Current Plots Discussion II: Discussing Today's Episode and Current Storylines

[DaphneCat]

I thought somewhere in this convoluted mess, Melinda Trask was threatening Leo by telling him she had the steak knife with his fingerprints on it.  Suddenly, Clyde got it back and used it on Sonny?

They really did use the dartboard method to write this didn't they?  Now that they've finally revealed who killed Abigail it seems like all the other plots lately, big build-up, plot goes nowhere and fizzles out completely.  Clyde really is one step above random day player in his motivation.  At this point Harold would have made more sense as the killer.

[SouthernChick]

I’m so glad that child molester is dead. And that’s all I got to say about today’s episode.

[Swartz]

Cady is so bad at this

[CanaryFan98]

48 minutes ago, SouthernChick said:

I’m so glad that child molester is dead. And that’s all I got to say about today’s episode.

Is he really dead though? This is Days after all but yes lets hope it sticks.

I love James Read but not in this role he made my skin crawl(which means he did a good job obviously)

[WendyCR72]

10 hours ago, Lucas Rowan said:

Too easy to think that Jennifer's about to run Gwen down with her car.  Has to be someone else.

Who(m)ever it is should get a key to the city.

[Pearson80]

22 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Is he really dead though? This is Days after all but yes lets hope it sticks.

I love James Read but not in this role he made my skin crawl(which means he did a good job obviously)

I don't think that they ever used Clyde to his full potential as a villain. 

James Read is a good actor and I remember him from the mini series North and South.

[RedElf]

Today's was a pretty good show.  The Nancy and Bonnie scenes were boring, but everything else was really good.  Clyde finally showed some backbone instead of sniveling like he's been doing.

Did that pill label say Naproxen?  Isn't that just a pain reliever?

I hope we get a scene where Kate tells everybody in town she's sorry for inflicting the Weston family on them.

Nice carpet they have pretending to be grass.

1 hour ago, SouthernChick said:

’m so glad that child molester is dead

He didn't look dead to me.

Edited September 27, 2022 by RedElf

[Frozendiva]

8 minutes ago, Pearson80 said:

I don't think that they ever used Clyde to his full potential as a villain. 

James Read is a good actor and I remember him from the mini series North and South.

I remember him from Remington Steele.

[CanaryFan98]

31 minutes ago, Frozendiva said:

I remember him from Remington Steele.

I never got around to watching that show I was rather young and you would think I would be now considering it has so many actors I enjoyed through the years on it.

However I remember him as Pru/Piper/Phoebe's dad on Charmed, North and South and as Beth's dad on American Dreams(an NBC drama set in the 60s in Philadelphia featuring one white family and one black family)

[Peanut6711]

11 hours ago, Lucas Rowan said:

So Clyde didn't stab Abigail accidentally while struggling with her.  He really did do it on purpose.  Wow.

That said, as much as others here apparently hate being reminded of it, she was a big part of why Ben snapped, and I was oddly pleased to hear Clyde throw that in her face, too.  (Though he should've mentioned that Chad played his own part in that, as well.)

I haven't seen the episode yet, but I might have to watch it just for the scene of Clyde sticking it to Abs (no pun intended) over her role in Ben Goes Psycho.

Back when KM played the role, I'd have paid good money to see someone....anyone stab Abs on purpose. 

8 hours ago, 4evaQuez said:

3. I thought the Clyde/Abby scenes made literally no sense. MM's Abby is a petite woman and JR's Clyde is a hulking man. He even has height on Chad who's at least 6'. I'm supposed to believe she's in her house, presumably alone, - I'm never sure when the Dimera house has it's plot driven security or not - and she sees Clyde Weston. Instead of immediately running for her life since she knows for a fact that Clyde is a violent psychopath, she questions him, antagonizes him, and then informs him she's calling the cops. She doesn't even lock and barricade herself in her room. She just leaves the door wide open and shows absolutely no fear when he enters her room, closes the door, waltzes past her, grabs a knife, and starts yelling years of pent up anger and frustration. He even tells her he had EJ shot and he's coming after EJ's "Lady Lawyer," and she still just calmly tells him he'll never get away with hurting her. I've long had an issue with MM's mostly bored and detached interpretation of the Abby character, and I can't say I'm sad to see her go.

I could buy Abigail thinking she could stand up to him, question him, and antagonize him.  She behaved similarly to Kristin on Tasty Chicken Island. She always has been full of herself. 

[Artsda]

So EJ found a gun on way from city hall to cemetery? 

I really hope since they have MM back they film a scene of her in the lab. 

[brisbydog]

56 minutes ago, Artsda said:

So EJ found a gun on way from city hall to cemetery? 

I really hope since they have MM back they film a scene of her in the lab. 

I assumed he picked up the gun Chad dropped 

[norcalgal]

3 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

However I remember him as Pru/Piper/Phoebe's dad on Charmed, North and South and as Beth's dad on American Dreams(an NBC drama set in the 60s in Philadelphia featuring one white family and one black family)

Yeah, I remember him for North and South, Charmed and a long ago NBC show about a late night radio talk show. I think the show was called Midnight Caller…?  Read played the boyfriend of the woman who owned the radio station. 

[boes]

So, I guess Abigail ended up going to Mime heaven?  

Either that, or she was the Ghost of Silent Bob in drag.

I hate to say it, because I loved Cady on AMC, but she's really terrible as Jennifer.  All I want to do is reach through the screen and cut her hair.

[Frozendiva]

Nice of Bonnie to be a shoulder to Nancy.

I did enjoy Clyde telling Chad what happened in glorious Technicolor style. Abigail did contribute to Ben’s behavior. Clyde wasn’t sorry. She should have locked the door and maybe clonked him with the jewelry box. At least now we will get a break from yelling Chad.

Nice work, Gwen, telling you dad about his wife’s drug problem. Jen hallucinating silent Abs, driving high, and probably going to see things or lose control. She should just stop the car.

Poor Leo, finding the musical theatre options at the Salem PD jail to be slim.

[Peanut6711]

1 hour ago, boes said:

Either that, or she was the Ghost of Silent Bob in drag.

ROTFLMAO

And does that make Chad Jay? 😁

Edited September 28, 2022 by Peanut6711

[enchantingmonkey]

1 hour ago, boes said:

I hate to say it, because I loved Cady on AMC, but she's really terrible as Jennifer.  All I want to do is reach through the screen and cut her hair.

She was so good on ATWT, so I'm cutting her some slack.  Plus, They keep giving her these overwrought, emotional scenes without any kind of development, so I can see why her performance feels OTT.  But, yeah, she's just not doing great work trying to be Jennifer.   

So it was Clyde? I guess it wasn't as stupid as Jan killing Charlie but it still didn't feel like a satisfying resolution.  I did appreciate James Read's dry delivery of the gory details, because Clyde has been a criminal for as long as we've known him, so I don't think this murder was anything out of the ordinary for him.  

If They had spent some time with Nancy's wounded ego after Craig, and Clyde making her feel attractive again, then MAYBE I could have given a damn about their relationship falling apart but Nancy and Clyde were so rushed and peripheral that I couldn't bother with all of those crying scenes with Bonnie.  Plus, Bonnie.  Ugh.  It still pains me that Judi was one of my favorite characters on Guiding Light, and now I can barely stand to watch her.  

[WendyCR72]

19 minutes ago, enchantingmonkey said:

Plus, Bonnie.  Ugh.  It still pains me that Judi was one of my favorite characters on Guiding Light, and now I can barely stand to watch her.  

To quote the esteemed @boes, we lost Adrienne for THIS?!

[Soapy Goddess]

19 hours ago, Lucas Rowan said:

So . . . why would Marci agree to come back for a nonspeaking role?

She did speak. Remember those scenes with Clyde? It may not have been much, but she was hardly mute.

But to answer your question...even if she didn't utter a word, that's easy money. Go to work, sit or stand there, get paid and go home. What's not to like about that? 😉

[Soapy Goddess]

1 minute ago, Lucas Rowan said:

Marci pre-taped all of the scenes leading up to Abigail's murder before she left.  The hallucination of Jennifer's was after she came back.

Since both scenes aired the same day, one would think they were taped on the same day. How do you know they weren't? 

Regardless, like I said upthread...easy money. How many people would love to show up at work for an hour or so and never have to say a word?

[Soapy Goddess]

Just now, Lucas Rowan said:

Marci herself has said so.

Ok, I don't follow Marci...so maybe you can ask her yourself? 😁

[tribeca]

Have not had a chance to watch the last episode.  Reading here it looks like we are going back to blaming Abby for Ben killings? 
He had angry issues before Abby even meet him. It really annoys me that she will be blamed and I am wondering if I should watch it or save myself the stress.  

[peachmangosteen]

14 hours ago, RedElf said:

Did that pill label say Naproxen?  Isn't that just a pain reliever?

I thought it started with 'Nil.'

36 minutes ago, tribeca said:

Have not had a chance to watch the last episode.  Reading here it looks like we are going back to blaming Abby for Ben killings? 
He had angry issues before Abby even meet him. It really annoys me that she will be blamed and I am wondering if I should watch it or save myself the stress.  

It sounds like it was just Clyde saying it so it's not like the show is really trying to push that narrative. But honestly I skipped pretty much all of the Clyde/Chad/murder flashback scenes so I don't really know lol.

[4evaQuez]

1 hour ago, tribeca said:

Have not had a chance to watch the last episode.  Reading here it looks like we are going back to blaming Abby for Ben killings? 
He had angry issues before Abby even meet him. It really annoys me that she will be blamed and I am wondering if I should watch it or save myself the stress.  

Clyde is the only person saying it, and he's the man we see viciously kill her in the same episode. No one on the show agrees with his reasoning.

Just yesterday I said I thought CM was terrible as Jennifer Rose. While I still hold that position, I thought the Julie/Jennifer scene was phenomenal.

I thought JR did a good job as Clyde and taunting Jack. 

[KBrownie]

13 hours ago, Lucas Rowan said:

Marci pre-taped all of the scenes leading up to Abigail's murder before she left.  The hallucination of Jennifer's was after she came back.

Source?

I believe both sets of scenes were after she came back.  When they settled on Clyde as the killer. There’s no way that Clyde as the killer was planned from the beginning. It’s easy enough to put MM in the same robe/nightgown as when Abigail was killed. She may have filmed those first flashbacks with the retcon at the same time, but came back to do the ones for their lame reveal and the ghost scenes with Jennifer. 
 

As for today’s episode, Gwen can seriously STFU. 

REALLY wench?! YOU, of ALL people, can’t believe someone would do something like that & drive off?!  Seriously?  What about all the nasty, INTENTIONAL things you’ve done & not given AF about the fallout?  In fact, you’ve hoped for the worst impact possible.

This bitch just is the worst.

I don’t GAF if Jennifer WAS the one who hit her. She shouldn’t even be in this story, but gotta try, YET AGAIN, to get people to feel sorry for her.  This should have been all about Jennifer and her grief and Jack’s failures, due to his obsession and guilt towards the retcon, not being there for his wife in her time of need.  But now it’s about fucking Gwen. If ever there was a character that needed a break, it’s this one  

Even if Jennifer did it (b/c if it was her, why not just show it), at least it’ll have been an accident. UNLIKE most of the retcon’s shit. Someone MUST remind her of Laura when Gwen no doubt has the nerve to demand justice for herself. Remember how you claimed ACCIDENT and therefore you weren’t responsible Gwen?

Nope. 

She poisoned Abby, making multiple attempts on her life & got away w/ it. She poisoned Sarah with no regard for her well-being and served two days before getting a free pass.

But she will cry big tears and want justice for herself.  

Nasty bitch.

Jack needs to remember all this as well.  His next move here will make or break his character. If they have him sell Jennifer out in ANY way in favor of the retcon, when he’s asked all of them to be “understanding” and ignore all she did to them, Jack will be truly destroyed as a character.  There should be no “torn between Jennifer and Gwen” on his end.  But there’s apparently no character or history that won’t be sacrificed to prop Gwen. It’s been over two years now and the character continues to be an utter dud.

ETA:  Having said all this, YES, Jennifer needs help and Jack needed to know what was going on with her, but Gwen did NOT need to be involved in this whatsoever. Her inclusion will shift the focus back on her and grievances and continue to drag Jack, Jennifer, whoever else gets sacrificed in service of trying to salvage the unsalvageable.

Somewhat unrelated, I love how CM, in all her recent interviews keeps ALL the focus on Jennifer and her grief and doesn’t mention the stupid retcon at all. 

Edited September 28, 2022 by KBrownie

[SouthernChick]

I thought Cady was much better as Jennifer today. I really enjoyed her scenes with Julie when Jennifer admitted her addiction.

[rcc]

1 minute ago, SouthernChick said:

I thought Cady was much better as Jennifer today. I really enjoyed her scenes with Julie when Jennifer admitted her addiction.

Very well acted by CM and SSH. They worked really well together.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, rcc said:

Very well acted by CM and SSH. They worked really well together.

I know Julie can be OTT, but Susan Seaforth Hayes, doing this for so long, she probably knows how to help her screen partners when they need it.

Sounds like the case here. And even if Jenn is not MR, the family tie and history with Julie does help.

[Swartz]

Jack went from being all worried about Jennifer to ditching her when she found out about Gwen.  It didn't play well at all especially when he gets to the hospital and when he finds out that Gwen is going to be ok he's like smiling and happy. I mean I get it but it didn't play right when he just found out his wife is popping pills again 

[Artsda]

Chad and EJ were pretty good together letting Clyde die and just chatting away talking to him. They made a good Dimera brother duo in the banter. And when they were laughing over EJs wanting to shoot him.

Wish he'd not lived. He sure recovered fast. 

Xander should be totally not sitting by Gwen's side. 

[Frozendiva]

Was surprised that Clyde made it. I did enjoy EJ and Chad talking to him as he laid on the ground.

Jack being happy that Gwen was all right seemed a weird bookend to finding out your wife is facing her addiction. Xander did not seem necessary. It was nice to see Sarah back at work. Julie did a good job supporting Jen.

Most likely it will be Jen who ran Gwen down. But it would be nice to have it be someone random.

[Prairiemakeup]

Jack realizing that it was most likely his wife who ran over his daughter could be interesting. I thought Gwen would remember it was Jennifer and then hold it over her head. 

[RedElf]

It look like they cut right into the middle of a scene of Xarah.

At least they put choke fingerprints on Chad's neck.

Are there no cameras outside of the Salem PD station?

Julie is bearable when she's acting as the family matriarch instead of the screeching harpy.

[WendyCR72]

20 minutes ago, Prairiemakeup said:

Jack realizing that it was most likely his wife who ran over his daughter could be interesting. I thought Gwen would remember it was Jennifer and then hold it over her head. 

GO, JEN!

Jack can take his retcon spawn and kick rocks if he dares get self righteous. Especially after everything Gwen has done to Jen's own mother and Jen's daughter over time.

1 hour ago, Artsda said:

Xander should be totally not sitting by Gwen's side. 

As I said, tired triangle time. If Xander softens toward the bitch that scrambled Sarah's brain, they can have each other.

[Frozendiva]

13 minutes ago, RedElf said:

It look like they cut right into the middle of a scene of Xarah.

At least they put choke fingerprints on Chad's neck.

Are there no cameras outside of the Salem PD station?

Julie is bearable when she's acting as the family matriarch instead of the screeching harpy.

There should be surveillance cameras outside the police station. Some here have spaces that you can meet your Kjiji or Marketplace, etc. buyer so you have a safe transaction. City Hall seemed pretty small too.

[WendyCR72]

4 minutes ago, Lucas Rowan said:

What has she done, exactly?  Hmm?  That was an accident and has been established has such.  Try again.

Except Gwen made a BIG deal out of saying it may not have been. While I doubt anything will come of it since she is a Carlivati pet, if not for Gwen, Laura would likely be alive.

You like Gwen. Terrific! I don't.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Lucas Rowan said:

Not necessarily like.  I simply don't hate her.  And there are way, way, way, way, way worse characters on canvas than Gwen.  At least she has moments where she does do the right thing.  As opposed to several others who don't even do that.

Live and let live. I'm glad you can find something good about the character.

I can't. Shrug. I DO hate her. So I guess there's an emotion for every character and poster. Makes things less boring that way.

[WendyCR72]

1 minute ago, Lucas Rowan said:

Good for you, then.  I never, ever, ever agree with you on that.  So request to move on from that?>:(

You continue to like her; I will continue to hate her. And the universe is in balance! 😎

[boes]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Live and let live. I'm glad you can find something good about the character.

I can't. Shrug. I DO hate her. So I guess there's an emotion for every character and poster. Makes things less boring that way.

I'm sitting at your table.  

If Jenn did try to run her over, I only wish she'd gone back and tried again.

[boes]

3 hours ago, Lucas Rowan said:

Not necessarily like.  I simply don't hate her.  And there are way, way, way, way, way worse characters on canvas than Gwen.  At least she has moments where she does do the right thing.  As opposed to several others who don't even do that.

Ah, yes, the "even a broken clock is right twice a day" school of virtue.

In which case, Gwen's clock has yet to hit the correct ring twice.

But I get it.  Julie can be right but that doesn't make her any less annoying in my book.

But I still wish Jenn decided to always consider Gwen a speed bump.  Nothin' but nothin' should have her forgiving that low rent fish and chips, ever, IMO.

[SouthernChick]

Beautiful Chad and Abby scenes today. 

[peachmangosteen]

Today was enjoyable.

Ava and Johnny have fantastic chem. I'm so happy they're not done yet.

They really need to move on with Johnny/Allie/Chanel. They have the same convos over and over.

[Swartz]

Johnny, Allie and Chanel are so boring.   Chanel is the only one who is worth keeping around.

Back to yesterdays episode.  They really should use Steve with Jack.  Jack actually feels like Jack when he's around Steve.  

[Artsda]

Allie is horrid to her brother. I wish Johnny would be done with her. 

Wish Clyde would have killed Allie instead of even better Gwen of Kristen. 

Chad and Abby were so well done. Abby's words to him brought tears to my eyes . I really hope she's not dead. They messed up killing off such a legacy character. 

Her hair colour is different since dying. Lol she dresses better too. 

Gabi's yellow outfit was nice. 

Shin jinxed his wedding. He knows it'll blow up. 

[RedElf]

Yeah, EJ, Abigail was "very dear" to Stefan.  No, the fake Gabi was dear to him.

Peacock's white closed captioning blends into Abigail's white dress. Also, the captions keep saying "Gabby" instead of "Gabi".

Ally is acting just like her mother.

[Frozendiva]

The only reason EJ wants Johnny and Ava at the house is to get their DiMera stock. Nothing to do with family.

I would not be sleeping half naked as a houseguest on my sister’s couch. Good for Allie for kicking him out. Yeah, she is like her mom.

Nancy, good for you to ask Clyde if you were to be his next victim. Too bad you did not throw the ring at him.

Stefan, flowers and probably lingerie gifts are not the best thing. You did like it when Abs was Gabby.

Nice send off for Chad and Abs. He will find another love at some point. No, you do not love the identical way, but there will be room in his heart for another. Or until Abs comes back from the dead.

[RedElf]

14 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Nice send off for Chad and Abs. He will find another love at some point. No, you do not love the identical way, but there will be room in his heart for another. Or until Abs comes back from the dead.

Likely the return will occur when he's at the altar with his new love.

[SouthernChick]

Kristen is not enjoyable at all. I’m tired of her calling Chloe a whore and saying crap like she wants Rolf to fry her brain.

[RedElf]

I'm a Libra, and none of that described me.

I was going to ask why Joy didn't remember Chloe's birthday, but then she explained it.

Kayla in her hospital bed with her diamond earrings and diamond bracelets. And Kate in her sickbed with her jewelry.

Chloe keeps champagne flutes in her hotel room?  Does she have pots and pans and a stove in there, too? If Stefan was going to show up with champagne and OJ, couldn't he have bothered to bring glasses?

The "champagne" looked like sparkling apple juice in Stefan's glass, which is what I assumed it was, which made me think the combination with OJ is pretty nasty, and Chloe didn't even sip it.

Was Roman being played by Josh Taylor during the story about the toxin?  I was thinking that they should have done flashbacks to back then, but there were a different Kristen and a different Rolf back then, but probably the same Roman.

Kristen is going to make a deal for custody in exchange for the cure.

[JBC344]

33 minutes ago, RedElf said:

I'm a Libra, and none of that described me.

I was going to ask why Joy didn't remember Chloe's birthday, but then she explained it.

Kayla in her hospital bed with her diamond earrings and diamond bracelets. And Kate in her sickbed with her jewelry.

Chloe keeps champagne flutes in her hotel room?  Does she have pots and pans and a stove in there, too? If Stefan was going to show up with champagne and OJ, couldn't he have bothered to bring glasses?

The "champagne" looked like sparkling apple juice in Stefan's glass, which is what I assumed it was, which made me think the combination with OJ is pretty nasty, and Chloe didn't even sip it.

Was Roman being played by Josh Taylor during the story about the toxin?  I was thinking that they should have done flashbacks to back then, but there were a different Kristen and a different Rolf back then, but probably the same Roman.

Kristen is going to make a deal for custody in exchange for the cure.

Yes, this is actually what brought Josh Taylor to the show as Roman. He was missing,  Kristen found him, brought him back to Salem (of course to help her break up John/Marlena). Roman was infected and dying, which put a wrench in John and Marlena's happy reunion.