S02.E09: The Christmas Episode

[WendyCR72]

Yeah, the title sort of surprised me, too, because I barely recall the franchise as a whole recognizing the holidays! No more new episodes for November; this will air on December 9, 2021.

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[illdoc]

Info on the episode: https://tvline.com/2021/11/23/law-and-order-organized-crime-christmas-episode-season-2-stabler-benson/ Warning: The episode will be a "Stabler family crisis"

Edited November 23, 2021 by illdoc

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, illdoc said:

Info on the episode: https://tvline.com/2021/11/23/law-and-order-organized-crime-christmas-episode-season-2-stabler-benson/ Warning: The episode will be a "Stabler family crisis"

Of course it will! Because if a character's relative is involved in a holiday (hi, Frances Goren on CI during Thanksgiving!), all hell will usually break loose. Franchise law.

[CrystalBlue]

3 hours ago, illdoc said:

Info on the episode: https://tvline.com/2021/11/23/law-and-order-organized-crime-christmas-episode-season-2-stabler-benson/ Warning: The episode will be a "Stabler family crisis"

Oy vey.

[TooMuchRealityTV]

From the article:

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“I’ll just say: I hope we don’t ruin Christmas for you for all time.”

I don't know what is worse, an hour of Wheatly on SVU or following that up with a full hour of Stabler family drama. The last thing OC needs is another Stabler with a problem that can't be solved in 60 minutes.

[Xeliou66]

God almighty I’m dreading this - 2 hours of a Stabler soap opera with St Olivia included. And why the Christmas tie in? I always hate when shows do Christmas episodes, they are so cheesy and forced, and fortunately the L&O franchise has never done one until now. I really don’t know why I’m going to torture myself by watching this.

[WendyCR72]

On 11/23/2021 at 3:54 PM, illdoc said:

Info on the episode: https://tvline.com/2021/11/23/law-and-order-organized-crime-christmas-episode-season-2-stabler-benson/ Warning: The episode will be a "Stabler family crisis"

Sigh.

[Xeliou66]

THAT. WAS. CRAP. An hour of soapy Stabler family drama plus they are continuing the fucking Wheatley arc, blah. I don’t care about Eli being the latest Stabler kid to have issues, I don’t give a shit about the Benson/Stabler relationship, and I’m beyond sick of the entire Wheatley storyline. While I enjoyed the first 8 episodes of the season focusing on the Albanian mob, it looks like this show is now going down the drain. 

[WendyCR72]

"Merry Christmas, Viewers! Come and be miserable with us!"

Yuck. In all honesty, I didn't make the entire hour. As literally nothing else was on, I threw on Peacock. Between the family dysfunction and Wheatley still being an albatross, this was...not good.

And that's not even taking the UGH! factor with Stabler/Benson into account.

Speaking of which, as much as he deserves better, if we are to always have the E/O idiocy, can we ship Meloni/Hargitay off to do Hallmark flicks so those that enjoy the schmaltz can have it, and give OC a new detective lead without the baggage? (I know. It will never happen.)

[Raja]

So after the SVU episode, why was SVU prosecutor handling the straight murder trail anyway? We get a kid who sneaks out of the house and the jail house mastermind somehow has  a prostitute standby for that night to be in his path and then  kills his prostitute her in the working room to frame the kid for murder.

And then the DA decides to drop the case. While the SVU reminded me of the second half of the original format where New York state didn't always win I am glad Jack McCoy was not drafted into this mess to drop the case here in an effort to blast off the classic Law & Order continuation. 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Raja

[Zaffy]

Could someone please explain to me what is the plan in Angela's mind??
She wanted to frame her ex-hubby? Hurt Stabler? Both?

That wasn't a good episode. The most stupid thing was having Benson running behind Stabler during the whole thing.
Although....I... confess..... I liked their little chat while they were waiting for the Doctor, it was the most refreshing thing in the episode and I loved Meloni's acting.

Ok, I do not mind a Benson - Stabler relationship. As long as they do it ASAP. Like next episode ASAP.
It is SO  tiring exhausting seeing those two dancing around their feelings for so many years. It not funny (never was) or interesting (never was) anymore. I mean ok, maybe do it for a half a season or so, but it has been 23 frakking  years, those two love each other and they are now middle aged adults that they SHOULD know what the hell they want from their lives and each others.
So PLEASE whatever the writers have decided, do it already and stop dragging it. It is not nice (never was).
 

[StaceyNotStacie]

That was interesting. I’m guessing that Elliot is the stereotypical widower that can’t be alone for more than a few months before jumping into another relationship. I missed most of the first season outside of the first two episodes, so is this the first time they’ve acknowledged that he has grandchildren?

If I didn’t know any better, I would have thought that they were a married couple based on the scenes in the car at the beginning of the episode. I hope they don’t turn this into a “will they or won’t they” for the entirety of the series. It’s getting old really fast. 
 

I hope they give Eli a break, story wise, or at least a haircut. Hopefully the character will soon go to college far away or join the military or backpack through Europe so that he will be off screen for a while. 

[TooMuchRealityTV]

This episode was disappointing. The Albanian Mob arc was so entertaining I guess I forgot Stabler's family bullshit could really reduce this show to a soap opera if they give it too much screen time. And they gave his family entirely too much time this episode. If this show would stick to 7-8 episode arcs featuring different crime organizations it would be really good. I hope they don't let Stabler's family, Liv and the writer's obsession with Wheatley make this show unwatchable.

My TV reception started to go out at the end of the episode, during the Christmas Celebration. I assume instead of Liv the Stabler's got notice of the DA's decision on not retrying Wheatley.

[michelec]

Definitely not one of my favorite episodes thus far. I don't mind the Wheatleys so much, but all the family drama and Bensler...sigh. And the kicker was Eli's storyline being wrapped up in a nice little Christmas bow halfway through the episode. So it was like what was the point?

The only highlight for me was the reveal about Angela. I always thought she was the brains of the operation, so I can't wait to watch the havoc she causes.

And I see the next episode is yet another crossover with SVU. Please make it stop.

Edited December 10, 2021 by michelec

[milkyaqua]

Just going to echo what others have said.  What a waste of an epi and as someone who has no interest in the will they/won't they dance between Eliot and Olivia, I wish TPTB would drop it but that's probably not going to happen.  I didn't mind the conversation Liv and Eliot had while waiting to see Eli but I did think as usual with this show the timing was off.  And yes, TOO.MUCH.STABLER.FAMILY.DRAMA.  Enough show!

The Eli thing, that made no sense.  So Angela or Richard or both has someone following Eli or all of Eliot's family?  So they can find someone way to screw them over to screw Stabler over in the process?  What the heck was that?  That has to be the most random set of coincidences ever with Eli meeting a quasi-hooker and then going back to her place.  Also, Richard just gives up his daughter?  The daughter who's the smart one (according to him) and loyal?  Angela being more well than she's let on was not a surprise but what the heck?  At this point she has one child left so why the games with Stabler?  I'm more than ready for the Wheatley arc to be over.

Of course Bell got the short end of the stick with having to tell Eliot that Richard was now free.

[Zoe]

9 hours ago, Raja said:

So after the SVU episode, why was SVU prosecutor handling the straight murder trail anyway?

He started working with Homicide in the previous episode.

[tennisgurl]

Wheatley being let go is giving us a narrative lump of coal in our stockings. What a crap fest, a whole episode of nothing but supervillain Wheatley, Liv/Elliot pandering, and boring Stabler family drama. Do his kids know how to make poor life choices or what? So Wheatley was just following the Stablers around waiting for the chance to mess with them by paying random people to do things? Not that its hard to catch a Stabler in a compromising situation, but that seems really convoluted. What a boring episode, with even a hilariously generic and boring name. Its literally just called "The Christmas episode?" You really went for that first draft place holder name? 

The only interesting thing to come out of this is the possibly of Angela being the true brains of the operation, which was implied a bunch of times but they seemed to pull back on, but it now looks like she could be the real Big Bad. And the guy playing the cop who talked Eli out of jumping was good in his few scenes, he really sold him on this guy who was kind of freaking out about suddenly talking down a suicidal person but who was staying strong. He had a very kind and caring quality to him.

Edited December 11, 2021 by tennisgurl

[Broderbits]

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

And the guy playing the cop who talked Eli out of jumping was good in his few scenes

He WAS good, maybe he should be promoted to the SVU squad since he's very empathetic.

I can't believe Eliot and the other cop fell for Angela's act; she really overdid it. I'm hoping they planted a bug while snooping around.

[AD35]

3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

And the guy playing the cop who talked Eli out of jumping was good in his few scenes, he really sold him on this guy who was kind of freaking out about suddenly talking down a suicidal person but who was staying strong

That scene and the episode title was seriously giving me It's A Wonderful Life vibes.

[WendyCR72]

3 minutes ago, AD35 said:

That scene and the episode title was seriously giving me It's A Wonderful Life vibes.

Well, George Bailey's own immediate family (i.e. Uncle Billy) was as draining as the Stablers, so I can sort of see a resemblance...

[catrice2]

I am one of the BIGGEST Law and Order fans.  I pretty much left SVU when Stabler did other than odd episodes, and I was over the moon at the thought of this show. 

I can't with family drama and the constant SVU tie ends. I didn't mind the Wheatley story in small doses, but it is a new season.  I actually stopped watching during the mob episodes and just read the board, but after watching a part of last night, I think this may be the second L&O I give up on.  I have been there through L&O LA, Trial by Jury and L&O UK.  I think they gave up on LA too soon, but at ti point they should have just added Stabler to SVU.....

[WendyCR72]

4 minutes ago, catrice2 said:

I am one of the BIGGEST Law and Order fans.  I pretty much left SVU when Stabler did other than odd episodes, and I was over the moon at the thought of this show. 

I can't with family drama and the constant SVU tie ends. I didn't mind the Wheatley story in small doses, but it is a new season.  I actually stopped watching during the mob episodes and just read the board, but after watching a part of last night, I think this may be the second L&O I give up on.  I have been there through L&O LA, Trial by Jury and L&O UK.  I think they gave up on LA too soon, but at ti point they should have just added Stabler to SVU.....

I'm still watching (and modding, duh!), but this show STILL does not "feel" like a franchise show, to me. If I want a L&O fix, I can just watch Mothership (and am excited/scared for its revival!) and/or Criminal Intent repeats to really scratch the franchise itch.

I think Trial By Jury with Bebe Neuwirth ended too soon, myself.

[TM101]

Meh I actually enjoyed this crossover compared to others here and honestly don’t mind the Liv and Stabler drama. I thought it would be draining and boring to go back to the Wheatley plot but it was rather entertaining. Are we suppose to believe now that Angela has been pulling the strings all along? I do miss the Albanian plot, though, and hope this gets renewed for a third season and they do something similar along that route. 

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, TM101 said:

Meh I actually enjoyed this crossover compared to others here and honestly don’t mind the Liv and Stabler drama. I thought it would be draining and boring to go back to the Wheatley plot but it was rather entertaining. Are we suppose to believe now that Angela has been pulling the strings all along? I do miss the Albanian plot, though, and hope this gets renewed for a third season and they do something similar along that route. 

I don't believe there is any doubt that OC will be renewed. The final numbers are not out, so it can change, but the preliminary ratings had OC beating SVU last night.

[CheshireCat]

I haven't watched this episode yet and I'm kind of torn on whether I want to. I like the OC characters but I absolutely hate supervillains. It always seems that a supervillain allows TPTB to just do whatever they want and I don't know why but this irritates me to no end. Probably because rationality goes out the window.

Maybe I'll wait until there are a few more episodes next year and I have an idea of where this is going.

[CrystalBlue]

Just like the Wheatley trial being declared a hung jury after just one day of deliberations not being realistic to me, I don't get why no retrial because now the DA thinks the case against Wheatley is weak.

The Angela revelation was the best part.

[The Wild Sow]

6 hours ago, CheshireCat said:

I like the OC characters but I absolutely hate supervillains. It always seems that a supervillain allows TPTB to just do whatever they want and I don't know why but this irritates me to no end. Probably because rationality goes out the window.

Ugh, thanks!  Richard Lewis, Nicole Wallace, that predatory lawyer that was on SVU a season or 2 ago (Miller?) - Olivia even made a statement something like, “We’ll get him. He’s just a man - he’s not a supervillain!”  Al-righty then, Liv, if you say so!

The other eyes-glaze-over moment for me is when anyone brings up “they paid in cryptocurrency...”.   Bitcoins, doge-coins, crypto-whatever, proprietary magical money...I mean, what the heck IS that??

[MarylandGirl]

This episode felt about 3 hours long! When they released Eli, I figured was the end of the episode, then realized there was still a half-hour left. Then at another point, I thought, "OK, it's over now," but there was still another 15 minutes! I miss the Albanians...

And agreed that the Angela reveal was the best part. She honestly had me fooled.

[preeya]

5 hours ago, MarylandGirl said:

And agreed that the Angela reveal was the best part. She honestly had me fooled.

I agree, but still can't figure out her motive. Any thoughts, anyone??

[SuzieQ]

Looks like I'm the only one who likes the Wheatley storyline, but I hope this is the end.  I enjoyed it, but it's just going on too long!  Love Dylan McDernott, but he's such a cartoon like villain and they've really worn it out.  Afraid that since the Angela reveal that this will go on and on....................

[Sake614]

What was with Liv talking about Ed ‘dying’ like they were still together at the time? He didn’t just die, he blew his brains out because he had terminal cancer. And he’d already married another woman, although he didn’t tell her about his diagnosis.

and way to leave out Cassidy, Harry Connick Jr. and whoever the hell else she got involved with over the years. Didn’t she and Cassidy live together for a while? They were certainly serious until it became apparent that she had baby rabies and he had no interest in having children.

I liked her and Ed together but they broke up because he was ready to retire and she wasn’t.  Too bad because had she moved to Florida with him (or wherever he wanted to go) we might’ve been spared all these extra years of St. Olivia. 
 

and I know I’ve said this before, but for the love of all that’s holy can they PLEASE do something with MH’s hair??? Cut it about 4 inches. Blow it out. Something, ANYTHING to get rid of that greasy, stringy mess on her head. She’s the star of the damn show. Why does she look perpetually frumpy?

[Irate Panda]

Not to be rude but I’m mad they didn’t blow up Elliot’s whole family (ok I guess maybe that’s a little rude).  I don’t give a damn about Elliot’s kids or his mama.  This episode was awful, I don’t mind Wheatley although he’s a ham with an extra side of HAM.  I don’t even mind the forced tension of St. Olivia and Elliot, but I can only deal with it if Grandma Stabler takes all the kids including Noah and moves away.  
 

I don’t understand why nobody asked Richie what he was looking at when he was testifying and while it was good to see Barba even he couldn’t save this episode.  I’m surprised Olivia didn’t barge into crime scene of the dead girl and take over the investigation.  It doesn’t matter it’s a different state, St. Olivia has jurisdiction over everything.

[CheshireCat]

2 hours ago, SuzieQ said:

Looks like I'm the only one who likes the Wheatley storyline, but I hope this is the end.  I enjoyed it, but it's just going on too long!  Love Dylan McDernott, but he's such a cartoon like villain and they've really worn it out. 

This is the problem for me. I like the Wheatley character in general and I enjoyed the story in S1 but TV has a tendency to - as you say - wear out their villains and make them into supervillains that can do whatever they want and they get away with everything.

I wouldn't mind if Wheatley had gotten released and was now rebuilding his empire and they'd revisit it in a season or two and/or spent an occasional episode trying to figure out how to get him until then since he already killed one undercover officer and it would be very hard to infiltrate his organization again. Now even more so than before.

But it looks like this will go the personal route/revenge route and I just don't think an organized crime boss would waste energy on that. He'd hire a contract killer and take care of someone and not play mind games. But it's when they start with the mind games that villains suddenly become untouchable; they get personal and the characters get provoked and go rogue and no matter what, the villain can't be touched until it's convenient for the show and I find that incredibly frustrating mostly because shows tend to do whatever they want in those cases. It becomes about the characters personally and not about character growth (that usually also goes out the window which I also find frustrating) or the crime and catching the criminal.

But maybe they will surprise me?! Never say never, right?

[Diana Berry]

4 hours ago, Sake614 said:

What was with Liv talking about Ed ‘dying’ like they were still together at the time? He didn’t just die, he blew his brains out because he had terminal cancer. And he’d already married another woman, although he didn’t tell her about his diagnosis.

and way to leave out Cassidy, Harry Connick Jr. and whoever the hell else she got involved with over the years. Didn’t she and Cassidy live together for a while? They were certainly serious until it became apparent that she had baby rabies and he had no interest in having children.

I liked her and Ed together but they broke up because he was ready to retire and she wasn’t.  Too bad because had she moved to Florida with him (or wherever he wanted to go) we might’ve been spared all these extra years of St. Olivia. 
 

and I know I’ve said this before, but for the love of all that’s holy can they PLEASE do something with MH’s hair??? Cut it about 4 inches. Blow it out. Something, ANYTHING to get rid of that greasy, stringy mess on her head. She’s the star of the damn show. Why does she look perpetually frumpy?

I was actually going to comment about MH  hair ( Eli’s hair is a whole other matter with a life of its own).  Been watching the repeats in syndication.  Please let her go back to the chin length or shoulder length bob of a few years ago.

[CrystalBlue]

Another thing I don't understand is that on SVU Olivia tells Elliot she doesn't trust him, an hour later on OC she's tooling around NY and NJ looking for Eli with Elliot.  She inserts herself into the Stabler kids' lives when they clearly don't want her there.  This dance E & O are doing is as messed up as MH's hair.

[WendyCR72]

57 minutes ago, CrystalBlue said:

Another thing I don't understand is that on SVU Olivia tells Elliot she doesn't trust him, an hour later on OC she's tooling around NY and NJ looking for Eli with Elliot.  She inserts herself into the Stabler kids' lives when they clearly don't want her there.  This dance E & O are doing is as messed up as MH's hair.

And in this case, I must side with Elliot's kids. Their mother is not cold in her grave, and here comes their father's former partner, inserting herself into family drama that has nothing to do with her whatsoever.

Just send her home and let her parent her own kid.

[faithie]

I am among those who hate the Stabler family and the Benson/Stabler relationship.

Yet I think somebody in the writer's room has some self-awareness.  It was awesome when Eli was at the police station, glared at St.Olivia and asked "what are you doing here?"

And to echo a previous commenter, who was watching Noah while St.Olivia was chasing down Eli?

Everytime the whole Stabler family gets together, I hope Linda Blair walks in and spews green vomit all over them.

[Sake614]

Eli clearly wants no part of Olivia but wasn’t it Kathleen who hugged her at the cemetery and thanked her for coming? I don’t understand why Olivia is involved with Elliot’s family in the first place. There was no love lost between her and Kathy. At least not on Kathy’s side. She tolerated Olivia, even asked for help getting Elliot to sign the divorce papers. But she certainly didn’t LIKE Olivia. I always felt that Kathy believed Olivia was her competition.

[KBrownie]

Olivia didn't insert herself into anything with Elliot or his kids this episode.  

As was already mentioned, it was implied that she was invited to the graveside thing.  Kathleen at least has sought her out before for help with their father.  None of them seemed to have a problem when they knew that it was Olivia and Noah who were supposed to be the ones showing up at the family dinner at the end.

Elliot is the one who called her to help when they first found out where Eli was when he called after going missing.  That was established in the car ride to pick him up wasn't it? She wouldn't have known anything about it if Elliot hadn't brought her into it. 

When Elliot was first going in to see Eli at the police station, she was prepared to wait outside until he was done.  Again, Elliot was the one who asked her to come in with him.  She didn't insert herself into anything in this episode.  I don't really think she has ever.  

I thought Eli's reaction to seeing Olivia was more about him thinking he was getting arrested or something for the murder of that girl.  That he knew his Dad couldn't do it, so he brought in his friend.  Eli wouldn't be thinking about how it wasn't even their jurisdiction or anything like that. 

If Kathy ever had a problem with Olivia she should have taken it up with her husband.  Or done something more mature than ghostwriting letters like she was still in high school.  Elliot should have had the courage to deal with his wife's insecurities directly rather than placating her and feeding unnecessary drama by giving Olivia a letter he didn't write or want her to have.  Seems to me like the problems in the Stabler marriage were more on them and their issues than anything Olivia ever supposedly did.

Edited December 12, 2021 by KBrownie
Elliot called her after ELI called him to tell him where he was.

[CrystalBlue]

5 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Eli clearly wants no part of Olivia but wasn’t it Kathleen who hugged her at the cemetery and thanked her for coming? I don’t understand why Olivia is involved with Elliot’s family in the first place. There was no love lost between her and Kathy. At least not on Kathy’s side. She tolerated Olivia, even asked for help getting Elliot to sign the divorce papers. But she certainly didn’t LIKE Olivia. I always felt that Kathy believed Olivia was her competition.

Actually Olivia was Kathy's competition.  Liv was Elliot's "work wife" while they were partners in the SVU.

[CrystalBlue]

14 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

And in this case, I must side with Elliot's kids. Their mother is not cold in her grave, and here comes their father's former partner, inserting herself into family drama that has nothing to do with her whatsoever.

Just send her home and let her parent her own kid.

I did not intend to criticize Elliot's kids as to their feelings toward Olivia.  I agree with your sentiments here.  IMHO Elliot should have looked for Eli on his own and Olivia should have been home, not onscreen, with Noah, again, not onscreen.  Elliot could have been Olivia updated by phone.

[Cristofle]

19 hours ago, KBrownie said:

I thought Eli's reaction to seeing Olivia was more about him thinking he was getting arrested or something for the murder of that girl.  That he knew his Dad couldn't do it, so he brought in his friend.  Eli wouldn't be thinking about how it wasn't even their jurisdiction or anything like that. 

I agree - I don't think this was a personal reaction to Olivia, but a fear of her as a cop (particular a cop who focuses on certain crimes against women) when he thinks he might have murdered someone. Eli was terrified - jurisdiction would have meant nothing nothing to him in that moment. Eli was smiling at the end when he thought Olivia was at the door.

I like Wheatley fine (and love Dylan McDermott) but I feel like the only way this arc will really be meaningful is if Elliot has learned some lessons this time around. Like he can't be obsessive about the case at the expense of his children - Eli in particular is clear he can't handle much more of this. Also, while Wheatley wasn't framed and it was weird Barba thought he was, it would be best if Elliot was more careful now. Constantly crossing lines helps no one but the criminal to have a legitimate way to get off.

Definite highlight of the episode was Angela revealing she was playing everyone. It's a testament to Tamara that a lot of us totally saw that coming and still the reveal felt satisfying. I love Tamara. Still, Angela is one case where I feel like Wheatley might have been closer to telling the truth (about her role in Kathy's death) than she was.

One thing that bugs me about the Wheatley arc is WHY is Wheatley so obsessed with Elliot? Okay, he thought Elliot was the one his father was ratting him out to - why go to all the trouble of framing Elliot for Rafiq's murder and then agree to kill his wife instead of him? I agree with the sentiment above that it seems like a real crime boss would just order a hit on Elliot and be done with it. Why does he put so much effort into things like poking at Oliva about Angela? What is this to him? I feel like they have never answered this question in a meaningful way.

 

[Tachi Rocinante]

As I suspected, and mentioned in an earlier episode thread, Angela is playing the long game.

I think she was trying to frame her husband for killing her dealer son, and had to make it look like he was sending a message by killing a meddling cop's wife.

[judyri]

I wish they would let Olivia age with dignity.  Yes, she needs a serious, adult haircut (shoulder/chin length).  And it's normal to gain a few pounds as you get older, but it looks worse if you wear a winter coat all day long in every setting to try to cover it up.  Just get a good stylist.  She's about the same age as Viola Davis, she could take a few pointers from her.

 

[TotalDrama]

Was it ever confirmed how old Eli is??? I mean, I KNOW he was born in 2008 as that's when SVU Season 9 aired when we see that happen and he SHOULD be about thirteen years old. Key word, SHOULD. The kid they cast look years older and comes off more as a sixteen year old than a thirteen year old. Seeing him sleeping around with some nineteen year old girl in this episode has me like wooooooah. Way too mature of a storyline for him to be tangled up in, What gives here? It's like the whole Noah Benson thing. When we got that new actor playing him, they aged him up by a couple years than what he should have been. Let me find out they did the same to Eli. -_-

Edited December 25, 2021 by TotalDrama

[judyri]

Yeah, they are making eli like a high school senior or college freshman. boring story line, stick with the real reason we are watching.  but i have to admit, have a real soft spot for ellen burstyn, would watch her in a yellow pages ad!

[littlestunicorn]

On 12/25/2021 at 3:19 AM, TotalDrama said:

Was it ever confirmed how old Eli is??? I mean, I KNOW he was born in 2008 as that's when SVU Season 9 aired when we see that happen and he SHOULD be about thirteen years old. Key word, SHOULD. The kid they cast look years older and comes off more as a sixteen year old than a thirteen year old. Seeing him sleeping around with some nineteen year old girl in this episode has me like wooooooah. Way too mature of a storyline for him to be tangled up in, What gives here? It's like the whole Noah Benson thing. When we got that new actor playing him, they aged him up by a couple years than what he should have been. Let me find out they did the same to Eli. -_-

It was never confirmed on the show. I believe Eli was born in Nov. 2007 (at least according to the episode that featured his birth) so he should've just turned 14. The actor that plays Eli said the character is 15. I figured they aged him up a little to be at least a freshman in high school. To me, he comes across as 15/16. I guess by aging him up a little, they can go a little further with the storylines involving Eli. 

[TotalDrama]

3 hours ago, littlestunicorn said:

It was never confirmed on the show. I believe Eli was born in Nov. 2007 (at least according to the episode that featured his birth) so he should've just turned 14. The actor that plays Eli said the character is 15. I figured they aged him up a little to be at least a freshman in high school. To me, he comes across as 15/16. I guess by aging him up a little, they can go a little further with the storylines involving Eli. 

Okay, so that even took place in November 2007? Okay, he should be 14 now and the actor is only 15??? Wow, that's a tall 15 year old. Okay, well at least the actor isn't too far off. I still think they could have gotten some one shorter. But let's see if the writers remember this, which I doubt they will. 

[littlestunicorn]

18 hours ago, TotalDrama said:

Okay, so that even took place in November 2007? Okay, he should be 14 now and the actor is only 15??? Wow, that's a tall 15 year old. Okay, well at least the actor isn't too far off. I still think they could have gotten some one shorter. But let's see if the writers remember this, which I doubt they will. 

Sorry, I should clarify. The actor who plays Eli said Eli is 15. The actor turned 18 a few months ago. And I agree, I don’t think the writers will remember any of this even if it canon with fans. 

[TotalDrama]

1 hour ago, littlestunicorn said:

Sorry, I should clarify. The actor who plays Eli said Eli is 15. The actor turned 18 a few months ago. And I agree, I don’t think the writers will remember any of this even if it canon with fans. 

I mis-read that. So the actor is 18 and his character is three years younger. How pathetic. These writers really tickle me when they screw up character ages. I can't tweet to the actor now since I'm blocked on Twitter at the moment, but when the week is up I will surely post to him how wrong this all is.