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  1. I've recently been watching this show for the first time and just finished 2x10. This post mostly isn't specific to 2x10, though. I don't know where to put this, so I figured 2x10 would be as good a place as any. I just need to get this off my chest. So far, I've been bored silly by season 2. I'm missing the mystery, intrigue, and uniqueness of season 1. I LOVED the original premise. This is a show that needed to be a compressed storytelling format, with the first three seasons or so covering an in-show year. That is to say, the Capitol bombing, the federal government being annihilated, Kirkman adjusting to the Presidency, all the upended family dynamics, the complete replacement of Congress - that all should have been the firm premise of the show for much longer than a single season. It seems like everything that made this show unique and deserving of being called "Designated Survivor" was wrapped up in season 1. Season 2 has been an attempt at The West Wing and is now Political Issue of the Week, with some weird, jarring attempt at a spy thriller in the middle. It feels so completely unearned; season 2 is really what a season 4 or 5 should have looked like. And the sloppiness... My god. Who the hell is the Vice President?! After all the long drawn-out crap with VP McCreish, no one is Vice President, there's apparently no Speaker of the House (or I'm not paying close enough attention and missed Kimble's replacement), and the Secretary of State is usually nowhere to be found...and the show is now about Kirkman and his ragtag crew of sorta-qualified misfits smoothly handling everything with determined poise and gravel-voiced grit. Okay. Sure. I can't believe how quickly these writers/showrunners got bored with the original premise. What a waste. (The only 2x10 comment I have is... It made no sense that Hannah shot BritishGuy and then went to the bar to drink, instead of calling the FBI and having the scene processed and her statement taken. All I can think is that she knows she didn't kill him and let him go, which is probably worse than if she thinks she killed him, left his body in the river, and went to drink.)
  2. I've seen this recently: https://reelchicago.com/article/chicago-p-d-fire-and-med-return-to-production-in-september/ If true, it won't be back on air until November at the earliest, I would think. They usually come back to production in early July and start airing new episodes in late September, then break in November/December before coming back from January through April to film the last half of the season. Essentially, it takes 8-9 months to film a season. Given that, I don't really expect new episodes for One Chicago until January, to be honest. I also expect a shorter season...or else the cast/crew will likely have no break between seasons 9 and 10. I do suspect Haas was quietly let go for something during the early days of BLM, but that's purely me surmising based on his social media accounts permanently going away (super, super weird), a report that he bought a shiny new mansion in LA, and no details about Fire season 9 being released (that I've seen) despite details coming out about PD season 8 storylines. Fire would definitely survive Haas leaving, so I'm not worried if he really did leave. Dick Wolf doesn't need Haas.
  3. I agree! I like most of the characters and think it's usually a well-balanced, funny show. I really do enjoy it. Kimchee was kind of "meh" for me until season 4, when I began to appreciate both him and Appa more. I think the worst of Umma and Janet came out, which may because I binged and saw it as a big clump (they're the ones giving me Goldberg vibes...) At my most critical, I'd say that most of the characters are well on their way to being caricatures of their original selves, with the exceptions of Appa and Kimchee. (This is a problem many shows have, IMO, and it typically seems to happen in season 4.) I'd love to see more depth from Jung. He's underutilized and now seems to be one half of Shannon, as if they're one character. I would like to see less of Jung/Shannon (but no more UST), more meaningful Jung/Kimchee, and more of Jung with his family. Maybe he does move out and picks up shifts at the store to make ends meet? (Janet's graduating, right?) And, yeah, Shannon. I like the car rental crew and many of the hijinks are funny, but it's also gone way over the top. Between prank complaints to corporate, multiple injuries, several instances of outright harassment, and Shannon going full-on "fun boss!" I'm not sure how Shannon still has her job (*cough* same with Nina *cough*). This is part of the caricature thing. I say all this, but I genuinely enjoy and like the show. The cast sells it.
  4. My SO and I binged this show over the last few weeks. We both really, really, really enjoy it, and have also adopted some of the phrases into our everyday life (sneak attack, okay see you). I like all of the characters, and I laugh out loud A LOT with this show. It's a good mix of dramatic beats, comedy, and good fun. And then season 4 happened. It was okay, but not as great as the other seasons. It had some gems, for sure. Near the middle or so (it's hard to keep track during a binge), I laughed less and was annoyed more. To me, it seemed like many of the characters were dumbed down or exaggerated to force "funny" plots, and it started to remind me a little tiny bit of the Goldberg's (I'm so, so sorry). I also found myself yelling "JUST BE DIRECT AND SAY WHAT YOU MEAN" a lot; in the earlier seasons, it was refreshing when characters were direct and said what they meant. The storylines were better for it. The worst decline is Pastor Nina, though. She started out highly competent but funny, and now she's unethical, incompetent, and character assassinated. It's not funny how many times she's completely breached client confidentiality, with regard to marriage counseling and individual counseling. When she "sneak attacked" the Kims into group marriage counseling, I could've reached through the screen and shook her (INFORMED CONSENT!). Then she was portrayed as being entirely unprepared and unskilled at running the counseling group. Oh, and then she started dating a client, apparently in the middle of counseling said client, which is pretty much #2 on the DON'T DO THAT list. She partially represents my profession (...I'm not a pastor), and I can't with her. I want her gone, and I loved her when she first arrived. I hope season 5 is more like seasons 1-3. Every show has a slump, and season 4 was a slump for me. Still glad we found it on Netflix and gave it a go, and I'm looking forward to new episodes. (A roommate shake up could be a good thing; wouldn't mind Jung, Janet, and Gerald living together, with Chelsea long, long gone...)
  5. I just watched this episode for the first time. (I can't shake this show...) I enjoyed it but I'm not sure why. I don't get why Boden doesn't make Casey take the blue room office as house captain and then give Herrmann Casey's shoebox office. Boden wanted Casey to take the blue room office when Casey promoted, but Casey decided to stay put. They should have revisited that when Herrmann was promoted to lieutenant last year. If my boss said my peers with similar/same responsibilities get a work space but I don't because Shut Up, I'd be pissed off too. It really is disrespectful for him to be a lieutenant with four firefighters and an Engine rig under his command (equal in status to Severide!), who is told he's not important enough for his own workspace. He earned the promotion; he doesn't need to separately earn an office. Meanwhile, there's a big empty office... Perfect time for Casey to upgrade and make it seem like a favor for someone else. Casey should have stepped in. The DCFS story was sloppy and another magical change of heart tale. I'm not sure what it is that Casey investigated. He talked to a neighbor and pestered a case worker, after being used to get a kid removed from a parent. I'd be on a rampage, too. I didn't mind the premise of this one, and I usually can't stand all the meddling these idiots do. It was nice to hear about Louie again but also really superficial because we have no window into Casey's personal life or headspace. Maybe he sits in his bedroom at Stellaride's Sex Den each night and laments the life that could have been, but who knows. Girls On Fire is called Career Tech Education: Fire/Rescue where I'm from, and it's a sequence of experiential classes students can take for high school credit. We bus them to fire houses and even to the academy every day. At CPS high schools, it's specifically offered under Law and Public Safety. Soo...that storyline doesn't really make sense the way it's been presented. Edited to Add: I'm having trouble squaring Kidd not being able to handle working half a day at the Academy without becoming a sleep deprived liability (around mid-season), but now she has all this spare time and energy to build, recruit, and lead a high school firefighting program from scratch. Okay.
  6. Holy crap! I had no idea. That's insane. I only tried to check in a few days ago to see if he was writing/planning to film in July and missed all that. (And I'd kinda hoped it meant he was being replaced. I wish him all the best as a person but think he'd be better at running a show built like Bones rather than a show built like ER.)
  7. This news broke in April 2020 but I don't think it's been mentioned on these boards: Annie Ilonzeh (Foster) isn't returning for season 9. Also, sometime earlier this month, Derek Haas (Fire's showrunner) deleted all of his social media accounts. He was quite active and involved on both Twitter and Instagram (@derekhaaswriter). Super, super weird.
  8. I have a feeling that a hypothetical Chicago OFI show would be 90% of what we're already getting on Chicago Fire, especially if ran by Derek Haas. I doubt they'd keep it to fire investigations, despite OFI only handling fire-related incidents. But if Haas were to go do Chicago OFI and leave Chicago Fire to someone who wants to write the premise and characters, I'd be overjoyed. I figure there has to be another attempt at a spin-off coming. How much life will Fire and PD really have left after the next three seasons, if PD even survives the BLM and police reform movements? If a fourth show were to be developed, they could air on Tuesday or Thursday, potentially, then fold into the Wednesday block. I actually think an OFI show would bridge better to PD than Fire, at least given how it's all currently being written. (Andy Allo/Seeger is the lead on Upload, a really neat and enjoyable show. I don't think she's coming back to One Chicago.)
  9. I respect your voice on this forum and always enjoy when you bring real-world perspective into how calls are handled on CF. I've thought about this comment more than I should probably admit, so I'll just blame lockdown/quarantine boredom, haha. Every time I try to write a response, I end up spiraling into how far gone this show is with copious examples, especially compared to seasons 1-3 and even season 4. I'll try to keep it to this: I really hope that seasons 6-8 of CF AREN'T inspiring kids or young adults to be firefighters, particularly if these seasons of the show are their only influence. Since season 6, the show has shamelessly depicted firefighters as law enforcement. In full turnout gear, Cruz popped through a roof hatch with a semi-automatic rifle in his hands (the CPD episode of the S8 crossover). Severide is almost always using a routine call as a springboard for an investigation, even intimidating a "suspect" in a hospital room and now twice physically assaulting "suspect" teenagers. Casey led a multi-rig pursuit of theft suspects through Chicago. The EMTs spend most episodes investigating routine calls and meddling into lives. These examples aren't the exception. Season 6 was ludicrous all the way around, but then the more measured season 7 started the "routine call triggers a ridiculous investigation plotline" trend that has dominated the storytelling for two years. This version of firefighting is backwards and frequently disrespectful, and I hope kids/teens aren't seeing it and thinking "I want to be a firefighter like Severide!" Because Severide pursues "suspects" far more often than he fights a fire or rescues somebody, and he is now clearly the main character and focus of the show. The firehouse sitcom plots are annoying and infantile, but it's the more recent LEO portrayal of the firefighters and EMTs that I can't abide. This is not a comment on the value of LEOs but it is a comment on the improper portrayal of the neutral and victim-focused role firefighters serve. The earlier seasons of CF overtly fought the perception that FFs are law enforcement and often had Boden reminding the firefighters to stay in their lane. They need to go back to that, or go and do a show called Chicago OFI. Seasons 1-3 nearly had me, a grown adult with an established career, go try to be a volunteer firefighter. It *was* inspiring. (...I've given this terrible show way too much thought.)
  10. Yep. I think it went Pence, Paul Ryan, Tillerson, someone else, and then skipped to DeVos. It was the original 2016 cabinet plus Republican speaker minus any mention of Trump.
  11. I'm a fairly morbid person and have been rewatching this show (...a few times...) since the lockdown. It annoyed the hell out of me on first-run (Tandy became over the top ridiculous and then Carol all-in joined him by season 4), but season 2 to mid-season 3 was some really, really enjoyable TV. I wish there had been a season 5. The Pamela flashback episode with everyone wearing facemasks and dying of a virus in late 2019/early 2020 (?) is flat out spooky. So is the Mike and Pat episode.
  12. He wouldn't agree to a deal to sell out the company outright, but would he agree to a deal to not make trouble when/if he discovers the code has been copied? I mean, he'd only be able to sue for copyright infringement (or something similar), so it could even be packaged as a lawsuit settlement with a standard NDA. Plus, if he's so upright and virtuous, why not kill or disappear him, since it seems like anyone who is remotely involved is an easy target (e.g., Fran, Nora)? Why kill the guy who is willing to be paid off but leave the other guy alone? (I think this is probably a plothole.) This kind of make me thinks Jamie could be more involved than we know, and he wasn't being honest when he spoke with Nathan. Or potentially Nathan's memories were altered and he's not remembering everything or not remembering the correct version of events. (I never understood how the memories that were damaged during the initial upload--before they were stolen from Nora's computer--suddenly became retrievable after the Lakeview system update. I know Nora was trying to fix those memories, but I feel like I missed something there.)
  13. I thought Nora said she thinks all of that other stuff goes beyond Nathan's backdoor deal with Ingrid's dad and that someone above her dad is pulling strings. Admittedly, I tuned out part of her big speech at the end. Ingrid's dad would be an idiot if he's behind the server stuff, Fran, and the attempt to kill Nora. All that to essentially hide the truth from Jamie? Give him a few mil and an NDA. Boom. I think Nathan stumbled on a way to download Uploads into clones. That's big enough to explain the scope of the conspiracy to keep Nathan quiet.
  14. I finished watching this series yesterday. Overall, I very much enjoyed it and am excited for (hopefully) a season 2. It balanced the drama, mystery, and comedy aspects really well; that's my kind of show. The characters are all likable - or, at least, enjoyable - both in Lakeview and in the real world. Like others, I thought this episode was the weakest. If the coding tool can be used to the extent shown (the reverse Matrix-y stuff with maps and routes was somewhat believable, but the elevator thing was ridiculous), then why didn't Nathan use it to give himself unlimited gigs? Or plan to use it to live in Lakeview invisibly or with a non-playable character/NPC identity? And Nora, who has been so smart and quick-witted, suddenly forgets how the system works and doesn't realize that Nathan may have ran out of gigs? The cliffhanger ending was all contrived and not well executed, which is disappointing because I thought the rest of the season was quite smart. I also failed to see THAT big of a deal about Nathan selling out his business partner. He did it to help his family, not be a Big Bad jerk about it. I suppose what helped Nora fall for him was Nathan's emphasis on helping the underserved with the app, and then his passion for helping the 2 gigs - the "real" Nathan undermined that when he sold out his company. That's all I've got to explain it. I'm skeptical that Ingrid really uploaded. If she really did upload, then I'm convinced that Nathan was killed because his code or program could be used to make re-downloading a successful option. THAT would devastate the Upload industry more than Freeyond, IMO - why pay for an infinite upload service when you can download into a cloned body? Re-downloading has to be the catch to all this. Otherwise, why even explore the concept of redownloading, unless that's how Nathan and Nora are going to end up happily ever after? I'm curious about Ingrid's overall role in this whole thing. To me, it's obvious that she was only with Nathan to conduct corporate espionage/keep him on a leash for her dad, then fell for him (I mean, she slept in a sexsuit while jammed into a bath tub to be with him...), then pushed for him to upload instead of being killed. But I don't know - did she kill Fran Booth, after Fran told her about investigating Nathan's death? Or did Ingrid's father upload Ingrid and alter her memories (I mean, Nathan broke up with her, so why upload)? And what was the point of the servers being blown up or whatever happened when the Horizen power went out? Yeah, so. I really enjoyed this one and was sad when the season ended. (P.S. Andy Allo is a revelation here. I didn't like her at all on Chicago Fire - but she can carry a show!)
  15. This is the first time I've watched the show in a few weeks, and I only watched it live this week because my streaming apps wouldn't properly load on Wednesday night. Very little of what these characters do makes any sense. I said it a few months ago as a joke, but I think the writers either use madlibs or a dart board to plan episodes. I'll never understand why Med and PD are written like real primetime shows, but Fire has been written as a Saturday morning feel-good tween show since sometime in season 5. Capp's storyline made no sense at all, not with him being healthy and fine at the end (he should have been blind and gone; they're long due for a disabling injury). Severide pestering the salvage site owner over and over made no sense, nor did Boden recognizing what Severide was going to do and then basically telling Casey to babysit him, rather than sitting Severide's ass down and doling out some strongly worded do-or-resign orders. It made absolutely zero sense that the salvage site was open and operating the same day that a massive incident/explosion occurred. Foster sort of had a build-up to her storyline with all the passive aggressive huffing and puffing about Brett being PIC and stupid paramedic rules. It'd be great if she ends up on Med (because I don't watch it and can't stand her). If Brett would go with her, even better; the mousy, quiet, sweetly-repressed-emotion thing is old. With Kidd's Girls Gone Wild or whatever thing - Does Chicago Public Schools not have high school career/technical education programs for Fire and Rescue? High school students in my neck of the woods get dual credit and a leg up at the Academy for doing real Fire/Rescue programs in high school, and they actually go to real firehouses, where they really gear up, really wear the uniforms, and really work with the crew and are trained by an officer in both experiential learning and manualized classroom instruction. They're going to wring three more years out of this show, and I really don't see how, unless they bring in a competent showrunner. In hindsight, I respect the hell out of Monica Raymund for recognizing the decline and leaving the franchise when she did. I can't say I miss Gabby or think the show was better because of her (when she left), but I'd so much rather have stories with her and Casey again, than the another outlandish St. Severide storyline each week, while Kidd has nothing better to do than hand-wring over a high school student and Casey has nothing better to do than lift an eyebrow and compete with Tony for lines.
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