesn't seem fair that this was not disclosed.

I also agree that some of the ladies handled it terribly. Lace, Jill and Genevieve were the worst candidates to put through this new poorly thought out plot. But they may have emotional issues that made them ill equipped to handle it. I can't help but think that the show knew they were putting potentially emotionally disturbed women through this very stressful situation. If the switch had been approached differently maybe it would have worked better.

The whole thing was a disaster for the viewer as well. Who wants to watch women crying while sprawled in their beds? It was annoying and then it became very uncomfortable to watch. And it was stretched out for way too long. I felt like the girls had been sentenced to some kind of BiP jail despite the improved accommodations.

I'm also disappointed in Jessie's involvement in this plot. I know he has to answer to TPTB but his attitude was really strange. His solemn and serious approach set the tone for the girls and made the move feel like a punishment. He should have presented it in a positive manner explained that they would continue to enjoy paradise at a new location and be offered new men - all this should have been said in front of the beach men. Instead the men were led to believe it was all about them and their opportunities to meet new women while the girls were made to feel they were being shoved out of the way so the men could replace them.

The money spent on the separate location was a total waste! Three of the girls couldn't handle the switch in part due to the way it was presented. Shanae, Brittany and Victoria were partially onboard but the way it was all handled and the extreme reaction of the three emotional ones spoiled the whole experience. Serene is in love with Brandon so everything related to her story and this switch was a total waste of time. And it was cruel to separate the couple.

I agree that the girls were set up to fail.
And the show continues to seem to want to cause problems. Now they are allowing Justin to return apparently because he is interested in Eliza. So I guess we will probably see poor Rodney get hurt next. Drama is always interesting but many viewers would like to see actual relationships develop and not get sabotaged by production.

I've been watching the BiP show since the first season and saw the 3 Bach Pad seasons as well. I sense that production is getting more sadistic and controlling in their approach to the show. Viewers can feel it and cast members are complaining about production and their experiences on social media. This never really happened as much before - where so many leaks about behind the scenes stuff came out. I hope they make changes after this season before they lose more and more opportunities to get interesting cast members to sign up.

Edited October 27, 2022 by Melonie77

[Melonie77]

EDITED 22 MINUTES AGO BY @Sweet-tea · REASON: AGREE ABOUT VICTORIA'S INSTAGRAM. YIKES. IT LOOKS LIKE TEST PHOTOS FOR PLAYBOY.
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Isn't her Instagram pretty wild?!!🤣 That was me who initially wrote about the type of photos she posts ...I know some women will post sexy pics like that but in her case with her reputation and her being a public figure through the Bachelor franchise it seemed like an advertisement! I know she has dated a few Bach men but I wonder just how many she has gone through. She claims to want to marry and have children very soon but her Insta doesn't reflect that at all. I was particularly surprised at the photos of her wearing a crocheted net dress over a bra and thong underwear. And of  course she poses with her back to the camera while slightly bent over!!!😱

Edited October 27, 2022 by Melonie77

[Melonie77]

On 10/25/2022 at 8:47 PM, dizzyd said:

Kate is being more of a sociopath here than shanae. At least she admits to being sadistic. It’s interesting how the guys are reacting so differently towards shanae v lace. 

Most of the women on BiP this year are all from Clayton's season (16 out of 22!) and they remember how Shanae behaved on the Bachelor. The OG girls got to know Shanae in this new environment and since she is behaving better here in paradise they have accepted her and seem to get along fine. Even Genevieve and Shanae have become friends despite being especially opposed to one another on the Bach.

Out of the 5 new girls, 3 of them are also from Clayton's season and they do not know this new version of Shanae. It looks like they have been bad-mouthing Shanae while the OGs were at the hotel and informing the men as well as Florence and Jessenia about their experiences with her in the past. There was some dialogue overheard regarding this. I'm sure Kate led this campaign as she wanted Shenae out of the way. IMO three of the new girls are not very nice people - Kate, Sarah and Jessenia.

You could see one of the consequences of the bad-mouthing when a large group of the beach men and new women cheered Logan and Kate after L dumped Shanae and went off with K. I don't like S much but felt bad for her in that instance.

[Kiss my mutt]

Victoria Fuller actually was a Playboy Centerfold but her Instagram photos look more like Penthouse. 
EDITED TO ADD: I got her confused with a different Victoria Fuller who is a playmate. So sorry I jumped the gun with this info. Mods-if you could delete, I’d appreciate it. I apologize for my error.

Edited October 27, 2022 by Kiss my mutt
Bad info

[Melonie77]

@Kiss my mutt
That's weird that there's another person named Victoria Fuller who did indeed pose. She's a lot older than the BIP Victoria but I see other people on the Internet have gotten them confused and there are a couple of sites that say it's the Bach VF!
The photos from the Bachelor VF's Insta look like the type you might bring to Playboy's attention to see if they are interested in you as a model. 😉

Edited October 27, 2022 by Melonie77

[Kiss my mutt]

19 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:

OMG I don't think I knew this!🤣 Was this brought up on Pilot Pete's season?
I knew Jade posed.
Poor Johnny - I wonder how much he knows about Victoria? And I'm wondering how much Alex knows - he may be after what he thinks might be a sure thing.

I apologize-I got her confused with a different Victoria Fuller. Apparently she hasn’t posed for them, but looks like she’s well on her way.  So sorry for the misinformation. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[alexa]

2 hours ago, Melonie77 said:

I've never seen any of these other similar shows like Love Island but I agree with both @alexa and @Jax7917 and both their opinions may be what made this twist such a disaster.

Without a doubt the girls were treated far worse than the guys for the switch. I didn't like how the ladies were NOT told they would be getting new men and the men were not told this either until Lace came back. Why were the men allowed to think they had NO competition for their women while the women not only knew the men got new girls but they saw them come in and knew exactly who they were?
The new women took over their rooms and slept in their beds. Taking over their rooms was very symbolic. The girls felt like they were being replaced.

The ladies were the ones who had to do the work of packing and leaving and being transported for what I believe was about an hour all while the guys splashed in the pool.
The guys were left without any worries over their girls since they were not told new men were coming in to the hotel. The men were spared the anxiety this might have caused. I feel like the twist catered to and favored the men and there was a strong feeling of male chauvinism in the way it was handled.
Even authors covering the story for the usual magazines are writing about how they hope the show does not repeat this 'twist' again.

I'm assuming that Love Island type shows must make it more of a shared experience between the sexes when they do a "Casa Amor". I bet everyone knows that the ladies even if they are the ones to move, will meet new men on these other shows. Keeping that info from the cast here on BiP was the most grievous part of this plot.

Another consideration is that the ladies were not told this switch would take place prior to signing up for the show. It doesn't seem fair that this was not disclosed.

I also agree that some of the ladies handled it terribly. Lace, Jill and Genevieve were the worst candidates to put through this new poorly thought out plot. But they may have emotional issues that made them ill equipped to handle it. I can't help but think that the show knew they were putting potentially emotionally disturbed women through this very stressful situation. If the switch had been approached differently maybe it would have worked better.

The whole thing was a disaster for the viewer as well. Who wants to watch women crying while sprawled in their beds? It was annoying and then it became very uncomfortable to watch. And it was stretched out for way too long. I felt like the girls had been sentenced to some kind of BiP jail despite the improved accommodations.

I'm also disappointed in Jessie's involvement in this plot. I know he has to answer to TPTB but his attitude was really strange. His solemn and serious approach set the tone for the girls and made the move feel like a punishment. He should have presented it in a positive manner explained that they would continue to enjoy paradise at a new location and be offered new men - all this should have been said in front of the beach men. Instead the men were led to believe it was all about them and their opportunities to meet new women while the girls were made to feel they were being shoved out of the way so the men could replace them.

The money spent on the separate location was a total waste! Three of the girls couldn't handle the switch in part due to the way it was presented. Shanae, Brittany and Victoria were partially onboard but the way it was all handled and the extreme reaction of the three emotional ones spoiled the whole experience. Serene is in love with Brandon so everything related to her story and this switch was a total waste of time. And it was cruel to separate the couple.

I agree that the girls were set up to fail.
And the show continues to seem to want to cause problems. Now they are allowing Justin to return apparently because he is interested in Eliza. So I guess we will probably see poor Rodney get hurt next. Drama is always interesting but many viewers would like to see actual relationships develop and not get sabotaged by production.

I've been watching the BiP show since the first season and saw the 3 Bach Pad seasons as well. I sense that production is getting more sadistic and controlling in their approach to the show. Viewers can feel it and cast members are complaining about production and their experiences on social media. This never really happened as much before - where so many leaks about behind the scenes stuff came out. I hope they make changes after this season before they lose more and more opportunities to get interesting cast members to sign up.

You summed that up very well!  Covers many of the reasons why it bothered me how they did the twist.

[Melonie77]

1 minute ago, alexa said:

You summed that up very well!  Covers many of the reasons why it bothered me how they did the twist.

I really doubt they will do it this way again. They're getting a lot of negative feedback on it.

I remember one recent season they did something like this but I think they all went to a dance hall and met a new group of people together. Maybe it was last year?

[nlkm9]

19 hours ago, Melonie77 said:

I noticed that too! I thought it was weird when Jessie told the girls they all didn't have to return to the beach at the same time. I guess they wanted to be able to film all the reactions without missing anything.

I really hope they never do this switch again. It was abusive and not entertaining at all. I can't believe it was only 2 days as it felt like 2 years to me it dragged for so long. Although I'm not crazy about Genevieve I really felt bad for her when she reconnected with Aaron. Stress is not healthy and the producers suck for putting the cast through that stupid stunt.

it was only 2 days? i thought it was a week

1 hour ago, Melonie77 said:

I really doubt they will do it this way again. They're getting a lot of negative feedback on it.

I remember one recent season they did something like this but I think they all went to a dance hall and met a new group of people together. Maybe it was last year?

i think that was a wedding that only certain people were invited to--that was also mean.

[nlkm9]

8 hours ago, alexa said:

I think with Love Island it works better just because they know it is coming.  I know the Bachelor likes their twists and surprises, but they could have made it more fun for the cast and viewers had it not been thrown out there like -- you will be leaving and the guys will have new women coming, lol.  By doing it the way they did they kind of set the women up for failure.  I think the men would have handled it better, because men care less about things like this :-)  They would have partied it up at the hotel.  At any rate, I don't care about any of these people that much so I am not standing up for them, just saying it kind of sucked for the viewers too, but this whole season kind of sucks :-)

exactly, many folks would not sign knowing it was a temptation island experience. Still dont know why the girls didnt know they were getting men.

17 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

lol. Same, but I have a soft spot for shianeay-nay. 

Is Serene juggs Shineay?

no if serene marries brandon

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On 10/26/2022 at 10:59 AM, Rainsong said:

Ah, Johnny. Johnny Johnny Johnny. Aloof was working so well for you. Take it or leave it, babe. All you need is some cool buds, tasty waves and you're fine, to quote the Ridgemontian philosopher Jeff Spicoli. Aloof got you to the late stages with Gabby although she was eventually driven mad by your diffidence. Aloof landed you Vixen Victoria. Now aloof has gone poof and you’re falling into the Rut of Paradise, which is not a geological formation in Mexico but a common agitated emotional state involving paranoia, insecurity, jealousy and repetition of certain phrases in the moments when you aren’t tongue-tied. It will all end in tears. Probably.

To be honest, I'm kinda digging Johnny now and I thought he was unattractive before. Maybe I have bad taste; at least for reality tv guys.