S07.E04: You Don't Forget Your Past

[magemaud]

2 hours ago, Apollo said:

9 hours ago, magemaud said:

Nothing like giving your kids the message that they don't have to listen to this potential step-mother. 

I feel she is well within her rights to expect that no one does any actual parenting/discipline, etc., besides her and their father, especially when his fiance is still a child herself in many ways.

I agree, but the KIDS shouldn't know that Juliana has no "power" over them. 

[Spike]

20 hours ago, gavinmac said:

I get the feeling Natalie is bit older than 35 and that's why she wants a baby NOW. Or maybe she's just had a rough life in Ukraine with the the windy cold winters and air pollution and whatnot aging her prematurely.

Jasmine's level of interest in Blake is lower than Tania's breasts.

Her mom looks 90 so you may be on to something.

[Hangin Out]

1 hour ago, John M said:

It's just her level of self-importance is so aggravating, like she is the one person in the world that has been asked to both work and keep a tidy house, and not even a house at that, it's a shed.

I work, my husband works, we both have stressful, complicated jobs with LOTS OF PAPERWORK, we have bills, two dogs, a cat, we have no domestic help, a 3 bedroom home, a good size yard and you know what...?

Our yard is done, the animals are fed, the laundry and dishes are clean and put away, the bed is made, trash bins have been moved where they belong, we cook dinner almost every night, like, actually cook in the oven or on the stove, not frozen food, there are fresh cut flowers in the house. Yes it's time consuming, yes sometimes it isn't fun but we do it because we are fucking grown ups.

Plus, I am sure your marriage is intact and thriving.

[Spike]

15 hours ago, Jel said:

I don't know if it was editing or what but something was up with Bryson's reaction to his grandparents. He didn't stop what he was doing and didn't seem at all excited or happy  to see them. Seemed odd, and a bit of a red flag to me.

Porn granny looks like an emaciated Marcia Cross.  

[Spike]

12 hours ago, John M said:

And can someone please explain the Bojangles situation? What does he do? Does he live in the barn? Does he convey with the property? I get the sense that Bojangles has been on the property for hundreds of years and when you take possession of it you just accept that you now have a Bojangles as part of the deal, just don't upset him.

He would be a perfect man for Danielle.  Similar looks and brain power.

[Spike]

8 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Does she walk on all fours? 

Only during sexy time.

[MajorNelson]

4 hours ago, AZChristian said:

When he was complaining to NAnny in the thrift store, he commented that she didn't understand that she has to pay for "the house" (which looks like an apartment to me) and the car (and I think he mentioned food).  He didn't mention child support, which one would think would be a big monthly expense . . . if he's paying it.

But the fact of the other kids hadn't been revealed yet.  So you know, storylines.  After this ep, we should find out more.

[RealReality]

3 hours ago, John M said:

Also can we stop acting like what Granny is doing is a charactor flaw or makes her somewhat lesser?

It's legitimate work, it takes skill, talent, personal dedication and smarts to succeed in. So if a poorly educated model marries a billionaire twice her age it's somehow aspirational but I woman taking control over her own body and making good money doing it for herself is bad?

Please, Bravo for Granny for owning her work and not showing shame over it, we all have sex, many of us with many, many partners, often there are private photos, if you are doing it because you want to do it, do it. We shouldn't shame it any more than anyone else selling their image just because they are doing something that all of us do typically in private.

I thought porn granny was funny because it's so anti stereotypical granny.  I didn't mean it derisively because I agree with you.  

I generally don't have a problem with trophy wives or porn stars (although I question why porn only has stars and no supporting actors).  

[ethalfrida]

I am liking Anny way more. She knows how to speak up, how to draw the line when someone tries to insert themselves where they don’t belong. 

[Callaphera]

Yes, Anny is getting the Leida-esque edit on this season (and it may be well deserved) but I gotta say, if I were expected to meet with someone I didn't want to, get dolled up and go for dinner, and have to look at Robert across the table while I had a cold and it's all on camera*? I'd be pretty fucking bitchy about life in general, too.  (I actually do have a cold and when this scene played out, the husband jokingly asked me if I wanted to go out for dinner. I gave him my best steely look, a hearty "Fuck you," and followed it up with a "Could you please make me some soup?".)

*assuming that this, like the show wants us to believe, happened all in one day and wasn't a clever re-enactment. 

[sasha206]

13 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I'm not wild about Tania, but, I don't find her any more annoying than many of the other characters, I mean, cast members on this show.  This guy has to have already known how bossy she is before now, why act so surprised.  And, what's the problem with this strong, able-bodied man helping with the love shack? I would welcome someone staying close to me, so, I did things properly. It is her mom's property.  So convoluted, imo.  If it doesn't go well, then, thank goodness, you now have plenty of proof why you should return home and NOT get married. For me, the shed issue is not nearly as offensive as bringing a stranger into your house with children.  

I totally agree with that statement.  

That said her judgment is impaired too.  She is on the fast track to getting pregnant to this perfect stranger.  So many of this nitwits never seem to think of the consequences of raising children with someone you barely know.

[sasha206]

12 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

I'm not a fan of Tania (or Sinjin, for that matter), but I'm prepared to bet anyone at all a shiny quarter that Sharp insisted on leaving/making a mess in the shed, and encouraged Tania to not do any work until Sinjin arrived. Everything is a storyline.

I agree.  This is why I can't get angry at porn star gma or Michael's ex-wife. I'm quite sure those discussions were producer-driven.

That said, I totally believe that Tania is a complete control freak and her reactions to Sinjin weren't for show.

[Racj82]

31 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

Yes, Anny is getting the Leida-esque edit on this season (and it may be well deserved) but I gotta say, if I were expected to meet with someone I didn't want to, get dolled up and go for dinner, and have to look at Robert across the table while I had a cold and it's all on camera*? I'd be pretty fucking bitchy about life in general, too.  (I actually do have a cold and when this scene played out, the husband jokingly asked me if I wanted to go out for dinner. I gave him my best steely look, a hearty "Fuck you," and followed it up with a "Could you please make me some soup?".)

*assuming that this, like the show wants us to believe, happened all in one day and wasn't a clever re-enactment. 

I can't imagine dealing with people in the stank ass way a lot of these people do. It doesnt mean I would allow myself to be disrespected or whatever but damn. A lot of these people can't be civil for a second.

Elsewhere on the granny front. I thought I recognized her before she said she does porn. Then I was like Oh. Maybe I should be judging myself.

But the reality is that I actually have never seen her before. It's just that a lot of women who do milf porn look the same. Plastic/amplified curves and a somewhat plastic looking face. I don't mean to say she looks ugly. She's not. But, the stars who do that type of porn often have a specific look.

44 minutes ago, RealReality said:

I thought porn granny was funny because it's so anti stereotypical granny.  I didn't mean it derisively because I agree with you.  

I generally don't have a problem with trophy wives or porn stars (although I question why porn only has stars and no supporting actors).  

Supporting actors in porn are the ones who don't bone. Who cares about them?

[magemaud]

I couldn’t come up with a better term than power, but what I meant was the kids might not respect Juliana after they heard their mother say she was not allowed to “parent” them. Of course Sarah and Michael set the rules but there may be times when Juliana has to enforce them and the kids could respond along the lines of, “Mom said we don’t have to listen to you.” I just didn’t think they should have been in on the conversation. 

[blubld43]

20 hours ago, RealReality said:

I admire people who protest and what not, because I think that takes some degree of care and drive.  

But other than that (and when is the last time she did that, I remember her yelling at Joe Biden, but was that in like 2016?) I do not see any evidence of this person she and her friends are trying to convince is she is.

I am a space stealer and hogger of covers.  

Lol, but we can still be friends since we don't have to sleep together! I'm someone who does not like being crowded or cold in bed😁.

You are right about Tania, what else has she done in her work? Is she passionate about a cause, or just a strident, obnoxious woman?  You know which one I'm thinking.....And someone asked way upthread who hires and pays her, I'm curious about that too.

ETA: I bet Anny and Robert raw dogged during their 8 hour courtship. You know he didn't bother using protection of any kind.

Edited November 26, 2019 by blubld43

[Takitaki]

20 hours ago, gavinmac said:

Aren't you surprised that reasonably attractive, image-conscious young Finnish woman would be so desperate to move to the USA that she would promptly agree to marry a dimwitted, lower class and dark skinned man like Blake who lives with his mom? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Helsinki isn't Kiev. 

She tried to become like many women who've become successful off the back of the Miss Finland and other similar competitions, turning insta and/or yellow press famous, making a living off it. She didn't garner much interest so she knifed up her face and found a way to get on an international tv show and move to LA. For someone like her, that's a dream come true. I think she wants to be like Anfisa, who has openly explained she makes her income off social media now after being on the show.

[Bryce Lynch]

17 hours ago, BallisticNikki said:

Absolutely.

She can have whatever preferences she wants. But she has no right to impose any of them on Michael when the kids are with him. That's his parenting time and he can and should do what he thinks is best. 

It is best if both parents can come to an agreement on certain, basic rules.  One shouldn't dictate them to the other and the 2 parents don't need to run their households exactly the same way.  But some consistency is good for the children.

I disagreed with Ex-Wife Michael telling Julianna she didn't want her parenting at all.  She is going to be their step mother, so she is going to do at least some.  The tone in which she said it was kind of off putting to me, as well.   A better approach would have been more like, 'You, shouldn't feel that you need to parent the children or lay down the law with them.  Michael and I will always make sure they respect you, and they both seem very fond of you already.  But, it isn't fair or necessary for you to have the responsibilities of being another mother to them."  

That said, overall, Ex-wife Michael seems like half a saint, and in the top 1% of ex-spouses.   

[blubld43]

6 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I totally agree with that statement.  

That said her judgment is impaired too.  She is on the fast track to getting pregnant to this perfect stranger.  So many of this nitwits never seem to think of the consequences of raising children with someone you barely know.

TRUTH.

People on every iteration of this show have repeatedly shown exactly why that's not a good idea: Deavan and Jihoon, Tiffany and Ronald, Pol and Karine etc.

I do NOT and will never understand the thinking. If that makes me old then bring on the werthers.

Edited November 26, 2019 by blubld43
Grammar matters

[Mrs. Hanson]

18 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

It is best if both parents can come to an agreement on certain, basic rules.  One shouldn't dictate them to the other and the 2 parents don't need to run their households exactly the same way.  But some consistency is good for the children.

I disagreed with Ex-Wife Michael telling Julianna she didn't want her parenting at all.  She is going to be their step mother, so she is going to do at least some.  The tone in which she said it was kind of off putting to me, as well.   A better approach would have been more like, 'You, shouldn't feel that you need to parent the children or lay down the law with them.  Michael and I will always make sure they respect you, and they both seem very fond of you already.  But, it isn't fair or necessary for you to have the responsibilities of being another mother to them."  

That said, overall, Ex-wife Michael seems like half a saint, and in the top 1% of ex-spouses.   

I see both sides.  Juliana should NOT be handing out punishments.  She should be respected as an adult in the house however.  The mom, to me, was kinda alpha dogging Julianna - "Look, you may be young and fun BUT I AM THE MOM."  Any direct, hands on parenting should come from Mom and Dad although Julianna should be shown respect from the kids, and all signs point to that.

11 hours ago, lovesnark said:

Exactly! Granny makes money (and is probably paid quite well) having sex in front of a camera crew. It's her job and she isn't ashamed of what she does for a living. She loves her grandson and doesn't want any harm to come to him.

Anny has sex with a guy for cheap lingerie and the hope of a green card. But, she isn't honest about it. She expects people to believe she was living the high life in the DR and is only in the US because she fell madly in love with Robert and left her Chanel lifestyle for him. She can lose me with her holier than thou act. She needs to take some acting lessons from grandma so she can pretend she's not a raging bitch 24/7.

Yep - I started out liking Anny but now not so much,  I kinda want her and Robert to end up together as they are both kinda horrid.  I wish she would take a lesson on being up front from Anfisa - that chick knew what she wanted and was not afraid to say so.

I think Porn Granny's role in Bryson's life is over inflated.  I think they see each other but not as often as Robert wants us to think,

[OFDgal]

7 hours ago, Callaphera said:

Yes, Anny is getting the Leida-esque edit on this season (and it may be well deserved) but I gotta say, if I were expected to meet with someone I didn't want to, get dolled up and go for dinner, and have to look at Robert across the table while I had a cold and it's all on camera*? I'd be pretty fucking bitchy about life in general, too.  (I actually do have a cold and when this scene played out, the husband jokingly asked me if I wanted to go out for dinner. I gave him my best steely look, a hearty "Fuck you," and followed it up with a "Could you please make me some soup?".)

*assuming that this, like the show wants us to believe, happened all in one day and wasn't a clever re-enactment. 

I was wondering about the timeline.  Anny was speaking fine at the park and then hoarse at dinner.  The cold seemed to come on super quick.  I thought she sounded like she lost her voice from yelling (maybe about the granny meeting).

[RealReality]

7 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

I see both sides.  Juliana should NOT be handing out punishments.  She should be respected as an adult in the house however.  The mom, to me, was kinda alpha dogging Julianna - "Look, you may be young and fun BUT I AM THE MOM."  Any direct, hands on parenting should come from Mom and Dad although Julianna should be shown respect from the kids, and all signs point to that.

Yep - I started out liking Anny but now not so much,  I kinda want her and Robert to end up together as they are both kinda horrid.  I wish she would take a lesson on being up front from Anfisa - that chick knew what she wanted and was not afraid to say so.

I think Porn Granny's role in Bryson's life is over inflated.  I think they see each other but not as often as Robert wants us to think,

I vaguely remember the phrase "every other weekend" being thrown around.  I'd guess that Robert drops Bryson off at least every other weekend and gets a break.  

That is free babysitting and you KNOW that for Robert that's the best kind...who knows what kind of cut rate babysitter he would hire if he had to actually come out of pocket? 

I expect that she was watching Bryson while Robert was on that cruise.  

I don't know if she helps Robert monetarily, but she looks pretty well put together and it wouldn't surprise me if she is his go-to when he has an unexpected bill that leaves him short on rent or if he has had a slow month with Uber/Lyft.

[Hangin Out]

22 hours ago, DanaMB said:

Last episode there was all this talk from Tania and her friends about what a go getter she is and how hard she works. The shed says otherwise. 

Well, I guess she left her job to do this t.v. gig.  They are both making money now, so why don’t they get a small apartment instead of that shed that has no bathroom, kitchen or HEAT.  It gets cold in Connecticut.  What were they going to do for heat?  A space heater isn’t enough and is sometimes dangerous.  Dumb asses.

[Gobi]

12 minutes ago, RealReality said:

I vaguely remember the phrase "every other weekend" being thrown around.  I'd guess that Robert drops Bryson off at least every other weekend and gets a break.  

That is free babysitting and you KNOW that for Robert that's the best kind...who knows what kind of cut rate babysitter he would hire if he had to actually come out of pocket? 

I expect that she was watching Bryson while Robert was on that cruise.  

I don't know if she helps Robert monetarily, but she looks pretty well put together and it wouldn't surprise me if she is his go-to when he has an unexpected bill that leaves him short on rent or if he has had a slow month with Uber/Lyft.

I suspect that porn thespian grandma stepping up is the primary, or at least a major, reason Robert is still involved in Bryson’s life, unlike his four other kids. I could see him putting Bryson in foster care without a worry.

[charmed1]

Anny is no prize, but I’m in agreement with her shutting down porn Madea. She wasn’t cordial. She was a bitch. Yeah porn is a legal job and girl power and all that I guess, but I’ll be damned if some stranger who gets ejaculated on for a living gets to judge my reproductive business GTFOH. Please. You Creh-See? *Insert signature Anny Dominican blowout hair toss* 

I want to know what Robert said to Anny about Bryson’s grandparents before they met because he seemed all too eager to know what she would say. Which leads me to believe he told Anny that PornGran had already spoken negatively about her. Robert seems like a shit stirrer and high drama. Anybody with five children by four different people is definitely high drama.

[Bryce Lynch]

24 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

Well, I guess she left her job to do this t.v. gig.  They are both making money now, so why don’t they get a small apartment instead of that shed that has no bathroom, kitchen or HEAT.  It gets cold in Connecticut.  What were they going to do for heat?  A space heater isn’t enough and is sometimes dangerous.  Dumb asses.

Their love will keep them warm.  😃

[RoxiP]

14 hours ago, Apollo said:

Totally agreed.  Yes, I noticed that too.  They have wealth but they're still down to earth, just like the children are not bratty.  I feel like it's an affair that went on way too long. 

I also felt it was weird that Julianna had the daughter's hair in matching side-buns as hers, JUST BEFORE the ex-wife arrives for dinner.... that might have rubbed her in the wrong way, if she was insecure at all, which she is likely not.  Though, didn't seem like the best move on Julianna's part and could have been misinterpreted as, "Hey, look, I am taking over now,",  .... Glenn Close style!  hahahaha   😄

Will someone tell me what Michael's ex-wife's name is, so I don't have to keep calling her the ex?  😊

Oh goodness, little girls love that hairstyle and if she saw Juliana doing it she undoubtedly wanted to emulate her.  That's what little girls that age do - they love to emulate older girls who have a cool style.  I think even Cece's mother acknowledged that it looked cute.  If one of my ex's girlfriends had done that to my daughter's hair when she was that age I would have thought it simply meant that the girlfriend liked my daughter and made their time together enjoyable.  

I agree, Juliana should not be parenting the children, but she should be accorded respect.  She should know the house rules and be able to enforce them but definitely should not be in charge of discipline.

[Rt66vintage]

I'm with the poster upthread who asked why Tania wanted to pull the cabinet off the wall. Ridiculous woman, and what's with her sad boobie situation? Is she wearing a too-small sports bra that's stretched out? Inquiring minds. 

[RoxiP]

14 hours ago, Apollo said:

Also, she KNEW this dirty shack would be seen on national TV too!  That ONE FACT alone would get at least 90% of the women in America to hustle their asses and get it done,.  LOL

Sometimes I invite people over to my house just so I will be forced to clean it!

[Rt66vintage]

Just now, RoxiP said:

Sometimes I invite people over to my house just so I will be forced to clean it!

The organizational & hoarder self-help experts recommend inviting company as motivation to clean.

[RealReality]

42 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

Well, I guess she left her job to do this t.v. gig.  They are both making money now, so why don’t they get a small apartment instead of that shed that has no bathroom, kitchen or HEAT.  It gets cold in Connecticut.  What were they going to do for heat?  A space heater isn’t enough and is sometimes dangerous.  Dumb asses.

If I were a landlord the last person I'd rent to is someone who has a very temporary paycheck and a history of public protests that garner media attention.  

You know damn well Tania won't have the money for rent at some point and will make a giant stink about it and fight any and all attempts at eviction.  There would be numerous complaints about inhabitability to get free rent. 

She would 100% become a squatter and would likely trash the apartment on her way out just out of spite. 

A landlord would likely end up just paying her to leave.  

I really do appreciate her passion for public protest....and if she came off as an otherwise responsible and accountable person it would be different.....but I wouldn't rent to her if I were a landlord.  

[RoxiP]

1 minute ago, Rt66vintage said:

The organizational & hoarder self-help experts recommend inviting company as motivation to clean.

LOL...I also have to set a timer to keep myself on task.  And now you all know the real reason my family is coming over on Christmas Eve - I'm tired of my own mess (and no, I'm not a hoarder and my house does get cleaned - just usually not all the rooms at the same time!).

[sasha206]

2 hours ago, blubld43 said:

TRUTH.

People on every iteration of this show have repeatedly shown exactly why that's not a good idea: Deavan and Jihoon, Tiffany and Ronald, Pol and Karine etc.

I do NOT and will never understand the thinking. If that makes me old then bring on the werthers.

Agreed! It's hard enough to raise a kid with a partner you've known for a long time.  I don't understand being an adult and glamorizing having a baby with someone that you've really pretty much just vacationed with.

[John M]

9 hours ago, sasha206 said:

That said her judgment is impaired too.  She is on the fast track to getting pregnant to this perfect stranger.

I get the biological urge to procreate but honey, you live in a shed, don't have stable employment and I don't see you having stable employment in the short term, dear lord do not have a child.

[Cammi]

12 hours ago, John M said:

Also can we stop acting like what Granny is doing is a charactor flaw or makes her somewhat lesser?

It's legitimate work, it takes skill, talent, personal dedication and smarts to succeed in. So if a poorly educated model marries a billionaire twice her age it's somehow aspirational but I woman taking control over her own body and making good money doing it for herself is bad?

Please, Bravo for Granny for owning her work and not showing shame over it, we all have sex, many of us with many, many partners, often there are private photos, if you are doing it because you want to do it, do it. We shouldn't shame it any more than anyone else selling their image just because they are doing something that all of us do typically in private.

Many people find porn, especially the prevalent porn available today, to be severely damaging to both men and women psychologically. Those people are entitled to their opinion. I am as liberal as they come, raised by a couple of old hippies, but I am not going to morally agree that sex work of any kind is "empowering". I actually think prostitution should be legal (outlaw the pimps), but I do not have to think it is a "great career choice" that any person should aspire to. A lot of cultures are conservative, and look down on prostitution/porn. Young men and women are being fed a steady diet of porn from an early age, they just pull it up on their phones. For free, zero effort into the once "forbidden" industry. So many people are addicted to porn, to the point they can no longer function sexually with another real life partner. Many porn actresses have spoken out of the damaging, lasting affects it has had on their mental health. 

Anne, no matter how horrid a person, is entitled to her opinion. And even though grandma is open about her sexuality, to many, it is still a very private and personal topic. As a demi sexual (VERY private concerning sex), I would find this discussion from a total stranger, VERY abrasive if not hostile. I would have handled myself in a more polite manner, but it would offend me just the same. BEYOND gauche, and very tacky. 

Agree to disagree I guess. I'm not keen on this "everything is ok, and everyone must be ok with it!"- bullshit in our society. And no one dare to ever criticize someone's life choices. Not here for it. I'll judge whomever I wish, however I wish. Good or bad. And Anne is entitled to her opinion, that sex work in a lowly career choice. My great grandmother, Peruvian, believed that for every person you engaged in the physical act of sex, you gave away a bit of your soul. And she would say that is why some of the sex workers in her village would have that "dead behind the eyes" look. No soul left. Anyhow, nothing wrong with Anne's opinion and not everyone has to agree with porn/ sex work. 

[sasha206]

8 minutes ago, Cammi said:

Many people find porn, especially the prevalent porn available today, to be severely damaging to both men and women psychologically. Those people are entitled to their opinion. I am as liberal as they come, raised by a couple of old hippies, but I am not going to morally agree that sex work of any kind is "empowering". I actually think prostitution should be legal (outlaw the pimps), but I do not have to think it is a "great career choice" that any person should aspire to. A lot of cultures are conservative, and look down on prostitution/porn. Young men and women are being fed a steady diet of porn from an early age, they just pull it up on their phones. For free, zero effort into the once "forbidden" industry. So many people are addicted to porn, to the point they can no longer function sexually with another real life partner. Many porn actresses have spoken out of the damaging, lasting affects it has had on their mental health. 

Anne, no matter how horrid a person, is entitled to her opinion. And even though grandma is open about her sexuality, to many, it is still a very private and personal topic. As a demi sexual (VERY private concerning sex), I would find this discussion from a total stranger, VERY abrasive if not hostile. I would have handled myself in a more polite manner, but it would offend me just the same. BEYOND gauche, and very tacky. 

Agree to disagree I guess. I'm not keen on this "everything is ok, and everyone must be ok with it!"- bullshit in our society. And no one dare to ever criticize someone's life choices. Not here for it. I'll judge whomever I wish, however I wish. Good or bad. And Anne is entitled to her opinion, that sex work in a lowly career choice. My great grandmother, Peruvian, believed that for every person you engaged in the physical act of sex, you gave away a bit of your soul. And she would say that is why some of the sex workers in her village would have that "dead behind the eyes" look. No soul left. Anyhow, nothing wrong with Anne's opinion and not everyone has to agree with porn/ sex work. 

I agree on your porn comments.  If it is something she enjoys and she's getting paid well, more power to her.  But I also think others are entitled to have a negative opinion about her line of work.  I'm sure that as much as "empowerment" gets thrown around, none of us would want our daughters in that profession. 

[John M]

1 hour ago, charmed1 said:

Anny is no prize, but I’m in agreement with her shutting down porn Madea. She wasn’t cordial. She was a bitch. Yeah porn is a legal job and girl power and all that I guess, but I’ll be damned if some stranger who gets ejaculated on for a living gets to judge my reproductive business GTFOH. Please. You Creh-See? *Insert signature Anny Dominican blowout hair toss* 

Why? The mainstream porn business are some of the best educated on birth control and STIs.

She is dealing with two idiots around her granddaughter and sex education is appalling in the US much less the DR.

[RealReality]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and judgements.  

Anny judges porn granny for being an amoral porn star and porn granny judges anny for being a superficial golddigging whore*

Now all we have are two women judging each other by a code dictated by a patriarchal society. 

Maybe people are dead behind the eyes because when they are engaged in sex work they are taught to believe it makes them less of a person.  

I'm more live and let live.  As long as everyone is an adult with free will, I'm generally cool. 

It makes me sad that women judge each other by a set of rules dictated by a bunch of powerful men (who often do not judge each other by these rules). 

* - im trying to use the harshest words that people would judge each other by   

[Rt66vintage]

I found a YouTube channel that shows many 2-3 minute "bonus" scenes of 90-day fiance couples. It's called Married at First Sight. The scenes may be what are shown on More to Love, but without having to watch the whole episode & look for new stuff. 

[charmed1]

25 minutes ago, John M said:

Why? The mainstream porn business are some of the best educated on birth control and STIs.

She is dealing with two idiots around her granddaughter and sex education is appalling in the US much less the DR.

Because unless she’s Anny’s gynecologist or sexual partner, it’s none of her business. She’s a stranger that Anny knew all of five minutes and not exactly a friendly one at that. If she wanted to have a sex education lecture, it would’ve been better used on her daughter or  Robert or saved for her grandson when his classmates inevitably find her on the Internet.

[John M]

16 minutes ago, Cammi said:

Many people find porn, especially the prevalent porn available today, to be severely damaging to both men and women psychologically.

...

So many people are addicted to porn, to the point they can no longer function sexually with another real life partner. Many porn actresses have spoken out of the damaging, lasting affects it has had on their mental health. 

There is very limited evidence for this beyond anecdotal but it's certainly a message being pushed hard by people trying to restrict access to porn and the choices women are able to make in porn. And notice you said actresses, many men do porn, I have yet to see any serious argument about mental health of men that do porn which always makes me suspicious of the motivations of the people pushing the argument (Not you specifically but just in the general tone being pushed by anti-porn proponents). And just to add, lots of people have jobs that cause damaging, lasting effects on mental health, some profound, even people in mainstream respected fields like first responders, medical professionals, people in social services, etc. I personally work in low-income public health/social services and it is not a field for a lot of people, lots of people leave it because of the emotional toll it takes on them which can sometimes be profound.

The medical evidence around porn related sexual dysfunction is almost non-existent and what we have is correlated to a lot of other mental disorders and more often to things related to our public squeamishness and prudishness of having any proper and reasonable discussions about sexual health. E.g. circumcision, masturbation technique, use of sexual lubricants.

I will also add that while there are negative arguments to porn there are also positive benefits to it such as normalizing sexual desire, sex education, improving communication around sex and sexual desires even among committed, sexually active monogamous couples and even increasing the acceptability and frequency of masturbation which is correlated to a decrease of sexual assault in and outside of relationships, the happiness of people again, but in and out of committed monogamous and non-monogamous relationships. Just for example, we are talking about it more publically now but there is a huge amount of marital disharmony caused my mismatches in sex drive with one or both partners viewing masturbating to porn unacceptable.

The issue is complicated and the production of a lot of pornography can certainly be problematic and sometimes abusive but there is one thing we sure as hell know, there is far too little discussion around safer sex and sexual wellness including normalizing sexual activity like masurbation and slut shaming porn actresses is a very, very poor place to start.

[alegtostandon]

23 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

New word! 

But...I thought Natalie's friends were basically saying Natalie is used to living well due to her ex's income/(and perhaps status) and was asking if she could really be satisfied with farmboy.

I had wondered if maybe Natalie was receiving alimony from ex that she would lose.  I cannot remember,  did they say what she did for a living? 

23 hours ago, OldButHappy said:

Seemed odd to me, too - then I figured that it was probably rehearsed, and we saw a child who was not into acting for the camera...I mean, they would probably all meet at the shooting location, discuss scripted topics, locations for each conversation, camera angles, etc, right?  Bryson had probably greeted his grandparents an hour before the scene we saw.

TIL:

Not to be confused with some of our other 90 Day heroes and heroines who are......well....... hyper-gamey.

I'll see myself out.

 (I'm not naming names because it's really a mean thing to actually say about someone, but y'all know which of our star-crossed lovers fit the description...)

I had thought the same thing,  that was probably like the 5th take.  We have 2 young grandsons, when they were around that age,  they would greet us with open arms and hugs and kisses... unless anyone else was around. They would then act like they didn't even know who we were.  I remember my uncle saying one time 'I thought you guys were close with them,  they act like they don't even know who you are. "

On 11/25/2019 at 9:03 AM, John M said:

And can someone please explain the Bojangles situation? What does he do? Does he live in the barn? Does he convey with the property? I get the sense that Bojangles has been on the property for hundreds of years and when you take possession of it you just accept that you now have a Bojangles as part of the deal, just don't upset him.

I thought it was said Bojangles was an uncle who needed a place to live.  

[sasha206]

21 minutes ago, John M said:

There is very limited evidence for this beyond anecdotal but it's certainly a message being pushed hard by people trying to restrict access to porn and the choices women are able to make in porn. And notice you said actresses, many men do porn, I have yet to see any serious argument about mental health of men that do porn which always makes me suspicious of the motivations of the people pushing the argument (Not you specifically but just in the general tone being pushed by anti-porn proponents). And just to add, lots of people have jobs that cause damaging, lasting effects on mental health, some profound, even people in mainstream respected fields like first responders, medical professionals, people in social services, etc. I personally work in low-income public health/social services and it is not a field for a lot of people, lots of people leave it because of the emotional toll it takes on them which can sometimes be profound.

The medical evidence around porn related sexual dysfunction is almost non-existent and what we have is correlated to a lot of other mental disorders and more often to things related to our public squeamishness and prudishness of having any proper and reasonable discussions about sexual health. E.g. circumcision, masturbation technique, use of sexual lubricants.

I will also add that while there are negative arguments to porn there are also positive benefits to it such as normalizing sexual desire, sex education, improving communication around sex and sexual desires even among committed, sexually active monogamous couples and even increasing the acceptability and frequency of masturbation which is correlated to a decrease of sexual assault in and outside of relationships, the happiness of people again, but in and out of committed monogamous and non-monogamous relationships. Just for example, we are talking about it more publically now but there is a huge amount of marital disharmony caused my mismatches in sex drive with one or both partners viewing masturbating to porn unacceptable.

The issue is complicated and the production of a lot of pornography can certainly be problematic and sometimes abusive but there is one thing we sure as hell know, there is far too little discussion around safer sex and sexual wellness including normalizing sexual activity like masurbation and slut shaming porn actresses is a very, very poor place to start.

You make a lot of really good points.

That said, I feel like if Grandpa was a porn star, there would be comments on his profession that were equally as negative on this thread.  And I don't think there would be comments on how empowered he is by doing porn.

[Crazydoxielady]

I felt utter revulsion seeing porn gram kiss that poor kid on the lips. Grammas had wayyyyyyyyy too many D's in her mouth to be doing that. Kiss on the cheek please gram. #herpesisreal

Why oh why did Michaels ex feel the need to strip down and take her top off at the table? Showing she has more than bee stings like his new adolescent former escort/fiancé? And Brazillian girl is amazing looking, but she reads VERY young and that he is attracted to her sets off a "pedo vibe," to me.  Normal men wouldn't want such a young girl, and certainly wouldn't bring said young lady home to be around his kids. Julianna is very sweet, but lord only knows what she has gone thru. Its sad.

Bojangles for the win. I re-wound the scene 4x where he laughed about caring for the homestead and took a swig out of his mug. This is comedy GOLD at its finest.

New dude with the Finnish gal pings my gaydar in a very big way. PING PING PING.

Tania Tania Tania. Way to set up a situation that exemplifies your low hanging boobs, non showered dumpy self while in massively bossy bitch mode.

[Mrs. Hanson]

28 minutes ago, Apollo said:

Yes, it's an awesome motivator!  I get stuff done faster than ever before company comes over too.😄

I watch Hoarders.  Works like a charm.

[BallisticNikki]

20 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

Awww he was kinda cute in his mug shots. 😁

18 hours ago, RealReality said:

The two of them are going to alienate their free babysitter and someone who is a stable presence in Bryson's life.  She may be a porn granny, but it doesn't mean she doesn't love Bryson and will fight to protect him.  

Bc she did such a wonderful job w/ her own daughter....who got knocked up by the local community peen and completely abandoned her kid. Where was this elevator speech 5 yrs ago? Miss me, granny.🖐️

17 hours ago, juicyfruit said:

Perkele? 😆

16 hours ago, Apollo said:

I feel she is well within her rights to expect that no one does any actual parenting/discipline, etc., besides her and their father, 

No such right. You lose that right when you get divorced. She can have whatever hopes, but no right to impose or expect. 

15 hours ago, KateHearts said:

parenting involves both parents, and each should respect the general rules they have decided on together. I get that he can decide what fun activities they will do while at his house, or what dinners he wants to cook. But general expectations such as bedtimes, TV limitations, etc should be decided jointly and consistent between both homes. Kids need that consistency, and if there are parameters that a parent feels strongly about, the other parent should respect that (and vice versa).

Ideally, but unlikely. 

10 hours ago, Apollo said:

I am putting myself in the shoes of their Mom.  If I were her, a young, naive foreigner who was a total stranger to me, would not be allowed any power at all over children that I birthed.  She would have to earn my trust simply to spend time alone with my children.  I understand if we see it differently.  I am merely stating how things would go down if I were in the Mom's shoes.

You would have no way to enforce any of this. She gets to spend time alone w/ them by marrying (or even dating) the father.

[RoxiP]

20 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

I watch Hoarders.  Works like a charm.

Every time I watch that show it makes me itch and start cleaning.  Or switch the channel.  I never watch it right before I go to bed or I will have nightmares.

I would be so annoying if I ever met a porn star - I would have so many questions!

[Gobi]

12 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

Awww he was kinda cute in his mug shots. 😁

Bc she did such a wonderful job w/ her own daughter....who got knocked up by the local community peen and completely abandoned her kid. Where was this elevator speech 5 yrs ago? Miss me, granny.🖐️

Perkele? 😆

No such right. You lose that right when you get divorced. She can have whatever hopes, but no right to impose or expect. 

Ideally, but unlikely. 

You would have no way to enforce any of this. She gets to spend time alone w/ them by marrying (or even dating) the father.

Perkele means evil spirit in Finnish and is a popular curse.

[BallisticNikki]

19 minutes ago, Apollo said:

yeah, parents do not lose their right to PARENT unless they sign them away.  

You lose that level of control. When the kids are with the other parent, the other parent decides. 

14 minutes ago, Apollo said:

Actually, yes I would.  If I had any inkling that someone was unfit/unsafe to be the company of my children, I'd have legal recourse, as a secondary option, of course, to speaking to my ex-spouse about my concerns.  I could also keep my children home with me until the issue was resolved, if their safety was at risk.  There are always options.  

No one has established Juliana as unfit or unsafe. There is no issue to resolve. Michael is getting married and Sarah will have to cede some control now. She doesn't get to dictate how Michael and Juliana will parent.  

[BallisticNikki]

1 minute ago, Apollo said:

Would Michael be with her if she had the exact personality, but had been born into a different body...a more average looking woman? ... or is the fact that she looks like a pretty young girl, with a compliant personality, the actual appeal?   That he can rescue her and mold her to his wishes, etc, as he was unable to do with his American wife? ... conversely, would she be involved with HIM, if it were not for the wealthy lifestyle he is so eager to provide?  Is there an actual heart/soul connection? I do see some real feelings between the two, just wondering where they come from.

No and No. Clearly

[FrancescaFiore]

50 minutes ago, Crazydoxielady said:

I felt utter revulsion seeing porn gram kiss that poor kid on the lips. Grammas had wayyyyyyyyy too many D's in her mouth to be doing that. Kiss on the cheek please gram. #herpesisreal

Wow, is that judgmental and messed up. I tend to shy away from being preachy here, but this is just a bridge too far. These old, outdated notions about porn actresses being disease ridden and amoral are false and are based in nothing but sexist double standards. To slut shame a grandmother for kissing her grandson on the lips based on what she does for a living is so mean-spirited and unfair.  "Porn star" and "Grandma' are pretty much all we know about her at this point. She seemed to have a great relationship with Bryson, which makes me think she's been present and a source of love and support throughout his life. Why isn't she being given credit for that, and instead only being negatively judged for how she earns a living?