S09.E31: Reunion Part 1

[druzy]

Chelsea and Leah meet Jade and discuss their similarities. Kail defends her parenting decisions and Briana reveals where things really went wrong with John. Later, Leah is joined by Jeremy on stage and discuss their relationship status.

Airs December 3, 2019

[ghoulina]

Brianna and Kail are two identical losers. 

I hate to say it, but I kind of believe Leah and Germy about Cory and Miranda. I didn't realize he was working from home and sets his own schedule. That makes it pretty shitty that he's not going to appointments. 

Wow, Jade's dad committed suicide why she wishes her mom had helped him more. Explains so much about her relationship with Sean. I can't help but feel for her. I think she's a genuinely good person, just broken. 

[druzy]

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There’s another Teen Mom 2 Feud brewin’ down in the Holler!

Corey Simms was not happy after hearing Jeremy Calvert and Leah Messer talk about him and his wife Miranda during Tuesday night’s ‘Teen Mom 2’ Season 9B Reunion special. In fact, he even took to Twitter to blast Jeremy, Leah and MTV for their parts in what was shown during the episode, and deny the claims made about Miranda.

“The bull crap stops now!” Corey– who rarely tweets– posted on Tuesday night. “I’m so sick of constantly sitting back and rolling with the punches and me and my wife being dragged through the mud. There is SOOOO much more to this whole story.”

Corey is referring to a conversation that Jeremy and Leah had with Dr. Drew Pinsky during the Reunion. When Dr. Drew asked Jeremy if he and Corey were still chummy, Jeremy replied with a quick “nope!” He then clarified that, “We get along but I just don’t agree with some s**t.”

Of course, Dr. Drew was all up in that, attempting to finally earn his Reunion paycheck. He got Jeremy to further explain.

“[Leah] is the only one who goes to [their daughter] Ali’s [doctor] appointments,” Jeremy said. “Corey hasn’t attended Ali’s appointment in Columbus in who knows how long…

“I just feel like [Corey] uses [Leah] all the time,” Jeremy later added. “He still could make an effort to go [to Ali’s appointments]. I don’t care if it’s a two-minute appointment. At least show your presence for your child.I can’t be there for Addie for so much and it hurts my feelings, because of my job. And Corey has a f**king great schedule; he works at home. And he can take off whenever he f**king wants to!” 

Jeremy and Leah then turned on Miranda.

“[Leah] can’t take the twins to their stepmom [Miranda]. She has to wait for Corey. [Miranda] wants zero to do with the twins,” Jeremy added. “Zero. And that’s obvious to anybody in the world.”

Dr. Drew found Jeremy’s story hard to believe, but Leah confirmed that she thinks “there’s something definitely going on…I would love to have a better relationship with both of them. Because I think, even at a softball game [we’re all at], the kids feel that tension [between us all]. 

“It’s like when Miranda arrives, Corey’s entire family will stop talking to me and we all separate,” she added. 

“When the queen arrives, it goes bad!” Jeremy piped in.

“Leah, queen of the ‘Monkey’ don’t have no room to talk!”

Leah and Miranda have always had a rather contemptuous relationship (most likely stemming back to this incident), but Corey was angry that Leah and Jeremy said Miranda didn’t want to be around his daughters. 

“Oh wow!! Blood pressure so high right now!!” Corey wrote. “Miranda has been nothing but great to Ali and Aleeah since the very beginning, constantly making sure that everything the girls need or want they get. Loving and caring for them unconditionally. The girls never once came to me about any issues of such. And for Mr. Dad of the year to run his mouth about not going to doctors appointments.. how many have you been to there big guy??”

Corey continued, stating that even though Miranda isn’t shown on ‘Teen Mom 2’ hanging out with the girls, she’s still a great stepmom.

“Miranda has been in the girls lives since they were 2 years old, she has cared for them the same all the way through.. she loves them as her own and treats them as her own,” Corey wrote. “Just because Miranda has chose to be absent from the show does not mean that she treats the girls awful.”

Corey also had a bone to pick with MTV. He claimed the network didn’t allow him to Skype into the Reunion taping to allow him to give his side of the story.

“Also props to @MTV @TeenMom2 for making sure there wasn’t enough time for me to Skype in,” he wrote.

Corey added that Miranda was very upset when she heard what Jeremy and Leah said about her.

“The only good in this whole situation is that the step parents and split families can relate,” he wrote. “This has bothered my wife Miranda deeply because it came out of left field and is a direct attack on her as a person.”

“The thing about living your normal lives off camera (which we try to do) is that it rolls into our lives in the real world,” Corey wrote. “People judge you and treat you differently based off what little info the get off a reality TV show.

“And btw Miranda IS my Queen,” Corey wrote. “I love her more than words can describe. She is my rock. She is the glue that holds the family together here at the Simms’ household. She puts her self on the back burner all the time and makes sure that my girls and myself is taken care of. She would never do anything to cause harm or hurt any feelings of anyone.

“The girls have not once asked to contact their mom and been told no. Idk this is all just really mind blowing and hurtful. There is way too much info to process right now. We shouldn’t have to defend ourselves like this. We know who we are as people and as parents.”

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He then vowed to attend the next ‘Teen Mom 2’ Reunion, no matter what.

“Oh, you’ll see this mug again! Count on it!”

“So much more to say.. maybe save it all for another season??” Corey wrote. “And FYI idc if I have to take unpaid days from my full time job.. I WILL BE AT THE NEXT REUNION…I spend my vacation time with my family doing things to make memories not to go to some bs reunion show.”

Jeremy and Leah have yet to address Corey’s angry tweets but…stay tuned…

Edited December 4, 2019 by druzy

[druzy]

I didn't watch the reunion but apparently Jeremy was complaining that Corey wasn't a good father. Just last year Leah's boyfriend Dirty John was saying the same thing about Jeremy. 

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[toodywoody]

Seems funny how everytime Jeremy and Leah are on good terms with each other they trash Corey and Miranda.

Sometimes things are just better left unsaid. Number one the kids are getting older and they can access this stuff, don't be talking bad about their other family members. Number 2 there are psychos out there that could do some shit off of what they say about Corey and Miranda, look at the shit Brandon and Teresa have to go through just because of Cate and Tyler. 

[Tatum]

Shut up Leah and Jeremy.

Even if what they say is true, and Corey doesn't go to appts (which I agree he really should, at least some of them), there is ZERO need to trot that out at the reunion. They are both so trashy and immature. 

And absolutely a punk move to lob accusations like that on a medium where the accused has no method of rebuttal.

This is why I roll my eyes whenever I hear how Leah has grown. She's rapidly approaching 30 and still pulling this junior high shit, to the detriment of her own kids. Hey Leah, you know what might  make things less awkward at the next softball game you're at? Maybe not insulting your ex and his wife on national TV with a bunch of complaints taken out of context or exaggerated.

[Evie]

Whether there is truth to what Leah and Jeremy said or not they should have kept their mouths shut. Miranda is not on the show, none of this played out onscreen, and Miranda and Corey were not there to defend themselves. Hey, Jeremy, you remember all those times you were mad because Leah complained about you at the reunion? Your time will come again. He's had nothing to do with the twins since the divorce, and I doubt he hardly ever sees Miranda and Corey. He was repeating stuff Leah has said and Leah was enjoying going "Jeremy!" and acting like she wouldn't have said it. But she would love to have a better relationship with them ...

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[BitterApple]

Technically Adam, Chris, Jo and Javi aren't on the show, but they're brought up as topics of conversation all the time, both in episodes and at reunions. I'm not sure why Cory should be considered off limits?

Leah and Jeremy are petty a/f, but if Cory isn't going to Ali's doctor's appointments, then shame on him. Jeremy may not be able to attend the routine stuff for Addie, but he works out of state and his daughter doesn't have a terminal illness. 

[Tatum]

34 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I'm not sure why Cory should be considered off limits?

I think Leah should not be trashing Corey on national TV, because it's only going to strain her relationship with him further and that punishes two innocent kids, far more than it punishes Corey. Not only that, Ali and Gracie may not care to have their business splashed out like that on TV. But seeing that would require a maturity Leah has never possessed, and probably never will.

ETA:

Also, context is important. Jeremy was saying Corey hasn't gone to see Dr. Tsao in however long. I am not sure how often Leah takes Ali t the specialist- if it's monthly or annually, or just somewhat sporadically. I think it's about a 3-4 hour drive each way and Leah usually spends the night in Columbus.  It may well have been a case where the last visit was some time ago and Corey honestly had to miss that one due to illness or something like that, and so it has been awhile since he's been, but he really only missed one appt. Or something like that.

I just find Corey a lot more credible than either Leah or Jeremy,

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[Jax7917]

the most surprising thing I heard during rhe reunion was that Javi doesn't want to film anymore. Is this the same famewhore Javi we know?

[Tatum]

2 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

the most surprising thing I heard during rhe reunion was that Javi doesn't want to film anymore. Is this the same famewhore Javi we know?

They always say that. They always get pissed about some injustice done to them and say they don't want to be filmed. Chelsea was saying years ago that she's so over filming and she's going to quit once she got married. Yet, here we are.

None of these people will walk away. It'll get cancelled first.

[Jax7917]

27 minutes ago, Tatum said:

They always say that. They always get pissed about some injustice done to them and say they don't want to be filmed. Chelsea was saying years ago that she's so over filming and she's going to quit once she got married. Yet, here we are.

None of these people will walk away. It'll get cancelled first.

Yeah that is true but Javi actually didn't film this season. 

The best justice there was was how Jenelle has been threatening to leave for years and eventually she had no choice in the matter. I guarantee she'll think twice about threatening to leave again if she gets rehired. 

[Mr. Miner]

Karl and Brianna are disgusting on the show. They manage to be more disgusting at the reunions.

[eskimo]

Are we allowed to talk about previews in the TM threads?  I know we can't on other shows, but since TM airs months after everything plays out on SM, is it different for this show?

[Tatum]

28 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

Yeah that is true but Javi actually didn't film this season. 

The best justice there was was how Jenelle has been threatening to leave for years and eventually she had no choice in the matter. I guarantee she'll think twice about threatening to leave again if she gets rehired. 

My bet is that MTV didn't actually offer Javi a contract and now he's just saying he doesn't want to be filmed. But that's just speculation.

I mean, this is a guy who allegedly intentionally got a girl-that he just met- pregnant in the hopes of getting his own MTV storyline.

[Brooklynista]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

Karl and Brianna are disgusting on the show. They manage to be more disgusting at the reunions.

Its comical how the two of them are trying to convince people the men in their lives give a shit about them. Really Briana, the reason Louis doesn't come around is because he wants a family with you? Girl. You probably aren't even saved in his favorites on his phone.

And Kail wants us to believe Chris wanted to fight Javi over her??? Chris could give a shit about Kail. All he needs to know is when the pool is available.

[heatherchandler]

What the hell is going on with Chris that he is seeing a therapist, and he is getting himself well enough to see Lux??  Sooo he's not seeing his son and that's A-ok with you Karl?? 

And she still doesn't know if he has another kid or not?  What the hell??

[Jax7917]

25 minutes ago, Brooklynista said:

Its comical how the two of them are trying to convince people the men in their lives give a shit about them. Really Briana, the reason Louis doesn't come around is because he wants a family with you? Girl. You probably aren't even saved in his favorites on his phone.

And Kail wants us to believe Chris wanted to fight Javi over her??? Chris could give a shit about Kail. All he needs to know is when the pool is available.

Kail and Briana are super bitchy at reunions. They make it as if providing answers to questions isn't their job. Enough with the " i don't want to talk about that" or nasty rolling of their eyes. Kail is always a witch but pumps it up for  every reunion show. Briana seems like a decent person on the show but gets in bitch mode for the reunions. 

I honestly think Briana is going to just end up with her mom and sister. She gets knocked up by losers and she was dating John who seemed to be a decent guy and decided she just wasn't into him out of nowhere. I'm sure she will get pregnant by a rando again, but I think she's destined to end up with the mom and sister.

[eskimo]

35 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

she was dating John who seemed to be a decent guy and decided she just wasn't into him out of nowhere

I don't think she decided out of nowhere, I think she realized that he was looking for a partner in life rather than a boss, and she wants to be the boss.  It was pretty much over for her when he didn't leave NY the second she was ready.  Final nail was when he wanted her to meet his family and she was reminded that he has family and friends that he would like to maintain relationships with.  She's not interested in merging two lives, but rather absorbing a man solely into her circle.  Sacrifices must be made for her highness, she will make none. 

[kicksave]

2 hours ago, Tatum said:

They always say that. They always get pissed about some injustice done to them and say they don't want to be filmed. Chelsea was saying years ago that she's so over filming and she's going to quit once she got married. Yet, here we are.

None of these people will walk away. It'll get cancelled first.

So true...how many times has Amber threatened to quit filming? and Jenelle? and Farrah? All threatened to quit, all quite vociferously, but in the end, they were kicked off. Although, I'm not sure about Amber...is she still on the show?

[Mkay]

1 hour ago, heatherchandler said:

What the hell is going on with Chris that he is seeing a therapist, and he is getting himself well enough to see Lux??  Sooo he's not seeing his son and that's A-ok with you Karl?? 

And she still doesn't know if he has another kid or not?  What the hell??

Chris has posted snaps with Lux.  Kail went to their house for Thanksgiving. So I don’t totally believe Kail. I don’t believe any of these girls.  
 

If I remember right Javi isn’t filming because of his business.  It’s also probably a bit of embarrassment with being caught in the bathroom with another girl.  I’d never show my face again.  

[kicksave]

1 hour ago, Jaclyn88 said:

Kail and Briana are super bitchy at reunions. They make it as if providing answers to questions isn't their job. Enough with the " i don't want to talk about that" or nasty rolling of their eyes. Kail is always a witch but pumps it up for  every reunion show. Briana seems like a decent person on the show but gets in bitch mode for the reunions. 

I honestly think Briana is going to just end up with her mom and sister. She gets knocked up by losers and she was dating John who seemed to be a decent guy and decided she just wasn't into him out of nowhere. I'm sure she will get pregnant by a rando again, but I think she's destined to end up with the mom and sister.

I think you're right. She doesn't know how to have a healthy relationship. She didn't have a father in her life so she has Daddy issues and abandonment issues. Her comfort zone is with her sister and mother. She will never leave the coven. But I think she probably will get pregnant again with another loser guy that will never be a constant in the child's life. This is what she knows. She gets a ton of attention from her sister and mother when she gets pregnant and has the baby and then falls right back to the non relationship with the baby daddy who never shows up financially or emotionally for the child. The pattern of behavior from her and the men she has children with fit a pattern of her own psychopathy...she didn't have a Dad in her life and kids don't either...she was abandoned by her father and so to are her daughters. In order to break this cycle she needs to be in therapy and get some insight into her issues and fix it. 

[kicksave]

2 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

Its comical how the two of them are trying to convince people the men in their lives give a shit about them. Really Briana, the reason Louis doesn't come around is because he wants a family with you? Girl. You probably aren't even saved in his favorites on his phone.

And Kail wants us to believe Chris wanted to fight Javi over her??? Chris could give a shit about Kail. All he needs to know is when the pool is available.

OMG! Kail is so full of herself...so these two asshats are fighting over you? Really? Sure Kail...and I see she is giving relationship advice on Twitter to Jenelle's ex Courtland. This is why this show is a joke now. People like Kail think they are a some kind of business tycoon/relationship expert. Meanwhile, she has never had a successful relationship, male or female, ever.

[teapot]

8 minutes ago, kicksave said:

. She gets a ton of attention from her sister and mother when she gets pregnant and has the baby and then falls right back to the non relationship with the baby daddy who never shows up financially or emotionally for the child.

I think she's a spoiled bitch who's been catered to her whole life.

sorry. 

It also annoys me that she says she "doesn't care" what she looks like when she's ON TV!  For God's sake, be like the Kardashians in the early seasons & wear a gown to watch TV, dammit!  what are they paying you all of this money for?

What on earth would the Coven do if one of the girls ended up having a *gasp* boy-child?  yikes!!

[ghoulina]

15 hours ago, druzy said:

And for Mr. Dad of the year to run his mouth about not going to doctors appointments.. how many have you been to there big guy??”

I mean......Jeremy did get super involved when Addie had that weird infection/lump in her neck. He was there at the hospital and everything. 

But his kid doesn't have a serious, chronic condition like Cory's does. I wouldn't expect Jeremy to attend all the regular check-ups. 

But notice Cory didn't explain his lack of presence, just tried to deflect. 

I'm kind of losing my patience with him. 

4 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Technically Adam, Chris, Jo and Javi aren't on the show, but they're brought up as topics of conversation all the time, both in episodes and at reunions. I'm not sure why Cory should be considered off limits?

Exactly. 

I mean, yea, the kids shouldn't have to see this stuff. But then that applies to the entire show, in general. So going with the situation they're all already in, I didn't see a difference myself. 

2 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

Really Briana, the reason Louis doesn't come around is because he wants a family with you?

You mean after he tried to persuade her to give their kid up for adoption? Ummmmm, okay, Brianna. 

[Tatum]

29 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I mean, yea, the kids shouldn't have to see this stuff. But then that applies to the entire show, in general. So going with the situation they're all already in, I didn't see a difference myself.

Well, Leah is the one crying about how awkward it is when she sees Corey and Miranda at the girlses' softball games. I have to imagine going on national TV to insult your ex and his wife doesn't really help.

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Dr. Drew found Jeremy’s story hard to believe, but Leah confirmed that she thinks “there’s something definitely going on…I would love to have a better relationship with both of them. Because I think, even at a softball game [we’re all at], the kids feel that tension [between us all]. 

She sure has an unusual way about going about having a better relationship with them.

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[akr]

38 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

You mean after he tried to persuade her to give their kid up for adoption? Ummmmm, okay, Brianna. 

It was Brianna who was considering putting her second baby up for adoption - Louis said absolutely not. Basically the only time I can remember him saying he'd be around to help out was when she raised the possibility of adoption.

[Tatum]

Corey's dad posted a picture of Ali at Nationwide Children's hospital on 11/21, says it's a tradition that she pose by a certain hotel landmark every time they go. No word on if Corey was there, but it sounds like the whole clan has their traditions.

My guess is, Corey missed the last appt for whatever reason, and the previous visit to Dr. Tsao was months earlier, which is why Jeremy said Corey hasn't been to Columbus in who knows how long. That is a deliberately misleading sentence, particularly for someone who IS involved in their kids' day to day activities.

[geauxaway]

44 minutes ago, Tatum said:

Corey's dad posted a picture of Ali at Nationwide Children's hospital on 11/21, says it's a tradition that she pose by a certain hotel landmark every time they go. No word on if Corey was there, but it sounds like the whole clan has their traditions.

My guess is, Corey missed the last appt for whatever reason, and the previous visit to Dr. Tsao was months earlier, which is why Jeremy said Corey hasn't been to Columbus in who knows how long. That is a deliberately misleading sentence, particularly for someone who IS involved in their kids' day to day activities.

It’s also equally deceptive for Leah and Jeremy to refer to Corey as “working at home,” as if he is working FROM home and can come and go as he pleases.  Corey has to punch a clock, has planned breaks and PTO, has set work days and hours.  Just because Corey doesn’t work 5 states away doesn’t make his job any less demanding.  

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[Tatum]

18 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

It’s also equally deceptive for Leah and Jeremy to refer to Corey as “working at home,” as if he is working FROM home and can come and go as he pleases.  Corey has to punch a clock, has planned breaks and PTO, has set work days and hours.  Just because Corey doesn’t work 5 states away doesn’t make his job any less demanding.  

I didn't even catch that! I was wondering how Corey could do work in his industry from home!

I think there's plenty of evidence that Corey avoids recognizing the seriousness of Ali's illness, and this is not okay. Honestly, I believe that Corey would prioritize taking off from work early to catch Ali's softball game over taking off early to hit the road to make the drive to Columbus Ohio and be lectured by Dr. Tsao on why he, along with Leah, is not following the doctor's orders. This is inexcusable, but if you ask me, Leah isn't any better just because she actually goes to the appts- it's not like she listens to Dr. Tsao either! Their stubborness and and disregard for a national specialist's medical advice is bordering on negligence and they should both equally be ashamed. But, despite what doctor Jeremy says, I have no doubt that Ali and Gracie are very secure in the fact that their father loves them.

What boils my blood about Leah is her hypocrisy. She says she wants to get along better with Corey and Miranda for the twins' sakes, then hurls a bunch of accusations about Miranda when Miranda is not present to defend herself.  Gee, Leah, can't imagine why she doesn't like you.

But let's be real. Leah has no interest in getting along with Miranda. She has interest in looking to her fans like she's the bigger person, while continuing to fan whatever fire against Miranda that she can. Kail pulls the same BS all the time and it's equally transparent.

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[Mr. Miner]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

She sure has an unusual way about going about having a better relationship with them.

That's because she is, you know, dumb.

[Tatum]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

That's because she is, you know, dumb.

Haha, unusual is my "Minnesota passive aggressive nice" way of calling her stupid.

[heatherchandler]

5 hours ago, Jaclyn88 said:

Kail and Briana are super bitchy at reunions. They make it as if providing answers to questions isn't their job. Enough with the " i don't want to talk about that" or nasty rolling of their eyes. Kail is always a witch but pumps it up for  every reunion show. Briana seems like a decent person on the show but gets in bitch mode for the reunions. 

That was driving me CRAZY!  Neither one will answer any questions.  "I plead the 5th" and "I don't want to talk about that" should not be allowed when the whole point of the stupid show is for you to explain yourself!  Why doesn't mtv tell them that they need to open up or gtfo?? 

If my boss asked for a year-end discussion and I said, "I don't want to get into that.." I would probably not be asked to return.  Why do they let these idiots do this? 

They want to present to the world some kind of picture-perfect life, and edit out anything they don't like or find embarrassing.  Maybe they don't realize that is what is interesting. 

And again I ask, why do I watch? 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

5 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

What the hell is going on with Chris that he is seeing a therapist, and he is getting himself well enough to see Lux??  Sooo he's not seeing his son and that's A-ok with you Karl?? 

I think this must be whatever Chris spews when he's hanging out with his main chick rather than side chick Kail: "Oh, I'd totally come over but my therapist says I need to 'work on myself' before I see him for a while."  

He's suddenly "well" when he & the main chick are "off" again and/or he needs use of the pool/money/a new dog/a nice place to crash/a free trip.

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And she still doesn't know if he has another kid or not?  What the hell??

This is so freaking trashy.  Someone call Maury and get Chris & Kail booked on a liar detector episode so this can be sorted out. 

I guess maybe when Chris is too unwell to be around Lux, he might be playing daddy with another possible kid.  Kail, you are better than this.  This is embarrassing and you're putting it all out there for everyone to see on TV.  Where's that pride, Ms. Pride over Pity (one of her book titles)? Do better and stop embarrassing yourself over this guy who isn't half as much into you as you are into him.

4 hours ago, Mkay said:

Chris has posted snaps with Lux.  Kail went to their house for Thanksgiving. So I don’t totally believe Kail. I don’t believe any of these girls.  

Kail probably called his aunt or mom and weaseled herself an invitation by lamenting how she has no family of her own and Suzi is an alcoholic who puts her boyfriends before her, etc.  I wouldn't put it past Kail to foot the bill for an entire pre-cooked/catered Thanksgiving meal (or pay for the groceries if someone in the family cooked) at the Lopez family's home so she could have an excuse to "spend Thanksgiving with Chris" as if she was invited by him.  (Or Chris wanted something, so he invited Kail.)

10 hours ago, Evie said:

Whether there is truth to what Leah and Jeremy said or not they should have kept their mouths shut. 

Jeremy needs to stay in his lane. He's not Ali's stepdad anymore.  He's not married to her mother or living in the same home as Ali (even if he occasionally hooks up with Leah). He should not be speaking about his problems with Corey on national television because he isn't Ali's parent/step-parent (not that Leah should be bad-mouthing her ex, either, but Jeremy really shouldn't be).  We haven't seen him go out of his way to include his former step-daughters in his life like Javi has with Isaac & Jo/Vee, etc. Jeremy needs to keep his nose out of it.  It's not nice to speak badly about your daughter's sisters' father & stepmom on television. I'm sure that will lead to tension between the sisters.  We've already seen Gracie be a jerk to Addie about how she never sees her dad.  I'm sure Gracie's feelings about Jeremy (and unfortunately, how she'll talk about him to Addie) aren't being helped by Jeremy shit-talking her dad on TV. Gracie & Addie are going to have a hard enough time watching their other sister deteriorate health-wise.  Their mom has had issues with addiction in the past.  These two sisters are going to need each other to lean on down the road and all of this bad-mouthing of the other dad on TV (by grown people who should know better!) isn't going to help their relationship.

Edited December 4, 2019 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Jax7917]

20 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

That was driving me CRAZY!  Neither one will answer any questions.  "I plead the 5th" and "I don't want to talk about that" should not be allowed when the whole point of the stupid show is for you to explain yourself!  Why doesn't mtv tell them that they need to open up or gtfo?? 

If my boss asked for a year-end discussion and I said, "I don't want to get into that.." I would probably not be asked to return.  Why do they let these idiots do this? 

They want to present to the world some kind of picture-perfect life, and edit out anything they don't like or find embarrassing.  Maybe they don't realize that is what is interesting. 

And again I ask, why do I watch? 

Exactly . And it’s not like if their bosses demanded these things , that these girls would actually quit . These producers can get so much more out of them and can easily have them open up more about things and take the control back because let’s face the facts .. none of them would actually walk away from this gig no matter how many times they cry wolf. Why are the producers so scared of them ?

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

4 hours ago, kicksave said:

I think you're right. She doesn't know how to have a healthy relationship. She didn't have a father in her life so she has Daddy issues and abandonment issues. Her comfort zone is with her sister and mother. She will never leave the coven. But I think she probably will get pregnant again with another loser guy that will never be a constant in the child's life. This is what she knows. She gets a ton of attention from her sister and mother when she gets pregnant and has the baby and then falls right back to the non relationship with the baby daddy who never shows up financially or emotionally for the child. The pattern of behavior from her and the men she has children with fit a pattern of her own psychopathy...she didn't have a Dad in her life and kids don't either...she was abandoned by her father and so to are her daughters. In order to break this cycle she needs to be in therapy and get some insight into her issues and fix it. 

Honestly, I think that's how Briana (and The Coven) want it.  They're comfortable in their enmeshment/co-dependency; bringing in an outsider who is a healthy & mature man would mess that all up.  A man actually showing up to parent would mean they wouldn't be able to control/influence all aspects of the kids' lives.  A stand-up guy would also take some of Briana's attention away from other members of The Coven and ruin their "Us vs Them (Them = Loser Baby Daddies)" mentality. 

I don't think Briana realizes she wants it this way, but I think she does.  She chooses losers who won't stick around because she doesn't want them to.  She sabotages herself when it comes to healthy relationships in favor of some random dude in the club.  She doesn't really want to share a child with a competent, employed, mature man because then she and the coven wouldn't get to be martyrs, her kids would be exposed to familial situations to see this level of codependency isn't normal, and the dad would have some control/influence over the child's daily life (and the kids would see via example that The Coven's co-dependency isn't healthy). I don't know if she does this because she has no idea what functional families where the dad is employed, responsible, and present look like or worries how she would even navigate that kind of relationship day-to-day, but I think she subconsciously chooses losers to have kids with so she and her children can stay enmeshed with The Coven.

Edited December 4, 2019 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[pinkandsparkly13]

34 minutes ago, Jaclyn88 said:

Exactly . And it’s not like if their bosses demanded these things , that these girls would actually quit . These producers can get so much more out of them and can easily have them open up more about things and take the control back because let’s face the facts .. none of them would actually walk away from this gig no matter how many times they cry wolf. Why are the producers so scared of them ?

Yeah the producers and MTV need to actually act like their bosses. But they don't because they've made them so much money. I understand how people feel when they criticize the girls for how they talk to their "bosses", and that shouldn't be that way. But they let them get away with it. And I think they know they can get away with it because MTV is just as afraid of losing them. Sure MTV has given them opportunities to get as rich as they are, but that's only because people have watched them over the years and given them the ratings to allow them to be paid 6 figures. That's my perspective on these situations. People couldn't get away with talking to their employers like they do in real life. Saying things like "I need some fucking respect!"  "I'll quit if such and such happens!" But MTV doesn't care because they "need" them. They fall to them and pretty much let them get away with anything. It takes a lot to actually fire some girls, which is unfortunate.

[FlowerofCarnage]

So one of Corey's  family members attends if he isn't able to?  

[toodywoody]

Good for him for defending himself and not taking their shit. 

I am glad he told his side of the story about Ali's appts.

ETA my sister works from home but still has to put in her required hours and only has so much leave time. So unless Jeremy is married to Corey and knows all the facts he needs to shut it. If it is a 3 hr drive there and back and the appt takes however long, that is a whole day. But I am glad Corey explained it on Twitter or whatever because you know Dr Asswipe wouldn't have let him explain or MTV would have cut it out.

Edited December 5, 2019 by toodywoody

[Quilty]

Briana with her "wanted John to fight for their relationship ". John is acting like an adult and isn't going to play her game. She told him she didn't want to be with him then gets upset that he's respecting that. Such a strange girl.

[HeySandyStrange]

12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Technically Adam, Chris, Jo and Javi aren't on the show, but they're brought up as topics of conversation all the time, both in episodes and at reunions. I'm not sure why Cory should be considered off limits?

Leah and Jeremy are petty a/f, but if Cory isn't going to Ali's doctor's appointments, then shame on him. Jeremy may not be able to attend the routine stuff for Addie, but he works out of state and his daughter doesn't have a terminal illness. 

Actually, Corey gave a pretty good explanation here of why he can't attend every appointment for Ali in the article, he doesn't have the vacation time to waste. Most employers aren't as forgiving as MTV, and I assume Corey has to work for the benefit of Ali as well as the rest of his family. Sucks, but you can't always tell a job to go fuck themselves, cause most employers could give three fucks. And truthfully, if Ali's prognosis hasn't changed dramatically, there really isn't a reason to attend every appointment like it will be Ali's last. 

Edited December 5, 2019 by HeySandyStrange

[toodywoody]

17 minutes ago, HeySandyStrange said:

Actually, Corey gave a pretty good explanation here of why he can't attend every appointment for Ali in the article, he doesn't have the vacation time to waste. Most employers aren't as forgiving as MTV, and I assume Corey has to work for the benefit of Ali as well as the rest of his family. Sucks, but you can't always tell a job to go fuck themselves, cause most employers could give three fucks. And truthfully, if Ali's prognosis hasn't changed dramatically, there really isn't a reason to attend every appointment like it will be Ali's last. 

Also he works a real job and not one that you only work a week a month. Plus he provides the health insurance and does not need to be pissing off his employer. My employer is lenient to an extent but when you start coming in late and always missing they get pissed. I always use to save my vacation when my daughter was smaller for sick days because you have to stay home with them until they get in their teens. But once again Leah is trying to make him the bad guy when in reality he works a real M-F job and only has limited time off. He works 50 weeks a year not 12 weeks a year.

Edited December 5, 2019 by toodywoody

[kicksave]

I guess I'll weigh in on the whole Jeremy/Corey/Leah/Miranda debacle...

Jeremy is a shit stirrer. He's kind of dickish to people and has, on one more occasions bad mouthed a lot of people on this show publicly. Having said that, I'm on the fence with the exact reasons he chose to air the dirty laundry on a national TV show. I can understand how Corey and Miranda might have some resentment about how Leah goes on all of these vacays with Kail and doesn't have a job. There are probably times they feel as those they are just babysitters. On the other hand, Corey and Miranda are living private lives now and no longer are filmed so they do not deserve to be publicly bashed on the reunion show by Jeremy or Leah. This isn't helpful to the girls relationships with their Dad and his wife. It's all so trailer trashy...just stop!

[crazychicken]

I feel like I need to go watch some of the clips from the soccer mom haircut, car crapalanche days because I am pretty sure while Leah was spiralling Jeremy couldn't wait to exit the state leaving Addie living in chaos while crapping on Corey for trying to gain more custody to give the twins some stability. Leah couldn't even get the girls to school on time, was cooking raviolli at weird hours and still insisted she was the better option and only after losing primary custody of the girls and Jeremy divorcing her did she start to get help.

Poor Jeremy it hurts him to miss so much of Addie's life I didn't know his pipeline job was mandatory and he couldn't change jobs so he could spend time with Addie, if his baby wandering the neighborhood and being bought home by police was not important to schedule more time at home for I do not know what is. Corey was not the one messing with the girlses emotions for a hook up, it was not just affecting Addie but the relationship between the girlses who were arguing over who has the better daddy, if they wanted to hook up it should have been kept between them.

I think both Leah & Jeremy are good time parents they don't want to be the bad guys so are both fine with Addie running wild and calling it 'sassy'. Ali & Gracie seem to be expected to behave better at Corey's so of course the twins are going to whinge that Miranda doesn't treat  them like a friend to giggle over text messages with. I am pretty certain Pawpaw Jeff would also have somethings to say if he felt the twins were being treated poorly by Miranda even though he would probably keep it quiet. It has always perplexed me that at the start Delta Dawn felt that the Messer clan were better than the Simms, from what has been shown there is only one tradhy family and it is not the Simms.

Off topic a little I would love to know what epiphany Leah had in rehab that totally changed her outlook on Delta Dawn that she distanced herself and is still rebuilding a relationship with her mom.

[starfire]

How often does Jeremy see Addie? it seems he rarely sees her because he has chosen to commit himself to a time-consuming, unpredictable, far-away job that is not conducive to a close relationship with his daughter,

[luvbadtv]

11 hours ago, crazychicken said:

 Leah couldn't even get the girls to school on time, was cooking  opening a can of raviolli at weird hours

Fixed it for you 😉

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

11 hours ago, crazychicken said:

think both Leah & Jeremy are good time parents they don't want to be the bad guys so are both fine with Addie running wild and calling it 'sassy'. Ali & Gracie seem to be expected to behave better at Corey's so of course the twins are going to whinge that Miranda doesn't treat  them like a friend to giggle over text messages with. I am pretty certain Pawpaw Jeff would also have somethings to say if he felt the twins were being treated poorly by Miranda even though he would probably keep it quiet. It has always perplexed me that at the start Delta Dawn felt that the Messer clan were better than the Simms, from what has been shown there is only one tradhy family and it is not the Simms.

PREACH! Co-signing ALL of this.

And I think some are misunderstanding Jeremy saying Corey "works at home." He does NOT work FROM home - He doesn't actually work in his house and set his own hours.  He means Corey works at a place near his home (as opposed to out of state for weeks at a time like Jeremy).  Corey still leaves his house to go to work nearby, clocks in/out, and cannot set his own hours/take off whenever he wants.  Apparently Jeremy thinks that just because Corey's job is near his home, he can take off 2-3 days whenever he wants with no consequences to go to Cleveland Clinic (they've been shown on TV & social media in hotel rooms when they go to the clinic, so it's usually 2 days he'd need off minimum). Maybe Jeremy has never had a job close to home with set hours (as opposed to being on a job site for a set amount of weeks as a pipeliner) so he thinks other people's "regular jobs" near their homes let them take off whenever, apparently.  And Leah has only ever worked like a day or two a week for short periods in the dental office and tanning salon years ago, so she has no idea how "regular jobs" work, either. These idiots don't know what they don't know.

Also, if Ali gets health insurance through Corey's job, Leah better understand that losing that job because he took off too much would NOT be good. I know Corey isn't perfect nor is his family (especially in regards to what Ali should/should not be doing with her illness - but Leah's family seems the same way), but he has a real job supporting his wife & 3 kids and responsibilities, something Leah can't understand (and even when they were together she didn't get he had to go to work). Corey's one of the few people in the TM/TM2 franchise to continue working outside of the show - that speaks volumes about him.   (I'm not implying Jeremy's job isn't real and I applaud him for continuing to work as well.  However, he seems to think people with jobs local to their home have some kind of magical allotment of time they can take off.)

Edited December 5, 2019 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Tatum]

7 hours ago, starfire said:

How often does Jeremy see Addie? it seems he rarely sees her because he has chosen to commit himself to a time-consuming, unpredictable, far-away job that is not conducive to a close relationship with his daughter,

11 hours ago, crazychicken said:

Poor Jeremy it hurts him to miss so much of Addie's life I didn't know his pipeline job was mandatory and he couldn't change jobs so he could spend time with Addie...

OK, this comes from spiraling Leah, so take this with a grain of salt, but one of her biggest complaints about Jeremy's work commitments was often misunderstood.

Leah said, shortly before they separated, that her biggest beef with Jeremy's job is that he actually did not have to work out of town. From how she explained it, there was work to be done locally, and the pay was very good (about $2,000 weekly). However, if Jeremy elected to take the out of town work, he received a very large pay differential plus a per diem for food and incidentals, since he would be basically living in a hotel for months/weeks at a time. The bump in pay he would get for this would basically up his earnings by 150%.

Her unspoken but heavily implied accusation was that Jeremy volunteered for the work solely to get some space from Leah. And you know what? I absolutely believe that. Sure, maybe he felt he had to make extra money since Leah was burning through it at an alarming rate. Maybe his company frowned on him not volunteering for the out of town assignments. Maybe if the company did not get a lot of volunteers, they would make it mandatory and he'd have to go anyways. But I absolutely believe that at least some of his motivation to volunteer for this was that it got him away from Leah and that chaotic house.

As to what his options are now, I can't say. I am, however, highly skeptical that Jeremy takes every opportunity he possibly has to see Addie. I think there have definitely been times when he's chosen to go out and party and meet girls on nights when he could have been with Addie, even knowing he had a limited amount of time to spend with her.

[Evie]

I can understand Corey's explanation as that's how it was in my family. I have a genetic disorder that needs to be monitored, and my stay-at-home mom took me to all my appointments growing up. My dad could have taken off work, but he only had 10 vacation days a year and my appointments would have taken at least 3-4 of them. I would have rather had him home for a week in the summer and at Christmas than stare at him in a waiting room. Maybe Ali doesn't feel the same way, and if so, that should be addressed privately.

Okay, now I want to hear more of Corey's mom's thoughts about the s**t show. 

[Tatum]

7 minutes ago, Evie said:

Okay, now I want to hear more of Corey's mom's thoughts about the s**t show. 

Haha, believe her one and only appearance on this show was the wedding of Corey and Leah in season 1. I think she was doing Leah's hair. All I remember is this constant "die, bitch" expression on her face as she was talking to Leah before the wedding.

While Corey's dad and stepmom have always had, I thought, an honest affection for Leah and respect for her as their granddaughters' mother, I think his mother has always despised her.