S07.E04: You Don't Forget Your Past

[KateHearts]

3 hours ago, BallisticNikki said:

No such right. You lose that right when you get divorced. She can have whatever hopes, but no right to impose or expect. 

Sarah has every right to set parenting parameters. She IS the kids' mother- and still actively so. She didn't abandon them or go to prison.  Using your logic, wouldn't Michael be devoid of a right too?

[juicyfruit]

3 hours ago, BallisticNikki said:

Perkele? 😆

Pronounced per-ke-le with a looong rolling R. It's a Finnish swear that basically means damnit or FFS.  It was one of my dad's faves and I remember getting into big trouble the first (and only) time I repeated it.

[RoxiP]

28 minutes ago, PinkFlamingo said:

Side note - the conversation with Natalie’s friends was all about what Mike can provide her and comparing him to her ex in terms of money making ability. Not one question about is he a nice guy, is he fun to be around, or does he treat you well?  Because if money making ability was the only qualification in a spouse, that obviously didn’t work out the first time around. 

I got a vibe that Natalie's first husband was a successful businessman, as is her friend's husband, and that he was able to provide for her quite well, but one of them eventually fell out of love with that notion.  Perhaps a marriage for $$$?  Now she is hoping for a marriage for love?  I'm just guessing here but that's the vibe (gosh I hate that word - why am I using it?) from her friend - who looked like a trophy wife to me.

[Spike]

41 minutes ago, PinkFlamingo said:

Yeah so far he seems like a nice guy and I liked their joking around with her riding on the suitcase, carrying her into the house, etc.  Every season I want to root for at least one couple and hope the show doesn’t ruin it but it always inevitably gets ruined in some way. 

Side note - the conversation with Natalie’s friends was all about what Mike can provide her and comparing him to her ex in terms of money making ability. Not one question about is he a nice guy, is he fun to be around, or does he treat you well?  Because if money making ability was the only qualification in a spouse, that obviously didn’t work out the first time around. 

Mike would be an okay partner unless Bojangles gets to watch.

[BallisticNikki]

39 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

Sarah has every right to set parenting parameters. She IS the kids' mother- and still actively so. She didn't abandon them or go to prison.  Using your logic, wouldn't Michael be devoid of a right too?

She has no legal right to set anything on his parenting time. 

Michael would not be able to set any parameters on her parenting time either. 🙄

Pretty basic concept, folks. You hope they're on the same page w/ you but there's nothing you can do if they aren't...as long as they are not breaking any laws of violating any terms of custody/visitation. 

[RoxiP]

Just now, BallisticNikki said:

She has no legal right to set anything on his parenting time. 

Michael would not be able to set any parameters on her parenting time either. 🙄

Pretty basic concept, folks. You hope they're on the same page w/ you but there's nothing you can do if they aren't...as long as they are not breaking any laws of violating any terms of custody/visitation. 

I'm just going to say kudos to Michael and Sarah for presenting a unified parenting front to their children - no matter what we think about Michael he seems to be a good dad and he and Sarah seem to co-parent very well.  I have had friends who have had specific terms put into their custody agreements (mostly pre-divorce) about who can stay over at a parent's house or who can watch their children, but once the divorce is final they generally expire except in the case of someone who would be a danger to the children.  Their kids are bright and engaging (although they shouldn't have been in the room for the discussion about parenting with Juliana) and obviously seem to have a great relationship with both their parents.

[BallisticNikki]

27 minutes ago, RoxiP said:

I got a vibe that Natalie's first husband was a successful businessman, as is her friend's husband, and that he was able to provide for her quite well, but one of them eventually fell out of love with that notion.  Perhaps a marriage for $$$?  Now she is hoping for a marriage for love?  I'm just guessing here but that's the vibe (gosh I hate that word - why am I using it?) from her friend - who looked like a trophy wife to me.

It wasn't just a vibe. They said he was a successful business man but wasn't very nice. 

I'm finding it hard to believe she'll be OK leaving her mother; they seem so close! And I don't understand why, with her visa in limbo, she wants to get pregnant right now. Would a baby expedite her visa? I mean she's getting on in years but how awful if she had a baby and they were denied the K1. Mike certainly wouldn't be moving there.

So Azan and Karine were the only foreign fiancees to be denied visas? And that Muslim guy who was engaged to the stripper?

[BallisticNikki]

9 minutes ago, RoxiP said:

 Their kids are bright and engaging (although they shouldn't have been in the room for the discussion about parenting with Juliana) and obviously seem to have a great relationship with both their parents.

I found it so odd Cece said she didn't think either her mom or Juliana should consider the other a threat. 🤨 And she seemed to say that unprompted, not as a response to a producer's question. WTH? Who is feeding her that stuff? She can't be more than 8. 

I am thoroughly impressed by her cooking skills, tho!🍳

[PinkFlamingo]

37 minutes ago, Spike said:

Mike would be an okay partner unless Bojangles gets to watch.

[PinkFlamingo]

7 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

I found it so odd Cece said she didn't think either her mom or Juliana should consider the other a threat. 🤨 And she seemed to say that unprompted, not as a response to a producer's question. WTH? Who is feeding her that stuff? She can't be more than 8. 

I am thoroughly impressed by her cooking skills, tho!🍳

The kids remind me of some kids I used to babysit. Having conversations with them was like talking to small adults. It wasn’t because they were expected to act like adults or anything, they were just mature and intelligent. They also knew how to be kids.  These kids are definitely sharp, good parenting. 

[nutella fitzgerald]

9 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

Well, I guess she left her job to do this t.v. gig.  They are both making money now, so why don’t they get a small apartment instead of that shed that has no bathroom, kitchen or HEAT.  It gets cold in Connecticut.  What were they going to do for heat?  A space heater isn’t enough and is sometimes dangerous.  Dumb asses.

And we’ve all seen what can happen when a fire breaks out in a she shed.

[DanaMB]

3 hours ago, PinkFlamingo said:

How about this - if you had to be in a relationship with any of this seasons participants, who would it be? 

Edit now that Drogo has saved us - trying for positivity, bring back the snark! 

Tall guy, but can’t remember his name so maybe not a great start to our relationship. 😂

Edited November 27, 2019 by DanaMB

[John M]

5 hours ago, BravoAddict72 said:

But why wouldn't it be? Just because Robert has other children doesn't mean Anny should never be able to have one. Of course this is if they can pay for that child. But still, why should Anny be punished for Robert's past? And her child should be a priority for her. My husband had a child as a teenager and things didn't work out with the mother of his child. Years later he met me and we got married. When his other son was 12 we had a child. My inlaws had nothing to do with our child because they didn't think it was fair that our son got to live with his dad full time when his other son never got to. How was that my or our sons fault? Maybe she shouldn't have thrown out her teenage son's condoms when she found them because in her mind if they didn't have a condom they wouldn't have sex. (3 out of her 4 boys had kids without being married). She couldn't pick our son out of a lineup up until the day she died because of her backward thinking (it was totally her loss. He is an amazing kid!)

Why? Because Robert is not a responsible father, their home is lacking basic necessities while he spends money wooing and this woman out of delusion, he complains about having to take care of his son, he has no financial stability.

Anny is the same, no realistic view of her life, what having another child might require out of both of them, a bad attitude about taking responsibility for the situations she put herself in.

Like no one is saying they should be forcibly permanently sterilized if they continue this relationship, it's just clean up your own shit out of your bed before you start adding more family members. 

[MajorNelson]

7 hours ago, John M said:

Having sex is disrespecting her body? Scratch that, two people having consensual sex after extensive STI testing is disrespecting their bodies? 

Note, she does group porn among her varied talents.

7 hours ago, FrancescaFiore said:

There absolutely are. Martin Shkrelli did it by price gouging sick people.

Note, though definitely some people dislike him or his practices, after the price increase he gave the drug(s) away at discount or for free if the person could not afford it.

[RealReality]

6 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Note, she does group porn among her varied talents.

Note, though definitely some people dislike him or his practices, after the price increase he gave the drug(s) away at discount or for free if the person could not afford it.

I would guess their were major loopholes in the shrikeli PR move.  People who got discounted or free drugs were probably like absolutely destitute.

After that kid died trying to ration his insulin, drug companies refused to lower the price and said that they offer rebates and discounts.  But a little research showed that you had to be absolutely broke to qualify.  That kid working a basic job and going to school, would not have qualified for a rebate or discount.  

So whether or not a person can "afford" a drug can be pretty subjective. I'm sure in shrikeli's world....if you could sell your kidney then you could afford his drugs. 

[John M]

21 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Note, she does group porn among her varied talents.

Oh, wow, I didn't know it was multiple consenting adults engaging in legal activity, that changes everything! 🙄

[Spike]

35 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Note, she does group porn among her varied talents.

Link or it didn’t happen.

[sasha206]

8 hours ago, BravoAddict72 said:

But why wouldn't it be? Just because Robert has other children doesn't mean Anny should never be able to have one. Of course this is if they can pay for that child. But still, why should Anny be punished for Robert's past? And her child should be a priority for her. My husband had a child as a teenager and things didn't work out with the mother of his child. Years later he met me and we got married. When his other son was 12 we had a child. My inlaws had nothing to do with our child because they didn't think it was fair that our son got to live with his dad full time when his other son never got to. How was that my or our sons fault? Maybe she shouldn't have thrown out her teenage son's condoms when she found them because in her mind if they didn't have a condom they wouldn't have sex. (3 out of her 4 boys had kids without being married). She couldn't pick our son out of a lineup up until the day she died because of her backward thinking (it was totally her loss. He is an amazing kid!)

Anny would be punishing herself to have a kid with a man who has 5 kids by 4 different women and a job that most people couldn't live on with one kid, much less 6.  

Your situation was different; but I would guess if your husband had 5 kids and was an Uber driver, you might've viewed the prospect of marrying him differently.  

Anny can have children.  But if she wants a nice lifestyle with designer clothing, she should consider having children with someone else.

[Mrs. Hanson]

52 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

Note, she does group porn among her varied talents.

I am not 100% sure I know what that is.......

1 minute ago, sasha206 said:

Anny can have children.  But if she wants a nice lifestyle with designer clothing, she should consider having children with someone else.

This^^^^^100%.  I would also add that with they way they both talk to each other, they are not candidates for parenthood.  They are dismissive, rude, and can't seem to go a day without arguing.

@BravoAddict72 - your mother in law had some weird logic going on........

[brillia79]

Some might think doing porn makes a person immoral. Others might think seeking a “come-up,” expecting a parent to prioritize buying you designer shit over taking care of their children makes a person an immoral lowlife.

[sasha206]

Wonder how many people strenuously defending Grandma's profession would want their child becoming a porn star or dating one?

I don't have a problem with non-violent porn.  I don't have a problem with Grandma getting paid if she's enjoying it.  But I also don't have a problem with people who think there is something amoral about showing up to a set and fucking multiple perfect strangers for a paycheck.   I'm not going to chastise them as though they are judgmental prudes for their feelings about an industry known for degrading women.

I would also quibble that because they are tested, they are protected from diseases -- particularly since they are having unprotected sex with multiple partners.  Not too long ago, there was an HIV scare with the LA porn scene.  So there are definitely occupational hazards in porn.  

[Mrs. Hanson]

11 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Wonder how many people strenuously defending Grandma's profession would want their child becoming a porn star or dating one?

I don't have a problem with non-violent porn.  I don't have a problem with Grandma getting paid if she's enjoying it.  But I also don't have a problem with people who think there is something amoral about showing up to a set and fucking multiple perfect strangers for a paycheck.   I'm not going to chastise them as though they are judgmental prudes for their feelings about an industry known for degrading women.

I would also quibble that because they are tested, they are protected from diseases -- particularly since they are having unprotected sex with multiple partners.  Not too long ago, there was an HIV scare with the LA porn scene.  So there are definitely occupational hazards in porn.  

Kinda reminds me of the book I read by the road manager of Van Halen.  He worked for them during the David Lee Roth years.  He talked about how young women would "service the roadies orally" for backstage passes.  Long lines would appear outside of a trailer where the ladies would "operate."  He defended it, saying they were 18 and willing so hey what is the harm?  I wondered if he had a daughter in there, on her knees would he feel the same way?

I think Gramma's announcement was all producer driven because I can tell you I can know someone for YEARS and never know their relative was a porn star.  Just say you work in the film business and don't like to talk about work!!

Full disclosure:  A girlfriend and I rented a porn back in, I am gonna guess 1987/88.  (I am a hetero female, we were just curious.)  My boyfriend suggested "Every Girl Has a Fantasy Part Three."  Yes I remember the title, stop judging me!!!!  Of course I was curious:  Will I be able to watch without seeing parts 1 and 2, lol??  My thoughts?  "Do guys really think we want to get in on in with nothing on but four inch red heels and a string of pearls?  Because if they do.....I am in A LOTTA trouble!!!"

[Spike]

54 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

1 hour ago, MajorNelson said:

Note, she does group porn among her varied talents.

I am not 100% sure I know what that is......

The polite way of saying gang bang.

[brillia79]

Not wanting porn as a profession for a hypothetical child I don’t have doesn’t mean I think being a porn actress makes a person amoral. And if others are entitled to think that way about a person, I’m entitled to judge them for it. People can’t judge others while insisting on not being judged themselves. Especially when there is little difference between fucking multiple partners for money vs fucking multiple guys for Gucci. Or a chance to live in the United States.

People are susceptible to STI transmission outside of the adult entertainment industry too. HIV doesn’t care if you’re being filmed and paid or not. And there’s a whole lot more people with it who aren’t porn actors than who are.

I don’t think the porn industry is kind to women. There are ways to address that without calling the actresses amoral sluts. All that does is let me know that objections to porn aren’t really about protecting the women.

[Mrs. Hanson]

4 minutes ago, Spike said:

The polite way of saying gang bang.

As Dean says on Pillow Talk:  "Great!  Now I have to sandpaper my eyes!!!"

[Callaphera]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

The polite way of saying gang bang.

Not necessarily. A threesome doesn't really apply under "gang bang" but would still be considered "group". "Group" can also mean having sex with the same person but surrounded by multiple people, which falls under "orgy" but also "group". "Gang bang" usually involves four or more, typically one receiver and multiple givers - hence the "gang". (Unfortunately, when looking up the definition of "gang bang", the top definition included rape so.)

I watch porn. 

[John M]

30 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Wonder how many people strenuously defending Grandma's profession would want their child becoming a porn star or dating one?

I don't have a problem with non-violent porn.  I don't have a problem with Grandma getting paid if she's enjoying it.  But I also don't have a problem with people who think there is something amoral about showing up to a set and fucking multiple perfect strangers for a paycheck.   I'm not going to chastise them as though they are judgmental prudes for their feelings about an industry known for degrading women.

I would also quibble that because they are tested, they are protected from diseases -- particularly since they are having unprotected sex with multiple partners.  Not too long ago, there was an HIV scare with the LA porn scene.  So there are definitely occupational hazards in porn.  

35 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Wonder how many people strenuously defending Grandma's profession would want their child becoming a porn star or dating one?

I don't have a problem with non-violent porn.  I don't have a problem with Grandma getting paid if she's enjoying it.  But I also don't have a problem with people who think there is something amoral about showing up to a set and fucking multiple perfect strangers for a paycheck.   I'm not going to chastise them as though they are judgmental prudes for their feelings about an industry known for degrading women.

I would also quibble that because they are tested, they are protected from diseases -- particularly since they are having unprotected sex with multiple partners.  Not too long ago, there was an HIV scare with the LA porn scene.  So there are definitely occupational hazards in porn.  

The said "moral" judgement promotes violence and prejudice against people, so there is a major problem there.

And all of us have occupational hazards in our jobs, I have several friends living with HIV, you see the doctor twice a year and pop a pill every day, they are fine besides the people passing moral judgement on their health condition. I'd rather have HIV than high blood pressure.

[DaphneCat]

Re: Robert and Anny.   If you marry a man with kids, it should be a given that their needs come first.  No, Anny shouldn't "suffer" (not have children) because of Robert's children but she SHOULD pay attention.  If he isn't actively supporting those kids there is a really good chance he won't actively support yours either.  Yes, he is supporting Bryson NOW, but would you really trust him to continue to do so?  Or will he stop if something "better" comes along.

Years ago I worked with a second wife who was trying to get pregnant.   Her husband had 2 kids from his previous marriage.  She said her husband stated "That baby is not going to suffer because of those kids" meaning that if there was any belt tightening to be done, it was going to be done by the already existing kids.  I was appalled in that I thought his attitude should have been that his kids weren't going to have to suffer because he had a new baby.  If a man is willing to treat his kids as "less" because he has a shiny new one he will at some point do it to you or your child.  

Edited November 27, 2019 by DaphneCat
Moved a sentence for clarity.

[chickenella]

If Mike won't give Natalie the baby she wants, I hope Bojangles will step up to the plate.

[HunterHunted]

47 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Wonder how many people strenuously defending Grandma's profession would want their child becoming a porn star or dating one?

I don't have a problem with non-violent porn.  I don't have a problem with Grandma getting paid if she's enjoying it.  But I also don't have a problem with people who think there is something amoral about showing up to a set and fucking multiple perfect strangers for a paycheck.   I'm not going to chastise them as though they are judgmental prudes for their feelings about an industry known for degrading women.

I would also quibble that because they are tested, they are protected from diseases -- particularly since they are having unprotected sex with multiple partners.  Not too long ago, there was an HIV scare with the LA porn scene.  So there are definitely occupational hazards in porn.  

I wouldn't want my kid to work in a chicken processing plant either. I grew up in steel and coal country. Those are jobs that lots of parents didn't want their kids to have because they are dangerous and hard on ones body. They might pay well, but parents don't necessarily want to think that their kid has a job where if the kid is killed on the job they'll give you a 1 foot block of steel to bury if you fall into the molten steel.

[sasha206]

23 minutes ago, John M said:

The said "moral" judgement promotes violence and prejudice against people, so there is a major problem there.

And all of us have occupational hazards in our jobs, I have several friends living with HIV, you see the doctor twice a year and pop a pill every day, they are fine besides the people passing moral judgement on their health condition. I'd rather have HIV than high blood pressure.

Response deleted because this argument is getting ridiculous and off topic.

Edited November 27, 2019 by sasha206

[sasha206]

6 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

I wouldn't want my kid to work in a chicken processing plant either. I grew up in steel and coal country. Those are jobs that lots of parents didn't want their kids to have because they are dangerous and hard on ones body. They might pay well, but parents don't necessarily want to think that their kid has a job where if the kid is killed on the job they'll give you a 1 foot block of steel to bury if you fall into the molten steel.

I wouldn't want my daughter working on a skyscraper.  I also wouldn't want her working in porn.  I don't think there is anything wrong with anyone who renders a judgment on chicken processing work, skyscraper work, or porn star work.  

[John M]

14 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Violence?  People on this thread are promoting violence by having a judgment on this?  

And yes, we all have occupational hazards.  And lots of people don't want to get HIV on the job.  Lots of jobs require safety protection for potentially life threatening situations.  Porn doesn't.  

I get that HIV doesn't seem like a big deal to you.  Awesome that your friends aren't feeling the effects and can pop a pill every day to keep it in check.  Hopefully that pill isn't exorbitantly expensive; I've read that it can cost patients $26K and more a year.  So nothing to sneeze at.  Also, people are still dying from HIV-related illnesses. 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190828111249.htm

And yes, I get that we all have occupational hazards.  And we are more likely to get heart conditions, diabetes, etc.  It's just that she works in an industry that frowns on protected sex, and one that promotes multiple partners and having unprotected sex.  So I don't have a problem with people finding this profession unsavory.

The general attitude of passing moral judgement on people's sexual choice does in fact promote violence against those people. As a gay person I know this very well. Porn stars are treated as sexual objects, stalked, denigrated and subjected to mental health issues by people placing extreme judgement on their profession.

As for HIV and that link that you posted:

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Lead study investigator Sobia Nizami, MD, a clinical fellow in infectious diseases at NYU Langone, says it is difficult to assess if this trend is due to HIV-positive people simply living longer, overeating, and adopting the sedentary lifestyles widely seen among non-infected Americans, or if something more worrisome, such as long-term side effects of antiviral medications, are at the root of the problem.

There is in fact evidence that low income people living with HIV actually have better outcomes than people without because access to healthcare is more accessible to them. And there are lots of health conditions that cost $26k or more to treat, aggregately they are much more common than HIV, we don't treat them with such disdain as people living with HIV because they had sex.

And I will just add that there is a greater chance of being murdered by a co-worker/former co-worker in a mass shooting in a white-collar office place than contracting HIV on a porn set, where again, you don't die from it.

Edited November 27, 2019 by John M

[sasha206]

4 minutes ago, John M said:

The general attitude of passing moral judgement on people's sexual choice does in fact promote violence against those people. As a gay person I know this very well. Porn stars are treated as sexual objects, stalked, denigrated and subjected to mental health issues by people placing extreme judgement on their profession.

As for HIV and that link that you posted:

There is in fact evidence that low income people living with HIV actually have better outcomes than people without because access to healthcare is more accessible to them. And there are lots of health conditions that cost $26k or more to treat, aggregately they are much more common than HIV, we don't treat them with such disdain as people living with HIV because they had sex.

And I will just add that there is a greater chance of being murdered by a co-worker/former co-worker in a mass shooting in a white-collar office place than contracting HIV on a porn set, where again, you don't die from it.

Ah, I had actually deleted the text b/c I thought it was getting ridiculous and way off topic.

I hear what you are saying.  I just don't have a problem for those who pass judgment on that profession.  As I said, I would not want my daughter being a porn star.  I doubt there are people that would want their child to be in that profession no matter how supportive they are of porn in general.

[Drogo]

Back to the show. 

[LilaFowler]

TLC is stooping to new lows when casting people and their families for this show... porn stars, really? Such trash. It's not really even entertaining. Robert sucks and would suck even if he weren't some broke-ass Uber driver with kids he doesn't support.

[Gobi]

5 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Full disclosure:  A girlfriend and I rented a porn back in, I am gonna guess 1987/88.  (I am a hetero female, we were just curious.)  My boyfriend suggested "Every Girl Has a Fantasy Part Three."  Yes I remember the title, stop judging me!!!!  Of course I was curious:  Will I be able to watch without seeing parts 1 and 2, lol??  My thoughts?  "Do guys really think we want to get in on in with nothing on but four inch red heels and a string of pearls?  Because if they do.....I am in A LOTTA trouble!!!"

There’s your problem. If you had watched parts 1 & 2, you would have understood the symbolism of the red high heels and the string of pearls.

To greatly simplify, they represent the Manichaean world view expressed in Hegelian terms. The red heels stand for communism artificially raising up the working class at the cost of harming the workers (back pain, etc.) and the danger of sudden overthrow through loss of societal balance. The string of pearls represent the wish to attain a state of holiness (the pearly gates of heaven) by separating the purity of thought and mind (the head has passed through and is above the pearls) from the carnal desires of the body.

There’s more to it than that, of course, but you get the idea.

[DiamondGirl]

I really hope Natalie and Mike work out because they seem to genuinely enjoy each other.  She certainly has stunning eyes.  Her college friend seemed more supportive than her work friend, who seemed to count only the $$$ or her assumption of them.

I can’t express how disappointing this forum becomes with all of the sociological discussion happening.  There are so many other places to engage in that type of topic.

[Takitaki]

1 hour ago, DiamondGirl said:

I really hope Natalie and Mike work out because they seem to genuinely enjoy each other.  She certainly has stunning eyes.  Her college friend seemed more supportive than her work friend, who seemed to count only the $$$ or her assumption of them.

I can’t express how disappointing this forum becomes with all of the sociological discussion happening.  There are so many other places to engage in that type of topic.

I also feel like they genuinely work well together and neither is coming off as an "opportunist" more than the other. I have my fingers crossed for them!

[RoxiP]

Honestly I think of gang bang as more of a violent form of rape than group sex.  

Edited November 27, 2019 by RoxiP

[Spike]

9 hours ago, Callaphera said:

Not necessarily. A threesome doesn't really apply under "gang bang" but would still be considered "group". "Group" can also mean having sex with the same person but surrounded by multiple people, which falls under "orgy" but also "group". "Gang bang" usually involves four or more, typically one receiver and multiple givers - hence the "gang". (Unfortunately, when looking up the definition of "gang bang", the top definition included rape so.)

I watch porn. 

I took one for the team and saw that granny did a vid with three guys (to me that’s a gang lol) with a birthday theme and one with a pirate theme where she interacted with one guy while three others watched.  Research can be exhausting.

[Gobi]

7 minutes ago, Spike said:

I took one for the team and saw that granny did a vid with three guys (to me that’s a gang lol) with a birthday theme and one with a pirate theme where she interacted with one guy while three others watched.  Research can be exhausting.

“Argh, matey, thar she blows!”

[Drogo]

9 minutes ago, Spike said:

a birthday theme and one with a pirate theme

Just now, Gobi said:

“Argh, matey, thar she blows!”

... out the candles? 

[RealReality]

This thread has been a real education.  Thank you all. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by RealReality

[Ki-in]

I cringed when Michael described Juliana as a "resource" for his ex wife.  If I was the ex wife I would have said something about how she won't be a resource or too involved with kids anyway since they live so close to New York where every major modeling agency is located so Juliana will be there most of the time right? Isn't that why Michael said he was bringing her over, to get her into the real modeling world, since she was rejected for work so he brought her over on K-1

I get the feeling that while grandma Diamond might have a liberal profession she gives off "conservative" vibes

How can Tania think it's okay at all to leave Syngyn alone for a month!!!! First of all it's inconsiderate and rude, second he is so sweet and fine but out of sight out of mind. He'll be bored and lonely and prime for another woman setting her sights on him and she'll have a month to make it happen

[OldButHappy]

On 11/25/2019 at 1:48 PM, gavinmac said:

just like fat is worse than thin, short is worse than tall, old is worse than young, poor is worse than rich, chinless is worse than strong chinned

Ha!  That makes me the worst of the worst!

(no worries - I had a great time when I was young and good-lookin'!)

[SnarkEnthusiast]

On 11/25/2019 at 6:56 PM, Apollo said:

They are truly the sweetest, most mature and well-adjusted children!  Their Mom and Dad did an awesome job with them.  I think Julianna is very lucky to get to be around them and doesn't have to deal with bratty children.  I truly hope they do not get hurt in any of this,  His ex-wife seems like a sweetheart too -- so genuine and down to earth.  She seems like she'd make a great friend too.  Wish the family was still together!  

I get the impression he and his ex-wife might still be together if it weren't for his douchey descent into the (supposedly) nouveau riche lifestyle combined with his midlife crisis.

[BallisticNikki]

52 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

How can Tania think it's okay at all to leave Syngyn alone for a month!!!! First of all it's inconsiderate and rude, second he is so sweet and fine but out of sight out of mind. He'll be bored and lonely and prime for another woman setting her sights on him and she'll have a month to make it happen

I would hope by this stage of the game, most ppl can control themselves for a few months without cheating. Am I in the minority here?

[RealReality]

1 minute ago, BallisticNikki said:

I would hope by this stage of the game, most ppl can control themselves for a few months without cheating. Am I in the minority here?

Im sure he has the ability to control himself.....but unless Tania is going to Costa Rica to donate a kidney to the Dali llama or something equally important it is BS to abandon syngin in a country and town he doesn't know for 1/3 of the 90 days.  

Especially if she is pretty much abandoning him in that uninhabitable shed.  I'm gonna be annoyed if I find out she is leaving for some bullshit reason, so I hope it's good. 

[Jel]

I just read the last four pages of this thread -- so much lively discussion! I loved it!

Couple of practical questions at this point:

Do we know for sure that grandma is providing for Bryson financially? i don't remember anything about it, but I may have been too engrossed in Candy Crush level 2600 to have caught it.

And, Grandma also mentioned that she is Bryson's mother figure, but did she also say she saw him once every two weeks? Am I getting that right? That's not a lot of mothering for such a young child, so I would not categorize that as a "mother figure". A womanly or feminine presence, yes. The only consistent woman in his life (if that's the case), sure! But mother figure, no.

And a comment -- the question about birth control is a reasonable question to have, but it's also not an appropriate one to ask on first meeting someone. Boundary crossingly inappropriate, imo.  Better to ask the person you actually know, Robert, than the lady you just met ten minutes ago. It came off as very rude to me. Maybe I'm fancy.