S05.E05: Peer Pressure

[jewel21]

The members of the 118 face an awkward rescue call when they arrive on the scene of a man who has over-exerted himself exercising. The team also must save the life of a groundskeeper whose chainsaw cut into him and race to an explosion at a retirement community. Hen and Eddie, and Buck and Ravi have rocky starts to their new partnerships, and May receives an emergency call from a suicidal teen.

Airdate: 10/18/2021

[anna0852]

I'm not opposed to spending more time in the call center. But can't that mean more Sue and Josh? Claudette the bitch is not what I had in mind.

[Crashcourse]

I just don't understand why the rest of the operators kiss Claudette's ass.   So far, she hasn't shown me why she's so much more special than everyone else. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by Crashcourse

[Maverick]

Michael:  "You hit our son!"

Athena:  *glares*

Me:  "She's about to hit you, too."

[Bulldog]

The scenes with the senior citizens at the retirement home were some of the worst acting I've ever seen on this show.  Did the producers just want to give their grandparents cameos?  No way were those professional actors.  Jeez. 

I know its not PC, but a slap to a mouthy teenager is not something that is going to get my hackles up too much.  Meh.  

I am still enjoying Mae and Harry's scenes together.  And I liked Bobby and Harry's interactions.  

Was there some omitted scenes between Eddie and Hen?  Why did they seem to be barely tolerating one another during the exercise guy rescue?  Felt like I had missed out on something there.  Nice product placement with the Nike shoes, although I wonder if the company really wants to send the message that wearing Nikes could potentially lead you to a hospital stay.  I guess the makers of Mirror wouldn't shell out the product placement bucks (although, again, not sure that's a storyline they want to be associated with).

Mae did seem kind of loss during the chainsaw guy call.  I don't really fault Claudette for intervening.  Could Mae have successfully handled the call?  Probably.  Did Claudette essentially save the man's life?  Absolutely.  While Claudette is clearly getting the villain edit, I have a hard time calling her a bully.   Mae might want to consider that she might actually learn a thing or two from her.   I also don't think Claudette was wrong about not sharing personal info with a 911 caller.  Yes, it worked out this time, but I can definitely imagine more scenarios where it doesn't.  And where's Sue?

Buck "teaching" Probie?  Yawn. 

Wasn't really a fan of this episode overall. 

[stonehaven]

The nursing home scene made me feel old as the old guy that was down in the chapel is a character actor I've seen on tons of shows....he played a murderer on Quantum Leap and a grieving parent on an episode of Law and Order. He's been on others but to see him relegated to retirement home guy just seems sad....sigh...

After the non stop action of the past few episodes, this seemed rather dull...but I'll take it over other shows.

My brain is fuzzy but is Claudette May's boss? If not, that is some serious work place harrassment...

..and Micheal talked to your son about telling Athena, she's a terrible Mom....Step off and be in agreement and help your ex through this, don't throw more shit on her.....

[EllaWycliffe]

1 minute ago, stonehaven said:

My brain is fuzzy but is Claudette May's boss? If not, that is some serious work place harrassment...

Not May's boss. 

I actually don't have a problem with Claudette assisting May with a tough call but May isn't a new hire and if she genuinely felt May wasn't handling it well she should have coached May on what to do or told May to call for assistance... not hook in and take over the call.  And not to be overly bitchy but I work in a call center and how does Claudette have so much walk around time when her job is on the phones? I'd get a thank you and a ITS NOT YOUR JOB TO TAKE HER CALLS lecture

[possibilities]

1 hour ago, Bulldog said:

Was there some omitted scenes between Eddie and Hen?  Why did they seem to be barely tolerating one another during the exercise guy rescue?  Felt like I had missed out on something there

I wondered about that, too. 

I guess Buck and Maddie have the same impulse to flee when they think they've messed up.

[anna0852]

1 hour ago, stonehaven said:

...and Micheal talked to your son about telling Athena, she's a terrible Mom....Step off and be in agreement and help your ex through this, don't throw more shit on her.....

Absolutely not! Athena is a grown ass woman who's been badgering her minor son to open up about a traumatic experience. Harry hit his breaking point and finally blurted out why he's so upset. Athena didn't think to send over officers or warn her family. Michael didn't notice Harry being walked out. These things are true and Harry's a kid who's trying to process everything. If Michael and Athena want to have feelings about that then they do it away from Harry. There is no way in hell that slap was justified. Athena needs therapy yesterday and she should plan to be in it for a long time.

[EllaWycliffe]

9 hours ago, anna0852 said:

There is no way in hell that slap was justified. Athena needs therapy yesterday and she should plan to be in it for a long time.

The slap wasn't justified and I think Athena could use therepy for a variety of reasons, but the slap itself was, forgive me, not the reason this whole family should be in counseling. I'm actually a little surprised considering what happened that they aren't in *family* counseling, as opposed to Henry in counseling and Michael and Athena acting like crazy loons over it. Michael is not being a great parent in springing his wish for Athena to see someone but thats actually very consistent for Michael, who lived in denial for years and lied to Athena and then got upset that she wasn't immediately supportive.

Frankly, considering how close they are, I don't understand why Bobby isn't a part of the therepy discussion. And I tend to agree with Athena that Evil Rapist is working his will from beyond the grave, but I also think they're overplaying Henry being angry with Athena. 

[shapeshifter]

12 hours ago, Bulldog said:

Mae did seem kind of loss during the chainsaw guy call.  I don't really fault Claudette for intervening.  Could Mae have successfully handled the call?  Probably.  Did Claudette essentially save the man's life?  Absolutely.  While Claudette is clearly getting the villain edit, I have a hard time calling her a bully.   Mae might want to consider that she might actually learn a thing or two from her.   I also don't think Claudette was wrong about not sharing personal info with a 911 caller.  Yes, it worked out this time, but I can definitely imagine more scenarios where it doesn't. 

11 hours ago, EllaWycliffe said:

Not May's boss. 

I actually don't have a problem with Claudette assisting May with a tough call but May isn't a new hire and if she genuinely felt May wasn't handling it well she should have coached May on what to do or told May to call for assistance... not hook in and take over the call.  And not to be overly bitchy but I work in a call center and how does Claudette have so much walk around time when her job is on the phones? I'd get a thank you and a ITS NOT YOUR JOB TO TAKE HER CALLS lecture

So Claudette is basically a cartoon character, who I guess is there for May to see as the personification of her old bully nemesis. I hope they get past it within the next 1 or 2 episodes at the most.

 

[Lady Calypso]

10 hours ago, anna0852 said:

Absolutely not! Athena is a grown ass woman who's been badgering her minor son to open up about a traumatic experience. Harry hit his breaking point and finally blurted out why he's so upset. Athena didn't think to send over officers or warn her family. Michael didn't notice Harry being walked out. These things are true and Harry's a kid who's trying to process everything. If Michael and Athena want to have feelings about that then they do it away from Harry. There is no way in hell that slap was justified. Athena needs therapy yesterday and she should plan to be in it for a long time.

I wouldn't agree with the last line about her needing to plan to be in therapy for a long time, BUT she definitely needs therapy because she's still suffering from what Hudson had done, not just with Harry, but with her attack as well. Even though she did go to therapy for a time after the attack, she's still not over it and she still hasn't worked through it. I do think the slap was completely unjustified and she should have never done it, but it definitely was a result of Hudson's manipulation, even from his grave, and she needs to work through all of that, so she SHOULD be in therapy for a while. I'm glad Michael went to Harry's therapist to get recommendations for Athena. I also think Michael would benefit from some therapy too. 

So, Buck's response to Maddie taking off and Chimney going after her is him going Overprotective Mode on the 118, specifically with Probie Ravi. And it also results in Buck trying to transfer because of his guilt. Typical Buck. I'm glad the team shut that transfer down REAL quick. And Taylor showed up to help a little, I guess! But I'm glad Maddie finally called Buck and that he knows where she is. I'm guessing she's in the town of one of their childhood homes (either before Daniel died or after). 

Claudette is such a cartoon bully. She also isn't even May's boss, so her taking over May's call and her stomping all over the dispatch floor as if she's their supervisor is completely inappropriate. The fact that nobody, not even Sue, is shutting it down is ridiculous. May does NOT need to prove herself to this woman, at all. No matter what kind of legend she is, May only needs to prove herself to Sue and her superiors. Claudette, as far as I'm aware, isn't a supervisor. She just acts like she is.

The team being so unfocused with Chimney gone is a choice. I did enjoy Bobby's look when he saw the entire team squabbling at each other during their first case.

[preeya]

27 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Claudette is such a cartoon bully. She also isn't even May's boss, so her taking over May's call and her stomping all over the dispatch floor as if she's their supervisor is completely inappropriate.

If she's so good/great, why did her prior supervisor(s) allow her to leave? Transfers between departments need supervisory approval. Perhaps she's not as good as she's currently viewed or is just a plain and simple troublemaker.

Edited October 19, 2021 by preeya

[marceline]

This whole episode felt off. Like I'd missed scenes somewhere else.

I'm not here for Buck's emotional drama. It's all so co-dependent. That big announcement at the dinner table was beyond pointless. "Ravi's here to replace me" I'm sorry...whut? I like how Bobby said everyone was acting like they forgot the firehouse has a captain. Everything about Buck in this episode worked my nerves.

Harry's headed someplace bad. It's bad enough Jeffrey is in his head but if he's going down the internet rabbit hole I'm wondering if we're looking at a "social media radicalization" story. No matter what, I think it's going to be ugly. It was wrong of Athena to slap Harry but it didn't warrant Michael ambushing her at the therapist. If he wanted to talk out his feelings about Athena hitting Harry, that's fine but then to summon Athena to the office and blindsiding her? Not cool.

I'm still missing the point of Claudette.

1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

I'm guessing she's in the town of one of their childhood homes (either before Daniel died or after). 

I'd completely forgotten about Daniel. I mean...completely.

Edited October 19, 2021 by marceline

[Chaos Theory]

If anything it’s sounds like Harry has Stockholm syndrome.  Maybe not full on but at the moment he is feeling more compassion for the dude who kidnapped him then his own family.     Yeah What he said was essentially true about both his parents but if either of them were thinking clearly they would  see it.   I think Harry is going down a pretty dark road reading all the rabbit hole conspiracy theory logs about his mom and Jeffrey and that could end very badly.  The entire family needs to talk put their feelings and that could be very emotional and ugly but they all need to consent to it and do it in a constructive  and safe way.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Chaos Theory

[Crashcourse]

Claudette didn't like May from the moment she laid eyes on her which was strange, so I'm guessing the reason she doesn't like her is pretty simple:  She's jealous of May being young and pretty.  Not that Claudette is unattractive, but maybe May reminds her of her younger self.  At any rate, Claudette is acting stupid.

I did like May telling Athena not to interfere and confront Claudette because May could handle things herself.  I hope we never see a Claudette/Athena clash because things could get really ugly. 

I'm sick and tired of anguished Buck.   

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, preeya said:

If she's so good/great, why did her prior supervisor(s) allow her to leave? Transfers between departments need supervisory approval. Perhaps she's not as good as she's currently viewed or is just a plain and simple troublemaker.

Not all transfers need supervisory approval.  But even if it did, not all supervisors are jerks.  If I had a great employee who wanted to transfer to a different location because it was a more convenient commute or closer to their child's day care (or whatever reason Claudette wanted to transfer), I'd approve it even if I'd miss having them.

Claudette so far has only been this way with May.  It's possible that everything wrong with her isn't something others see because she doesn't feel like she could have that attitude with them. I've definitely been in departments with "rock stars" who convinced my coworkers they were better than they were.  It can feel a little alienating to see the flaws others don't.

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by Irlandesa

[iMonrey]

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Was there some omitted scenes between Eddie and Hen?  Why did they seem to be barely tolerating one another during the exercise guy rescue?

I think things were just awkward because Hen is used to working with Chim and Eddie was filling in so she was kind of bossing him around.

There's no way in hell the orderly and the old man would have survived an explosion like that! They both should have been incinerated instantly.

Agree the scene with Buck telling everyone he was going to transfer because everything was his fault was just plain dumb. Sometimes Buck comes across like he's a few cards short of a deck.

[EllaWycliffe]

I think a lot of the problem I have with Henry reading conspiracy blogs about his mom is that, aside from shooting off the man's penis, there's not much for people to bitch about. Jeffrey was a rapist. She was the arresting cop who was severely assaulted. The guy escaped during trial, murdered his lawyer, kidnapped her kid and threatened to kill him. Whats the bitch point for a conspiracy?

Buck being a baby and making it all about Buck really needs to stop. That boy is an attention whore.

 

[shapeshifter]

45 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Claudette didn't like May from the moment she laid eyes on her which was strange, so I'm guessing the reason she doesn't like her is pretty simple:  She's jealous of May being young and pretty.  Not that Claudette is unattractive, but maybe May reminds her of her younger self.  At any rate, Claudette is acting stupid.

This👆 too, but also: I wonder if Claudette wishes she herself had gone to college and maybe even graduate school and is trying to make May quit and go back to school?

And/or: Claudette might see herself as mentoring May, whereas May sees Claudette as a bully (because of May's PTSD about bullies). If so, now that Claudette is aware of May's past, they might have a little heart-to-heart talk soon.

Edited October 19, 2021 by shapeshifter

[KatWay]

the writing was so bad for this ep I wonder if the writers for different episodes even talk to each other. Buck thinks everyone blames him based on zero evidence? everyone was acting weird but there was not even a scene that showed how he would have come to that conclusion. Also how many iterations of the "Buck acts out, gets told to get over himself" storyline do we really need? Like give him something else to do already.

also the show remains glaringly inconsistent with regard to what traumatic experiences are taken seriously and which are just glossed over. While I'm in theory all for exploring what that stuff does to a person rather than shrugging it off, I'm already tired of the damn rapist storyline. Why is that still happening. It's been forever by this show's standards of wrapping things up neatly within 2-3 episodes max.

Edited October 19, 2021 by KatWay

[Andyourlittledog2]

I think the slap was very wrong due to when and why it happened. Michael and Athena have been begging Harry to talk to them, to open up, etc and when he finally bursts out with why he is so upset and how he feels so angry that his parents put him a position to be kidnapped by a crazy serial killer and neither parent even noticed he was gone right away he gets slapped for coming out with it. That was a time to let Harry tell them how angry he was and to let him express his very uncomfortable to listen to anger. And instead Athena went all 'you don't talk to your mom like that!' on him and shut him down.  I am not suggesting that Harry being all disrespectful in general should be tolerated at all but this one time he was finally telling them how he really feels about what happened and their role in it and Athena slapped him. That was, IMO, the absolute wrong way to handle it.

As for the out of order Claudette, I do think she is jealous of May, sees her as a timid person who will let her get away with stuff, and so zeroes in on her, as bullies do. When May stood up for herself and pushed back, Claudette stepped aside. I don't think that's the end of it, but Claudette can see that May won't be pushed around so easily so it's game on. Or maybe she just stops. We'll see.

[Crashcourse]

What I really don't like is the dynamic between Bobby and Athena, where he acts afraid to confront her and call her on her shit when needed.  

[Lethallyfab]

Well, of course he’s afraid, he doesn’t want to get slapped!

2 hours ago, KatWay said:

 

the writing was so bad for this ep I wonder if the writers for different episodes even talk to each other

 

Early Glee was famous/infamous on the net for having *extremely different* shows week-to-week based on which writer/creator helmed that week.  I do not think Ryan Murphy is capable of genuine change (and I say that as someone who watches virtually every show he puts out despite my reservations), so it would not surprise me if that is the case here.

I thought that, ostensibly, Hen and Eddie’s feud was due to Buck saying that no one was really talking about Chimmey’s absence therefore everyone was on edge, but that was not communicated in the show well at ALL.

Agreed on everyone saying Athena and the entire family should have been in therapy long before this - a divorce because your husband is gay, a suicide attempt by one of your children, a remarriage, nearly dying at the hands of a serial killer and your son was abducted.  Maybe if Athena had actually processed any of that stuff with a therapist, she wouldn’t feel the need for slapping.

I don’t think Claudette is jealous of May, I think she was probably considered the HBIC at her old job and is threatened by any treatment that she considers insufficiently deferential.
 

[tennisgurl]

I have no idea why Claudette is allowed to do whatever she wants in the call center and treat May like crap while everyone else worships the ground she walks on, she doesn't seem any better at what she does than anyone else. If they wanted to spend more time at the call center while Maddie is gone I would prefer more Josh or Sue, maybe one of them mentoring May a bit, not this grown ass woman acting like a teenage mean girl. I did like May getting to save the suicidal teenager and telling Claudette to back the hell off during her call, it got her some more closure from what she went through as a teenager. 

Buck has made a lot of improvements on himself over the course of the show but he is still a mess a lot of the times. Him blaming himself for all of these things that are clearly not his fault and trying to leave the firehouse because of everything that happened is classic Buck, he is so desperately love starved that at any hint that he might be left behind by the people he loves he just loses it, like his ill advised law suite to try and get his job back. So of course he is spiraling after Maddie and Chim both left, even if he was a huge drama queen about it. I thought that Chim's voicemail to Buck was pretty dickish, he might be mad at Buck but he knows how much Buck cares about him and Maddie and how worried he must be.

At least Harry is alright with talking to May and Bobby because he is clearly not ready to talk to his parents. Athena smacking Harry was way out of line, even if this is really hard for Athena. They want Harry to open up but then react like this when Harry does try to open up because they don't like what they hear. Its a terrible thing to hear, that Harry feels angry at his parents and blames them for what happened, but that is how he feels and he needs to express that, just because its not a nice feeling doesn't mean it isn't valid. The whole family really needs therapy right now before things get worse. 

Of course considering the amount of insanely traumatic things that everyone on this show has happen to them on a regular basis, just about everyone on the show needs therapy. At least Bobby has AA, everyone else needs some professional help stat, starting with Athena and moving to Buck and Maddie and on down the line.

[preeya]

5 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

I hope we never see a Claudette/Athena clash because things could get really ugly. 

BUT, it is likely to happen, especially since Athena already mentioned it to May.

[Crashcourse]

49 minutes ago, Lethallyfab said:

I don’t think Claudette is jealous of May, I think she was probably considered the HBIC at her old job and is threatened by any treatment that she considers insufficiently deferential.

So because May didn't immediately bend the knee and kiss Claudette's ring, that's why she's upset with May?  As soon as she laid eyes on May, she didn't like her. 

5 minutes ago, preeya said:

BUT, it is likely to happen, especially since Athena already mentioned it to May.

I hope not, since May basically told her to back off, but we'll see.

[EllaWycliffe]

Just now, preeya said:

BUT, it is likely to happen, especially since Athena already mentioned it to May.

This would be the confrontation where Athena would finally agree to therepy maybe?

Personally I didn't like how Michael futzed around on wanting Athena to go to therepy. She's an adult and you're not sleeping together, tell her you want to discuss it without needing a shrink to validate your side. It also felt blamey since he was all "we said we would never hit our kids, Athena"... I get it but if she went 20+ years without striking one of those brats then she's hardly viciously whipping them in their beds with the wire coat hangers. I was also a little eye rolly because Michael had one fucking job in the black out - watch Henry at Athena's house, and Michael threw a block party with his lover in tow and lets his kid walk out without noticing but Athena losing her shit after the kid mouths off in a particularly harsh way seems to let Michael off the asshole hook.

Athena was out of line to slap Henry, but I get it - she's been stressing over the kid and now he's getting into fights at school, and says something vile and I can understand, and I do think therepy would be helpful for her but Michael went after it like a prick. The better option would be for Bobby to suggest it. 

6 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

So because May didn't immediately bend the knee and kiss Claudette's ring, that's why she's upset with May?  As soon as she laid eyes on May, she didn't like her. 

Pretty much. Just with the things she's said, if this was at my work place she'd be written up. I'm also not a fan of the "I'm a huge ass prick to you because I know you can be as good as me one day" method of teaching because its usually an excuse to treat a new person like trash. For the record, I don't like it when the firemen pull that shit as well - making the new guy wash trucks for months after he leaves training is ridiculous and asshole. 

[shapeshifter]

6 minutes ago, EllaWycliffe said:

For the record, I don't like it when the firemen pull that shit as well - making the new guy wash trucks for months after he leaves training is ridiculous and asshole. 

And not particularly instructive. Learning by watching can't happen if you're always staring at the side of the truck.

I hope they resolve this 3-ring soap opera in the next couple of episodes, or I may take a break. This was episode 5 of 18.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Athena should have slapped Claudette the diva instead of Harry. Claudette telling May she has been hard on her because she can see her potential was… 

[toodywoody]

Once again why is Claudette not wearing the uniform? And why is she listening to other operators calls and ignoring her own? Is she a supervisor? No, she was shown at her own station and butted it and just took over, not cool. How is that ok? Why is she listening to all her calls, shouldn't she have her own? Everyone else wasn't up listening to May's call with the girl. This storyline is just pissing me off. Girl needs to sit down and mind her own damn business since she is not a supervisor or May's boss. 

And what was Athena drinking while talking to Bobby? Are they keeping alcohol in the house and Bobby is a recovering alcoholic. Is this the first time I've noticed this? Or has she drank before around him? 

Edited October 20, 2021 by toodywoody

[Nessa]

On 10/17/2021 at 10:02 AM, jewel21 said:

May

When did she move out?!!?

[marceline]

Looking at the posts here it occurs to me that the biggest problem with the character of Claudette is that we have absolutely no idea who she is or what is motivating her. She's a complete mystery and not in a good way. We know nothing about her. When did she work at the call center? Why did she leave? Where has she been all this time? What happened at her last job? And all of that is before we get to whatever bullshit issues she has with May.

Every time she shows up on screen it's like "Harpo who dis woman?" 

[Snazzy Daisy]

16 hours ago, Nessa said:

When did she move out?!!?

May told her family about moving out in S04.E11. The actual move happened off screen I guess.

911 4x11 | May wants to move out

911 4x11 | Athena tells May about her conditions

[Andyourlittledog2]

The way she zeroed in on May from moment one has me wondering if she knows who May is.  Did Claudette have some prior incident with Athena perhaps?  Some grudge that festers and she is messing with May as a way of getting back at Athena? Could Claudette be the one who posts the blog against Athena online (the one Harry was seen reading)?

It's all so mysterious. There are so many reasons and nonreasons for Claudette's appearance on the show and her behavior. They better get explainy in the next episode or two or it's going to be more irritating than it already is.

 

[Crashcourse]

I don't remember but when May was talking to Athena about Claudette did she mention her name?   

[Snazzy Daisy]

9 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I don't remember but when May was talking to Athena about Claudette did she mention her name?   

May mentioned Claudette’s name to Athena during their mani-pedi.

9-1-1 5x05 Athena and may + Bobby and Harry

[Crashcourse]

3 minutes ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

May mentioned Claudette’s name to Athena during their mani-pedi.

9-1-1 5x05 Athena and may + Bobby and Harry

Thanks.  So if there was a prior incident between Athena and Claudette, Athena would have known who she was and why she had it in for May. 

[Andyourlittledog2]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

So if there was a prior incident between Athena and Claudette, Athena would have known who she was and why she had it in for May. 

Not if Athena doesn't know Claudette has a problem with her or who she is. It could be something from the days when Claudette was at this call center and just an anonymous 911 operator to Athena. It's a large center, Athena cannot possibly know all who are on the phones. Or it could be from an incident where Claudette was involved peripherally and didn't like Athena then. Claudette and Athena are both strong black women with type A personalities. It would be easy to see how they could clash, especially since Claudette seems to think she is God's gift to emergencies. 

This is just speculation of course. We have no idea what the real deal is yet.

[lianau]

On 10/19/2021 at 8:59 PM, KatWay said:

the writing was so bad for this ep I wonder if the writers for different episodes even talk to each other. Buck thinks everyone blames him based on zero evidence? everyone was acting weird but there was not even a scene that showed how he would have come to that conclusion. Also how many iterations of the "Buck acts out, gets told to get over himself" storyline do we really need? Like give him something else to do already.

 

Buck came to that conclusion out of his own history where is own parent subconsciously blamed him for failing to save their first son and not even knowing anything about his brother's existence , Buck couldn't understand why he was getting the polite but detached treatment from them .

 

 

On 10/19/2021 at 11:28 PM, Lethallyfab said:

I thought that, ostensibly, Hen and Eddie’s feud was due to Buck saying that no one was really talking about Chimmey’s absence therefore everyone was on edge, but that was not communicated in the show well at ALL.

 

I didn't see a feud as much as two people who are used to work closely with somebody else and who don't speak each others silent language and because of this unfamiliarity ended up in each other's space all the time . 

[Nessa]

2 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

May told her family about moving out in S04.E11. The actual move happened off screen I guess.

911 4x11 | May wants to move out

911 4x11 | Athena tells May about her conditions

Damn, something else I missed.............................I must tune out ha ha ha

[WinJet0819]

On 10/20/2021 at 2:19 PM, SnazzyDaisy said:

May told her family about moving out in S04.E11. The actual move happened off screen I guess.

911 4x11 | May wants to move out

911 4x11 | Athena tells May about her conditions

It may have just been the camera angle of the door, but one thing I noticed is that it seemed May didn't follow one of her mother's rules about what kind of apartment to get. When May opened the door, it looked like her apartment was on the first floor. And I recall Athena explicitly saying no first floor apartments when she gave May her blessing to move out.

Edited October 21, 2021 by WinJet0819

[Snazzy Daisy]

14 hours ago, WinJet0819 said:

It may have just been the camera angle of the door, but one thing I noticed is that it seemed May didn't follow one of her mother's rule about what apartments to get. When May opened the door, it looked like her apartment was on the first floor. And I recall Athena explicitly saying no first floor apartments when she gave May her blessing to move out.

Yupp, it’s first floor!

The writers and their inconsistencies…🙄

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by SnazzyDaisy

[ajsnaves]

I am finding Sue’s apparent absence from the call center particularly noticeable.  I almost expect her to swoop in, see Caludette and say “Didn’t I fire you years ago? Why are you here?”. There has to be more to why she left.

I think its interesting to compare Buck and Ravi (AKA Probie) with Claudette.  It seems like Buck is actually trying to make Ravi better, because his “family” deserves the best.  So he is trying to show Ravi how to do things, like disassemble a chainsaw, or how to put the battering ram away. He even let him use the ram, which looks like fun.  Claudette seems to be trying to undermine May. She has gotten into May’s head, and is building shelf space.  I have worked for someone like that.  It was like he made it his mission to destroy my career.  And everything he did to “help” was really used to build the case against me.  That is what is happening to May.  At least my nemesis was actually my boss.  May needs to get her boss involved now.

[shapeshifter]

16 minutes ago, ajsnaves said:

Claudette seems to be trying to undermine May. She has gotten into May’s head, and is building shelf space.  I have worked for someone like that.  It was like he made it his mission to destroy my career.  And everything he did to “help” was really used to build the case against me.  That is what is happening to May.  At least my nemesis was actually my boss.  May needs to get her boss involved now.

I worked for someone like that for 18 years, but she did that to everyone. The thing with people who do that is that they like to say they're just doing their job by reprimanding colleagues for not doing things a certain way. But here it is further complicated by May having the past with the bullying leading to a suicide attempt -- which is why I guess the writers came up with this plot arc. 🙄
Let's hope it's over *very* soon (not in 18 years!!) and that it ends with a feel-good denouement. 

[quirkygal]

23 hours ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

Not if Athena doesn't know Claudette has a problem with her or who she is. It could be something from the days when Claudette was at this call center and just an anonymous 911 operator to Athena. It's a large center, Athena cannot possibly know all who are on the phones. Or it could be from an incident where Claudette was involved peripherally and didn't like Athena then. Claudette and Athena are both strong black women with type A personalities. It would be easy to see how they could clash, especially since Claudette seems to think she is God's gift to emergencies. 

This is just speculation of course. We have no idea what the real deal is yet.

Please, please, please don't let Claudette be one of those crazy women who fell in love with the thankfully dead rapist guy and is now seeking revenge on Athena's family. 

As for Claudette I've worked with and managed the type before. They know it all, do it all, and are the end all be all of everyone ever but can't be promoted because they have no real people skills and don't really want to learn more while taking on new responsibilities. These folks build careers by passive aggressively undercutting coworkers and cleaning up the mess they made while trying to look all innocent.

Aren't most 911 operators covered by a union? Isn't there a person at the union who could give May some unbiased advice? What about Bobby? Last season when she started working and had problems letting the emotional effects of the call go they had a good chat about it. Bobby sees her as a young adult and not that little adorable bundle he brought home from the hospital.

[EllaWycliffe]

4 hours ago, quirkygal said:

Please, please, please don't let Claudette be one of those crazy women who fell in love with the thankfully dead rapist guy and is now seeking revenge on Athena's family. 

And yet now that you've said it aloud, I am sure this will happen. 

[possibilities]

At least Buck was legitimately Ravi's training officer. Claudette is just freelancing.