S04.E09: No Such Thing as Fair

[Pallas]

Stack the deck with family foibles: while John and Beth squabble, Jamie realizes that Garrett's past might affect his own future.

[NeenerNeener]

Yay! No Jimmy so far!

Boo! I think Beth jinxed Rip and he won't live to see their wedding.

ETA: drat. I spoke too soon about "no Jimmy".

Edited December 27, 2021 by NeenerNeener

[Crashcourse]

I actually don't mind Jimmy this episode.  I was impressed that he used "segue" correctly, even though he didn't understand what "coy" meant last episode.  LOL  I'm glad his lady wants to wait for him, and I hope she does.  

I'm glad the kid is having some fun in the bunkhouse.  He deserves it.

Cry all you want, Beth.  I don't give a shit.

Oops.  From the previews it looks like Jimmy's gonna have to choose between Mia (noooo!) and the other woman whose name I don't remember.  I hope he chooses her.

Edited December 27, 2021 by Crashcourse

[toodywoody]

Omg, stop with the shit with Jimmy already. It isn't even Jimmy, it's the fact it's taking away from the stories I want to see. Taylor Sheridan, I know you write the shit, but come on get to the Yellowstone storyline. We have one episode yet and so much to wrap up. I felt bad for Jimmy's new girl. I think she was better for him than Mia. She wasn't pushing him to be something she wanted him to be, she accepted him for what he was. I'm glad he went and was willing to break his word and told her to wait. This relationship is better than him and Mia.

Thank goodness that baby mama realized the harm douche dad can do.

And I loved RIP leaving knowing Beth was gonna get an ass chewing. But good for John for telling Beth to sit the fuck down. But for him to say she disappointed him is bullshit. And telling her to find another home after he is crying that everyone left him. She did that shit for you. Yes it was to your piece of ass but really? He calls her home, tells her to protect the ranch, blah blah blah then his little protestor piece of ass gets put in jail and is facing life, which is harsh,  but the judge owes him, so you know she will get off. He fucking sits there and is all lonely in the house and bitching about his kids leaving but here she is literally blown to hell last season and beat to shit in another and he's gonna say that shit. Fuck off with that. 

Edited December 27, 2021 by toodywoody

[ShortyMac]

All the time spent on Jimmy would have been better spent on advancing the other plots! I feel like a whole lot of nothing has happened since the first two episodes of this season.

[jacourt]

20 minutes ago, ShortyMac said:

a whole lot of nothing has happened since the first two episodes of this season.

I'd like to change that to the first twenty minutes of this season. 

[mledawn]

The actor who plays Jimmy does the post episode recaps and does a great job imho. The personality of the actor seems to be getting him these choice plot lines and airtime which...no. It is too much. 

[Marley]

Am I supposed to care about Jimmy’s relationship with this random chick. Who fucking cares. What a waste of fucking time. All of the Jimmy’s scenes are such a damn waste of time. Oh awesome we see horses moving around cows again. This is not bringing anything to the show. I get we see ranching stuff or whatever but this is getting ridiculous.

Rip peacing out of the dinner did make me laugh.

Jamie and his dad are such a joke. The dad is a piece of shit. Jamie having undying loyalty to him is so dumb. 

Oh wonderful more scenes with Jimmy and his 2 minute relationship. I’m so invested - not. Boo! Stop with this shit please.

Why is John being so harsh on Beth. Her plan wasn’t the best but it’s no worse then what any of them have done really.

Don't fuck with Rip and Beth show. 

Kayce is just off on his own little show basically. Doing stuff I really don’t care about and not ever brushing his hair. I wish the wolf meant that Monica and Tate were going to be killed soon. I thought something was finally going to happen at the end of the episode but again nothing.

I feel like there’s been no point to this season. Like has anything happened at all? This was the 2nd to last episode and nothing has progressed like at all. I miss when this show was good. Next episode better be good otherwise I don’t know if I even wanna keep watching.

 

[Artsda]

Jimmy is returning already. They should have left him there longer. I prefer the vet and him, she seems to be more low key and understand the life. No barrel racers this episode was great. Looks like she's back next one though screaming, man up Jimmy and tell her to go away.

I thought we'd make it through the episode without Tate/Monica too but then they appeared at the end. Kasey's plot has no purpose and he's in his own world. He has nothing to do with the ranch or his family, Beth who is the only one fighting for it and trying with her plans after John asked her too is the one John is kicking out all over his protestor girlfriend?

John knows Jamie's dad is out of prison, wonder if he'll put the pieces together now. 

Jamie actually uttered the words he forgives his father for murdering his mother because he did his time? What about last month trying to murder Kacey, his kid, his wife, Beth, John and all the other casualties? Beth's assistant is dead.  Jamie is just as guilty as his father at this point for condoning him and the only thing he seems to care about right now is being Governor! 

Rip and Carter running away from dinner and the cards playing was entertaining to watch. Rip was happy and smiling at the kid beating the rest of them. 

The Walker/Beth stuff with Rip watching was odd and seeming the start of episode kind of forrshadow Rip hurt/dead.

[MBayGal]

Only one ep left this season? I think the final episode should be all about Jimmy's love life and Taylor Fucking Egomaniac's riding skills, so I can just skip the whole thing. Because the 20 or 30 minutes they actually spend on the Dutton family won't be enough to resolve half of loose threads hanging.  Oh maybe throw in 10 minutes of Kayce dying of hypothermia, that would be more interesting than anything about Jimmy.  The only redeeming aspect of this season is I'm not paying $10 a month for the privilege of watching it.

[Auntie Anxiety]

Will someone please wake me up when something actually happens? Thanks in advance.

[Sharper2002]

So daddy Dutton finally realizes the full extent of what a POS Beth is when it happens to someone he halfway cares about? Too late to put that genie back in the bottle. 

I had to fast forward the scenes with Jimmy.   The actor seems really nice and has a great personality but I do not care about this storyline.

I wish there was more momentum with Jamie’s storyline. He gets one scene to bitch to his dad or campaign manager/girlfriend about how he’ll never be able to beat his dad and that’s it. I guess at least John got to confront biodad in this ep.

I actually like the scenes with Rainwater and Mo and watching them walk Kayce through the ritual. I wish they had more of a storyline in the show in place of Jimmy’s adventures. I wonder how Kayce will come out of this experience and if he’ll totally leave the ranch alone. Also, wonder if the wolf is supposed to be some reincarnation of his mother. He was with her when she died and he was her favorite so maybe it’s a stand in for his guardian angel. That may be a huge stretch though. 

[NeenerNeener]

6 hours ago, Artsda said:

John knows Jamie's dad is out of prison, wonder if he'll put the pieces together now. 

I wonder if he knows, and just told Beth that BS story about the militias so she would lay off Jamie for now.

I'm afraid Metallic Cat is a goner soon. John has a lot of money tied up in him so he's a vulnerability. I hope John has insurance on him.

I also wonder if all the fancy horse scenes were what they decided to do for COVID mitigation when they shot this season.

 

[Msample]

Wow, we got halfway thru the show without Sheridan force feeding us spin off shit. But the we have to suffer through more Jimmy scenes, rodeo porn ( again with like 3 people in the "crowd" watching - can't Sheridan spring for some CGI crowds at least ? ) and news that Jimmy, despite being told when exiled to the 6666 that he'd "know when it was time to come back" is instead told by Sheridans character that he was being shipped back after doing little other than jerking off a horse, fucking the horses's doctor and driving a rig around for a bit. The fact that he's driving back a multi million dollar horse may have significance but I doubt it, as the previews suggest he somehow makes it back to the Yellowstone.  Throw in Walker's closing sad guitar playing and the amount of utterly useless time taken up in this episode is about the same as the rest of the eps in this train wreck season. 

I still have seen no indication that the 6666 series has even entered production, so it looks like next season will be more Jimmy bullshit. 

Elsewhere, we have Summer, supposedly an experienced protestor being shocked that hitting Federal officers is a big offense ( although 30 years sounds like bullshit ) and easily the funniest line of the episode where she laments Dutton will be the last guy she fucks for 30 years. Maybe Jobn threw Beth out so he can bring Summer back to the house w/o more Beth confrontations ?

Carter is getting more screen time than Tate or hell even Kayce these days. Please god let him get thrown from the horse. 

The diner confrontation with Garrett was just...stupid. 

Jamies baby momma is just finding out now his dad was in prison ? I find that hard to believe.  

 

[joliefaire]

11 hours ago, Artsda said:

The Walker/Beth stuff with Rip watching was odd and seeming the start of episode kind of forrshadow Rip hurt/dead.

Yes.  As I watched that scene unfold, I thought immediately of last week's 'snake in the barn' story.  Will Walker prove to be the snake in the barn that is Rip and Beth's relationship? 

[Crashcourse]

2 hours ago, Msample said:

and easily the funniest line of the episode where she laments Dutton will be the last guy she fucks for 30 years.

I loved the look on John's face when she said that.

[BrownBear2012]

11 hours ago, Sharper2002 said:

So daddy Dutton finally realizes the full extent of what a POS Beth is when it happens to someone he halfway cares about? Too late to put that genie back in the bottle. 

I had to fast forward the scenes with Jimmy.   The actor seems really nice and has a great personality but I do not care about this storyline.

I wish there was more momentum with Jamie’s storyline. He gets one scene to bitch to his dad or campaign manager/girlfriend about how he’ll never be able to beat his dad and that’s it. I guess at least John got to confront biodad in this ep.

I actually like the scenes with Rainwater and Mo and watching them walk Kayce through the ritual. I wish they had more of a storyline in the show in place of Jimmy’s adventures. I wonder how Kayce will come out of this experience and if he’ll totally leave the ranch alone. Also, wonder if the wolf is supposed to be some reincarnation of his mother. He was with her when she died and he was her favorite so maybe it’s a stand in for his guardian angel. That may be a huge stretch though. 

So agree about the storyline on Jimmy. How does a guy like that get lucky with good looking women? Oh yeah...that's right...it's a Hollywood script. This whole Jimmy thing is just a waste of our time. Interesting that we had to sit through another another segment of Taylor Sheridan doing his cowpoke stuff and dishing out some cowboy wisdom...ugh.

I have a theory about the wolf...I think it might be his brother-in-law. The one he killed in the first season of the show. He lied to his wife about the killing and she has been led to believe that he had no involvement. Because he lied about it to his wife, he also lied to the tribe. I love any scenes where the Native Americans and their culture are showcased. That has been one of the saving graces of this show this season. 

[BrownBear2012]

2 hours ago, joliefaire said:

Yes.  As I watched that scene unfold, I thought immediately of last week's 'snake in the barn' story.  Will Walker prove to be the snake in the barn that is Rip and Beth's relationship? 

I thought that scene with Beth crying uncontrollably in the barn was ridiculous. Miss tough shit breaks down because Daddy got mad and asked to her to move out? All she has to do is wait a couple of days and then manipulate him back into letting her stay...she knows how to work her Daddy.

Edited December 27, 2021 by BrownBear2012

[Crashcourse]

While I agree there's been too much Jimmy this season, I'd rather watch him than Taylor Sheridan and the other guys doing rodeo horse tricks.  I feel sorry for the horses and I wish they'd buck those guys off more often.  

Also, regarding John telling Beth to move out, since she and Rip are engaged, does that mean he moves with her?  I'm confused.  

Edited December 27, 2021 by Crashcourse

[BrownBear2012]

2 hours ago, Msample said:

Wow, we got halfway thru the show without Sheridan force feeding us spin off shit. But the we have to suffer through more Jimmy scenes, rodeo porn ( again with like 3 people in the "crowd" watching - can't Sheridan spring for some CGI crowds at least ? ) and news that Jimmy, despite being told when exiled to the 6666 that he'd "know when it was time to come back" is instead told by Sheridans character that he was being shipped back after doing little other than jerking off a horse, fucking the horses's doctor and driving a rig around for a bit. The fact that he's driving back a multi million dollar horse may have significance but I doubt it, as the previews suggest he somehow makes it back to the Yellowstone.  Throw in Walker's closing sad guitar playing and the amount of utterly useless time taken up in this episode is about the same as the rest of the eps in this train wreck season. 

I still have seen no indication that the 6666 series has even entered production, so it looks like next season will be more Jimmy bullshit. 

Elsewhere, we have Summer, supposedly an experienced protestor being shocked that hitting Federal officers is a big offense ( although 30 years sounds like bullshit ) and easily the funniest line of the episode where she laments Dutton will be the last guy she fucks for 30 years. Maybe Jobn threw Beth out so he can bring Summer back to the house w/o more Beth confrontations ?

Carter is getting more screen time than Tate or hell even Kayce these days. Please god let him get thrown from the horse. 

The diner confrontation with Garrett was just...stupid. 

Jamies baby momma is just finding out now his dad was in prison ? I find that hard to believe.  

 

Yeah...gotta concur with you on just about everything. If I didn't know any better, I'd say this show is being written by the same people who wrote "Dallas".

13 hours ago, MBayGal said:

Only one ep left this season? I think the final episode should be all about Jimmy's love life and Taylor Fucking Egomaniac's riding skills, so I can just skip the whole thing. Because the 20 or 30 minutes they actually spend on the Dutton family won't be enough to resolve half of loose threads hanging.  Oh maybe throw in 10 minutes of Kayce dying of hypothermia, that would be more interesting than anything about Jimmy.  The only redeeming aspect of this season is I'm not paying $10 a month for the privilege of watching it.

👏👏👏

[MBayGal]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

While I agree there's been too much Jimmy this season, I'd rather watch him than Taylor Sheridan and the other guys doing rodeo horse tricks.

I'd rather watch test patterns (for those of you old enough to remember them) than jimmy or taylor. The idea that we will be seeing jimmy again next year is depressing.  

[Crashcourse]

I wonder if RiP is having second thoughts about marrying Beth.  Sure, he loves her but I think he's beginning to realize just how how stressful marriage to her would be.  It would've been interesting to have a new woman introduced into his life.

[The Pretender]

Great episode but hard to swallow for a Beth fan like myself. I really thought John already knew at least some of her mischieves/methods, he seemed totally clueless to this side of her which I find suprising. Don't get me wrong I thought Beth deserved being told off and even reprimanded but to actually ask her to leave the house, especially after just moving in/being asked to move in by John himself, that was a step too far imo. I really hope this rift won't last for too long. I love their scenes together. That first scene in the kitchen was fire (not approve of throwing hot coffee at/towards anyone though) and I would miss this duo a lot. 

Kelly in the bts video for this episode got me misty eyed. She takes Beth so so serious and I appreciate it so so much. This is such a stellar cast (except for one of the tiny actors this particular season but yeah) 

Rip and Carter in the bunk house was fun to see. And Teeter. Like Jen Landon you are freaking amazing. Also Jen in the bts video, pure gold. Finn Little is so far off his character Carter language wise it's hilarious to see the contrast in those bts videos. 

Yeah obviously not a Jamie fan but how can he even stand to be in the same room as his bio dad knowing he killed his bio mom!? I will probably never get him. 

Feels like Jimmy became a cowboy quickly but then again I'm not really sure about the timeline. Either way it will be nice to see him back at the ranch with the rest of the guys so we can spend more time there instead of other places. Hoping for no gf drama though but it seems my wish won't come true. Nay. 

Opening scene was fun. I giggled at John feeling like he worked with pirates. Carter's first time on a horse haha. Will he get to stay in the house when/if Beth leaves? Think not :( 

Excited about the two hour season finale. I'll prepare myself for another big cliffhanger but I'm hoping there will be no potential major characters deaths, I don't want anyone gone but Jamie's bio dad.  

5 hours ago, joliefaire said:

Yes.  As I watched that scene unfold, I thought immediately of last week's 'snake in the barn' story.  Will Walker prove to be the snake in the barn that is Rip and Beth's relationship? 

I told you in a previous thread that I am a Rip/Beth shipper and I did get kind of nervous about this scene. When she first stood there in the door of the bunk house I hoped Rip would be the first to spot her but when it was Walker I feared she would just take him out and jump his bones as per her usual destructive ways. Then I thought the actual asking him to sing her a sad song was sweet and the scene was nice, Bingham has such a good voice and Kelly constantly nails Beth even when she's not-so-Beth'ish. The part that had me most worried was the way Rip closed the door after he spotted them out there. If he'd just closed it slowly I wouldn't worried but now it was sort of harsh and un-accepted (sorry english isn't my first language and I'm not sure I'm using the right word here). I'm hoping I'm just reading too much in to this but then Bingham goes and makes me worried in the behind the episode segment. 

3 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

I have a theory about the wolf...I think it might be his brother-in-law. The one he killed in the first season of the show. He lied to his wife about the killing and she has been led to believe that he had no involvement. Because he lied about it to his wife, he also lied to the tribe. I love any scenes where the Native Americans and their culture are showcased. That has been one of the saving graces of this show this season. 

Very interesting take. I can see this being it. I'm also really appreciating Kayce's journey currently and the show teaching me all this. I'm trusting the show/Taylor, especially since Birmingham and Mo Brings Plenty are there in the actual scenes, to show this accurately. Looking forward to see where this takes Kayce in the next episode and beyond that. 

[mythoughtis]

Monica knows Kacey killed her brother.  It took him a long time but he did finally tell her about it. 
John telling Beth he’s disappointed in her for the first time?  Up, that was the whole first season, wasn’t it? 
He has absolutely no room to talk about Beth’s  methods.  Not after branding his own son and knowing all about the train station. 
 

I think what they are doing with these horses has to hurt their legs. It’s not entertainment to me.

[Msample]

49 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

 

I think what they are doing with these horses has to hurt their legs. It’s not entertainment to me.

But it strokes Taylor Sheridans ego, and that’s all that matters.

[mythoughtis]

54 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Errant post

Edited December 28, 2021 by mythoughtis

[BrownBear2012]

2 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Monica knows Kacey killed her brother.  It took him a long time but he did finally tell her about it. 
John telling Beth he’s disappointed in her for the first time?  Up, that was the whole first season, wasn’t it? 
He has absolutely no room to talk about Beth’s  methods.  Not after branding his own son and knowing all about the train station. 
 

I think what they are doing with these horses has to hurt their legs. It’s not entertainment to me.

I don't seem to remember that about Kayce telling Monica that he shot her brother...did the tribal elders know this? Or Monica's father? I simply don't recall this. 

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, BrownBear2012 said:

I don't seem to remember that about Kayce telling Monica that he shot her brother...did the tribal elders know this? Or Monica's father? I simply don't recall this. 

I don’t believe so. Kacey told Monica after she asked him again to be honest with her about everything. He mentioned the fact that he had rounded up the cattle that night, and started the whole thing as a result.  He told her that  her brother shot Lee, and I think she figured out the rest 
 

eta- it was in the Unraveling episode according to the internet 

Edited December 28, 2021 by mythoughtis

[Tatum]

I often find myself wishing Beth would get taken down a peg or two, but John's method was unconscionable. Although it actually is fitting for him- John is very kind and generous- when you do things his way. And only his way. Once you don't, you're out. I don't think he really wants Beth to move out, I think he was using his standard operating procedure to keep Beth in line. Do what Daddy says, or Daddy won't love you. And even though I just said Beth needs to be taken down a peg, there is little anyone besides John could ever say that would hurt her more than she hurts herself on a daily basis. Beth clearly hates herself and sees John as her salvation. 

 

And John is such a hypocrite. No more collateral damage? Like John has ever given a shit about the number of people who were killed simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time when one of John's enemies opened fire. Or blew up their buildings. Or sent their goons in to beat everyone in the building to death. Sure, John could say he didn't start shooting, or blow anything up. or beat any innocent person, but the Duttons have employed a lot of people who have not lived to tell the tale, and John was pretty callous about the whole thing. Hey John, remember when Beth was crying about her assistant getting killed, and how she was going to tell his parents and how she was going to answer when they asked her how this happened, and you said, who cares? You're fine. But I guess you weren't fucking him.

 

And really Summer? Whining, Beth told  me to? At the risk of sounding like a 1990s teacher, if Beth told you to jump off a bridge, would you? You're an adult. Act like it. If you want to be a martyr, realize...you're going to be a martyr.

 

I liked Rip gleefully exiting the room with Carter, but from the look on his face later, he's going to be pissed that Beth unloaded her feelings to Walker, and will probably take it out on Walker. Also, Carter is really getting on my nerves. That kid actor has been in lots of stuff recently and normally I don't mind him, but I just don't care for Carter's character and I don't this actor is the right one to pull it off.

 

ETA: Also John can fuck off with his disapproval of the new sheriff in town. Just because someone is going to hold you accountable, John, and won't ask you permission before he wipes his own ass, doesn't mean he is a bad person or deserves your contempt. And you didn't even like the old sheriff until he became your sycophant, then all the sudden he is considered big shoes to fill? Classic John and his God complex, where obedience to him should be above any law or personal moral/ethics code.

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by Tatum

[pasdetrois]

11 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I think what they are doing with these horses has to hurt their legs. It’s not entertainment to me.

I agree. I asked in an earlier season whether these horses become injured and lame over time. They are athletes doing unnatural, damaging repetitive motion, and surely it takes its toll.

Edited December 28, 2021 by pasdetrois

[tennisgurl]

I feel like nothing has happened this whole season except for more romantic drama then your average CW teen drama and a backdoor pilot that will never end. I guess that’s what happens when you get more interested in using your show to promote your new show then telling an actual story. I couldn’t even appreciate Beth getting chewed out, that’s how half assed this has all been. 

[Crashcourse]

Beth might hate herself, but she hates others even more.  She could probably use some therapy but she'd be so evil and nasty and throwing f-bombs at a therapist, they would toss her ass out of the office.  It's sad, but true.  She might be better off moving back to Utah--alone--so she can reflect upon how she wants to live the rest of her life.   

[BrownBear2012]

14 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I don’t believe so. Kacey told Monica after she asked him again to be honest with her about everything. He mentioned the fact that he had rounded up the cattle that night, and started the whole thing as a result.  He told her that  her brother shot Lee, and I think she figured out the rest 
 

eta- it was in the Unraveling episode according to the internet 

I guess this was in the first season...my memory bank is a little foggy these days but now that you clarified this I remember the conversation between Monica and Kayce. Seems like ions ago!

[BrownBear2012]

6 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

I agree. I asked in an earlier season whether these horses become injured and lame over time. They are athletes doing unnatural, damaging repetitive motion, and surely it takes its toll.

I am so glad to see others voice concern about this issue. I was appalled by this. Call me a snowflake or any other slur but I grew up in the Bluegrass state and lived in horse country and never saw anything like this before. Taylor Sheridan has made this a focal point of the show now...and seems to be showcasing himself engaging in this "sport" or whatever the hell it is. It's hard for me to watch.

[TVbitch]

Spinning around in circles is uncomfortable and disorienting to humans, so I would think it is not much fun for horses. And if I may also speak for cows, they are pretty gentle creatures and I don't see the entertainment value of repeatedly frightening, chasing, and cornering them. 

Rip already said "no one wants him dead more than me" about Walker, so singing to his lady might not be a smart move. I'm sure Beth will have burn her life down since daddy is mad at her. Summer should just say it was pitch black out, flares were going off, people were screaming, and she just swung at whoever was coming at her in fear for her life or something. 

How does Kayce go from riding with John every morning and being involved with the ranch to zero contact? Is the new house THAT far away? 

Jimmy's gal is gonna wait some undetermined period of time for him after a couple weeks of dating? I guess there really are no men in her parts. 

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

Beth might hate herself, but she hates others even more.  She could probably use some therapy but she'd be so evil and nasty and throwing f-bombs at a therapist, they would toss her ass out of the office.  It's sad, but true.  She might be better off moving back to Utah--alone--so she can reflect upon how she wants to live the rest of her life.   

Yeah, therapy for Beth would be useless. She would never listen and she would rather score points off the therapist than actually work to feel better. She would try and psycho-analyze the therapist as much as she does with everyone else and in Sheridan-verse, she would totally get the better of him/her.

 

Honestly her dad cutting her off would probably help her the most because she wouldn't be always bashing her face in the wall trying to prove how much she loves him and get his approval. Sure, she'd still be a total bitch, but not one so wrapped up in a futile goal.

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

Summer should just say it was pitch black out, flares were going off, people were screaming, and she just swung at whoever was coming at her in fear for her life or something. 

Yeah she's really doing herself no favors here. Although now that I think about it- the peace officer wasn't coming at her, was he? Wasn't he trying to subdue a fellow protestor?  Plus, she threw a rock at Kayce, and no one put her up to doing that.

 

Of all the shitty things Beth has done, this isn't even top 10. It's not like Beth could have known life imprisonment would be on the table and even if she did, Summer still chose to assault someone twice, one of which could have been pretty dangerous, and she shrugged it off both times. John's anger at her is way over the top. Summer has been in complete control of her own decisions and she chose badly. It wasn't like Beth framed her or lied to her.

Edited December 28, 2021 by Tatum

[JenMcSnark]

8 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

I agree. I asked in an earlier season whether these horses become injured and lame over time. They are athletes doing unnatural, damaging repetitive motion, and surely it takes its toll.

Not only that but they are bred to be smaller than normal Quarter Horses so that they are more agile.  I abhor breeding any animal to meet human objectives.  It rarely works out well for the animal/breed.  :(  Between the smaller stature, unnatural movements, and repetitiveness it has to really be terrible for these horses in the long run.

[Lady Jane]

4 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Beth might hate herself, but she hates others even more.  She could probably use some therapy but she'd be so evil and nasty and throwing f-bombs at a therapist, they would toss her ass out of the office.  It's sad, but true.  She might be better off moving back to Utah--alone--so she can reflect upon how she wants to live the rest of her life.   

When she met Carter, he asked her if she was a therapist, and she said "I am the wall that therapists throw themselves against until they break" or something like that.

I can absolutely understand why John telling her to move out was so devastating. She moved in there so he wouldn't be living alone. His goals have become her mission in life -- she told one of the ME people (I think it was them) that she'd sell them the whole ranch the day after John died, but until then, it was her Alamo. Her dad may not like her methods, but he created this "monster" and always turned a blind eye to whatever she was doing, right or wrong, to benefit him. He knew who she was. He knew she was doing something he wouldn't like (because he knew she wouldn't tell him about it when he asked), and NOW he's calling her on her methods? The guy who sends unruly ranch hands to the train station? If the collateral damage had been anyone other than a woman he liked, he wouldn't have cared in the least.

I don't think Rip was angry at Beth/Walker. I think Rip knew that he couldn't help Beth in that moment. I feel like he was giving her the privacy to work through that intense despair rather than intrude.

[Crashcourse]

3 minutes ago, Lady Jane said:

If the collateral damage had been anyone other than a woman he liked, he wouldn't have cared in the least.

Yup, that pretty much sums it up.  

However, I do think it would be best for her to move out, even if it's because John told her to.  I also have a feeling there won't be a Beth/Rip wedding and I'll be surprised if there is.  

[Artsda]

I don't see Rip leaving that ranch, so if Beth did leave I bet she would be going alone.

[Sunnykm]

I, too, have felt uncomfortable with the Sheridan horse porn stuff.  This episode Sheridan was giving us some background on the horse porn--We see Jimmy watching the cowboys isolating the calves with the stop short and spin moves from the horse porn stuff.  It gave me more context into what the stop short and spinning contests were meant to show.

But ugggg we got more Jimmy with it.

[Sunnykm]

Beth.

I empathize with Beth's disgust with her dad that he would put himself in mortal danger to save the random people in the diner but her dad (to her knowledge) has not tried to avenge the people who tried to kill her and the rest of them.  Her disfiguring injuries and his brink of death seem to be of no consequence but randos...they get it all from John.

 

Rip had a point about her concerns about her dad in mortal danger but not him.  Maybe the closing of the bunkhouse door was his response to her indifference to his possible death at the diner??  My husband says Rip closed the bunkhouse door cuz he knew Beth needed some time to cry.  But I think not.  Who is right???

Jeez John, you put your ho above your daughter??? That is bad stuff regardless if Beth had a suggestion to Summer about the protest--Summer is an adult and know and controls what she is doing.

[Tatum]

5 hours ago, Sunnykm said:

Maybe the closing of the bunkhouse door was his response to her indifference to his possible death at the diner??  My husband says Rip closed the bunkhouse door cuz he knew Beth needed some time to cry.  But I think not.  Who is right???

At first I thought he was being empathetic- appreciating that Beth needed to cry and wouldn't want to break down in front of him, and backing away so she wouldn't see him and be embarrassed, or feel like she had to explain.

 

But as he was closing the door, he had a pretty aggravated look and he did not shut the door particularly gently. But I suppose thinking about it, he might not have been angry at Walker like I originally thought. He might have just realized how complicated the Beth/John dynamic had just become and he is right in the middle. I do wonder who would choose if he had to- I don't think Beth is a slam dunk here.

[mledawn]

While Beth irritates me far more often than not, the end section of the scene with John and Beth in the kitchen was really well acted. Costner was fantastic.

I fast forwarded through more of this episode than any other this season. 

Watching this and Mayor of Kingstown had me do a double-take, as the actor who plays Bill the sheriff also plays the police captain on Kingstown. And the actress playing Summer’s lawyer is the awesome Rebecca on Kingstown. I think it’s sort of fun the way Sheridan has his pool of actors but having these shows so close together (especially when actors play similar roles) is sort of odd.

Edited December 29, 2021 by mledawn

[Crashcourse]

7 hours ago, Tatum said:

But as he was closing the door, he had a pretty aggravated look and he did not shut the door particularly gently. But I suppose thinking about it, he might not have been angry at Walker like I originally thought. He might have just realized how complicated the Beth/John dynamic had just become and he is right in the middle. I do wonder who would choose if he had to- I don't think Beth is a slam dunk here.

I didn't think he was mad at Walker either. When he shut the door I did wonder if it was supposed to be symbolic of his shutting the door on the relationship with Beth.  It's not just the John/Beth relationship he's dealing with, it's Beth herself with all of her issues.  He knows this is what he has to look forward to for the rest of his life, and pouring her drinks when she comes home pissed off at someone.  

[Tatum]

36 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I didn't think he was mad at Walker either. When he shut the door I did wonder if it was supposed to be symbolic of his shutting the door on the relationship with Beth.  It's not just the John/Beth relationship he's dealing with, it's Beth herself with all of her issues.  He knows this is what he has to look forward to for the rest of his life, and pouring her drinks when she comes home pissed off at someone.  

Right, plus, if Beth is exiled, would Rip be willing to give up the Dutton life? What would he do in Denver or Utah or wherever it was Beth lived? And Beth herself, never a treat to begin with, certainly won't be any more pleasant if her only reason for living truly washed his hands of her.

[NeenerNeener]

Since I'm enjoying Yellowstone and 1883 I decided to binge-watch my dad's favorite show, Deadwood. Yellowstone is a contemporary Deadwood.

John Dutton is Al Swearengen, Rainwater is Tolliver, Kayce is Bullock trying to walk between the two and Market Equities is George Hearst trying to take over the gold mines and burn Deadwood down. Jimmy is Calamity Jane.

Edited December 30, 2021 by NeenerNeener

[sas616]

3 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Since I'm enjoying Yellowstone and 1883 I decided to binge-watch my dad's favorite show, Deadwood. Yellowstone is a contemporary Deadwood.

John Dutton is Al Swearengen, Rainwater is Tolliver, Kayce is Bullock trying to walk between the two and Market Equities is George Hearst trying to take over the gold mines and burn Deadwood down. Jimmy is Calamity Jane.

I was thinking the same thing, but mainly because of the language in both shows.   Though Beth far surpasses anything that Al ever said. 

Your casting is spot on. 

[madmax]

5 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Since I'm enjoying Yellowstone and 1883 I decided to binge-watch my dad's favorite show, Deadwood. Yellowstone is a contemporary Deadwood.

John Dutton is Al Swearengen, Rainwater is Tolliver, Kayce is Bullock trying to walk between the two and Market Equities is George Hearst trying to take over the gold mines and burn Deadwood down. Jimmy is Calamity Jane.

I can't agree with the Jimmy casting.  Calamity Jane was one of my favorite characters and Jimmy is the guy I fast-forward through.  Jimmy is Wu's pigs...