S03.E08: Chiantishire

[poeticlicensed]

4 minutes ago, BrownBear2012 said:

I can't unsee that pic😱

Why do some men think that women want dick pics? Maybe women should start sending men pics of their latest mammograms. 

[BrownBear2012]

Each episode I loathe this family more than the last episode. They're all awful. Logan is an evil, sadistic SOB. The kids have no empathy and play headgames with each other, their spouses and significant others. They are all incapable of giving or receiving love. They are bereft of compassion or any kind of humanly care or concern. Totally driven by power and greed. Great job Mom and Dad!

2 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Why do some men think that women want dick pics? Maybe women should start sending men pics of their latest mammograms. 

YES! Roman seems like the clueless loser with women who would resort to such a thing. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

3 hours ago, John M said:

Serious Question: What are the odds that is actually Kieran Culkin's dick? I'm guessing non-zero.

Zero.  Even Steve Zahn used a double in "The White Lotus", and that one was ATTACHED to him.  There'd be no way a producer could convince Kieran needs to show his in a completely separate picture, and why would Kieran want to?

Edited December 6, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Carolina Girl]

So not Jack Dorsey is sleeping on a crap camp bed waiting for a connection to obtain the $100K Savoir bed set?  Dude, whatever.  Plunk down the $5K for a good TempurPedic in the interim.  You can always put it in a guest room when Doogie Hauser's dream bed from "Gone Girl" arrives.  

[Avabelle]

Is Kendall’s oldest daughter a different race? 
 

Also had it been established to Tom that Shiv isn’t in love him? I thought they were at least trying to pretend it was real for her.. why is she with him?

Edited December 6, 2021 by Avabelle

[SoWindsor]

Why does Shiv think she’s out of Tom’s league? Looks wise they’re on the same level. Is it just her status as a Roy?

[sistermagpie]

1 hour ago, poeticlicensed said:

When Logan left Kendall at the table and he was just sitting there all alone, it was like a scene out of the Godfather 2 when Michael finally has it all  and has nothing. I predict the series will end with Kendall ascending to the throne of Waystar Royco, but is an empty, broken bitter man with no one in his life, like Michael. But he wins. For whatever that's worth. I have always felt that this show is the Logan Kendall story and it will lead to Kendall learning to be a bigger SOB than Logan and taking over.  

 

But Michael started out as something else and his father wanted him to be legit. With Kendall he started out as a weaksauce, empty version of his dad so having him end up as described here is a pretty lateral move. He's already been the bigger SOB and tried to take over by force.

51 minutes ago, BrownBear2012 said:

YES! Roman seems like the clueless loser with women who would resort to such a thing. 

Roman's actually got more logic on his side than most guys, since Roman gets off on being disgusting. He does it because it's pathetic, just like him, and Gerri should, you know, tell him that explicitly and in detail while he masturbates.

[Msample]

If Logan won’t buy out Kendall’s shares, why can’t Kendall just sell them to someone else.  The mere threat of having a possible activist investor controlling those shares ( as well as Kendall’s board seat ) might force Logan to buy him out. I am sure Stewey would love to get his hands on that piece of the company .

 

Tom needs to walk, no RUN from Shiv right now. She’s horrible towards him .

[BlackberryJam]

18 minutes ago, Avabelle said:

Is Kendall’s oldest daughter a different race? 
 

Also had it been established to Tom that Shiv isn’t in love him? I thought they were at least trying to pretend it was real for her.. why is she with him?

I thought Sophie just took after Rava rather than Kendall.

Whoever called dick pics "phallic terrorism" has it right. When a man offers to send me a dick pic, I view that as a threat, not an enticement.

I loved A-Skars epitomizing the ennui of the super rich. He bought a house and made it perfect, now it doesn't interest him. He wants the perfect bed, not because he needs it to have a good night's sleep, but because he thinks possessing that will make him feel less bored and empty. I bet the most fun Lukas Mattson has had in years has been fucking with the Roys by sending out ambiguous tweets.

[poeticlicensed]

34 minutes ago, SoWindsor said:

Why does Shiv think she’s out of Tom’s league? Looks wise they’re on the same level. Is it just her status as a Roy?

Money. Tom's mom is a lawyer and he grew up privileged but not on the same level as the Roys. Remember everything is about money with these people. Its their only yardstick. 

[tennisgurl]

1 hour ago, dmc said:

I think so too.  Connor is basically decent though and he's nice to her.  I never know if we are supposed to feel sorry for her or what. 

Weirdly enough, considering Willa is a high class call girl that Connor paid to be his girlfriend, they probably have one of the most functioning romantic relationships on the show. They're supportive of each others dreams (as hard to reach as they might be) they don't argue very much, they don't really hold things about each other (Willa being a call girl, Connor being Connor) against the other, and do just seem to enjoy each others company. Maybe because there is an honesty to the business arrangement aspect of their relationship that makes it work? Just about every Roy's romantic relationships have aspects of business to it, just Willa and Connor have an actual arrangement where they both know the score. Well, maybe more Willa, but close enough. I don't think that Willa is in love with Connor like he is with her, and I doubt she wants to be in the public eye as his call girl turned fiancé/aspirating playwright, but she does actually seem to like him, which is a lot better then a lot of couples we've seen. 

[poeticlicensed]

57 minutes ago, Carolina Girl said:

So not Jack Dorsey is sleeping on a crap camp bed waiting for a connection to obtain the $100K Savoir bed set?  Dude, whatever.  Plunk down the $5K for a good TempurPedic in the interim.  You can always put it in a guest room when Doogie Hauser's dream bed from "Gone Girl" arrives.  

He thinks if he has the bestest most perfect of everything , then he will be happy. He has a big surprise in store once he finds that mattress.  Of course it will ever end. Next he will fixate on he best shoes, then the best fridge, toothpaste and on and on and on. 

Edited December 6, 2021 by poeticlicensed

[poeticlicensed]

32 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

But Michael started out as something else and his father wanted him to be legit. With Kendall he started out as a weaksauce, empty version of his dad so having him end up as described here is a pretty lateral move. He's already been the bigger SOB and tried to take over by force.

I could be very wrong about it. But I think he wanted to take over because he wanted to save the company from Logans bad decisions, his failing health, to modernize. Now its just about screwing Logan or Logan screwing with him. I think in a way Logan loves that Kendall is trying to unseat him. The narrative of the show is that Logan screwed everyone on the way up. At the end if the day its the one who screws him big time or st least tries to who will succeed him.

[dmc]

20 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Weirdly enough, considering Willa is a high class call girl that Connor paid to be his girlfriend, they probably have one of the most functioning romantic relationships on the show. They're supportive of each others dreams (as hard to reach as they might be) they don't argue very much, they don't really hold things about each other (Willa being a call girl, Connor being Connor) against the other, and do just seem to enjoy each others company. Maybe because there is an honesty to the business arrangement aspect of their relationship that makes it work? Just about every Roy's romantic relationships have aspects of business to it, just Willa and Connor have an actual arrangement where they both know the score. Well, maybe more Willa, but close enough. I don't think that Willa is in love with Connor like he is with her, and I doubt she wants to be in the public eye as his call girl turned fiancé/aspirating playwright, but she does actually seem to like him, which is a lot better then a lot of couples we've seen. 

Yes it’s definitely not love on her part.  I think she cares for him but she’s definitely not in love.  

[peachmangosteen]

4 hours ago, Evie said:

I've enjoyed Greg's scenes this season, but I don't know if they have an actual plan for him. 

I often feel like they don't have an actual plan for any character tbh but yea it's very obvious with Greg.

3 hours ago, Lassus said:

I mean, if they play a GoT and off Cox, that would be about the bravest thing imaginable.  

I really wish they'd do this. I am so fucking tired of Logan. Sure, Brian Cox is fantastic and there have been individual Logan related things that entertained or interested me but overall I'm just over it.

2 hours ago, dmc said:

I swear any time I feel sorry for a character on this show, I flashback to them being horrible.  

Right! Like I hated Roman so much in the beginning and then I kinda forgot about it but this season has just reminded me of what an awful, pathetic shit he is.

1 hour ago, Avabelle said:

Is Kendall’s oldest daughter a different race? 

I always thought she was. I actually have assumed all this time that their kids are adopted but that doesn't make a lot of sense really. I think Rava is maybe supposed to be at least biracial possibly? 

I thought Kendall was just trying to hold his breath because of the convo with Logan. After the last ep I did think he might try to kill himself but now I'm thinking the season will end with him either turning himself in for leaving the waiter to die or the media finding out about it another way.

[Kirsty]

17 hours ago, Mr. R0b0t said:

Gerri played that the right way.... be coy, don't show any cards. 

Agreed. Gerri committed herself to exactly nothing. She committed Roman to nothing either -- I love that she said she couldn't recall if it had happened before! I take it Gerri has learned to steer around the Roy kids and their manipulations over the years. But it's not in her interest to make an outright enemy of any of them, and who would want the drama anyway? The Roy kids are kind of like in-laws; you don't have to like them but they're part of the package deal of, in this case, running the company.

15 hours ago, Adgirl said:

I had to pause when Roman sent the pic.

Same! I paused more than once because I was dying of mortification. When Roman realised what he'd done! When Logan clicked on the picture! Omg the cringe factor was sky high.

Unless Jeremy Strong has chosen to move on from the show (which I doubt), Kendall in the water is just a tease. Maybe the finale even ends with Kendall at death's door as a season ending cliffhanger, but it will still be a tease and I expect him to play just as big a role in the next season.

I thought this was a strong episode. Logan/Kendall was excellent; I was intrigued by Caroline's interactions with all her kids; Connor proposed; Roman's storyline did not go where I was expecting and Logan went for the merger idea; Tuscany looked fab; and it made me laugh.

[poeticlicensed]

11 minutes ago, dmc said:

Yes it’s definitely not love on her part.  I think she cares for him but she’s definitely not in love.  

You gotta love delusional Connor. He thinks if he marries his call girl girlfriend, negative stuff about her past will magically disappear. 

 

I have to say that the location porn in this show is jawdropping. I didn't think they could outdo the English castle in season 1, but then they board a mega yacht and cruise around Croatia and i am saying you can't top that, but OMG, Tuscany and Lake Como. That house on Lake Como my eyes nearly fell out of my head. Can you imagine looking at that view every day? Its funny because I barely pay attention to what they are all wearing because I'm always looking at what is behind them. That said what is up with Shiv and the sundresses and Kendall's birthday outfit was hilarious. 

Edited December 6, 2021 by poeticlicensed

[dmc]

9 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

You gotta love delusional Connor. He thinks if he marries his call girl girlfriend, negative stuff about her past will magically disappear. 

 

I have to say that the location porn in this show is jawdropping. I didn't think they could outdo the English castle in season 1, but then they board a mega yacht and cruise around Croatia and i am saying you can't top that, but OMG, Tuscany and Lake Como. That house on Lake Como my eyes nearly fell out of my head. Can you imagine looking at that view every day? Its funny because I barely pay attention to what they are all wearing because I'm always looking at what is behind them. That said what is up with Shiv and the sundresses and Kendall's birthday outfit was hilarious. 

Remember when he said it’s possible the press was just being friendly not digging lol 

Edited December 7, 2021 by dmc

[Blakeston]

4 hours ago, John M said:

Serious Question: What are the odds that is actually Kieran Culkin's dick? I'm guessing non-zero.

If there's ever a scene like that with Kendall's dick, you know Jeremy Strong (one of the most extreme of method actors) would demand that no body double be used.

[John M]

1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Zero.  Even Steve Zahn used a double in "The White Lotus", and that one was ATTACHED to him.  There'd be no way a producer could convince Kieran needs to show his in a completely separate picture, and why would Kieran want to?

I dunno, it just feels like something Kieran would do as a lark if he had plausible deniability that it was really him. I mean they needed a properly cleared and licensed dick pic.

[dmc]

2 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Why do some men think that women want dick pics? Maybe women should start sending men pics of their latest mammograms. 

🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🙄 I too, wondered why men are doing this? It’s baffling behavior.  
 

I did have a lol, that Gerri said good job and this was Roman’s response 

 

[poeticlicensed]

1 hour ago, Msample said:

If Logan won’t buy out Kendall’s shares, why can’t Kendall just sell them to someone else.  The mere threat of having a possible activist investor controlling those shares ( as well as Kendall’s board seat ) might force Logan to buy him out. I am sure Stewey would love to get his hands on that piece of the company .

 

Tom needs to walk, no RUN from Shiv right now. She’s horrible towards him .

Knowing how the company is set up, most likely the only people who they can sell their shares to  are other family members OR maybe the board (i.e) Logan must approve of the sale. Or it could be how his trust is set up. With Logan a gift is never really a gift, there are always strings. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

32 minutes ago, John M said:

I dunno, it just feels like something Kieran would do as a lark if he had plausible deniability that it was really him. I mean they needed a properly cleared and licensed dick pic.

Ok, so according to your theory we would not be the people to ask then, because we wouldn't know.  I am team zero chance on this though.  I've read a lot about Kieran disliking fame because of what happened to his brother.  Why would he choose to be more exposed?

They even used fake urine for the bathroom/phone scene.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Carolina Girl]

In the opening credits, I've often wondered if that was supposed to be Caroline on the chaise lounge and later having a discussion with "Logan" at a distance.  But the ages of the four kids in the opening are off.  Two of the boys and the girl ostensibly could pass for Shiv, Ken and Roman (although they all appear to be closer in age)  - but there is no way the oldest boy could be Connor.  He's at the very least 15 years older than Ken, I think.  Although the glimpses of the "older" kids in the credits certainly seem to indicate it's supposed to be them.   

Edited December 7, 2021 by Carolina Girl
Repeating myself is never a good sign.

[apollonia666]

Right after the dick pic misfire, there are a few seconds we miss after Logan and Shiv leave the meeting, then we see them walking into another room just as Shiv is saying, "Yeah, that's his dick..."  My first thought was "Did he just ask his daughter to identify her brother's penis? AND SHE DID?" I know it's unlikely that was the intent of the scene cut, but I think that thought was supposed to occur to us because this family is so twisted. 

[John M]

2 hours ago, dmc said:

🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🙄 I too, wondered why men are doing this? It’s baffling behavior.  
 

I did have a lol, that Gerri said good job and this was Roman’s response 

 

Because men, straight and gay love dick pics and can't get it through their heads that women do not appreciate to the almost universal extent that men do.

[Lassus]

1 hour ago, apollonia666 said:

as Shiv is saying, "Yeah, that's his dick..."  My first thought was "Did he just ask his daughter to identify her brother's penis? AND SHE DID?" I know it's unlikely that was the intent of the scene cut, but I think that thought was supposed to occur to us because this family is so twisted. 

In fairness, the chance that Roman in the past 15-20 years didn't dick pic one (if not many) of Shiv's female friends who then showed or forwarded it to Shiv out of anger and/or mockery is quite literally zero.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Lassus

[aghst]

4 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

So not Jack Dorsey is sleeping on a crap camp bed waiting for a connection to obtain the $100K Savoir bed set?  Dude, whatever.  Plunk down the $5K for a good TempurPedic in the interim.  You can always put it in a guest room when Doogie Hauser's dream bed from "Gone Girl" arrives.  

I've heard that Lukas may be based on the founder of Spotify.

$100k bed?  Yikes.

[dmc]

36 minutes ago, John M said:

Because men, straight and gay love dick pics and can't get it through their heads that women do not appreciate to the almost universal extent that men do.

This is completely new information to me.  I didn’t know this.  I guess it makes sense though. 

[aghst]

34 minutes ago, John M said:

Because men, straight and gay love dick pics and can't get it through their heads that women do not appreciate to the almost universal extent that men do.

They must be getting some positive feedback.

Or maybe women need to come up with better ways to express that those dick picks are not appreciated.

Like emasculate the senders -- "you call that a dick?" or "your balls must be huge for you to send that out" -- make it clear that their dicks are not all that.

[dmc]

2 minutes ago, aghst said:

They must be getting some positive feedback.

Or maybe women need to come up with better ways to express that those dick picks are not appreciated.

Like emasculate the senders -- "you call that a dick?" or "your balls must be huge for you to send that out" -- make it clear that their dicks are not all that.

There are entire sites devoted to women doing this and it doesn’t work. Men just keep sending them like Roman 
 

 

[Blakeston]

Roman sends dick pics because he gets off on the shock value, and because he derives sexual pleasure from being seen as a creepy, inappropriate little perv.

When Kendall unveiled that insulting newspaper cover about Roman jerking off, Roman said that he liked it because it meant that the guests at the party were picturing him jerking off.

It's a mix of wanting to be predatory and be degraded at the same time, and it's typical of sex offenders like flashers, and guys who jack off on subways, buses, etc.

[John M]

What I find really interesting is this assumption everywhere of what HBO/Writers would or would not do as far as Kendall dying on the show.

Jeremy Strong is not obligated to stay on the show, he will definitely find other work, they very much might have not had a choice.

[Francie]

34 minutes ago, aghst said:

They must be getting some positive feedback.

Or maybe women need to come up with better ways to express that those dick picks are not appreciated.

Like emasculate the senders -- "you call that a dick?" or "your balls must be huge for you to send that out" -- make it clear that their dicks are not all that.

Yes, because it's definitely women's fault for men sending them unsolicited dick pics. 

Changing topics, perhaps the biggest thing that bothered me about this episode? That Kendall had a bottle in the pool. It's poolside hangout rule no. 1: no glassware. 

[sistermagpie]

3 hours ago, John M said:

I dunno, it just feels like something Kieran would do as a lark if he had plausible deniability that it was really him. I mean they needed a properly cleared and licensed dick pic.

Why? You don't need to snap a photo of someone's actual body to get the prop they needed. Does Kieran Culkin have similar mix of predatory and wishing to be degraded impulses? Because insisting that your co-workers have an actual picture of your dick to work with is not a lark, it's...SENDING YOUR CO-WORKERS A DICK PIC!

33 minutes ago, John M said:

What I find really interesting is this assumption everywhere of what HBO/Writers would or would not do as far as Kendall dying on the show.

 

Personally, I don't think it adds anything to the story to kill him..

[Lady S.]

13 hours ago, Blakeston said:

And of course, of Kendall's children, Logan chose the one with special needs to be his guinea pig. What an irredeemable pig.

And of course Logan asks if he's "gotten better" from the (implied) autism yet.

9 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

That's right - I also assumed the woman was their nanny, and thank god they travel with one because that was the first thing I thought when all the stuff was going down at Shiv's wedding. I can't remember if Rava was there or not.

Rava was there for Shiv's. I doubt the kids even have any visits with Kendall without Mom or nanny, even when he's not taking them overseas.

6 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

As much as I despise Logan, I was with him on the dink pic. Its disgusting. 

Logan wasn't disgusted by the unsolicited dick pic as much as who the intended recipient was. That's why he initially tried to brush it off with Shiv until she convinced him Roman's interest in Gerri is genuine. If he'd been sexually harassing a woman his own age or younger Logan would probably just be annoyed that he had to see it. As it is, it's Gerri's age that makes Roman a "sicko" and I do think that damaged what respect Logan had for him regardless of the success of the attempted deal. Think about how Logan accused Kendall of being "queer" and trying to fuck the waiter as if that would be worse than the guy's actual death. 

28 minutes ago, John M said:

Jeremy Strong is not obligated to stay on the show, he will definitely find other work, they very much might have not had a choice.

You don't think the lead actor has a contract? Tptb could buy him out if they really wanted rid of him but that still makes it their final call, not his. And as great as his performance is, I think this extreme method actor needs this role more than any production needs him.

1 hour ago, Lassus said:

In fairness, the chance that Roman in the past 15-20 years didn't dink pic one (if not many) of Shiv's female friends who then showed or forwarded it to Shiv out of anger and/or mockery is quite literally zero.

Hell, she's probably seen it it in person. Those two have zero boundaries and I think that's a dynamic that comes from Roman's side. 

Naomi did ask Kendall for a dick pic last season, though, right? So at least one woman in this social set wants that.

[Adgirl]

19 hours ago, Lassus said:

Logan doesn't know this about his son generally or specifically?  Give me a break.

He knows but I think he was trying to assess whether Roman is a just a court jester or a fuckabout. Bad sexist humor is fine...being unserious is unforgivable in business

I liked Logan asking his grandson to taste his food while looking right at Kendall. It's a callback to Logan telling Kendall he couldn't be The One because he wasn't a killer. Logan wanted Kendall to see just how much of a killer he is. I like that Logan doesn't try to make himself out as misunderstood. He's an asshole and okay with it. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Adgirl

[John M]

17 minutes ago, Francie said:

Yes, because it's definitely women's fault for men sending them unsolicited dick pics. 

Changing topics, perhaps the biggest thing that bothered me about this episode? That Kendall had a bottle in the pool. It's poolside hangout rule no. 1: no glassware. 

It's poolside hangout rule no.1  because if it breaks in the pool, the pool has to be drained, cleaned and refilled, which is extremely expensive and time consuming. I doubt Kendall, particularly a very drunk Kendall, gives many f-s about that prospect.

[John M]

3 minutes ago, Adgirl said:

I liked Logan asking his grandson to taste his food while look right at Kendall. It's a callback to Logan telling Kendall he couldn't be The One because he wasn't a killer. Logan wanted Kendall to see just how much of a killer he is. I like that Logan doesn't try to make himself out as misunderstood. He's an asshole and okay with it. 

I don't think that was the point, it wasn't about if the food was poisoned or not poisoned, it was making the point that if it was, he would offer up his own grandchild, still a young child, as victim before himself.

[laprin]

6 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Each episode I loathe this family more than the last episode. They're all awful. Logan is an evil, sadistic SOB. The kids have no empathy and play headgames with each other, their spouses and significant others. They are all incapable of giving or receiving love. They are bereft of compassion or any kind of humanly care or concern. Totally driven by power and greed. Great job Mom and Dad!

YES! Roman seems like the clueless loser with women who would resort to such a thing. 

I think all the Roy siblings, except Shiv, have at least the capacity to love and care for another person. Shiv is heartless. 

[Pete Martell]

As I didn't see a character thread for Tom, I'll just say it here...

I had seen some of Matthew Macfadyen's work (Pride & Prejudice), but was not very familiar with him outside of that film.  I'm still not that familiar, but he's absolutely blown me away on here, even with one of the most stacked casts any TV show has ever had. He is just so brilliant at playing so many emotions at once,  even with little to no dialogue. That he also leans into the absurd comic moments just gives a deeper shading for a very unstable character. He and Sarah Snook were impossibly good in the very ugly  scene they had in this episode - it was elite tier and connected with me in a way I was not even entirely comfortable with, particularly the part where Tom became so shaken up by what she was saying,  his face fell, and all he could muster was a hurt, desperate, angry, "Fuck you." 

Tom is not a nice man, this is not a show with nice people,  so I try hard not to woobify him,. Still even as I know he treated various characters poorly, and will do so again, the weight of the character's torment at times this season has been, as a viewer, just about unbearable. I think it's because there just does not seem to be any way out - the feeling has gotten so strong that, with Kendall's possible death feeling a bit too obvious for me, I wonder if Tom will even make it out of the finale alive. 

It's been a privilege to watch Macfadyen's work this season. It is some of the best acting I have seen anywhere, in my entire life. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Pete Martell

[aghst]

1 hour ago, John M said:

I don't think that was the point, it wasn't about if the food was poisoned or not poisoned, it was making the point that if it was, he would offer up his own grandchild, still a young child, as victim before himself.

Presumably if it was poisoned, Kendall would have stopped the kid from eating the food.

[Ms Blue Jay]

5 hours ago, apollonia666 said:

Right after the dick pic misfire, there are a few seconds we miss after Logan and Shiv leave the meeting, then we see them walking into another room just as Shiv is saying, "Yeah, that's his dick..."  My first thought was "Did he just ask his daughter to identify her brother's penis? AND SHE DID?" I know it's unlikely that was the intent of the scene cut, but I think that thought was supposed to occur to us because this family is so twisted. 

The message was from Roman to Gerri and it was a picture of a dick.  Why would Roman send a picture of someone else's dick to Gerri?  That's even weirder, LOL.  Shiv does not have to know what Roman's dick looks like to confirm what a dick pic is to her 80 year old father.

[John M]

1 hour ago, aghst said:

Presumably if it was poisoned, Kendall would have stopped the kid from eating the food.

Would he though? Again, I think that is the point.

[BC4ME]

7 hours ago, aghst said:

Presumably if it was poisoned, Kendall would have stopped the kid from eating the food.

I thought it was Logan's counter to Kendall telling the waiter that one of two plates that looked exactly the same should go to Logan. That raises suspicion that one is poisoned. Logan then one upped Kendall by having his own son taste it in front of Kendall to show he wasn't playing that game. It was a well-played scene where Kendall tried to get the upper hand and Logan smashed him down. It started the meeting on Logan's terms not Kendall's and it went downhill for Kendall from there.

WRT dick pics and why guys send them despite the fact that almost all women hate them. It's like an extreme form of catcalling. When does that ever work? Yet men continue to do it. 

[Zaffy]

Best thing in this episode was the amazing locations.
Worst thing that almost none of these rich ars***** seemed to even care about the locations.

Without the locations it would be another repetitive episode.
I think I am "suffering" from Succession fatigue. 

[dmc]

“Kendall floats away: The big question of course is… did Ken die? Was he testing out his father’s theory of how long it took “the boy” to drown? One thing I know is that HBO is not sending screeners for the finale so anything we read is just speculation. As Lainey said to me last night, if anyone can do it (kill off a lead character), it’s showrunner Jesse Armstrong. Kendall has backed himself into a corner and there are only so many times he can betray his father and go back. If he is out of the company, he is out of the family (he would be even less valuable to them than Connor, who is powerless but also mildly liked). This ending makes sense for Kendall as it’s what they’ve been building towards all series. The New Yorker profile with Jeremy Strong, which dropped on Sunday, also makes a lot of sense in context. J. Cameron Smith said that the finale was devastating.”

 

https://www.laineygossip.com/succession-season-3-episode-8-under-the-tuscan-sun/69934
 

referencing this article 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/13/on-succession-jeremy-strong-doesnt-get-the-joke

 

A lot of death speculation…here but how would they all be attending the wedding 

Is the pool isolated enough for him not to be found?

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by dmc

[rhygirl720]

whew... 

The Roy kids are seriously damaged.

Distant cold mother. Father who is constantly playing chess with everyone at all times about everything, it's a miracle they are all still alive.

Roman to me is the most savvy and self-aware, however he can't seem to get out of his own way. With every triumph he self-destructs. He at least knows he is messed up.

Conor/Willa just say yes. Get a great pre-nup and be set for life. Kudos to whoever said the healthiest relationship on the show, pathetic that this is the case.

Shiv is the worst to me. Her hubris is astounding. I'm sure being the only female gave her an elevated sense of entitlement, if that's even possible. Her scene with Tom was chilling. So, she married a man she doesn't love who she believes is only with her for her connections and money, what does that say about her...nothing good. Cold and calculating but not nearly as smart as she thinks she is. my money is on Geri.

Ken, it just hit me this episode, but I think he suffers from a mood disorder, bi-polar, and has been self-medicating his whole life. My take is he passed out and will not die but might be spending time in a Swiss clinic getting healthy. His behavior never made sense to me until I viewed through that lens. If he does get healthy, he will be a match for Logan I believe.

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by rhygirl720

[SG429]

12 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

Why? You don't need to snap a photo of someone's actual body to get the prop they needed. Does Kieran Culkin have similar mix of predatory and wishing to be degraded impulses? Because insisting that your co-workers have an actual picture of your dick to work with is not a lark, it's...SENDING YOUR CO-WORKERS A DICK PIC!

It is entirely possible that no one on set was actually looking at any dick pic at all. The actual image may easily be added post-production. Acting!

[aghst]

So they write Kendall off the show because he's moody and so Method that the other cast members find him weird?

It's interesting though that he wanted to play Roman initially and had to talk Jesse Armstrong into auditioning for Kendall.

Whatever the original plan, Kendall has been a key character.  It would be weird if it came down to Roman vs. Shiv.  The dynamics would be way off.