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S09.E08: A Big Fat Disappointment


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54 minutes ago, jacksgirl said:

I cringe watch this show. How on earth does Whitney convince her legions of fans that she's in a relationship with a man she's never met? Le Blur struggles with small talk (I realize English was prob not his first language learned). He doesn't sound one iota interested in a relationship with Twit. I'm so over her whining and excuses about how busy she is. Why do I watch?

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Faux beau 2.0

Twit meets Le Blur in person, they fall in love and quelle surprise! she gets engaged, this time on American soil. He’s a much quicker study than Chase.  He realizes Twit is an obnoxious delusional narcissist after just a few days.  He gets an “emergency” call from France. Mère Blur is ill and he has to rush home. C’est dommage. Twit never hears from him again, ever.  The end.

I knew those 5 years of French would come in handy one day.

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On 10/5/2021 at 11:27 AM, mamadrama said:

So Whitney backed out of het test? Shocker.

There are, fer shure, so many unkind things I can say about Whit's shenanigans this season (whether Production induced, or Whitney's insecurity), BUT I WILL admit to having a soft spot regarding W.'s panic/anxiety at test taking.  (And that massive tome for pro fitness certification does indeed seem a genuine challenge.  One can memorize everything to qualify, but if you have "test panic," I do believe it's easy to really mess up.  (Of course, Whit's "concentration" during filming is probably close to nil...so...no doubt "test anxiety" is NOT the main part of the whole picture! Whitney could probably be a good and engaging Personal Trainer....but only time will tell...)

On 10/5/2021 at 9:40 PM, alabetser said:

How does someone who has been working on weight loss for years not know there are 3500 calories per pound of fat? That's like day 1 weight loss basics. Surely between her Dad's portion efforts, Will's nutrition advice, and plain old Google she should have known this before now. I knew it before now, and I've never even had major weight to lose. I don't know how you go from that lack of awareness to being a personal trainer.

Also, I don't see how she's so busy she can't study. Even if she's doing filming and the egg retrieval procedure, that's far from all-consuming. Lots of people take part time classes and still manage to work part/full time, raise kids, have a social life, volunteer, etc. She's had months to study before and after these "busy" times too. At some point you've got to knuckle down and just do it.

Ten thousand times yes!  Anyone who's used a treadmill knows how few calories you burn in exercise and has checked on "well, how many goddam calories do I need to burn to lose this goddam weight"--But you know what?  I can believe that Whitney has kept herself willfully ignorant of the fact that exercise alone is not going to get the fat off her--anything to avoid cutting down on calories.

And I *knew* she wouldn't take the test because Whitney *never* follows through on *anything*!  She has never taken on a project or anything else and seen it through to the end, never.  Will has her number and is the only cast member not afraid to say it out loud.  Why in the *hell* anyone would allow her to have a baby?  They ought to be charged with ethical violations at the very least.  She is fat because she won't--probably doesn't want--to control her eating, and she should never, ever be trusted with a living human being.  The cats are OK I suspect only because their requirements are so minimal, but a baby needs more than a scooped-out litter box.

Her problem is so clearly emotional/psychological:  she needs to find out why she can't continue *anything* to its conclusion.  It's obvious she's deathly afraid of failure, but we have to fail at things to learn how to do them--and she's never done that.

And why oh why can't she say, in a TH or to Buddy, "I feel so shitty about the way I treated Ashley?"

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1 hour ago, Mothra said:

And why oh why can't she say, in a TH or to Buddy, "I feel so shitty about the way I treated Ashley?"

She doesn't  feel shitty about anything It's her show so fuck everyone else.It's bad enough she is heavy but also become a 1st class rotten human and shithead.I can't help but wish more misfortune to befall her.She thrives off it.She needs mental help,but prob to late for that just cancel her ass.

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Why in the *hell* anyone would allow her to have a baby? 

Well, at least officially, in this country we aren't supposed to be policing reproduction*. People are allowed to have as many babies as they want and can have. I'm not sure what branch of the police is supposed to issue Whitney her baby-having license. 

*And yes, I know our society polices baby-having and baby-raising in all sorts of informal and systemic ways but at least as a legal, policy and personal-freedoms sort of issue, we don't limit baby-making to "approved" people in all but extraordinary cases.

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27 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Well, at least officially, in this country we aren't supposed to be policing reproduction*. People are allowed to have as many babies as they want and can have. I'm not sure what branch of the police is supposed to issue Whitney her baby-having license. 

*And yes, I know our society polices baby-having and baby-raising in all sorts of informal and systemic ways but at least as a legal, policy and personal-freedoms sort of issue, we don't limit baby-making to "approved" people in all but extraordinary cases.

Oh, I know all that, but I'm talking about ethical considerations here.  How in hell can that doctor live with himself if she does become pregnant with one of the eggs he retrieved?  I am not so literal a thinker that I believe there should be a pregnancy police (although we do require a license to drive and to catch fish).

My point is that anyone involved in allowing some innocent human being to be placed in the care of such a person as Whitney, the most un-self-aware being in the universe--she gives Mark Zuckerberg a run for the money--ought to be ashamed of themselves and shunned by all people who were brought up right.

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2 hours ago, Mothra said:

Ten thousand times yes!  Anyone who's used a treadmill knows how few calories you burn in exercise and has checked on "well, how many goddam calories do I need to burn to lose this goddam weight"--But you know what?  I can believe that Whitney has kept herself willfully ignorant of the fact that exercise alone is not going to get the fat off her--anything to avoid cutting down on calories.

And I *knew* she wouldn't take the test because Whitney *never* follows through on *anything*!  She has never taken on a project or anything else and seen it through to the end, never.  Will has her number and is the only cast member not afraid to say it out loud.  Why in the *hell* anyone would allow her to have a baby?  They ought to be charged with ethical violations at the very least.  She is fat because she won't--probably doesn't want--to control her eating, and she should never, ever be trusted with a living human being.  The cats are OK I suspect only because their requirements are so minimal, but a baby needs more than a scooped-out litter box.

Her problem is so clearly emotional/psychological:  she needs to find out why she can't continue *anything* to its conclusion.  It's obvious she's deathly afraid of failure, but we have to fail at things to learn how to do them--and she's never done that.

And why oh why can't she say, in a TH or to Buddy, "I feel so shitty about the way I treated Ashley?"

Maybe because she was never denied anything as a child? If she wanted it,  she got it ---or she threw a tantrum until she got it. Now, if she wants pizza, she has the whole pie! Can't deny herself something regardless of the consequences.  Want ice cream? Eat the whole gallon. Want a cookie? Have a mega cookie. 

Doesn't work with men, though,  so she has to invent relationships. 

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1 hour ago, Mothra said:

Oh, I know all that, but I'm talking about ethical considerations here.  How in hell can that doctor live with himself if she does become pregnant with one of the eggs he retrieved?  I am not so literal a thinker that I believe there should be a pregnancy police (although we do require a license to drive and to catch fish).

My point is that anyone involved in allowing some innocent human being to be placed in the care of such a person as Whitney, the most un-self-aware being in the universe--she gives Mark Zuckerberg a run for the money--ought to be ashamed of themselves and shunned by all people who were brought up right.

That's a step down a slippery slope; for healthcare professionals to choose who gets treatment and who doesn't...

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1 hour ago, Colleenna said:

Maybe because she was never denied anything as a child? If she wanted it,  she got it ---or she threw a tantrum until she got it. Now, if she wants pizza, she has the whole pie! Can't deny herself something regardless of the consequences.  Want ice cream? Eat the whole gallon. Want a cookie? Have a mega cookie. 

Doesn't work with men, though,  so she has to invent relationships. 

Exactly…  I find it very interesting that she obviously eats copious amounts of food yet we rarely see her eating anything…. Her whole NOBS philosophy seems to be based on not being ashamed of your body or your fat yet she hides her eating habits from the cameras…

Why not just eat a mountain of waffles with whipped cream, bacon and cheese then wash it down with a big mug of gravy?

What’s the point of hiding her eating habits?

 

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33 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

That's a step down a slippery slope; for healthcare professionals to choose who gets treatment and who doesn't...

I agree but what I have read is that doctors do in fact refuse fertility treatments for patients who are not healthy enough - morbid obesity being a potential issue. However, that is almost always linked to the actual pregnancy. Here Whitney is not planning on having the baby herself. If any of this story was real I would assume she's been told she needs a surrogate because a doctor has explained to her that at her size a pregnancy is dangerous. 

If she finds doctor willing to impregnate her or a surrogate willing to have the baby, there won't be any way to prevent it on the grounds that she's a narcissistic jerk. That's not a legitimate reason to prevent someone from becoming a parent.  

Luckily for any potential child, this is all a storyline for the show. I don't believe she even wants to have a kid. I'm not even convinced she's actually on fertility meds or had her eggs frozen.

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36 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

I agree but what I have read is that doctors do in fact refuse fertility treatments for patients who are not healthy enough - morbid obesity being a potential issue. However, that is almost always linked to the actual pregnancy. Here Whitney is not planning on having the baby herself. If any of this story was real I would assume she's been told she needs a surrogate because a doctor has explained to her that at her size a pregnancy is dangerous. 

If she finds doctor willing to impregnate her or a surrogate willing to have the baby, there won't be any way to prevent it on the grounds that she's a narcissistic jerk. That's not a legitimate reason to prevent someone from becoming a parent.  

Luckily for any potential child, this is all a storyline for the show. I don't believe she even wants to have a kid. I'm not even convinced she's actually on fertility meds or had her eggs frozen.

Yes - there is a difference between refusing to provide a treatment because of medical risks to the patient and refusing to provide a treatment because you don't think the patient deserves it. 

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1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

That's a step down a slippery slope; for healthcare professionals to choose who gets treatment and who doesn't...

Agree. And then where does the line stop? Nobody with mental health issues can reproduce? Or with physical disabilities? Or genetic issues?  At what point would it stop? I have some terrible health issues, but I'm a damn good mother.

I'm no fan of Whitney, but from a former social worker's perspective she's way above some of the families I worked with: she has a nice home, a strong support system, and the monetary means to ensure that the child will have their basic needs covered (and then some). She could also hire a nanny, since we know she loves to outsource. 

From a viewer's perspective I don't think she should have a child. From a doctor's, though? 

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34 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

Agree. And then where does the line stop? Nobody with mental health issues can reproduce? Or with physical disabilities? Or genetic issues? 

Those of us who are FOGS (farking old gals) can remember a time when,  unfortunately, this was true. Among the conditions that precluded childbearing were mental "retardation" (the terminology of the time) and epilepsy.  

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1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

From a viewer's perspective I don't think she should have a child. From a doctor's, though? 

I think this sums it up best. Based on what I've seen of her through the show and SM, do I want her to have a baby? Heck no. Would I support a doctor actively telling her she shouldn't be a mother or denying her fertility treatments to make it happen (assuming we aren't talking about her carrying the child - that could be a medical problem)? Absolutely not. 

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5 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

Exactly…  I find it very interesting that she obviously eats copious amounts of food yet we rarely see her eating anything…. Her whole NOBS philosophy seems to be based on not being ashamed of your body or your fat yet she hides her eating habits from the cameras…

Why not just eat a mountain of waffles with whipped cream, bacon and cheese then wash it down with a big mug of gravy?

What’s the point of hiding her eating habits?

 

DEAD.  Mug of gravy.....  Oh, the visual.....

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7 hours ago, Colleenna said:

Maybe because she was never denied anything as a child? If she wanted it,  she got it ---or she threw a tantrum until she got it. Now, if she wants pizza, she has the whole pie! Can't deny herself something regardless of the consequences.  Want ice cream? Eat the whole gallon. Want a cookie? Have a mega cookie. 

Doesn't work with men, though,  so she has to invent relationships. 

You know, it would seem that way, but it's my belief that people who are given in to as children are people who really don't get what they want (and, it seems to me, need).  I am sure it doesn't do a kid any good to give her everything she wants--or what she can express as what she wants--but there is something (probably parental attention and/or affection) that she wants but is unable to express and feels she is not getting.  I wonder how Whitney was treated as a child--beyond what you describe, which I'm sure is accurate--in terms of time reading with a parent, or cuddling on a parent's lap, or any of the quiet things that go on between parent and child that communicate far more than "spoiling" does that the child is loved and valued.  It's my unprofessional opinion that Whitney was praised and rewarded when she succeeded as a child, but maybe not rewarded with hugs and other expressions of love when she failed at something, hence her overpowering inability to risk failure as an adult.  She quits anything she tries that she is afraid she might fail at because failure = withdrawal of parental approval (and love).  Or so her subconscious tells her.

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On 10/5/2021 at 10:11 PM, FurBabyMama said:

Why the hell did she not get anesthesia for the egg retrieval?? I didn’t even have the option, it was done under anesthesia and that was it. Zero desire to do it without anesthesia. And preparing for egg retrieval is not all time consuming… it’s what 2 weeks of injections?? I did it during my pediatrics residency, the ultrasound appts are early in the morning and only a few minutes, and you’re on your way. She could have been studying, she’s just lazy and disgusting and wants us all to say poor whitney? 
 

And why ghe hell is she inviting the french man on the family vacation without talking to anyone else about it first? And who invites someone you never met to meet everyone?? I can’t, she’s like perpetually stuck in high school. She’s around my age, and  just seems like she’s never grown up. I don’t understand. 

I know that only people with some very serious health conditions allowed to have colonoscopy without anesthesia. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wit has some underlying issues she doesn’t want to share with us.

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8 hours ago, Maximadc said:

I was also surprised to hear that she had had colonoscopy done at her age. She needs to have something going on to get it recommended.

I'm sure she has a lot of underlying health conditions we don't know about. In fairness to Whitney, though, there are many reasons why someone under 40 can get them, though: endometriosis of the bowels, ulcers, chronic lower digestive pain, chronic constipation, family history...

That said, they've really pulled the plug on her dance "career", haven't they? They're not even trying to pretend that she's still a "dancer" or that she's healthy. The first few seasons laid heavily into the HAES movement and how she could do "anything" a "normal sized" person could do. That whole pretense has been dropped.

Are WE the dummies here? We spent an hour watching a mean-spirited woman get a pelvic procedure and then listened as she talked on the phone. She appears to have no job (other than the ignored reality TV one), no social life, no real skills, and few realized prospects, and yet here I am tuning in every week anyway...

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1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

 

Are WE the dummies here? We spent an hour watching a mean-spirited woman get a pelvic procedure and then listened as she talked on the phone. She appears to have no job (other than the ignored reality TV one), no social life, no real skills, and few realized prospects, and yet here I am tuning in every week anyway...

Whitney and Dr. Now are my vices. I could do a lot worse. I agree with posts above, she can't talk her way through the procedure if she is asleep.

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On 10/7/2021 at 1:49 PM, Joan of Argh said:

Exactly…  I find it very interesting that she obviously eats copious amounts of food yet we rarely see her eating anything…. Her whole NOBS philosophy seems to be based on not being ashamed of your body or your fat yet she hides her eating habits from the cameras…

Why not just eat a mountain of waffles with whipped cream, bacon and cheese then wash it down with a big mug of gravy?

What’s the point of hiding her eating habits?

 

And admitting that you can’t go through pregnancy due to your weight issues 

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On 10/7/2021 at 6:56 AM, Mothra said:

She is fat because she won't--probably doesn't want--to control her eating

Heyyyyy, nowwww…how many times have we heard about PCOS making it impossible to lose weight, no matter what she does?  It’s my unprofessional opinion that the basis of her whacked out behavior/ideas and original inspiration for No-BS is her literal illogical belief that PCOS MAKES her fat and there’s nothing she can do about it.

Ymmv, etc.

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15 hours ago, jacksgirl said:

Whitney and Dr. Now are my vices. I could do a lot worse. I agree with posts above, she can't talk her way through the procedure if she is asleep.

Some weeks I forget to watch her for days, and I'll watch to come here.
My TV vices are Dr. Pimple Popper and now Dr. Mercy, Mayday, Disasters at Sea, and the Drain the Ocean shows.  
Dr Now was when they were new shows, but I've seen them.
And then the To Catch a Smuggler shows.
With Whit, I try and figure how long she can hang onto a show with nothing going for it.

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I'm not surprised she bailed on the test - it's something that required actually effort, application and time, to get a real qualification, and she's just not prepared to do that. She makes her living not from running No BS Active, but from TV. It's the same as the Big Girl's Dance Group - that was a set-up for the show, but I recall at some open-air event, a lot of women turned up for a dance class led by Whitney. So there was a market for it (hell, I'd go to a dance class for larger ladies, as I love to dance but I'm unskilled and self-conscious about my weight), and a potential for her to make an actual business out of it. But that takes work and effort, which she's either incapable of doing, or just too lazy.

Everything she does is about self-promotion. Remember the 'ballroom dancing competition' that, fakiest of fakey storylines, Whitney won after about five minutes of practice? I'm sure that was her trying to say to the producers of "Dancing With The Stars" LOOK AT ME!!! to worm her way onto that show. In truth, she wouldn't last a week on DWTS - it's really hard work, practising for several hours a day, which she wouldn't be able to do, not to mention having to take direction and follow choreography from the professional dancer. I bet she'd kill to get on that show, though.

 

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54 minutes ago, essexjan said:

I'm not surprised she bailed on the test - it's something that required actually effort, application and time, to get a real qualification, and she's just not prepared to do that. She makes her living not from running No BS Active, but from TV. It's the same as the Big Girl's Dance Group - that was a set-up for the show, but I recall at some open-air event, a lot of women turned up for a dance class led by Whitney. So there was a market for it (hell, I'd go to a dance class for larger ladies, as I love to dance but I'm unskilled and self-conscious about my weight), and a potential for her to make an actual business out of it. But that takes work and effort, which she's either incapable of doing, or just too lazy.

Everything she does is about self-promotion. Remember the 'ballroom dancing competition' that, fakiest of fakey storylines, Whitney won after about five minutes of practice? I'm sure that was her trying to say to the producers of "Dancing With The Stars" LOOK AT ME!!! to worm her way onto that show. In truth, she wouldn't last a week on DWTS - it's really hard work, practising for several hours a day, which she wouldn't be able to do, not to mention having to take direction and follow choreography from the professional dancer. I bet she'd kill to get on that show, though.

 

I'd watch her on DWTS.

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On 10/6/2021 at 5:48 AM, FurBabyMama said:

The egg retrieval is usually done under that twilight sleep… 

That is no doubt what the clinic offered (not "general anesthesia" which requires that you be placed on a ventilator) and Whitney rejected, in which case there was no need for ANYONE to drive her to and from.

But any excuse to monopolize Buddy...

Anyone else get a natural childbirth vibe from her during that procedure?  She probably figures that's a close as she'll ever get to it!

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On 10/7/2021 at 10:49 AM, Joan of Argh said:

Exactly…  I find it very interesting that she obviously eats copious amounts of food yet we rarely see her eating anything…. Her whole NOBS philosophy seems to be based on not being ashamed of your body or your fat yet she hides her eating habits from the cameras…

Why not just eat a mountain of waffles with whipped cream, bacon and cheese then wash it down with a big mug of gravy?

What’s the point of hiding her eating habits?

 

Because she claims she's fabulously fat not because of her eating habits, but because of PCOS; that's her story, and she's sticking to it!

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On 10/7/2021 at 6:48 PM, Maximadc said:

I know that only people with some very serious health conditions allowed to have colonoscopy without anesthesia. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wit has some underlying issues she doesn’t want to share with us.

Well, she has super-morbid obesity, for one thing; that puts you at high risk for general anesthesia.

On 10/8/2021 at 1:17 PM, Maximadc said:

How did it work?

Well, those who were deemed incompetent and/or were wards of the state were involuntarily and often unknowingly sterilized, so it worked very effectively.  It's call "eugenics."

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5 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

That is no doubt what the clinic offered (not "general anesthesia" which requires that you be placed on a ventilator) and Whitney rejected, in which case there was no need for ANYONE to drive her to and from.

But any excuse to monopolize Buddy...

Anyone else get a natural childbirth vibe from her during that procedure?  She probably figures that's a close as she'll ever get to it!

Yes, I agree, I also got a weird pregnancy vibe from her throughout the whole process. From the follicle check when her reaction was that of a woman at a pregnancy ultrasound, and then at the retrieval she was in full blown delivery mode.  Bizarre.  

As someone pointed out, dancing seems to be a thing of the past, the closest thing to actual dancing she's done all season was that soft porn-ish poolside group twerk session on the fat girl's weekend trip. So now she & the group are heading to Maine. It would be great if someone who encountered Whit & her barnacles on the road would find this forum, I'd love to get a candid peek into their trips.  She's gotta stand out.  Especially if she wears that flesh tone bodysuit/ bathing suit again. Yikes!

She really is extra obnoxious this season, more rude & snarky than usual, especially to Buddy. Assume he takes her crap because he really needs the money.  C'mon pal, pick a career, take some damn training & find a real job. (FYI that's very attractive to a woman). This show ain't gonna last forever, it's on life support now. 

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On 10/8/2021 at 4:17 PM, Maximadc said:

How did it work?

This is all my fault.  I was trying to be funny.  I don't really think anyone, doctors or the state or the Flying Spaghetti Monster ought to deny Whitney the opportunity to become a mother.  And I don't think anybody has expressed that *seriously*.

But I still think anyone who aids and abets her in this enterprise ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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11 hours ago, Mothra said:

This is all my fault.  I was trying to be funny.  I don't really think anyone, doctors or the state or the Flying Spaghetti Monster ought to deny Whitney the opportunity to become a mother.  And I don't think anybody has expressed that *seriously*.

But I still think anyone who aids and abets her in this enterprise ought to be ashamed of themselves.

It is a rotten idea. the blame belongs to TLC also.Put a spear in her she is done.Just stop.

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On 10/8/2021 at 3:56 AM, mamadrama said:

I'm sure she has a lot of underlying health conditions we don't know about. In fairness to Whitney, though, there are many reasons why someone under 40 can get them, though: endometriosis of the bowels, ulcers, chronic lower digestive pain, chronic constipation, family history...

That said, they've really pulled the plug on her dance "career", haven't they? They're not even trying to pretend that she's still a "dancer" or that she's healthy. The first few seasons laid heavily into the HAES movement and how she could do "anything" a "normal sized" person could do. That whole pretense has been dropped.

Are WE the dummies here? We spent an hour watching a mean-spirited woman get a pelvic procedure and then listened as she talked on the phone. She appears to have no job (other than the ignored reality TV one), no social life, no real skills, and few realized prospects, and yet here I am tuning in every week anyway...

After that little food fight with Babs, she was out of breath and made the comment that she was out of shape.

Probably the most honest statement to come out of her mouth in all of the years she's been on the air.  

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On 10/7/2021 at 1:49 PM, Joan of Argh said:

Exactly…  I find it very interesting that she obviously eats copious amounts of food yet we rarely see her eating anything…. Her whole NOBS philosophy seems to be based on not being ashamed of your body or your fat yet she hides her eating habits from the cameras…

Why not just eat a mountain of waffles with whipped cream, bacon and cheese then wash it down with a big mug of gravy?

What’s the point of hiding her eating habits?

 

As Dr. Now often says, it’s very clear she is not following any diet. If she were she would be losing weight, plain and simple. And for credibility, even with PCOS, she may not ever be thin, but she would lose weight. It’s all in that personal training book she hasn’t bothered to read. So, she might as well stop hiding her eating habits because it’s pretty clear what they are.

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3 hours ago, Mommygetz said:

As Dr. Now often says, it’s very clear she is not following any diet. If she were she would be losing weight, plain and simple. And for credibility, even with PCOS, she may not ever be thin, but she would lose weight. It’s all in that personal training book she hasn’t bothered to read. So, she might as well stop hiding her eating habits because it’s pretty clear what they are.

If PCOS causes obesity, why aren't  Victoria Beckham and Jillian Michaels obese?

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