Predator and Prey: Assault, harassment, and other aggressions in the entertainment industry

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, Dani said:

Personally I really don’t care all that much if it’s performative or not. If studios, actors, producers or directors are only improving in “woke” areas because they know it looks better that’s just fine with me. If we waited for change to only happen when people in power genuinely believed it was the right thing we’d still be waiting on most things to improve. Performative or not it changes the information out there resulting in future generations where it’s not simply performative. 

I totally get where you're coming from and agree with a lot of your post. People not harassing out of fear is better than the harassment taking place. Kids who don't grow up witnessing deplorable behavior are less likely to exhibit it. Where I see things a tad differently is I think people giving in to whatever they think they out to be saying or doing doesn't always go very well. Right now, yes, it's better to go with the public sway (for the most part anyway, imho). But not too long ago we got a bunch of celebs defending the indefensible because it was the cool thing to do. 

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, GaT said:

Absolutely. But I have a problem when people take being woke into SJW territory. You can't be up in arms over every single thing.

We went from "Racist and homophobic jokes are hilarious! If a child rape was a long time ago, let bygones be bygones!"

to

"This person was an asshole in an interview 20 years ago. Must apologize!"

Why not have some balance?

Edited February 1, 2022 by RealHousewife

[Mabinogia]

3 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

We went from "Racist and homophobic jokes are hilarious! If a child rape was a long time ago, let bygones be bygones!"

to

"This person was an asshole in an interview 20 years ago. Must apologize!"

Why not have some balance?

As a society I think the collective "we" tend to go to extremes. Like you say, there is surely something between "let's let the child rapists go on with their art" and "OMG you told a crude joke 20 years ago, you must be banished from all media!" 

I wish the greater "we" could differentiate between an uninformed, ignorant comment (or several comments even) from someone who, if told why it was wrong, would take steps to correct it, and a man who has, over decades, abused his power over others to destroy lives and shows no indication that he thinks he did anything wrong, or tries to accuse his victims of being the the ones in the wrong. 

Society, however, seems to have trouble seeing grey areas. 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Where I see things a tad differently is I think people giving in to whatever they think they out to be saying or doing doesn't always go very well. Right now, yes, it's better to go with the public sway (for the most part anyway, imho). But not too long ago we got a bunch of celebs defending the indefensible because it was the cool thing to do. 

I don’t think it is as simple as celebs doing it just because it was just the cool thing to do. In many cases they were saying it because that is what was necessary to survive in their careers. Or because their weren’t enough people to challenge what was common beliefs. I’m of the opinion that most of the problem came from the most powerful who protected the abusers and silenced the victims. 

 

13 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

We went from "Racist and homophobic jokes are hilarious! If a child rape was a long time ago, let bygones be bygones!"

to

"This person was an asshole in an interview 20 years ago. Must apologize!"

Why not have some balance?

I think this is just how change happens. The people in power hold that power with an iron grip while there is a minority who is shouting at the top of their lungs what is wrong. They tend to get more extreme and louder causing more people in the middle to pay attention. The balance very slowly shifts as the majority begins to reevaluate and become more informed. It’s frustrating but we generally need that extreme for real change to happen.

Extremists don’t just happen. They are ignored for years watching injustice after injustice pile up and getting more and more angry. 

[RealHousewife]

6 minutes ago, Dani said:

I don’t think it is as simple as celebs doing it just because it was just the cool thing to do. In many cases they were saying it because that is what was necessary to survive in their careers. Or because their weren’t enough people to challenge what was common beliefs. I’m of the opinion that most of the problem came from the most powerful who protected the abusers and silenced the victims. 

 

I think this is just how change happens. The people in power hold that power with an iron grip while there is a minority who is shouting at the top of their lungs what is wrong. They tend to get more extreme and louder causing more people in the middle to pay attention. The balance very slowly shifts as the majority begins to reevaluate and become more informed. It’s frustrating but we generally need that extreme for real change to happen.

Extremists don’t just happen. They are ignored for years watching injustice after injustice pile up and getting more and more angry. 

Oh of course their careers are a huge part of it. I was being a tad hyperbolic there. I respect people who always stand up for what's right regardless. I remember Chris Rock saying that while what Michael Vick did was wrong, he has daughters and that they're much more precious than dogs. 

Oh totally with the bold. I also think it's natural to start questioning yourself when you keep hearing the same view. You might think, maybe my instincts are wrong? These are all such well-known powerful people, they should know better than my dopey self?

Yes! Agree there too. That is true regarding both sexual harassment and racism. 

[possibilities]

I don't understand the point of the Chris Rock quote. Is it a choice we have to make, between girls and dogs? Why can't we treat them both decently? Maybe I just don't have the context for his remark.

[RealHousewife]

12 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I don't understand the point of the Chris Rock quote. Is it a choice we have to make, between girls and dogs? Why can't we treat them both decently? Maybe I just don't have the context for his remark.

The point was Chris Rock didn't go with much of Hollywood defending a child rapist. He thought there should be more outrage regarding the rape of a girl, long before MeToo. 

I don't remember the exact quote. IRC, he got some slack from dog lovers, but I for one respect what he said as someone who feels very protective of all animals and tries to live a cruelty-free lifestyle. That's actually something else I hope will change in time-the way animals are treated. 

[Hiyo]

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Absolutely. But I have a problem when people take being woke into SJW territory. You can't be up in arms over every single thing.

SJW is something people use to try to discredit progressive people trying to enact real change by focusing on a small minority. Also, just because SJWs exist, that doesn't mean that they don't have some valid points regarding things that do need changing.

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We went from "Racist and homophobic jokes are hilarious! If a child rape was a long time ago, let bygones be bygones!"

to

"This person was an asshole in an interview 20 years ago. Must apologize!"

Why not have some balance?

Well, racist and homophobic jokes are usually funny, provided you're not from that race being made fun of and aren't queer. I guess the balance can be if someone makes a homophobic joke, I get to punch them in the face?

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I wish the greater "we" could differentiate between an uninformed, ignorant comment (or several comments even) from someone who, if told why it was wrong, would take steps to correct it, and a man who has, over decades, abused his power over others to destroy lives and shows no indication that he thinks he did anything wrong, or tries to accuse his victims of being the the ones in the wrong. 

Very few people seem to change or actually want to change. There are some who do, yes, but it does feel like many people will double down and keep insisting they can keep commenting the way they do. 

[RealHousewife]

46 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

Well, racist and homophobic jokes are usually funny, provided you're not from that race being made fun of and aren't queer. I guess the balance can be if someone makes a homophobic joke, I get to punch them in the face?

I get offended by stuff I find mean-spirited, even when it’s not about me. I’m straight, but I’ve heard gay jokes I find hateful. My motto is if the community the joke is about isn’t laughing, it’s offensive. 

[JustHereForFood]

11 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I get offended by stuff I find mean-spirited, even when it’s not about me. I’m straight, but I’ve heard gay jokes I find hateful. My motto is if the community the joke is about isn’t laughing, it’s offensive. 

Mine is if someone from that community isn't making that joke, then it is offensive.

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, JustHereForFood said:

Mine is if someone from that community isn't making that joke, then it is offensive.

I like this too. 

Taking back to topic, I recommend Secrets of Playboy. Some of the content isn't surprising for anyone familiar with Hefner, but it's still crazy what men got away with. 

https://people.com/crime/don-cornelius-former-soul-train-host-accused-of-sexual-assault-in-secrets-of-playboy-docuseries/

Edited February 1, 2022 by RealHousewife

[aradia22]

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Secrets of Playboy, a new ten-part docuseries on A&E, exposes the dark underbelly of Playboy and Hefner himself.

Hefner started Playboy magazine in 1953, when he was 27 years old. [...] During the sexual revolution of the ’60s, Playboy was hailed as a trailblazing force, breaking with puritanical American norms at a time when single women were denied contraceptives. Hefner championed abortion and LGBTQ rights, and gave a platform to notable Black writers and activists, including Malcolm X and James Baldwin. But as the empire continued to spin out, the magazine eventually lost its shine. (In 2015, the company briefly stopped publishing nude pictorials, and after talks of the magazine closing down altogether, it’s now making a rebranded comeback, replete with gender- and sexual-fluidity initiatives, a millennial-minded feminist gaze, and Cardi B as creative director.)

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In the docuseries, Hefner’s former girlfriend and Girls Next Door star Holly Madison describes mansion life as “cultlike.” Madison recalls being drawn in by the promise of sorority and family, and also claims that everyone who came to the mansion was photographed and videotaped without their consent, particularly in the bedroom. According to Sondra Theodore, Hefner’s girlfriend from 1976–1981, Hefner “had tapes” on everyone, material that apparently functioned as collateral. In the 2000s, Madison and Playmates say they were pressed to get plastic surgery to look like each other, suggesting that the bleached-blonde conformity added to Hefner’s grand illusions of control. Madison also claimed that Hefner was fascinated by Charles Manson and owned archival footage of the Manson family.

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In an interview, Madison recalls how Hefner offered her quaaludes, which she says he called “thigh openers,” on their first night out together. She also recalls the first traumatic sexual encounter she had with him. Madison claims Hefner lay on the center of the bed while pornography played on a television screen and a group of backlit women surrounded him. Madison says that Hefner didn’t wear protection during the group sex. Madison also described these alleged sexual encounters in her 2015 memoir, Down the Rabbit Hole, writing, “It was so brief that I can’t even recall what it felt like beyond having a heavy body on top of me.”

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James Ellis, a former Playboy bodyguard, says that cleanup crews were allegedly threatened into silence for their work, which he claims ranged from covering up rapes to overdoses. Masten, who worked as a Bunny Mother from 1975 until 1982, claims she saw 40 or 50 incidents of sexual abuse “cleaned up.” Masten also claims that if a rape occurred, you had to consult with Playboy security instead of taking the victim to the hospital, all in the name of avoiding LAPD scrutiny.

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At the Playboy clubs, where many former Bunnies were proud to work, Hefner allegedly imposed strict rules between Bunnies and members or key holders: Key holders couldn’t touch the Bunnies or date them. But the rules were different for VIP celebrities, says Masten. According to her, Bunnies were encouraged to mingle and go home with VIP members. Many VIP celebrities allegedly raped Bunnies and returned to the clubs without their memberships getting revoked. Journalist Russell Miller, who interviewed several ex-Bunnies for his 1985 book Bunny: The Real Story of Playboy, alleged that Hefner also abused Bunnies and often pressured them into having anal sex. PJ Masten claimed that many of the VIPs who had sex with Bunnies sodomized them, to prevent pregnancy.

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Jennifer Saginor, author of Playground: A Childhood Lost Inside the Playboy Mansion, grew up visiting the mansion and lived there part-time with her father — Hefner’s doctor and personal friend — from age 11. According to Saginor, her father, Mark Saginor, was known among mansion insiders as “Dr. Feelgood” because of his permissiveness with drug prescriptions. When Saginor was 6, she says she witnessed an orgy at the mansion. At 16, she says she had an affair with one of Hefner’s girlfriends, which she claims he knew about. Though Saginor was a minor at the time, she says Hefner tried initiating a threesome with her and the girlfriend. Saginor says she reminded Hefner that her father was across the hall. While Hefner ultimately didn’t go through with the threesome, he apparently told Jennifer in response: “We’re all family here.”

https://www.thecut.com/article/secrets-of-playboy-docuseries-hugh-hefner-allegations.html

[Vermicious Knid]

Prince Andrew will be deposed for the civil lawsuit.

[merylinkid]

Oh please make it a video deposition so everyone can see how much he sweats.   It's a deposition.   No pre-agreed softball questions to "get his side of the story out," no ending the deposition when he thinks it isn't going his way.   Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Also side-eyeing their snark that Ms. Giuffre hasn't agreed to a date yet despite "repeated" requests.   Receipts or its didn't happen.    Because they will not stop at trying to bad mouth her for any reasons.  It won't help sway a jury all this sniping at her in the press.   It just makes her look more exploited.   So maybe shut up barristers okay?

[Rootbeer]

7 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Oh please make it a video deposition so everyone can see how much he sweats.   It's a deposition.   No pre-agreed softball questions to "get his side of the story out," no ending the deposition when he thinks it isn't going his way.   Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Also side-eyeing their snark that Ms. Giuffre hasn't agreed to a date yet despite "repeated" requests.   Receipts or its didn't happen.    Because they will not stop at trying to bad mouth her for any reasons.  It won't help sway a jury all this sniping at her in the press.   It just makes her look more exploited.   So maybe shut up barristers okay?

There is also the fact that Ms. Giuffre isn't in charge of scheduling the deposition, it is quite possible that she won't even be there.  Usually, it is the plaintiff's attorney, the defense attorney, a court reporter and the person being deposed.  The staffs of the defense and plaintiff's lawyers are going to be putting their heads together and figuring out potential dates, Ms. Giuffre is not in control of this event.  If Andrew is going to be deposed on video, then various videographers and sound technicians will also be engaged.  Then, both parties need to agree on a suitable location(s) for the deposition to take place.  There are a lot of moving parts on two different continents.  It often takes months for attorneys who work in the same town to get this together.

Chances are, all of the attorneys involved have very busy practices and perhaps a lot of pending court dates as civil courts in the US, and probably Great Britain, are still trying to catch up with cases delayed by the pandemic shut downs.

[merylinkid]

No the snark was about scheduling her depo.  

[Hiyo]

The Cosby Show was a groundbreaking show that will forever be tainted.

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The Cosby Show is so much more complicated. In the same way you can draw a line from Will and Grace to the legalization of gay marriage, you can trace a path from the Huxtable brownstone to the Obama White House; you’d be well challenged to tell the history of Black progress in America and on television without a glancing mention of the Huxtables. You could say The Cosby Show is the product of the man’s better angels. But it also ruined the careers and lives of some of the women who did and didn’t appear on the show. It’s a sad story, no doubt, but not unique to Hollywood productions. The key difference here is we know the score. And now that The Cosby Show is dead and buried along with America’s Dad, the kid in me can’t help but wonder if we will ever truly reckon with all that was lost.

 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Three time accused rapist - yes three times - that I know of - Anthony Anderson, will be on the new rebooted Law and Order.

I was excited for the reboot until I found out he's going to be on it.  This makes me so mad.

When will he be cancelled already!??!?!

Edited February 13, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[peachmangosteen]

14 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Three time accused rapist - yes three times - that I know of - Anthony Anderson ...

How did I not know this? Damn.

[Ms Blue Jay]

Someone on Twitter said that Disney is "Covering it up".  Whatever that means.  The facts are stated plainly on his Wikipedia page.  

Anthony is always showing up places, they're always giving him shit to host, and new shows to star in, it's SO ridiculous, he was even presenting "Unbelievable" as a nominee at the Emmy Awards, which by the way is a show about a girl being raped and nobody believing her.

I guess ABC/Disney decided that Anthony makes them money so they were going to ignore the allegations.

There was a renewed interest in Cosby being taken down because Hannibal Buress brought him up in a comedy show.  Now I want Hannibal to please take care of Anthony next.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[Guest]

4 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

How did I not know this? Damn.

‘Black-ish’ Star Anthony Anderson’s Disturbing History of Sexual-Assault Allegations

The first was dismissed because there was evidence the accuser was lying. The second was a lawsuit and it’s not clear how it ended. The third was dropped when the accuser declined to be interviewed after filing the initial report.

His reaction in an interview after the first was dropped told me all I need to know about him.

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When his interviewer began to joke about a time before they were in the public eye, when they could “slap the bitch and get away with it,” Anderson laughed, “Back then we could’ve put her in the trunk with some plastic and took her for a little ride.” The actor continued, “You can’t even call nobody a bitch no more, it’s a lawsuit,” appearing to agree with his interviewer’s nostalgia for those good old days.

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Guest

[merylinkid]

He was all over the Super Bowl yesterday, even being interviewed because NBC was hosting this year.   They promoted the hell out of L & O coming back.   Of ALL the people they could get to return why HIM?   Or you know, say "hey its 10 freaking years since we last checked in with these folks, here is a WHOLE NEW CAST."   Nope, they had to go with the alleged rapist (funny how he just keeps getting accused when there are men out there not even accused ONCE).  

[bluegirl147]

52 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

 Nope, they had to go with the alleged rapist (funny how he just keeps getting accused when there are men out there not even accused ONCE

Yep.  There have been men who have been cancelled for just one allegation. But for some reason AA keeps being the given the benefit of the doubt by projects that keep hiring him. 

21 hours ago, Dani said:

When his interviewer began to joke about a time before they were in the public eye, when they could “slap the bitch and get away with it,” Anderson laughed, “Back then we could’ve put her in the trunk with some plastic and took her for a little ride.” The actor continued, “You can’t even call nobody a bitch no more, it’s a lawsuit,” appearing to agree with his interviewer’s nostalgia for those good old days.

This alone would make me not want to work with him.  Even if he thinks he is joking it is not funny.

[ouinason]

I honestly don't understand cancel culture or, mostly, why one celebrity is called out for a behavior and another is not.  Why is someone canceled, but another person, who has made no bones about doing terrible things not?  For example, why is Eminem still a thing?  He has basically made an entire career on the back of being horrible/abusive to his ex.

 

I just don't understand the lines.

[Stats Queen]

12 hours ago, ouinason said:

I honestly don't understand cancel culture or, mostly, why one celebrity is called out for a behavior and another is not.  Why is someone canceled, but another person, who has made no bones about doing terrible things not?  For example, why is Eminem still a thing?  He has basically made an entire career on the back of being horrible/abusive to his ex.

 

I just don't understand the lines.

The lines are squiggly, that why you don’t understand them. They make no sense.

So people are accused of one thing that happened decades ago without corrobation and are shunned and canceled while others with several accusations are free and clear of the cancel police.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Stats Queen

[Irlandesa]

I think it's pretty clear.  The biggest factor has been the victims' willingness to go to the press.  And that creates a concerted effort around talking about it.  It raises the profile of the accusations.

People do talk about Anthony Anderson but it's haphazard.  There's no concerted push. 

I suspect his time will come but there's no set timeline.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Irlandesa

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Stats Queen said:

So people are accused of one thing that happened decades ago without corrobation and are shunned and canceled while others with several accusations are free and clear of the cancel police.

Who has been accused of one thing decades ago without corroboration and been shunned and canceled? I can’t think of anyone who fits that description. 

43 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I think it's pretty clear.  The biggest factor has been the victims' willingness to go to the press.  And that creates a concerted effort around talking about it.  It raises the profile of the accusations.

People do talk about Anthony Anderson but it's haphazard.  There's no concerted push. 

I suspect his time will come but there's no set timeline.

I think this is really the determining factor. Armie Hammer is a good example. It started out being seen as something to laugh at and he probably could have weathered it until the women came forward with specifics. 

[andromeda331]

On 2/13/2022 at 7:59 AM, peachmangosteen said:

How did I not know this? Damn.

I didn't either. That's horrible. I've been so looking forward to the Law & Order reboot. 

2 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

I think it's pretty clear.  The biggest factor has been the victims' willingness to go to the press.  And that creates a concerted effort around talking about it.  It raises the profile of the accusations.

People do talk about Anthony Anderson but it's haphazard.  There's no concerted push. 

I suspect his time will come but there's no set timeline.

I hope it's soon.

[possibilities]

Of course, if the industry cared about the issue, it would pay attention to allegations that are already public, and not wait until it's too late and there is a lot of public pressure in an organized way. These people have expensive contracts and productions that depend on the stars, and they put all kinds of things in their contracts, to protect them from losses. But widely known allegations aren't enough to give them pause until there's a massive groundswell that forces their hands. They'd check on things like this, and not just ignore it as much as they can get away with.

Edited February 15, 2022 by possibilities

[Guest]

On 2/14/2022 at 7:18 AM, ouinason said:

I honestly don't understand cancel culture or, mostly, why one celebrity is called out for a behavior and another is not.  Why is someone canceled, but another person, who has made no bones about doing terrible things not?  For example, why is Eminem still a thing?  He has basically made an entire career on the back of being horrible/abusive to his ex.

 

I just don't understand the lines.

The bolded part is actually really logical in a sad way. People who wear their dysfunction like a badge of honor are a lot harder to cancel because their money and support comes from people who already know and don’t give a shit. People in certain areas of fame are nearly impossible to cancel. Marilyn Manson is a prime example. Most of the people who would like to have canceled him once women began coming forward can’t because they never supported him to begin with. If they have crossed over into the mainstream they can take a small hit but their core support will always be there.

Cancel culture is never going to touch extremely insular communities like rappers and hip hop artists. It took R. Kelly being thrown in jail for him to be canceled. 

I feel like race also really complicates it. When someone is extremely influential and positive for your community it is very hard to believe the worst. I’m Asian and I have to admit I really struggled when there was an accusation against George Takei. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Guest

[Zella]

15 minutes ago, Dani said:

It took R. Kelly being thrown in jail for him to be canceled. 

And stories were out there about him in the 90s, but it still took over 20 years for anything to happen. That was one of the things I found most shocking about the book Soulless. How well documented a lot of his behavior was at the time. But nobody seemed to care. :( 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Zella

[Hiyo]

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I have to admit I really struggled when there was an accusation against George Takei

Understandable, even if it ended up being not quite an example of assault.

[Popples]

 

[Lugal]

On 2/14/2022 at 8:18 AM, ouinason said:

I honestly don't understand cancel culture or, mostly, why one celebrity is called out for a behavior and another is not.  Why is someone canceled, but another person, who has made no bones about doing terrible things not?

James Gunn made some shit-posting tweets a decade ago and is shunned by Marvel/Disney.  He seemed legitimately contrite, and to have learned and grown as a person, and is allowed back to helm one of the MCU's most lucrative sub-franchises.

Mel Gibson has a very long history of misogyny, racism and anti-Semitism, before he was finally shunned by Hollywood, and he never really seeming to disavow said misogyny and racism. (In fact, I think most of us are just waiting until he goes off again). But then he made a financially successful movie and has seemingly been welcomed back to the fold.

I think I found the common denominator.

[Irlandesa]

8 hours ago, Lugal said:

James Gunn made some shit-posting tweets a decade ago and is shunned by Marvel/Disney.  He seemed legitimately contrite, and to have learned and grown as a person, and is allowed back to helm one of the MCU's most lucrative sub-franchises.

That situation was weird.  He made some bad tweets and apologized for them at a later date.  Maybe a few years laster? Neither his tweets or his apology made much of an impression in the greater scheme of things--probably because he wasn't really well known.   But then someone discovered the tweets after Guardians became a massive hit and he had to reapologize?  Is that even a word?  Even though he had already shown contrition before it became a massive thing.  But Disney still, temporarily, fired him from the next movie. 

It was like he had to do a remake of his original apologies because he was more of a name and had a bigger budget.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Irlandesa

[possibilities]

Sincere people always have a way to redeem themselves, but it takes work, and it depends on how bad the original transgressions were. If you made a stupid comment, a sincere retraction might be enough. If you actually raped or otherwise violently assaulted someone, then yes, it will take a lot more and maybe you can't ever fully return to the same place you were before. But when you are genuinely remorseful, you will actually want to make amends and you will put in the effort to figure out how to do that. 

This is just basic decency that we were all supposed to learn as children but apparently a lot of people didn't get the message. So now they have to learn it as adults, when they have more power and thus do more damage when they err. But hey! That's the price you pay for living in a decent society and being an adult. You have to learn conscience and consequences. It's tough, but the alternative is wanton destruction without any kind of checks on it. 

It seems to me that a certain segment of the population wants that kind of unchecked power. Well boo hoo. They've had it too long and the pain they feel when held accountable is nothing like the pain they've caused to others, so why should anybody care about that? If they don't care about the trouble they make, it's absurd that they expect others to care about the inconvenience they experience when it comes back on them.

[CrazyInAlabama]

I read an article that claims the settlement amount from Andrew is actually 14 million U.S., and part of the money is from the Queen.    People magazine claims the settlement will not change Andrew's status with patronages, and duties.     

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/prince-andrew-is-paying-virginia-giuffre-settlement-using-funds-from-the-queen-report-says/ar-AATVkJa?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnb7Kz

Edited February 16, 2022 by CrazyInAlabama

[BlackberryJam]

2 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I read an article that claims the settlement amount from Andrew is actually 14 million U.S., and part of the money is from the Queen.    People magazine claims the settlement will not change Andrew's status with patronages, and duties.     

It's not going to change his status with patronages and duties because he was already stripped of those and almost all of his royal duties were dropped as well. What a disingenuous statement. "He has no patronages and only one remaining duty, but, clutch your pearls, ANDREW'S PATRONAGES AND DUTIES WILL NOT CHANGE because of the settlement." Ugh.

Look, I'm all for Andrew drowning in a gutter water mix of creamed corn vomit and three day old horse piss, but People magazine is a pile crap. I also think he should be removed as someone eligible to be appointed a Counselor of State*, his one remaining royal duty. 

*Just a heads up on that, there are 4 counselors of state currently: Chaz, Willz, Haz and the Big Gross Pedophile. If Betty wants she can delegate duties to them should she become ill or absent from the UK. The counselors are then supposed to act together, and if they can't, it takes at least two in agreement to do something. And their powers are super limited.

If Betty becomes incapacitated, there is a whole procedure for declaring her incapacitated which requires at least three of a big long list of officials to agree she's zoinked, then Chaz becomes Regent, or if no Chaz, then Willz, if no Willz, then Haz, if no Haz, then the Big Gross Pedophile. So being stressed about the Big Gross Pedophile becoming Regent or acting as Counselor of State is like being stressed about the Secretary of State becoming President.  Andrew absolutely needs removed, and Bea will take his place, but I don't think it's anything to wig out about just yet. 

 

WOOOPS Edit because I'm the wrong forum for the rest of this. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by BlackberryJam
Wrong forum. Edit2: Removed politician name.

[Hiyo]

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It's not going to change his status with patronages and duties because he was already stripped of those and almost all of his royal duties were dropped as well. What a disingenuous statement. "He has no patronages and only one remaining duty, but, clutch your pearls, ANDREW'S PATRONAGES AND DUTIES WILL NOT CHANGE because of the settlement." Ugh.

It's possible they meant the settlement won't have his already stripped patronages and duties reinstated.

Meanwhile, more and more people in York are wanting him to be stripped of his Duke of York title as well.

[Guest]

15 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

That situation was weird.  He made some bad tweets and apologized for them at a later date.  Maybe a few years laster? Neither his tweets or his apology made much of an impression in the greater scheme of things--probably because he wasn't really well known.   But then someone discovered the tweets after Guardians became a massive hit and he had to reapologize?  Is that even a word?  Even though he had already shown contrition before it became a massive thing.  But Disney still, temporarily, fired him from the next movie. 

I’ve heard that it was the result of several progressive celebs who are vocal on social media being targeted to be canceled. Apparently there is evidence of it on 4chan and a now banned subreddit. People posting there who talked of targeting Dan Harmon in retaliation for Rosanne Barr. The Guardian had an article on it a few years ago with the details of other celebs targeted by the same blogger and conspiracy theorist who brought Gunn’s tweets back up. 

[Vermicious Knid]

The settlement is confidential, so the amounts being thrown around are just guesses. I'm sure it is in the millions. Andy and Fergie recently sold their Swiss chalet, the only property he personally owned, and therefore the only thing available to be easily liquidated, which is said to be worth £17 or £18 million. That's something like $24 million.

[Jaded]

Horatio Sanz’s Sexual-Assault Accuser Speaks Out: ‘He Abused Me All Over SNL’

[JustHereForFood]

On 2/16/2022 at 6:39 PM, Hiyo said:

Meanwhile, more and more people in York are wanting him to be stripped of his Duke of York title as well.

Not surprised. I hope they succeed as soon as possible. I wouldn't want that person to be associated with my home either. Not to mention that the whole thing with titles linked to places the person is not from is both laughable and incredibly insulting in the first place.

[Guest]

On 2/16/2022 at 9:39 AM, Hiyo said:

Meanwhile, more and more people in York are wanting him to be stripped of his Duke of York title as well.

Understandably but that seems really unlikely. Stripping him of the title would require an Act of Parliament. For now they seem to be hoping they can pressure him into giving it up voluntarily. 

[MissAlmond]

Jean-Luc Brunel, the former French model agent and Jeffrey Epstein associate was found hanged in his prison cell.  

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/epstein-associate-jean-luc-brunel-dead-suicide-prison-cell-1310207/

https://news.sky.com/story/jean-luc-brunel-jeffrey-epstein-associate-is-found-dead-in-french-prison-12545962

 

Edited February 19, 2022 by MissAlmond

[BetterButter]

Jerry Lewis’s Costars Speak Out: “He Grabbed Me. He Began to Fondle Me. I Was Dumbstruck”

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Women first interviewed by the directors behind Allen v. Farrow say the comedy icon sexually harassed—and in at least one case, sexually assaulted—them with impunity. A special collaboration, including a mini doc, between V.F. and the filmmakers.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

10 minutes ago, BetterButter said:

Jerry Lewis’s Costars Speak Out: “He Grabbed Me. He Began to Fondle Me. I Was Dumbstruck”

 

I have zero problem believing this. 

[Prairie Rose]

4 minutes ago, Superclam said:

I have zero problem believing this. 

Me, neither. I always picked up a weird vibe from him.

[rcc]

Not surprised by Lewis either. He came off so phony to me. 

[SusanM]

I have never liked Jerry Lewis.  He treated his own family badly, hardly surprised that he behaved like this to others.