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Here are the spoilers for this season courtesy of Reality Steve.

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-As we know, Rachel and Gabby’s final four were released a couple weeks ago on my socials, and neither of them had any of the same guys. What I was told was that at rose ceremony #3 is where the men had to make the decision of who they were going to date going forward. Basically, right before travel started to Paris, Belgium, and Amsterdam at rose ceremony #3, Rachel and Gabby gave out roses to who they were interested in, and those guys would either choose to accept or not. I was told Rachel was rejected more than once. Now, I don’t know if that meant those guys automatically went in Gabby’s group (because what if Gabby wasn’t into them?) because I don’t have all the details on it, but I just heard Rachel passed out a few roses that were rejected. Because in the first two episodes, the guys got to know both women and were on dates with each and spoke with each. Wasn’t until that rose ceremony where they had to make their decision.

-I got confirmation that Tyler Norris and Johnny DePhillipo are home. And since we know that the final 3 person stays in the final location til all of filming is over, clearly Tyler (Rachel) and Johnny (Gabby) were eliminated at the final 4 rose ceremony.

-I still don’t know who was Gabby’s 4th hometown. Yes, I was sent the picture of Justin Budfuloski’s sister-in-law’s IG page that he was in on Mothers Day. So it certainly looks like he wasn’t her 4th hometown. It’s why I wasn’t sure when I posted him and told you I only had circumstantial evidence it could be him. Well now it looks like he wasn’t since he was in that pic last Sunday and Johnny was already eliminated as Gabby’s 4th. So I assume Gabby took 3 guys down to Mexico and we know Jason Alabaster and Erich Schwer are two of them. I have not been told Gabby only had 3 hometown dates. I believe she had 4, and one of them just never got out publicly. Still don’t know who that third guy is.

-Your “villain” this season is Hayden Markowitz. And I use that term loosely because as we know, this toxic fanbase has a real issue with villains where they basically try and make their lives miserable. But from what I’m hearing, Hayden got caught saying his ex was hotter than both Bachelorettes. And while that may be true in his mind, you let that known publicly and other guys in the house hear that, not only will they jump on you, so will the audience. So I don’t know in what setting he said that or how/why he shared that info, but he did, the other guys found out about it, and it’s not gonna go over well as you could assume. Also heard that when Hayden chose Rachel over Gabby, how he chose to inform Gabby he was into Rachel didn’t go quite smoothly either. So in this world, that makes him a guy that the others have an issue with, hence the “villain” status.

-As I reported in my 4/21 podcast with the Game of Roses hosts Chad and Lizzy, final rose ceremony is this Saturday down in Mexico, then we have basically 2 months before the show begins airing on July 11th. I’m sure info will come trickling in over the next two months just like today’s info did, so I will keep you updated on what I hear.

https://realitysteve.com/2022/05/12/podcast-286-interview-with-kate-casey-of-the-reality-life-podcast-some-bachelorette-spoilers/

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Kerri Johnson

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On 5/13/2022 at 5:44 AM, ApprenticeFan said:

Rachel was rejected more than once. I just heard Rachel passed out a few roses that were rejected

It's funny how according to Reddit, Rachel is the one with the more traditional ending and Gabby was the one left heartbroken and rejected in the end. 

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Did both of these ladies attend the Carol Lynley School for Whispering Babytalk? 
Some of these men were definitely cringe and look forward to some serious winnowing really soon.

Oh. And Fabio wannabe: please put your shirt back on

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19 hours ago, ApprenticeFan said:

According to Bachelor Whatever Instagram, both Gabby and Rachel are engaged.

Do we know to who? Reality Steve has up to F2. 

My guess is Rachel chooses Tino.

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I found this first episode tedious and mostly boring.  Rachel and Gabby spoke more to each other than to the men (at least from what we were shown).  And, no, having some kind of "hook" to one's introduction does not make one more interesting.  Plus, IMO, they totally took the concept of TWO bachelorettes from the most recent season of Joe Millionaire...

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On 7/12/2022 at 6:41 AM, Nilknarf said:

Did both of these ladies attend the Carol Lynley School for Whispering Babytalk? 
Some of these men were definitely cringe and look forward to some serious winnowing really soon.

Oh. And Fabio wannabe: please put your shirt back on

Wow, that's a blast of annoyance from the past!

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SallyAlbright

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Rachel and Tino being engaged makes perfect sense, the second he got out of the limo she said he was her type, she gave him the First Impression Rose, and just has seemed the most into him all along. And unlike some of the others, he genuinely seems very into her as well, even being hurt that she cancelled the group date. Aven being second makes me think he could be Bachelor material. 

Gabby and Erich is a bit more surprising, just because his edit has been weird. But they do seem to have chemistry and I'm sure we'll see more of him as the season goes on. Can't say I'm a fan of the mullet, though! 

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I knew it would be Tino for Rachel but I don’t care for him .He comes off kinda arrogant . 
 

i figured it would be Erich or Jason for Gabby . All I can see when I look at Erich is mullet . 

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I prefer Jason for Gabby, but I read that he self -eliminates. 

I also don't care much for Tino, either, and do think he kind of comes off as smug. I was hoping Rachel picked Zach; I just love his deep voice!

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Here's the full summary from Reality Steve's blog:

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So here’s the things I covered in the podcast:

-The “Men Tell All” tapes today in LA. Hopefully I’ll have some news for you in the coming days. Gotta believe that Hayden, Logan, and Nate will definitely have hot seats visits. Maybe Tyler too. We don’t know the TV schedule for the rest of the season yet though, so it’s tough to know which guys in the final 8 would be there.

-Casting weekend for the “Bachelor” was last weekend. Well, one of them was. They usually give the women a chance to choose between a couple weekends. I have a few of them that I know were out there, but that doesn’t mean they’re getting cast. They have to receive acceptance letters and then, well, you’re technically not on the show until you exit that limo night 1. There’s always a chance to get cut last minute. But are their pageant girls being looked at for next season? Of course.

-(SPOILERS) Two corrections on things I’d reported this season when it comes to the final 4 on. One thing I hadn’t figured out all season was who was Gabby’s 4th hometown date. Well, as many of you suggested, you were right. She didn’t have one. Only Johnny, Jason, and Erich get hometowns with Gabby. Nate gets sent home on his 1-on-1 next week, and that leaves Spencer and Logan. Neither of them get a hometown. I don’t know what happens to Logan that gets him eliminated. I just know he doesn’t get a hometown and Gabby only had 3.

-The other correction, which I guess is pretty big, is all season I said it was between Zach and Tino for Rachel. And it is, but I guess you need to throw Aven’s name in there. Because Zach finishes 3rd. Aven finishes 2nd.

Rachel is engaged to Tino.
As for Gabby, she’s engaged to Erich.

-I know that’ll bring up a lot of thoughts, doubts, contention, whatever you want to call it. And that’s fine. Expect that every season. Just will tell you what I tell you every season: judging edits, social media likes and follows, and who commented what about who is pure guessing. It’s not going to 100% confirm anything. I stand by these spoilers.

-Now, KNOWING what the ending is, you can kinda piece together the season promo that aired Monday. What I can say about Zach is this. His conversation with Jesse in Mexico where Jesse is telling him he needs to tell Rachel the truth happens after his overnight date, and I can’t tell you the exact wording because I don’t know, but that’s essentially Zach eliminating himself. Whether it’s him telling Rachel he’s not ready, or that it’s too serious and he’s not there yet with her, like I said, don’t know his wording. But that convo with Jesse is a pre-cursor to Zach telling Rachel something that eliminates him at final 3. Aven is your final 2 guy. And yes, I’m aware of the shots in the preview of Rachel in Aven’s room crying. I think it’s safe to deduce that’s Rachel sending Aven home at final 2 so it’s just Tino on final rose ceremony day.

-As for Gabby, yes, I have heard the rumor of Jason leaving at final 2. Heard it from 3 different places (twice in the last 3 days), but all I care about is getting stuff confirmed. To me, that’s still a rumor. But considering I did hear it from 3 people, if you’re asking me do I think it happened, I’d lean to about 60/40 maybe 65/35 that it does happen that way. We do have footage of Gabby in Mexico walking away crying and then in an ITM questioning if she can be loved. That could be Jason eliminating himself, but I haven’t gotten that confirmed.

-Once I saw the season ending promo on Monday, and so many things pointed to a doom and gloom with both Rachel and Gabby doing nothing but crying, I think the average fan looks at that and immediately thinks they end up dumped and alone. But after all these years, all that did was prove to me this season ends with two happy endings like I’d been told. They’re both engaged. The promos are just a misdirection like they always do. Then when they show Rachel’s face in a room crying and talking to someone and immediately give you a shot of Tino’s face, you pretty much can guarantee it’s not about him. It wasn’t. My guess is that was her tough conversation with Zach after overnights.

So there you go. Any MTA spoilers I get for you I’ll report as soon as I can. I’m moving on to collecting more info of women on the next season of the “Bachelor” and also seeing if I can get any more details about the Jason rumor of leaving at final 2 and what exactly Zach’s reasoning is for leaving himself. Sorry to burst your bubble Jason and Zach fans. Here’s a box of Kleenex. Womp woooooooooomp.

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13 hours ago, ApprenticeFan said:

Here's the full summary from Reality Steve's blog:

Ok, so reading this makes me realize I have no idea who Zach and Jason are. Is Zack the guy with a smaller stature compared to most of the guys? I don't even have a guess for Jason. But I do know who Tino and Erich are, at least! Tino is for sure Rachel's frontrunner. I wouldn't have pegged Erich for Gabby. Nate is seemingly Gabby's favorite, but that darn childhood trauma... The preview did have Gabby crying that she doesn't think that she could be a good mom, so I guess it does sort of check out that during some alone time she realized the more serious she feels about Nate, the more she realizes she can't handle being a mom because of her issues with her own mom. It just doesn't make sense to say that Nate will be sent home during next week's 1:1. He's one of the few guys to already HAVE a 1:1, so he wouldn't be having a second one yet when she hasn't had dates with all of the other finalists yet. Would they give him a date JUST to send him home?! That doesn't sound right.

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dizzyd

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I didn’t like either Rachel or Gabby as Bachelorettes and have been watching this season just for the travel porn and not caring who they pick. But now that I know, I don’t like either guy. Both guys have rubbed me the wrong way and both girls would have made me want to jump ship. But to each their own 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Melonie77

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21 hours ago, ECM1231 said:

I prefer Jason for Gabby, but I read that he self -eliminates. 

I also don't care much for Tino, either, and do think he kind of comes off as smug. I was hoping Rachel picked Zach; I just love his deep voice!

I was rooting for Zach too and thought he seemed very sincere and sweet. Tino gives me the vibes of a controlling person.

Erich did seem like he wasn't very interested during their first date and I thought maybe he was uncomfortable with all Gabby's issues.

It's too bad she wasted her time with Nate. I find it very strange that Nate would date someone for 1.5 years and hide his child from them. Does this mean he saw the girl as nothing but a sexual partner and that the relationship would never advance? He also dated someone else for a couple of months at the same time. 

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On 8/11/2022 at 7:12 PM, ECM1231 said:

I prefer Jason for Gabby, but I read that he self -eliminates. 

I also don't care much for Tino, either, and do think he kind of comes off as smug. I was hoping Rachel picked Zach; I just love his deep voice!

I wonder why he self - eliminates . Did they say why ?

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More than most seasons, I feel pretty confident that neither of these couples will last (hot take, I know!). I think the audience isn't getting to see a lot, because of having to cover both bachelorettes in the usual two hour episodes, and maybe we just aren't seeing these "connections" but Gabby's time seems to be all about her issues with her mom, and Rachel just mopes, and then makes out with her next date.

Plus, I just find both final guys kind of smarmy, lol.

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On 8/12/2022 at 4:26 PM, Melonie77 said:

I was rooting for Zach too and thought he seemed very sincere and sweet. Tino gives me the vibes of a controlling person.

Erich did seem like he wasn't very interested during their first date and I thought maybe he was uncomfortable with all Gabby's issues.

It's too bad she wasted her time with Nate. I find it very strange that Nate would date someone for 1.5 years and hide his child from them. Does this mean he saw the girl as nothing but a sexual partner and that the relationship would never advance? He also dated someone else for a couple of months at the same time. 

Thats what the girl says, id sure love to hear Nates side of the story. You never will know the full story, no matter how many screenshots are being provided . I enjoyed seeing gabby and nate together, although i cant stand to see her kiss because of those lips 🤣🤣

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On 8/13/2022 at 2:36 PM, Jax7917 said:

I wonder why he self - eliminates . Did they say why ?

I don't remember where I heard it, but I heard he got COVID

ETA:  Now that I think about it, might be confusing Zach and Logan...

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7 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

Thats what the girl says, id sure love to hear Nates side of the story. You never will know the full story, no matter how many screenshots are being provided . I enjoyed seeing gabby and nate together, although i cant stand to see her kiss because of those lips 🤣🤣

I don't know if I originally responded to the story about Nate in the wrong thread but we already had this conversation in the episode 5 thread. I'm the same member you quoted and replied to a couple of days ago at the end of the episode 5 series of comments. I had told you that I read Nate's excuse was he was recently divorced and confused.

Reality Steve has a lot of info posted about what happened. For me it doesn't matter what Nate's excuses are...he was intimate and serious with someone for 1.5 years and NEVER told them he has a CHILD!
That is astonishing to me.
I too was enjoying his relationship with Gabby. It seemed she could count on him to be someone who was legitimately interested in her. But once I read the story (and I read it all - the article in US and RS's info) my radar was pinged for an 'untrustworthy wrong-reasons man'. 

It's very possible that getting the next bachelor gig is what Nate wanted all along. Reality Steve says he gets a decent edit on the Men Tell All show despite what he pulled so the producers may still be considering him.

According to RS, Nate claims he was protecting his daughter. I've dated men with young children and get how you don't want to introduce them to anyone unless it's serious, but what Nate did is different. He pretended his daughter did not exist while dating this woman for 18 months. And he was apparently not totally honest at the Men Tell All taping when he did not explain why he hid his child (and his marriage/divorce) from the ex.

Yet Gabby and the other men defend him so he must have a charming side. I'd like to see him on BIP but not as the Bach. 

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On 8/11/2022 at 8:04 AM, ApprenticeFan said:

RS has just posted on his blog that the winners are...

Tino for Rachel

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Erich for Gabby

In fact, they are both engaged.

Well, that's disappointing. 

"Baby back bitch" Tino (lol!) comes off as the biggest douche out of Rachel's guys, but Rachel said on night one that he was her type. I'm curious to see what happens with Zach because the energy between them seems more genuine. 

Erich? Really, Gabby? Can he at least get rid of that awful hair? 

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21 minutes ago, funnygirl said:

"Baby back bitch" Tino (lol!) comes off as the biggest douche out of Rachel's guys, but Rachel said on night one that he was her type. I'm curious to see what happens with Zach because the energy between them seems more genuine. 

After tonight's episode I'm seeing strong parallels between Tino and Josh Murray from Andi's season. Andi had also said in the first episode that Josh was her type, and ended up picking him even though he threw multiple hissy fits during various group dates. If it's true that  Rachel picks Tino at the end, I'm sure it will end in disaster.

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6 hours ago, Melonie77 said:

I don't know if I originally responded to the story about Nate in the wrong thread but we already had this conversation in the episode 5 thread. I'm the same member you quoted and replied to a couple of days ago at the end of the episode 5 series of comments. I had told you that I read Nate's excuse was he was recently divorced and confused.

Reality Steve has a lot of info posted about what happened. For me it doesn't matter what Nate's excuses are...he was intimate and serious with someone for 1.5 years and NEVER told them he has a CHILD!
That is astonishing to me.
I too was enjoying his relationship with Gabby. It seemed she could count on him to be someone who was legitimately interested in her. But once I read the story (and I read it all - the article in US and RS's info) my radar was pinged for an 'untrustworthy wrong-reasons man'. 

It's very possible that getting the next bachelor gig is what Nate wanted all along. Reality Steve says he gets a decent edit on the Men Tell All show despite what he pulled so the producers may still be considering him.

According to RS, Nate claims he was protecting his daughter. I've dated men with young children and get how you don't want to introduce them to anyone unless it's serious, but what Nate did is different. He pretended his daughter did not exist while dating this woman for 18 months. And he was apparently not totally honest at the Men Tell All taping when he did not explain why he hid his child (and his marriage/divorce) from the ex.

Yet Gabby and the other men defend him so he must have a charming side. I'd like to see him on BIP but not as the Bach. 

Ill say it again- there are 2 sides to every story. We are only hearing hers. I cant be shocked or outraged at hearsay, no matter how many screenshots and stories she tells.  If he did not tell her about his daughter, i cant criticize that, i often feel people get their kids involved way too soon. If he did in fact tell the other woman about her, obviously that relationship he fekt more confortable .We can agree to disagree, its not a problem. It sounds like he may have been a jerk, it also sounds like she has embellished a lot . I can say one think for certain, she is not doing this to “ help the  other women” or to not “ affect his life” she wants attention and /or fame and revenge. Its sad to see,on both sides .

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6 hours ago, funnygirl said:

Well, that's disappointing. 

"Baby back bitch" Tino (lol!) comes off as the biggest douche out of Rachel's guys, but Rachel said on night one that he was her type. I'm curious to see what happens with Zach because the energy between them seems more genuine. 

Erich? Really, Gabby? Can he at least get rid of that awful hair? 

I see nothing about erich that is appealling and he seems like hes there just to be on tv. I think Tino really cares for Rachel, so i hope it lasts . Omg gabby with the nodding head last nite. In confused- is she currently a nurse, and when was she a cheerleader- before??

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On 8/13/2022 at 2:36 PM, Jax7917 said:

I wonder why he self - eliminates . Did they say why ?

Jason is like a cypher lol. I think he likes dating her but the seriousness of an engagement probably terrified him. I cannot express how much I dislike Erich, from the first moment on screen- he just seems smug and disinterested. I hope so much im wrong . Gaby is soooo fragile and I hate to see her hurt again.

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2 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

I see nothing about erich that is appealling and he seems like hes there just to be on tv. I think Tino really cares for Rachel, so i hope it lasts . Omg gabby with the nodding head last nite. In confused- is she currently a nurse, and when was she a cheerleader- before??

I’m not sure if Tino cares for Rachel or he just wants to win. Either way, I’d be alarmed at how he acts when he doesn’t get his way.  

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5 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

If he did not tell her about his daughter, i cant criticize that, i often feel people get their kids involved way too soon.

Waiting to introduce their child to someone they're dating is one thing - a parent should take as long as they need on that score. But "I have a child" is information that must be shared by the end of the first date unless you've already decided you aren't interested in seeing that person again. There is no acceptable reason for withholding it. The only reason to withhold it is if you are concerned your date would be turned off by that information and you want to keep seeing them. But children are a dealbreaker issue for a reason, and compounding that by making it a secret, another dealbreaker, is no foundation for a relationship. Just think of the number of outright lies and omissions Nate would have had to make over an 18-month period in order to conceal that simple fact of having a child whose life he is involved in. It would be impossible to trust such a person.

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14 hours ago, chocolatine said:

After tonight's episode I'm seeing strong parallels between Tino and Josh Murray from Andi's season. Andi had also said in the first episode that Josh was her type, and ended up picking him even though he threw multiple hissy fits during various group dates. If it's true that  Rachel picks Tino at the end, I'm sure it will end in disaster.

Josh Murray got really angry and nearly violent when questioned by the other men. Tino actually walked away to have his little hissy fit which was silly, but at least shows he maybe doesn't take his bad moods out on other people. Tino also seemed a bit embarrassed the next day and apologized to Ethan. For Rachel's sake, I hope he's just a little immature and not more like Josh cause he was flat out scary at some points. 

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4 hours ago, Black Knight said:

Waiting to introduce their child to someone they're dating is one thing - a parent should take as long as they need on that score. But "I have a child" is information that must be shared by the end of the first date unless you've already decided you aren't interested in seeing that person again. There is no acceptable reason for withholding it. The only reason to withhold it is if you are concerned your date would be turned off by that information and you want to keep seeing them. But children are a dealbreaker issue for a reason, and compounding that by making it a secret, another dealbreaker, is no foundation for a relationship. Just think of the number of outright lies and omissions Nate would have had to make over an 18-month period in order to conceal that simple fact of having a child whose life he is involved in. It would be impossible to trust such a person.

again, if what she says is true. its he said she said and she cant possibly have any more screenshots. 

15 hours ago, chocolatine said:

After tonight's episode I'm seeing strong parallels between Tino and Josh Murray from Andi's season. Andi had also said in the first episode that Josh was her type, and ended up picking him even though he threw multiple hissy fits during various group dates. If it's true that  Rachel picks Tino at the end, I'm sure it will end in disaster.

I wish i could remember Josh acting like that. I disliked Andi so much I blacked it out I think

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