S02.E06: Performance Review

[shapeshifter]

Earlier in the episode when Alice was taking pictures in Mabel’s apartment and Mabel asked Alice what she was doing, Alice replied that it was “a surprise.”

Is there any chance that Alice thought Mabel would like the project?

[Haleth]

5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Earlier in the episode when Alice was taking pictures in Mabel’s apartment and Mabel asked Alice what she was doing, Alice replied that it was “a surprise.”

Is there any chance that Alice thought Mabel would like the project?

Probably, but man, did she misread the room!

[meep.meep]

Could the glitter guy be Oscar using his father's phone?  They wouldn't know the number, but he could have been in the building and texted them.

Or it could be related to Mabel's father who (dun dun dun dun) just got brought up in this episode.  Fathers and how they may not be what they're made out to be are a real theme this season.

[grandmabegum]

I rewatched the scene where Mabel walks in on Alice's project. After Mabel sort of goes into shock and things get blurry/distorted Alicia does say something about Her trying to help with Mabel's trauma. Not sure how easily it is heard, but I had CC on and that's what it says.

Also on reddit someone said something that made a lot of sense to me. I firmly believe that Kreps is shady and is behind all the evidence tampering. I couldn't figure out the phone. The reddit person said that Bunny may have sent the first text and after Bunny's death Kreps took the phone. So he was privy to the texts the trio sent.

My other thought: He makes a huge deal about shutting down the podcasts and that this case was a huge deal for him. I think he doesn't care about the podcast AT ALL. He cares that the podcast means our trio, plus other true crime fans like the Arconiacs, will be investigating Bunny's murder, etc. If he doesn't solve it before them he looks like a fool. Since it appears he's not so great at solving crime his best bet is to hinder their investigation as much as possible by stealing/tampering with any evidence/clues they find.

Still think he's probably being "paid" for what he's doing, but that payment may be in the form of a promotion, etc. and not just money.

[MollyB]

14 hours ago, grandmabegum said:

Her being on maternity leave, not suspicious. In Denver? That's where it gets suspicious.

Not if you want to make sure the podsters do not contact her.  I'm also suspicious of Krepps, not as the killer, but as someone who wants to make a name for himself.  I think he would have had access to Williams work phone while she's on leave and sent the message to meet when the trio texted it.  He may have called the meeting in Bunny's apartment on the off chance they would give him the matchbook.  If we see glitter on his desk, the jig is up!

Edited July 27, 2022 by MollyB
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[grandmabegum]

1 minute ago, MollyB said:

Not if you want to make sure the podsters do not contact her. 

Yes  that is certainly why he said Denver. I'm just saying it's suspicious that a couple with a newly born baby would travel to a different state as it is very unsafe for the child and would be highly discouraged by doctors.

[sistermagpie]

2 hours ago, grandmabegum said:

Yes  that is certainly why he said Denver. I'm just saying it's suspicious that a couple with a newly born baby would travel to a different state as it is very unsafe for the child and would be highly discouraged by doctors.

If her family was there I think it would make sense. She might have gone out there to have the baby.

[peachmangosteen]

5 hours ago, meep.meep said:

Could the glitter guy be Oscar using his father's phone? 

That's what I was thinking. I think it's mainly wishful thinking though because I miss Oscar lol.

[grandmabegum]

2 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

If her family was there I think it would make sense. She might have gone out there to have the baby.

You also aren't supposed to fly that late in a pregnancy as there are risks. If Kreps had chosen a location that wasn't halfway across the country maybe I'd believe it.

[shapeshifter]

Hah. It's probably Denver, NY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver,_New_York

Probably the grandparents live there.

Edited July 27, 2022 by shapeshifter

[grandmabegum]

Kudos to you, @shapeshifter

[shapeshifter]

47 minutes ago, grandmabegum said:

Kudos to you, @shapeshifter

Thanks, but it should have dawned on me earlier.
NY state is lousy with city and town names that are famous elsewhere. 
I only moved to western NY in 2021, and currently live in Greece, adjacent to Charlotte. My daughter's in-laws live in Newark, and yes, that's Newark, NY, not Newark, NJ, where Mom was born and raised. I see there's also a Rome and a Berlin.
When I was a kid before we moved to Chicago, we used to got to Point Pleasant, NJ for a couple of weeks in the summer. 
Now when I drive home from my daughter's house, I pass Point Pleasant, NY -- which is sadly not the same.

So I guess Detective Kreps saying Detective Williams was on maternity leave in Denver was a little misdirect for the viewers by the writers? Or do our intrepid trio of podcasters think she's in Colorado too?

Edited July 28, 2022 by shapeshifter

[paigow]

15 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

NY state is lousy with city and town names that are famous elsewhere. 

Plus these other states... for another misdirection game...

Denver Basin, a geologic basin in eastern Colorado

Denver, Illinois, an unincorporated community

Denver Township, Richland County, Illinois

Denver, Indiana, a town

Denver, Iowa, a city

Denver, Kentucky, an unincorporated community

Denver Township, Isabella County, Michigan

Denver Township, Newaygo County, Michigan

Denver Township, Rock County, Minnesota

Denver, Missouri, a village

Denver Township, Adams County, Nebraska

Denver, North Carolina, a census-designated place and unincorporated community

Denver, Ross County, Ohio, an unincorporated community

Denver, Wood County, Ohio, an unincorporated community

Denver, Pennsylvania, a borough

Denver City, Texas, a town

Denver, West Virginia, an unincorporated community

Edited July 28, 2022 by paigow

[grandmabegum]

19 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I only moved to western NY in 2021, and currently live in Greece, adjacent to Charlotte. My daughter's in-laws live in Newark, and yes, that's Newark, NY, not Newark, NJ, where Mom was born and raised. I see there's also a Rome and a Berlin.

Totally. I didn't think about it either. I have family spread all over the states and have a weird obsession with checking weather where they live. Always weird typing in their cities and having a list of ones in other states pop up. How many Trentons does America need?

Also, glad it's not Newark NJ. Been awhile since I've been east and had to catch the SEPTA from Trenton to NY, but Newark, NJ did not look inviting.

Get creative America! More ZZyzx! Or at least all the porny names of towns in Central PA.

19 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

When I was a kid before we moved to Chicago, we used to got to Point Pleasant, NJ for a couple of weeks in the summer. 

I used to go to Point Pleasant as a kid, too. That and Barnegat Light. Then as a teenager switched to Seaside/Heights cause of the cheap motel rooms. Thankfully pre Jersey Shore years, but still not classy.

I still don't know what Denver they're in, but I'm excited to find out!

[kay1864]

“What, emotionally stable?”

“Age-appropriate?”

“Not incarcerated?”

😆

Edited July 28, 2022 by kay1864

[dovegrey]

4 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

That's what I was thinking. I think it's mainly wishful thinking though because I miss Oscar lol.

Glitter Person's walk/gait reminded me of Oscar as Tie Dye Guy. I really hope it's not him - or, if it is, there's somehow an innocuous explanation. It would be a twisty way of explaining why Oscar vanished into thin air hours after Bunny's murder. And it had me thinking that maybe the truth about why Oscar served a prison sentence (Tim protecting Mabel instead of helping Oscar) turned into resentment and then vengeance for him. I never got that vibe from him, though.

In any event, after what Mabel experienced in this episode with Alice, the podcast, and now the train video, it would be nice to see Oscar turn up as a friend, even if he doesn't make Mabel feel "new." It just doesn't make sense that he's the only season one character who hasn't come back (and wasn't even shown in Bunny's flashback episode, when Oscar would have still been around and celebrating with the podcasters).

As an aside, I thought it was odd that Glitter Person was on the same train and essentially right next to Mabel, despite Mabel walking to Alice's studio and then going to the train. How coincidental.

Edited July 28, 2022 by dovegrey

[Dancingjaneway]

This episode just makes me even more firm in the belief that Alice has nothing to do with the main case/Bunny's murder. Just like Oliver's paternity situation. It's a B plotline of sorts just so that there isn't only focus on the main crime. Alice is a opportunist & she slid into Mabel's DM's for the sole purpose of using her to gain notoriety & to help her artwork sell. Mabel is the latest exhibit. I even don't think that she had anything to do with the painting in Bunny's room. 

I also wish the episodes were longer. I feel like just as things get going it ends. 

The hug between Oliver & Charles was funny & kind of sweet. I actually would love to see Charles go on a date with the makeup/hair artist. She definitely has a thing for him. 

The glitter bomb was a clever idea. That stuff gets EVERYWHERE & it takes ages to get it all cleaned up. I'm surprised that they didn't follow what would have been a trail of glitter. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who got "stabbed" on the subway was some performance artist. 

Cinda is THE WORST. Like I hate her so much I want her gone! I don't even care if the person who kills her(if thats how she goes down) gets caught. They would be doing the city a service. I also think the cop(Kreps?) & Cinda have history somehow. Not surprised that Poppy turned on Cinda. But if I was Mabel I would be careful. I don't trust anyone that is around Cinda. 

[kay1864]

On 7/26/2022 at 10:29 PM, shapeshifter said:

The person who got glitter-bombed was too skinny to be any guys we've seen, and was proportionally the same as Alice, but, IDK, is Poppy the size too?

Doesn’t that person also have to be Bunny’s diner companion?

Remember also that 14 is a clue, and also Savage or something that sounds like it.

Edited July 28, 2022 by kay1864

[MollyB]

11 hours ago, Dancingjaneway said:

Alice is a opportunist & she slid into Mabel's DM's for the sole purpose of using her to gain notoriety & to help her artwork sell.

Maybe she's trying to get a name as a Visual Re-creationist for True Crime Podcasts.  She should team up with Cinda.

[Suzn]

12 hours ago, Dancingjaneway said:

I also wish the episodes were longer. I feel like just as things get going it ends. 

Cinda is THE WORST. Like I hate her so much I want her gone! I don't even care if the person who kills her(if thats how she goes down) gets caught. They would be doing the city a service. I also think the cop(Kreps?) & Cinda have history somehow. Not surprised that Poppy turned on Cinda. But if I was Mabel I would be careful. I don't trust anyone that is around Cinda. 

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels that way about how the episodes end too soon!

Also, on the same page about Cinda.  I just want to get her comeuppance...and then be murdered.

[Snapdragon]

I just want to point out that in this episode, Oliver said he had a lot of experience with glitter due to working in theater and attending orgies, so my joke theory about Will being accidentally conceived during an orgy could actually be true!  😂

Edited July 28, 2022 by Snapdragon

[sjankis630]

Not a fan of Cinda. But I think is is mentioned up thread what the actual schedule looks like for Cinda that Poppy is reviewing earlier in the episode? It is hilarious.

Monday - 9am Pitch with Jessica, 11am Lunch with Bettina, 12pm: carb nap, 1pm 2nd lunch with Janelle, 3pm - lunch investor's meeting, 6pm - dinner with loving family

Tuesday: 10am - record Only Murderers, 12pm- lunch with Greg, 2pm- Call with investors, 3pm - meeting with new sound guy, 3:30 - late lunch with Bettina, 6pm - dinner with Limbless Leticia. 

etc .......

very funny.

[FGomez]

1 hour ago, sjankis630 said:

3pm - meeting with new sound guy

Is Luis that "new sound guy"? is this the first episode for him to appear? Or was Luis Cinda's assistant before?

That can change a lot of things ...

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, sjankis630 said:

Not a fan of Cinda. But I think is is mentioned up thread what the actual schedule looks like for Cinda that Poppy is reviewing earlier in the episode? It is hilarious.

Monday - 9am Pitch with Jessica, 11am Lunch with Bettina, 12pm: carb nap, 1pm 2nd lunch with Janelle, 3pm - lunch investor's meeting, 6pm - dinner with loving family

Tuesday: 10am - record Only Murderers, 12pm- lunch with Greg, 2pm- Call with investors, 3pm - meeting with new sound guy, 3:30 - late lunch with Bettina, 6pm - dinner with Limbless Leticia. 

etc .......

very funny.

Seriously.

Poppy wasn't kidding this episode when she told Mabel she had the dirt on Cinda. 
Isn't Poppy just one threat-to-Cinda-of-a-social-media-leak away from getting Cinda Canning Productions' "White Noise, hosted by Poppy White" going live?
But I guess Poppy knows better than to trust Cinda?
IDK. I think throwing staplers at the heads of her employees is probably more damning than any of her lascivious calendar crap.

But the most interesting thing Poppy said about Cinda, IMO, was: 

• [POPPY] I know where all the bodies are buried. And there are lots of bodies. Uh, so to speak.

To me, "so to speak" implies Cinda is neither a murderer, nor someone who would hire a murderer. Right?

Edited July 28, 2022 by shapeshifter

[dovegrey]

14 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Poppy wasn't kidding this episode when she told Mabel she had the dirt on Cinda. 
Isn't Poppy just one threat-to-Cinda-of-a-social-media-leak away from getting Cinda Canning Productions' "White Noise, hosted by Poppy White" going live?
But I guess Poppy knows better than to trust Cinda?

I want to trust Poppy and root for her going independent + getting revenge, but I'm wary that this is an attempt to fool Mabel into giving Poppy information, either to serve Poppy's independent interests or to prove her worth to Cinda. I know it's a show, but I've had the Cinda boss and I've had the Poppy coworkers, and I'm still sad for three of them who, ten years on, are still there and trying to prove themselves, despite being screwed constantly. Didn't Cinda also threaten to blacklist Poppy last season - something about Poppy not even being able to get a job stocking La Croix at NPR? That kind of hold on someone's career and ability to make ends meet can be quite strong. All in all, I'm not convinced that Poppy has turned on Cinda. But I think it'd be interesting if she joined the Only Murders podcast as a behind-the-scenes producer.

I'm curious if Poppy recorded her phone call to Mabel, and, if so, what she does with the audio from whatever happened on the train, particularly if the viral video doesn't show what led to the stabbing. (Seriously, Mabel needs to stop with the knitting needle thing.)

[grandmabegum]

31 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

To me, "so to speak" implies Cinda is neither a murderer, nor someone who would hire a murderer. Right?

Man, I do love this show for allowing the audience to interpret things in different ways. I sort of took "so to speak" as Poppy realizing that she may have said too much.

8 minutes ago, dovegrey said:

I want to trust Poppy and root for her going independent + getting revenge, but I'm wary that this is an attempt to fool Mabel into giving Poppy information, either to serve Poppy's independent interests or to prove her worth to Cinda.

This could be true, (i.e worth to Cinda] but if it is I'll be a little disappointed. I truly hate when shows/movies show something for just the viewers for the sake of throwing them off. In this case it would be Poppy breaking the pencils, tipping the mic, etc. There's no reason for her to do those things except for us as an audience. It's also from Poppy's perspective, so it should not be unreliable.

Now, they could explain it in a future episode. Maybe Poppy claims that someone broke into the studio trying to steal something/find dirt on Cinda and Poppy scared them off. IDK

[dovegrey]

12 minutes ago, grandmabegum said:

This could be true, (i.e worth to Cinda] but if it is I'll be a little disappointed. I truly hate when shows/movies show something for just the viewers for the sake of throwing them off. In this case it would be Poppy breaking the pencils, tipping the mic, etc. There's no reason for her to do those things except for us as an audience. It's also from Poppy's perspective, so it should not be unreliable.

Now, they could explain it in a future episode. Maybe Poppy claims that someone broke into the studio trying to steal something/find dirt on Cinda and Poppy scared them off. IDK

A moment of clarity…that she instantly panic-regretted and is now trying to make up for? She’s the anxious type, and Cinda's the type to make due on her threats. Or, she really is committed to screwing Cinda and will do it via Mabel, either by getting a story for a third competing podcast (White Noise) or by helping Only Murders take down Only Murderers. As I type this out, I don’t see Poppy connecting with Mabel out of any sort of altruism. The best I can see is an “the enemy of my enemy” situation. (This show has taught me to trust no one, haha.)

As I type this out, I also realized that this show is really good about fleshing out minor characters and breathing a lot of life into them in a very short amount of time. Kudos.

Edited July 28, 2022 by dovegrey
overquoted

[paigow]

3 hours ago, dovegrey said:

(This show has taught me to trust no one, haha.)

These shows had trust issues much earlier...

      

[kay1864]

On 7/28/2022 at 12:05 AM, Dancingjaneway said:

Cinda is THE WORST. Like I hate her so much I want her gone!

We need a poll: Who do you hate first worst, second worst, third worst, out of Cinda, Bunny, Uma. (Maybe Alice, although we don’t know what’s going on with her just yet) Any other despicable characters I missed?

Oh and we really need to find a way to bring back the plant guys!

Edited July 29, 2022 by kay1864

[cardigirl]

2 hours ago, kay1864 said:

We need a poll: Who do you hate first worst, second worst, third worst, out of Cinda, Bunny, Uma. (Maybe Alice, although we don’t know what’s going on with her just yet) Any other despicable characters I missed?

Oh and we really need to find a way to bring back the plant guys!

I don't hate Uma, for sure. Alice, possibly, and Amy Schumer. 🤣

[kay1864]

1 minute ago, cardigirl said:

I don't hate Uma, for sure.

So far I haven’t seen anything but pure mean from her, directed towards the trio. Jackie Hoffman plays her well.

[Milburn Stone]

On 7/26/2022 at 1:36 PM, GaT said:

Anybody think Poppy could be the murderer? 

That crossed my mind. She's murdering to get material for the podcast that will make her a star. (Or at least make Cinda take notice. Which, sad to say, she probably wants more than being a star.)

[cardigirl]

Just now, kay1864 said:

So far I haven’t seen anything but pure mean from her, directed towards the trio. Jackie Hoffman plays her well.

But she has no real power over them.  I guess I just like Jackie Hoffman's portrayal, and I don't want her gone from the show. 

[dshgr]

On 7/26/2022 at 12:40 PM, shapeshifter said:

Perhaps because older actors are starring and producing this whodunnit, it works for me.

I'm just happy for anything that's not based on a comic book or Star Trek/Wars. I hardly watch anything on network TV. 

[LuvMyShows]

14 minutes ago, sjankis630 said:

Not a fan of Cinda. But I think is is mentioned up thread what the actual schedule looks like for Cinda that Poppy is reviewing earlier in the episode? It is hilarious.

Monday - 9am Pitch with Jessica, 11am Lunch with Bettina, 12pm: carb nap, 1pm 2nd lunch with Janelle, 3pm - lunch investor's meeting, 6pm - dinner with loving family

Tuesday: 10am - record Only Murderers, 12pm- lunch with Greg, 2pm- Call with investors, 3pm - meeting with new sound guy, 3:30 - late lunch with Bettina, 6pm - dinner with Limbless Leticia. 

etc .......

very funny.

You left off the best ones: 6 am "Primal Scream", 9 am "Clitoral stimulation session with Jake", and 5 pm "Underwater pilates"!

13 hours ago, Dancingjaneway said:

I actually would love to see Charles go on a date with the makeup/hair artist. She definitely has a thing for him. 

She did say regarding Charles that "We did it once.  Those were different times...different times."  So maybe that ship has already sailed?

13 hours ago, Dancingjaneway said:

The glitter bomb was a clever idea. That stuff gets EVERYWHERE & it takes ages to get it all cleaned up. I'm surprised that they didn't follow what would have been a trail of glitter.

Unpursued logic lapses like that are maddening!  The other was with the security footage showing someone eating with Bunny at the diner, and why they didn't just rewind further to see the person's face as they came in (since the entrance/exit appeared to be in such a position that the person would indeed have been facing the camera as they walked in).

17 hours ago, grandmabegum said:

I used to go to Point Pleasant as a kid, too. That and Barnegat Light. Then as a teenager switched to Seaside/Heights cause of the cheap motel rooms. Thankfully pre Jersey Shore years, but still not classy.

Too funny to see Barnegat mentioned here.  Just a few days ago, I got curious enough to finally look up something from the lyrics of Frankie Valli's "My Eyes Adored You", where it sounded to me like he was saying "Walking home every day, over Bonnicut Bridge and Bay..."  Turns out he was saying "Barnegat Bridge and Bay".

[LuvMyShows]

Continuing the Questions list from last episode, updating with new information from this episode (and getting ready to post in the Only Speculation Without Spoilers thread):

Answered:

• Why was Bunny wearing the podcast hoodie? - because the gang gave it to her as a consolation gift when they didn't invite her in, when she brought champagne up to thank them for solving the mystery
• How did the painting, and now knife, get put into Charles' apartment? - someone used the secret passage from his bathroom that Lucy showed them

Unanswered:

• What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "savage" or "Savage" or "passage"?
• What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "14"?
• Who killed Bunny?
• Is the murderer the same as the person in the black boots who got off the elevator and came to her apartment?
• The painting:
  • Why was it taken from Bunny's apartment?
  • Was the painting in Bunny's apartment already a forgery or did the thief replace it with a forgery?  
  • Was the painting put in Charles' apartment solely as an attempt to frame him for Bunny's murder?
• What is the full story with Charles' father?
• Oliver's bloody knife:
  • Who or what is the source of the blood, and how did the blood get on the knife?
  • Who put it in Charles' apartment and why?
  • Is the knife the murder weapon?
• Who sent the "get out of the building" text?
• Who have they been texting with, since it wasn't Detective Williams?
• Is there anything fishy about Detective Kreps saying Detective Williams is in Denver? 
• Who did Bunny have lunch with?
• Who did Lucy see in the secret passageway with a mask and wearing booties?
• What was Nina going to put on the roof?
• Why did Nina give Howard the black eye?
• How did the crowd find out about Bunny's murder so quickly to be there outside the Arconia when our gang was taken out in handcuffs almost immediately after the police arrived?
• Why did Lucy really contact Charles at this point?  How long had Lucy been hanging out in the Arconia's tunnels when we see her meet Charles, and what was down the tunnel passage that Lucy claimed "was a dead end"?
• Matchbook found in Mabel's apartment:
  • Who dropped it in Mabel's apartment , and is that the same person who initially picked it up at the diner after meeting with Bunny there?
  • Whose bloody fingerprint is on the matchbook?
• What is behind Detective Kreps' surly attitude?
• Is there any significance to Mabel's father?
• Who picked up the glitter bomb from the trash can?

Leftover unanswered from Season 1:

• Why was Tim's phone not sent to be examined?
• Why was the detective's request on drug testing Tim's body turned down?
• Who put the note on Jan's door (or was it Jan herself)?
• Who poisoned Winnie the dog?
• Did Evelyn the cat die as Jan said, by coming into Tim Kono's apartment and walking through Tim's poisoned blood?

[MisterGlass]

Agree with everyone on the brilliance of Sazz breaking up with Jan and the sweetness of Charles introducing Oliver to salsas and tolerating a hug.

I also really chuckled over Cinda's podcast sponsor, "Pink Ladle - Soup by Women for Women, use promo code 'Butchered Bunny' for 50% off your first order."  Perfectly on the edge of possible and ridiculous.

There was a gut milk on Oliver's dashboard.  I feel like we're still going to circle back to Ursula at some point.

[kay1864]

3 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

• What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "savage" or "Savage" or "passage"?
• What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "14"?
• Who killed Bunny?

I’ve called you all here tonight to reveal… Dun dun DUNNN!

Edited July 30, 2022 by kay1864

[Zanzibar]

18 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Unanswered:

• What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "savage" or "Savage" or "passage"?
• What was the significance of Bunny's dying word "14"?

Mabel has said that coming back into her apartment and finding Bunny was a blur. She does not distinctly remember what happened after she walked in and saw Bunny.  IMO, that means it's not 100% certain she is correctly remembering what Bunny said. 14 could be confused with other words, such as forging. I think what Bunny said may be a key to all this, but at the same time, what she actually said and what Mabel currently remembers her saying may not be the same thing.

[paigow]

5 minutes ago, Zanzibar said:

Mabel has said that coming back into her apartment and finding Bunny was a blur. She does not distinctly remember what happened after she walked in and saw Bunny.  IMO, that means it's not 100% certain she is correctly remembering what Bunny said. 14 could be confused with other words, such as forging. I think what Bunny said may be a key to all this, but at the same time, what she actually said and what Mabel currently remembers her saying may not be the same thing.

Bunny had lots of spare cash to throw around as tips... Maybe she is not actually dead and this is an elaborate performance art / conspiracy to solve the Rose Cooper case...

[DoctorAtomic]

On 7/26/2022 at 9:49 AM, AnimeMania said:

Sazz is always stealing Charles' girlfriends, I wouldn't be surprised if Sazz and Jan became an item. 

Just two lines, but they both nailed - 'This doing anything for you?'. 'Oh. Yes.'

I also want to work in 'We did it once. It was a different time.' 

Oliver just amazed that 'they just put the mango in there' re: salsa killed too. 

Everyone else covered the main plots. Since I'm later than normal in commenting, I liked sharing my favorite lines. I just love great timing. 

[Cthulhudrew]

On 7/26/2022 at 6:25 AM, FGomez said:

Now, from the scene in the park, we can guess that the masked character is a thin young man. In the subway we see that he is quite tall (the belly is fake). Cinda, Poppy and Cara were in another place when the masked character appears. And there is no super fan (or in fact any other character in the series) that physically resembles him. The only possibility left is ...

Luís, Cinda's assistant !!!

How about Arnav?

[FGomez]

7 hours ago, Cthulhudrew said:

How about Arnav?

He is another possibility. The body frame is similar. The name of the actor is Maulik Pancholy. Judging by his photos in Instagram I think he is not tall enough, but I can't discard him.

Edited July 31, 2022 by FGomez

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, FGomez said:

He is another possibility. The body frame is similar. The name of the actor is Maulik Pancholy. Judging by his photos in Instagram I think he is not tall enough, but I can't discard him.

Yeah, Google says he's just 5'6½" and as a short person, I know that when we start adding "½" it means we aren't taller than that. 😁

HOWEVER, the boots do look pretty hefty. 
Maybe Arnav or Poppy or someone else wore boots with lifts or platform soles to look taller. This person we've seen at least 3 different times has been concealing their identity, and trying to look taller could be a part of that. 

STILL, I estimated the person in the subway needs to be at least 6' tall in their shoes/boots, so . . .

Edited July 31, 2022 by shapeshifter

[sjankis630]

You guys are all bringing up good points. I really want to know what happened on that subway train and what causes Mabel to snap.

Also they would not bring in the great Andrea Martin for just one quick cameo would they?

I am now leaning toward Alice just a forger and possibly the worst friend this side of Denver......

[shapeshifter]

27 minutes ago, sjankis630 said:

I am now leaning toward Alice just a forger and possibly the worst friend this side of Denver......

"Worst friend this side of" which Denver? 😁🤣

I guess both and all Denvers.😉

[MollyB]

21 hours ago, sjankis630 said:

I really want to know what happened on that subway train and what causes Mabel to snap.

The glitter guy saw her and started walking towards her.  She jammed her phone in her bag and I guess got her knitting needle (we know she carries it with her because she almost stabbed Oscar in season one).  The video doesn't show her actually stabbing, just running out the door.  There's a gap between what we see and what the video picked up.

[sjankis630]

2 hours ago, MollyB said:

The video doesn't show her actually stabbing, just running out the door. 

You might want to take a closer look at that final scene.

I am pretty sure that we see Mabel pulling at least one knitting needle - the one in her right hand - out of the guy's upper body before she runs out. If she didn't stab the guy then she is doing a pretty good job of fooling me into thinking she did.

[AnimeMania]

On 7/31/2022 at 1:58 PM, sjankis630 said:

Also they would not bring in the great Andrea Martin for just one quick cameo would they?

Andrea Martin is having a great time in New York filming "Evil", so she probably wouldn't mind doing a quick Cameo for some long time friends.

[shapeshifter]

On 7/31/2022 at 1:58 PM, sjankis630 said:

Also they would not bring in the great Andrea Martin for just one quick cameo would they?

On 7/30/2022 at 6:35 PM, DoctorAtomic said:

I also want to work in 'We did it once. It was a different time.' 

Watching this series has indeed inspired me to rewrite my tragic past love life encounters as: 'We did it once. It was a different time.'  
So much more dignified of a story ending! 😉

And for Charles, this rekindled old flame could disentangle him from his murderous, incarcerated, more recent flame, especially with Sazz going all in on the jailhouse dirty talk.

Edited August 2, 2022 by shapeshifter