Jeopardy! Season 38 (2021-2022)

[proserpina65]

On 3/24/2022 at 5:05 PM, HyeChaps said:

For that matter, couldn’t Bach also have been a BMS?

Yep, because Johann Christian Bach was also a composer.

On 3/24/2022 at 8:05 PM, Browncoat said:

I got FJ, eventually.  I started with, "Oh, wait!  The princess from Aladdin!  What was her name?  Oh, right!  Jasmine!"

That was my thought process except that I never got to Jasmine.

On 3/24/2022 at 8:00 PM, Katy M said:

I got FJ.  I just read Arabian Nights last year.  I did not care for it.

The expurgated or unexpurgated version?

On 3/24/2022 at 8:05 PM, Browncoat said:

Hedda Hopper.

I knew who they wanted.  I got as far as Hedda and "her son was on Perry Mason" but couldn't quite drag Hopper out of my brain.

[proserpina65]

On 3/25/2022 at 7:29 PM, ams1001 said:

I'm sorry, but Nicole was loud

I kept telling her to use her indoor voice.  Didn't work.

On 3/25/2022 at 10:35 PM, Bastet said:

I ran Philly pop music, but my pre-guess for the category

I pre-guessed Hall & Oates.

On 3/26/2022 at 11:52 PM, 30 Helens said:

I’ve always heard it pronounced “val-ay” in either case, manservant or parking attendant. I didn’t think Ken’s version was wrong, because I knew that as an obscure alternate pronunciation, but I did find it surprising that he would choose that form. Maybe the clue writer is British?

P.G. Wodehouse, who wrote the Jeeves & Wooster novels, was British.  I'd assumed Ken went with the British pronunciation of valet since the clue specifically mentioned Wodehouse.

On 3/27/2022 at 11:55 AM, Welshman in Ca said:

I have never heard it pronounced any way except "val-ay" so I don't understand why everyone thinks that British people say "val-et". And why would a US tv show pronounce one word the supposedly British way when it can rarely pronounce British place names or words correctly on any day ?

You may not have heard it pronounced that way in Britain, but I have, on more than one British tv show and in person when I lived in London.

 

[Katy M]

41 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

The expurgated or unexpurgated version?

I will admit that I had to look up the definition for this.  I'm not sure.  There was offensive stuff in there, but I'm sure it could have been more offensive.

[proserpina65]

14 minutes ago, Katy M said:

I will admit that I had to look up the definition for this.  I'm not sure.  There was offensive stuff in there, but I'm sure it could have been more offensive.

The most popular unexpurgated version - the Richard Francis Burton translation - has a lot of sex in it, which may or may not be offensive to different readers.  The common abridged versions definitely go in a less erotic direction.  Chacon a son gout, as the French say.

(I'm not judging either way.  People have different levels of comfort with the sexual situations and also with various cultural depictions in the book, and that's fine.  I was just curious.)

Edited March 28, 2022 by proserpina65

[Katy M]

28 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

The most popular unexpurgated version - the Richard Francis Burton translation - has a lot of sex in it, which may or may not be offensive to different readers.  The common abridged versions definitely go in a less erotic direction.  Chacon a son gout, as the French say.

Yes.  I know that I read the Richard Burton translation, because I remember stupidly wondering for a half a second if it was the actor.

[Welshman in Ca]

On 3/27/2022 at 10:16 AM, SomeTameGazelle said:

 At least some British people clearly do. The OED gives both pronunciations, but has val-et first. And as @Driad has pointed out, in the Jeeves & Wooster series with Stephen Fry they used val‐et.

 

 

I actually said "I have never heard it said that way" not that no British person had ever said it that way.

I notice how you ignored my other point which was why would they suddenly expect a so called British way of saying something as an answer for one question on an American quiz show when they can't usually pronounce British word correctly when that's the category.

I'm thinking that either way would have been accepted but what do I know.

[proserpina65]

39 minutes ago, Welshman in Ca said:

I actually said "I have never heard it said that way" not that no British person had ever said it that way.

I notice how you ignored my other point which was why would they suddenly expect a so called British way of saying something as an answer for one question on an American quiz show when they can't usually pronounce British word correctly when that's the category.

I'm thinking that either way would have been accepted but what do I know.

They probably would've accepted either pronunciation but since both the contestant and Ken pronounced the way it was pronounced on Jeeves & Wooster, it's a bit of a moot point.

[853fisher]

1845 made me think of westward expansion for Friday's FJ.  I ruled out Helena because I thought Billings was the capital (wrong!).  I guess I would have tried Olympia, expecting it to be wrong.  Right at the beginning, I thought of Pacifica, a small city near here which was obviously wrong.  Why I didn't try our other big ocean is beyond me!

I wasn't very engaged with the game today.  I hadn't read the forums in a few days and didn't know to expect Mayim.  The unpleasant surprise definitely affected my level of interest.  I won't spend all week complaining about her, Scout's honor, but I don't like the job she does or the ongoing uncertainty / lack of resolution in a show that was consistent for so long.  That there had to be a change couldn't be helped, but I think we are well past when things should have been firmed up again.

There was an odd moment in the Gulf of Tonkin clue when the scores briefly displayed were all wrong, reflecting Jackie's winning total and Amie's consolation prize.  I assume they had to retape something there, but it's just sloppy, and they have the resources to do better.

Edited March 28, 2022 by 853fisher

[ams1001]

I didn't keep score tonight; the archive wasn't working so I couldn't get my scorecard set up ahead of time and I was too tired to try to keep up. Just kept track of my TSes:

monocle chronicle
apples
ferrets
water buffalo (DD)
calico
apes
 

And I did not get FJ.

There were two clues with Berlin as the answer (Irving and the city).

 

[Kimmmmmm]

Rooting for Ryan, then Amie...that's it.

[secnarf]

No idea for FJ. I have never heard of Satchel Paige, but upon seeing the category of Sports History I would have bet zero without a second thought. The only two historical baseball players I could mention are Babe Ruth and Jackie Robinson.

[dgpolo]

I didn't think I would get FJ and I wasn't sure Satchel Paige was a pitcher but that's who I said and I got it! yay!

[Katy M]

I got FJ, but can't say that I was at all confident in my answer.

I got th emissed clues of calico, apple, swords, ferrets, water buffalo, Canada, and apes.  I knew chicken cordon bleu, but could not pull it out of my brain.

I go the entire category of B place right.

[Browncoat]

I surprised myself by getting FJ tonight.  I can barely name any baseball players, much less pitchers, and then to have that narrowed further?  I can name exactly two African American baseball players, so I had a 50-50 shot.  I got lucky.

I also got the TS of monocle chronicle, hawk talk, swords, and apes.

[ams1001]

Is anyone else having trouble with the J! Archive site? I'm getting "Your connection is not private" error, on both Chrome and Edge.

[Browncoat]

I got the same message on Safari just now.

[secnarf]

I cracked up at Louis Riel being a TS.

I vividly remember my best friend complaining how useless our grade 7-8 history classes were, with far too much importance given to Louis Riel (the way she actually verbalized this was much funnier than I can convey in writing).

In fact, that is pretty much all I remember from grade 7-8 history.

12 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Is anyone else having trouble with the J! Archive site? I'm getting "Your connection is not private" error, on both Chrome and Edge.

That site won't even load for me right now (using Firefox).

[PaulaO]

1940s Black baseball player.  I knew Jackie Robinson wasn’t a pitcher.  That left Satchel Paige.  The champ is so boring that I can’t even remember her name.

[dgpolo]

45 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Is anyone else having trouble with the J! Archive site? I'm getting "Your connection is not private" error, on both Chrome and Edge.

He tweeted it was down and to be patient. I'll try to find the tweet to get exact words.

Here's the tweet: Archive is down, thanks for your patience while things are restored.

Edited March 29, 2022 by dgpolo
to add info

[PBnJay]

J-Archive is down right now, with no ETA known as yet, according to its Twitter account. I'm not watching while Ken is not hosting so was hoping to keep up via the Archive. Oh well.

@853fisher, Andy at TJF said some sharp-eyed viewer would catch that error in posted scores. So you win the Sharp-Eyed Viewer Award for today!

Edited March 29, 2022 by PBnJay

[ams1001]

15 minutes ago, dgpolo said:

He tweeted it was down and to be patient. I'll try to find the tweet to get exact words.

Here's the tweet: Archive is down, thanks for your patience while things are restored.

Thanks :) (I don't do Twitter so I don't see stuff like that.)

[ProudMary]

15 minutes ago, PBnJay said:

J-Archive is down right now, with no ETA known as yet, according to its Twitter account. I'm not watching while Ken is not hosting so was hoping to keep up via the Archive. Oh well.

@853fisher, Andy at TJF said some sharp-eyed viewer would catch that error in posted scores. So you win the Sharp-Eyed Viewer Award for today!

Perhaps millions of other non-Mayim fans are attempting the same. 

😄

[ams1001]

7 minutes ago, ProudMary said:

Perhaps millions of other non-Mayim fans are attempting the same. 

😄

Well, if I don't have the archive I really need the players to go through the categories one at a time from top to bottom. I don't know if I ran anything because they kept going across the bottom and moving up and back and forth and I just can't keep track.

[SoMuchTV]

I was kind of dreading Mayim hosting not so much because I actively disliked her, but because of so many negative comments from so many people I’ve read recently. Not that people don’t have a right to express their opinions—they absolutely do. But I guess it colored my expectations so much that I was pleasantly surprised that I thought she was fine today. 

[ams1001]

10 minutes ago, SoMuchTV said:

I was kind of dreading Mayim hosting not so much because I actively disliked her, but because of so many negative comments from so many people I’ve read recently. Not that people don’t have a right to express their opinions—they absolutely do. But I guess it colored my expectations so much that I was pleasantly surprised that I thought she was fine today. 

She didn't actually bug me tonight. I even thought her hair looked cute.

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

Well, if I don't have the archive I really need the players to go through the categories one at a time from top to bottom. I don't know if I ran anything because they kept going across the bottom and moving up and back and forth and I just can't keep track.

This works for me:
https://youtu.be/2pOTIbSCpHw

I was sort of watch/listening and haven't re-watched this👆 except for the intros.
I actually forgot about Mayim hosting but was busy transplanting an orchid.
I got the TS of calico.

While potting my orchid in the laundry room, I was fascinated by the voice and speech pattern of "theater director from Seattle Washington, Ryan Vezzo Purcell."
His diction reminded me of men who did news broadcasts and were in movies in the 1940s and 50s, and perhaps into the early 60s.
Same "classic" looks too.

Oh, and about the j-archive.com website, based on my and one of my daughters' work on websites, it looks like someone forgot to renew the domain, or, basically, they didn't pay the bill.

And, re Mayim's hair:  Her hair always looks good on Mondays. By Friday (which is in reality the end of a long day of shooting) her hair is typically up. I have the same hair (same ethnicity).

Edited March 29, 2022 by shapeshifter

[853fisher]

10 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

I even thought her hair looked cute.

I thought so too, but feared it would sound dismissive if I threw that in after remarking on how disappointed I was that she was there.

[ams1001]

3 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

This works for me:

Yeah, but then I'd have to watch it again. If I want to check later I'll just scroll through the archive and mark the ones I got in my scorecard (it's in excel; I put a 1 or a 0 and it does the math for me). I try to keep up during the game but if they jump around too much sometimes I get lost. And if I can't get the categories ahead of time sometimes I get lost right away because I'm still trying to type the categories when they start (especially when they have stupid long category titles).

But since I don't actually keep a record of all my games (except FJ) I probably won't bother. (I did for a bit last year but I kinda got bored with it.)

[Bastet]

Ha - I'll be making chicken cordon bleu for dinner tonight, so I got that TS!

They had a lot of TS in the first half of the first round, it seemed, but, of course, I can't check the archive to confirm.  Then things picked up after the interviews and I think there were only a scattered few.

I had a great game; I got everything but sword in the first round, only missed six in DJ, and FJ was an instaget.

[853fisher]

1 hour ago, PBnJay said:

Andy at TJF said some sharp-eyed viewer would catch that error in posted scores. So you win the Sharp-Eyed Viewer Award for today!

Hooray! I’ll take that win! I sure didn’t find it on the boards today. ;)

[3 is enough]

I got FJ and a bunch of the TS clues: chicken cordon bleu, calico, sword,apples, apes, and of course, Canada, though I must admit I was not surprised to see Louis Riel stump 3 non-Canadians. @secnarf is correct: we spent an exceedingly long time learning about that particular chapter of our history. 🙄

Got a text from my SIL during the game complaining about the “who shot JR”clue. Anyone want to guess what his name is? 😉

[30 Helens]

1 hour ago, SoMuchTV said:

But I guess it colored my expectations so much that I was pleasantly surprised that I thought she was fine today. 

I agree that she was fine. But to me, that’s the problem. I know they can do better than fine, so when I have to settle for that I become annoyed. I still enjoy the game, and I still like playing along, but it feels like something’s missing.

It’s like being escorted around a museum by a docent who is pleasant and well informed yet completely impersonal because it’s just her day job… vs. getting the tour from an artist who has not only contributed to the collection, but understands the process, enthusiastically supports his fellow artists, and is personally invested in the museum’s long term success. Same exhibits, totally different experience.

I promise, this is my last Mayim complaint post of the week. I will patiently endure without further comment. But I can’t wait for Ken to come back.

[Scott]

Even though he did get it correct, I couldn't support Ryan once he failed to answer the 'Dallas' clue with the classic (and correctly-phrased) line "Who shot J.R.?".

[Sokarys]

8 hours ago, 853fisher said:

There was an odd moment in the Gulf of Tonkin clue when the scores briefly displayed were all wrong, reflecting Jackie's winning total and Amie's consolation prize.  I assume they had to retape something there, but it's just sloppy, and they have the resources to do better.

I noticed that too, but thought it was a YouTube glitch since that's where I watched. I even rewound to make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me. Really weird moment.

[Mindthinkr]

   Hello All. I’ve been watching, but was unable to post for a few days. I got chicken cordon bleu, apples, ferrets, the missed DD of water buffalo, calico and apes. Not a huge baseball fan so I was unable to come up with the correct FJ. 
   I noticed the weird timing with the Gulf of Tonkin clue, but didn’t have my eagle eyes open enough to notice the scoring mistake. Kudos to those of you that did. 

[Clanstarling]

13 hours ago, secnarf said:

No idea for FJ. I have never heard of Satchel Paige, but upon seeing the category of Sports History I would have bet zero without a second thought. The only two historical baseball players I could mention are Babe Ruth and Jackie Robinson.

I got Satchel Paige, but wasn't confident because I thought Jackie Robinson's barrier breaking happened later than 1948. It was in 1947.
 

11 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

While potting my orchid in the laundry room, I was fascinated by the voice and speech pattern of "theater director from Seattle Washington, Ryan Vezzo Purcell."
His diction reminded me of men who did news broadcasts and were in movies in the 1940s and 50s, and perhaps into the early 60s.
Same "classic" looks too.

I believe his name was Guzzo, because I commented on it. I liked him.

9 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I agree that she was fine. But to me, that’s the problem. I know they can do better than fine, so when I have to settle for that I become annoyed. I still enjoy the game, and I still like playing along, but it feels like something’s missing.

It’s like being escorted around a museum by a docent who is pleasant and well informed yet completely impersonal because it’s just her day job… vs. getting the tour from an artist who has not only contributed to the collection, but understands the process, enthusiastically supports his fellow artists, and is personally invested in the museum’s long term success. Same exhibits, totally different experience.

I promise, this is my last Mayim complaint post of the week. I will patiently endure without further comment. But I can’t wait for Ken to come back.

This is dead on. I love the example. I feel bad for not wanting Mayim to be the host. Back before Ken was hired as (fill in? co-host?), I was okay with her. But then Ken came in and it was just so much better in every way. I don't hate Mayim at all, but Ken is just a perfect fit.

We had serious trouble with our feed (solar flare  maybe? we'd just been talking about one that was supposed to hit when the feed went wonky, lol), so we missed most of Double Jeopardy. We got a barely clear enough view for FJ. We'd hoped to go to J!Archive to fill in the questions. Sadly, you all know what happened.

I thought that perhaps they'd failed to renew their SSL certificate in time, as the kinds of messages I was getting crossed out their https, and were about site security. I can't really explain, because though I was the webmaster for our city, my boss handled the niggly IT stuff like that. As I always said, I was only marginally IT.

 

[ABay]

I was sad on Alex's behalf that no one got Louis Riel.

Although I confess I only know about him and the Metis because of the banter between verses in the Arrogant Worms' "Last Saskatchewan Pirate."

[ams1001]

38 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

I thought that perhaps they'd failed to renew their SSL certificate in time, as the kinds of messages I was getting crossed out their https, and were about site security.

That's what I got when I was home, my dad said it was an SSL issue, but I tried to go to it at work in the afternoon and I thought it was a different error (though I didn't really read it because I just saw it wasn't loading and closed the tab since I was on my work computer. (Sometimes I get the categories in the afternoon and send them to myself for when I get home. Cuz I'm an impatient nerd.)

[Prevailing Wind]

41 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

We had serious trouble with our feed (solar flare  maybe? we'd just been talking about one that was supposed to hit when the feed went wonky, lol), so we missed most of Double Jeopardy. We got a barely clear enough view for FJ. We'd hoped to go to J!Archive to fill in the questions. Sadly, you all know what happened.

I blame Putin.

[Egg McMuffin]

12 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

I agree that she was fine. But to me, that’s the problem. I know they can do better than fine, so when I have to settle for that I become annoyed.

That’s my problem with both Ken and Mayim. They are adequate, but I know there are many other experienced hosts out there who could do so much better. I know that one of them will get the nod as permanent host because there’s no way they’re going to upset both Ken and Mayim partisans by going with a new host when they have the option of upsetting only one group. And they are clearly going to keep alternating through the end of the season, but it’s long past time to pick a permanent host.

[proserpina65]

16 hours ago, PaulaO said:

1940s Black baseball player.  I knew Jackie Robinson wasn’t a pitcher.  That left Satchel Paige.  The champ is so boring that I can’t even remember her name.

I couldn't remember Paige.  I said Pee Wee Reese.

I had no idea we have a state cat in Maryland.  Unfortunately I said tortoiseshell.  I did pretty well otherwise.  I actually have a copy of El Cid's sword I bought from the place in Toledo, Spain which makes swords for all the bullfights in Spain.  Everyone else on my senior trip to Spain/France brought home Lladro; I brought home a sword.

15 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I even thought her hair looked cute.

I did like her hair.

15 hours ago, 3 is enough said:

I must admit I was not surprised to see Louis Riel stump 3 non-Canadians. 

His name meant absolutely nothing to me, but I couldn't see the answer being anything other than Canada based on the location.

As someone whose father was in the 82d Airborne, I was disappointed that no one got paratroopers.

[Trey]

1 hour ago, proserpina65 said:

I had no idea we have a state cat in Maryland.  Unfortunately I said tortoiseshell. 

I have two calicos so I would have been very embarrassed not to have got that one.

I also got swords, apples, ferrets, chicken Cordon Bleu, Canada, and possibly a couple more.

I did not get FJ.  I was pretty sure it wasn't Jackie Robinson but that was all I had.

[Browncoat]

3 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

I actually have a copy of El Cid's sword I bought from the place in Toledo, Spain which makes swords for all the bullfights in Spain.  Everyone else on my senior trip to Spain/France brought home Lladro; I brought home a sword.

My sister tried to bring a sword home from Spain (in the 70s), but it was confiscated at security in Madrid.  They told her they'd check it for her, but she never saw it again.  It wouldn't fit in her checked bag.

[Katy M]

I had no idea for FJ.  I said Desdemona because I figured if she was supposed to be sleeping around she'd be around a lot of pillows.

I got th emissed clues of Aswan, Luxembourg, silent movie sets, Heathrow, neutrality, and howler monkey. 

 

[Browncoat]

Instaget FJ for me tonight, although it was not one of my pre-guesses.  Obviously, I identify with end guy's story, as I suspect many of us here do!

I got a fair number of TS, too, including contact sheet, fraternities & sororities, food, Ecuador, Aswan, movie sets, Howler monkeys, and drag racing.  

 

 

[ams1001]

I actually kept score tonight but about halfway through the first round I was regretting doing so. Didn't run anything but I got all but one in "Will" and African Americana. In the second round I ran Current Significant Others and missed one Idiom.

FJ was an instaget (I might have preguessed it but I wasn't paying attention and didn't see the category until they had already revealed the clue).

Not sure if I missed any TSes but I got fraternity/sorority, food, pants down, Luxembourg, drag racing, and monkeys (assuming they would accept it without the "Howler"). 

On the difficulty of photographing black animals: I used to work with a woman whose daughter is a photographer, and she volunteers with animal shelters in her area, photographing the black cats (and dogs) for their websites to hopefully give them a better chance of getting noticed and adopted. I've seen some of her pics and I wanna adopt 'em all.
 

Edited March 30, 2022 by ams1001

[Katy M]

13 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

monkeys (assuming they would accept it without the "Howler"). 

You would get a BMS.

[ams1001]

1 minute ago, Katy M said:

You would get a BMS.

Probably should...with the way things have been lately...who knows...?

[Katy M]

11 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Probably should...with the way things have been lately...who knows...?

Well, he didn't get rabbit.

[853fisher]

Jackie is something else.  I like a contestant who is willing to bet on themselves even when they're not under the gun.  I assume she wasn't very confident in Egypt or her second wager might have been as high as her first and third.  Her "All My Children" story was delightfully unexpected too.  AMC was my mother's soap: now she has to subsist on "General Hospital."

There seem to be clues about William & Mary, the monarchs or the institution, fairly regularly, and today we had Williamsburg!  It could well be a sort of confirmation bias on my part, because I take special notice of each such clue and send it to my group of friends who attended W&M, but I sometimes wonder whether someone on the writing staff went there too.

I haven't forgotten yesterday's promise, but I will make a neutral note that the latter part of "that brings us to the end of the Jeopardy round" was choppily redone in post-prod.  The closed captions still had "single Jeopardy."  I wasn't ever bothered by that myself, but it shows that the producers are monitoring feedback.  And didn't Miss Mayim claim she'd only used it once?  Hmmmm!